Socialist agenda stalls in the House

[Wyatt earp]

So there might be a few more tries before they get it right. How many times did the right vote to kill healthcare? 50? 60?

What health care?

 

[task0778]

The other problem with Medicare for All is that we don't have enough providers and facilities to deliver decent health care for everybody. If smaller countries with fewer people are having problems with access (and they are), then how can anyone expect to make it work here? The only option for that is rationing, do you want a bureaucrat deciding who gets what treatments?

Are you saying we don't have enough doctors and hospitals, or that they will all quit seeing patients if the country adopts universal healthcare? I don't think so. Around here, a rural area where about everybody is broke, all the doctors and the hospitals and nursing homes accept Medicare/Medicaid or they wouldn't have any patients. If the country adopts universal healthcare, there might be a few doctors who decide to remain outside the system for the wealthy, but that won't be the majority of them. They all have to make a living. That's not to say they'll LIKE it. Hell no, they won't be as rich. I think that's where some of the shortages come from in countries with universal healthcare. The reimbursement is low.

I am saying we do not have enough providers and hospitals as it is now, and making it free would mean that not only the uninsured would now be seeking care but so would a lot of other people who can't afford the premiums, deductibles, and co-pays that they have to pay now. The UE rate is very low right now, but what happens if and when we have another recession or depression and a bunch of people lose their jobs? People are still gonna get sick or injured. So the demand goes way up under a UHC system but the supply doesn't.

I don't see the problem as being that bad in rural areas (maybe), but urban cities and towns of any size are going to have a big problem IMHO. Especially for specialists, and the problem does not diminish over time. How many fewer young people will be going into medical school and incur all that debt in the future when it'll take so long to pay it off due to that low reimbursement.

There are doctors today who limit the number of Medicare/Medicaid patients they see, when I tried to get an appt with my neighbor's dr, I was told he wouldn't be seeing any new M/M patients. So, substantially increasing the number of patients is going to create an access issue. Some doctors (maybe more than a few) will stay out of the UHC system, but others will probably be willing to see that many more patients, and BTW what happens tot he quality of care received?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

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Ambitious proposals to end climate change and provide healthcare for everyone, seen as socialist by Republicans, have failed to win the support of even half of the House Democratic caucus, effectively dooming any chance of floor consideration.


Support appears to have plateaued for both the Green New Deal resolution as well as the Medicare for All national health insurance proposal.

The Green New Deal, introduced Feb. 7 by rising freshman star Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., calls for a complete overhaul of the nation’s housing, transportation, businesses, and agriculture to end carbon emissions and to stave off climate change."

Socialist agenda stalls in the House

Maybe there ARE adults in the Dem ranks.

This is a lie, there is no "socialist agenda."

 

[Dragonlady]

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Ambitious proposals to end climate change and provide healthcare for everyone, seen as socialist by Republicans, have failed to win the support of even half of the House Democratic caucus, effectively dooming any chance of floor consideration.


Support appears to have plateaued for both the Green New Deal resolution as well as the Medicare for All national health insurance proposal.

The Green New Deal, introduced Feb. 7 by rising freshman star Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., calls for a complete overhaul of the nation’s housing, transportation, businesses, and agriculture to end carbon emissions and to stave off climate change."

Socialist agenda stalls in the House

Maybe there ARE adults in the Dem ranks.

I'm wondering how Harris and Booker voted? They are campaigning for the next presidential nomination.

Since none of this stuff has come to the floor of the House for a vote, there are no votes to count.

 

[Ambivalent1]

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Ambitious proposals to end climate change and provide healthcare for everyone, seen as socialist by Republicans, have failed to win the support of even half of the House Democratic caucus, effectively dooming any chance of floor consideration.


Support appears to have plateaued for both the Green New Deal resolution as well as the Medicare for All national health insurance proposal.

The Green New Deal, introduced Feb. 7 by rising freshman star Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., calls for a complete overhaul of the nation’s housing, transportation, businesses, and agriculture to end carbon emissions and to stave off climate change."

Socialist agenda stalls in the House

Maybe there ARE adults in the Dem ranks.

This is a lie, there is no "socialist agenda."

Yawn.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

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The Medicare for All bill, introduced by Rep. Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash., isn’t faring much better.

The bill had 106 co-sponsors when it was introduced on Feb. 27. Two weeks later, no other Democrat has co-sponsored the plan to eliminate all private health insurance and turn the nation’s entire healthcare system over to the government.:

You're a liar, as are most on the right.

 

[Ambivalent1]

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Ambitious proposals to end climate change and provide healthcare for everyone, seen as socialist by Republicans, have failed to win the support of even half of the House Democratic caucus, effectively dooming any chance of floor consideration.


Support appears to have plateaued for both the Green New Deal resolution as well as the Medicare for All national health insurance proposal.

The Green New Deal, introduced Feb. 7 by rising freshman star Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., calls for a complete overhaul of the nation’s housing, transportation, businesses, and agriculture to end carbon emissions and to stave off climate change."

Socialist agenda stalls in the House

Maybe there ARE adults in the Dem ranks.

Did it occur to you that nobody every thought it was going to pass, or even get voted on?

It was a wild pie in the sky kind of thing that never had a chance to become law, the people that wrote it were smart enough to know that. In fact it is almost as if they wrote it that way by design.

Shoo, the big people are talking. Go play with the kids.

That is what I thought, you lack the intelligence to think outside of a party box. Sorry for suggesting you might be able to do so.

go back to parroting the party talking points, it is all you are qualified to do

I'd think by now you'd know better than to engage me. I consistently send you running. You don't even understand what the "real" box is.

 

[Ambivalent1]

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The Medicare for All bill, introduced by Rep. Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash., isn’t faring much better.

The bill had 106 co-sponsors when it was introduced on Feb. 27. Two weeks later, no other Democrat has co-sponsored the plan to eliminate all private health insurance and turn the nation’s entire healthcare system over to the government.:

You're a liar, as are most on the right.

Here, prove the article wrong. Can you?

 

[Kondor3]

...You cannot dictate the pricing of the insurance without controlling the prices all the way up and down the supply chain.

Yes.

That follows.

But it's done a million times in a day in the US already.

An insurance company operating an HMO will pay $X for a hospital stay and $Y for a given procedure and $Z for a supply item.

Seems to me, the itemization (coding) scheme and value-tables already exist; it's a matter of scope-of-application, yes?

 

[Claudette]

Many of the House Democrats recently elected won districts that lean Republican, so they can't afford to jump aboard a radical agenda if they want to see a second term

I agree and it seems they are smart enough not to back crap that would bankrupt the country.

Glad to see it.