Solar power costs 14 times more than a natural gas power plant

[bripat9643]

Now build it in the North.......how much bigger does it have to be to do the same thing.......yeah lets pave the planet in solar panels,,,,great idea

You know what the North has lots of? Wind. Amazing what you can do with that stuff.

You know what coastal areas have? Waves. There's this amazing thing called the ocean, and it produces not only onshore waves, but deep-water tidal power.

Then there's thermal. Ever been to a hot spring? Good stuff.

Only idiots think you can only employ one kind of alternative energy source in a region.

This forum is apparently replete with idiots. I wonder if all the hot air you people generate could be harvested somehow? Bet y'all generate almost as much methane as a city dump. Methane from garbage can be used as fuel.

And why is this in Politics? Is it because the idiot gasbags are ignorant, or because they need to make this a political issue? How long before Rustic posts that photo of his idol for the 4,700th time?

Only idiots think you can totally replace fossil fuels with solar or wind. Both require 100% backup with fossil fuel power because they can both go totally to zero.

With today's technology, yeah.

And of course nothing's ever, ever going to improve.

Must take you an awfully long time to scratch out your posts in longhand.

Even with technology 100 years in the future, gas will still be far far cheaper than solar or wind.

 

[The Great Goose]

Its great for off grid!

This is why conservatives should support it. The technology will get better and cheaper if you do.

Trump can't win. The homo-women and cuckservatives have imported too many mexicans. You have to secede.

 

[bripat9643]

The answer, already in the works, is the gas/solar hybrid plant.

That's just an admission that solar needs a 100% fossil fuel backup.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Right now, alt energy is supplemental at best. I did a cost analysis on outfitting a log house with thermal coils, embedded solar panels, and the costs are becoming smaller. It's still cheaper to tie into electric but the gap is becoming smaller. I'd love to get off the grid.

 

[bripat9643]

Its great for off grid!

This is why conservatives should support it. The technology will get better and cheaper if you do.

Trump can't win. The homo-women and cuckservatives have imported too many mexicans. You have to secede.

The technology will never be cheap enough to replace natural gas.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Now build it in the North.......how much bigger does it have to be to do the same thing.......yeah lets pave the planet in solar panels,,,,great idea

You know what the North has lots of? Wind. Amazing what you can do with that stuff.

You know what coastal areas have? Waves. There's this amazing thing called the ocean, and it produces not only onshore waves, but deep-water tidal power.

Then there's thermal. Ever been to a hot spring? Good stuff.

Only idiots think you can only employ one kind of alternative energy source in a region.

This forum is apparently replete with idiots. I wonder if all the hot air you people generate could be harvested somehow? Bet y'all generate almost as much methane as a city dump. Methane from garbage can be used as fuel.

And why is this in Politics? Is it because the idiot gasbags are ignorant, or because they need to make this a political issue? How long before Rustic posts that photo of his idol for the 4,700th time?

Only idiots think you can totally replace fossil fuels with solar or wind. Both require 100% backup with fossil fuel power because they can both go totally to zero.

With today's technology, yeah.

And of course nothing's ever, ever going to improve.

Must take you an awfully long time to scratch out your posts in longhand.

"Tout ca, c'est du sport!" "L'avion, c'est zero!"

that was the French General Foch, in 1910, mocking the idea of using the airplane to advantage in the military.

 

[whitehall]

It's not only about the expense. It takes a freaking football field of ugly creature killing solar panels to deal with the energy requirements of one family not to mention the expense and the cost of manufacture of the haz-mat filled battery bank that is needed to store the energy when the sun ain't shining.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The answer, already in the works, is the gas/solar hybrid plant.

That's just an admission that solar needs a 100% fossil fuel backup.

Then the end of civilization can be dated to the time fossil fuel is gone.

 

[The Great Goose]

Its great for off grid!

This is why conservatives should support it. The technology will get better and cheaper if you do.

Trump can't win. The homo-women and cuckservatives have imported too many mexicans. You have to secede.

The technology will never be cheap enough to replace natural gas.

Its great for off grid!

This is why conservatives should support it. The technology will get better and cheaper if you do.

Trump can't win. The homo-women and cuckservatives have imported too many mexicans. You have to secede.

The technology will never be cheap enough to replace natural gas.

It is for private solar users.

 

[bripat9643]

Now build it in the North.......how much bigger does it have to be to do the same thing.......yeah lets pave the planet in solar panels,,,,great idea

You know what the North has lots of? Wind. Amazing what you can do with that stuff.

You know what coastal areas have? Waves. There's this amazing thing called the ocean, and it produces not only onshore waves, but deep-water tidal power.

