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This is actually the most logical argument I have heard from people who are not supporters of homosexuality. Again Xsited, you ever cease to amaze me. However I will interject that there is also evidence that many cases it is a symptom of abuse.
I never said I wasn't a supporter of homosexuality. I am very 'gay friendly'. I simply don't know whether or not it's a disorder. And, yes, there is a large percentage of homosexuals that suffered from physical and/or sexual abuse as children.
I never said I wasn't a supporter of homosexuality. I am very 'gay friendly'. I simply don't know whether or not it's a disorder. And, yes, there is a large percentage of homosexuals that suffered from physical and/or sexual abuse as children.
Sorry Sky Dancer, but while many of your ideals are great you do seem to be trying to play the victim here. Xsited was agreeing with what I had said, which is a fact. However, if it is a fact than all christians who don't like gay men and women are hating the real victim and not the ones who are actually committing the worst sins, it does not however mean that gay marriage is a bad thing, nor was