Then there's thermal. Ever been to a hot spring? Good stuff.

Only idiots think you can only employ one kind of alternative energy source in a region.

This forum is apparently replete with idiots. I wonder if all the hot air you people generate could be harvested somehow? Bet y'all generate almost as much methane as a city dump. Methane from garbage can be used as fuel.

And why is this in Politics? Is it because the idiot gasbags are ignorant, or because they need to make this a political issue? How long before Rustic posts that photo of his idol for the 4,700th time?

Only idiots think you can totally replace fossil fuels with solar or wind. Both require 100% backup with fossil fuel power because they can both go totally to zero.

With today's technology, yeah.

And of course nothing's ever, ever going to improve.

Must take you an awfully long time to scratch out your posts in longhand.

"Tout ca, c'est du sport!" "L'avion, c'est zero!"

that was the French General Foch, in 1910, mocking the idea of using the airplane to advantage in the military.

How does solar produce power when the sun isn't shining? How does wind produce power when the wind isn't blowing? Those issues aren't subject to technical advance. They are insurmountable limits.

 

[ogibillm]

And back in the old days, a digital calculator was the size of a suitcase and cost hundreds of dollars.

Once the efficiency reaches 100%, you can't make a solar panel any smaller for a given power output. You also can't reduce the cost of building storage like the kind envisaged in the article, and that's probably the cheapest form of storage there is. Generators are already at almost 100% efficiency.

there is more solar energy reachimg the surface of deserts in six hours than all of humanity uses in a year

 

[bripat9643]

The answer, already in the works, is the gas/solar hybrid plant.

That's just an admission that solar needs a 100% fossil fuel backup.

Then the end of civilization can be dated to the time fossil fuel is gone.

That's true if numskulls like you succeed in outlawing nuclear energy.

 

[bripat9643]

And back in the old days, a digital calculator was the size of a suitcase and cost hundreds of dollars.

Once the efficiency reaches 100%, you can't make a solar panel any smaller for a given power output. You also can't reduce the cost of building storage like the kind envisaged in the article, and that's probably the cheapest form of storage there is. Generators are already at almost 100% efficiency.

there is more solar energy reachimg the surface of deserts in six hours than all of humanity uses in a year

You want to cover every square mile of desert with solar panels? How much do you think that would cost? It would do wonders for the environment, wouldn't it?

Is that really your conception of an ideal world?

 

[NYcarbineer]

And back in the old days, a digital calculator was the size of a suitcase and cost hundreds of dollars.

Once the efficiency reaches 100%, you can't make a solar panel any smaller for a given power output. You also can't reduce the cost of building storage like the kind envisaged in the article, and that's probably the cheapest form of storage there is. Generators are already at almost 100% efficiency.

there is more solar energy reachimg the surface of deserts in six hours than all of humanity uses in a year

As soon the RWnuts perceived solar to be a liberal idea, they suffered one massive knee jerk and now they are programmed to believe it's bad.

 

[NYcarbineer]

And back in the old days, a digital calculator was the size of a suitcase and cost hundreds of dollars.

Once the efficiency reaches 100%, you can't make a solar panel any smaller for a given power output. You also can't reduce the cost of building storage like the kind envisaged in the article, and that's probably the cheapest form of storage there is. Generators are already at almost 100% efficiency.

there is more solar energy reachimg the surface of deserts in six hours than all of humanity uses in a year

You want to cover every square mile of desert with solar panels? How much do you think that would cost? It would do wonders for the environment, wouldn't it?

Is that really your conception of an ideal world?

What happens when you run out of poor neighborhoods to dump the nuclear waste on?

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Anyone who thinks solar power will ever compete economically with fossil fuels should read this article. Those who know better should also read it.

A Solar Power Plant vs. A Natural Gas Power Plant: Capital Cost – Apples to Apples

Conclusion

This back-of-the-envelope analysis suggests that a solar (PV) power plant that could deliver that same results as a gas-fired power plant would cost about 14 times the gas-fired option to build. It is worth noting that the solar option cost excludes any subsidies, investment tax credits, etc, that could narrow the range, but it is obvious from this little exercise that until solar technology improves dramatically, there is little chance that it will replace natural gas as the “go-to” option for new power plants.​

Cost is of no concern, when we are talking saving the planet.

Solar farms simply doesn't have the adequate output to meet with current demand. The largest solar farm resides southwest of Las Vegas at a gross capacity of 392 megawatts, while one nuclear reactor has an output of at least 1000 Megawatts of electricity. For the amount of acreage a solar farm must take up, it's still far from being competitive to be seriously considered as a major supplier of our nation's power.

Ivanpah Solar Power Facility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Peach Bottom Nuclear Generating Station - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[bripat9643]

And back in the old days, a digital calculator was the size of a suitcase and cost hundreds of dollars.

Once the efficiency reaches 100%, you can't make a solar panel any smaller for a given power output. You also can't reduce the cost of building storage like the kind envisaged in the article, and that's probably the cheapest form of storage there is. Generators are already at almost 100% efficiency.

there is more solar energy reachimg the surface of deserts in six hours than all of humanity uses in a year

You want to cover every square mile of desert with solar panels? How much do you think that would cost? It would do wonders for the environment, wouldn't it?

Is that really your conception of an ideal world?

What happens when you run out of poor neighborhoods to dump the nuclear waste on?

Can you name one such neighborhood where they have done that? Don't they build wind mills in poor neighborhoods? They sure don't build then next to Martha's Vineyard.

 

[SwimExpert]

Anyone who thinks solar power will ever compete economically with fossil fuels should read this article. Those who know better should also read it.

A Solar Power Plant vs. A Natural Gas Power Plant: Capital Cost – Apples to Apples

Conclusion

This back-of-the-envelope analysis suggests that a solar (PV) power plant that could deliver that same results as a gas-fired power plant would cost about 14 times the gas-fired option to build. It is worth noting that the solar option cost excludes any subsidies, investment tax credits, etc, that could narrow the range, but it is obvious from this little exercise that until solar technology improves dramatically, there is little chance that it will replace natural gas as the “go-to” option for new power plants.​

There are two glaring flaws here.

1 - The computation is admittedly comparing capital costs. That solar takes more capital is well known. Stating that well known fact does not do anything, other than state a well known fact. Nothing here even bothers to consider the ROI. Sunlight is free, gas is not.

2 - The article focuses exclusively on the premise of replacing one type of power plant with another type of power plant, which does not even reflect the main method of solar implementation. With rare exception, solar isn't increasing through power plants. It's from private businesses and residences putting panels on their roof tops.

 

[Arianrhod]

Now build it in the North.......how much bigger does it have to be to do the same thing.......yeah lets pave the planet in solar panels,,,,great idea

You know what the North has lots of? Wind. Amazing what you can do with that stuff.

You know what coastal areas have? Waves. There's this amazing thing called the ocean, and it produces not only onshore waves, but deep-water tidal power.

Then there's thermal. Ever been to a hot spring? Good stuff.

Only idiots think you can only employ one kind of alternative energy source in a region.

This forum is apparently replete with idiots. I wonder if all the hot air you people generate could be harvested somehow? Bet y'all generate almost as much methane as a city dump. Methane from garbage can be used as fuel.

And why is this in Politics? Is it because the idiot gasbags are ignorant, or because they need to make this a political issue? How long before Rustic posts that photo of his idol for the 4,700th time?

Only idiots think you can totally replace fossil fuels with solar or wind. Both require 100% backup with fossil fuel power because they can both go totally to zero.

With today's technology, yeah.

And of course nothing's ever, ever going to improve.

Must take you an awfully long time to scratch out your posts in longhand.

Even with technology 100 years in the future, gas will still be far far cheaper than solar or wind.

Been to the future, have you?

 

[Arianrhod]

Now build it in the North.......how much bigger does it have to be to do the same thing.......yeah lets pave the planet in solar panels,,,,great idea

You know what the North has lots of? Wind. Amazing what you can do with that stuff.

You know what coastal areas have? Waves. There's this amazing thing called the ocean, and it produces not only onshore waves, but deep-water tidal power.

Then there's thermal. Ever been to a hot spring? Good stuff.

Only idiots think you can only employ one kind of alternative energy source in a region.

This forum is apparently replete with idiots. I wonder if all the hot air you people generate could be harvested somehow? Bet y'all generate almost as much methane as a city dump. Methane from garbage can be used as fuel.

And why is this in Politics? Is it because the idiot gasbags are ignorant, or because they need to make this a political issue? How long before Rustic posts that photo of his idol for the 4,700th time?

Only idiots think you can totally replace fossil fuels with solar or wind. Both require 100% backup with fossil fuel power because they can both go totally to zero.

With today's technology, yeah.

And of course nothing's ever, ever going to improve.

Must take you an awfully long time to scratch out your posts in longhand.

"Tout ca, c'est du sport!" "L'avion, c'est zero!"

that was the French General Foch, in 1910, mocking the idea of using the airplane to advantage in the military.

How does solar produce power when the sun isn't shining? How does wind produce power when the wind isn't blowing? Those issues aren't subject to technical advance. They are insurmountable limits.

There are these amazing things called storage batteries. You should look into them.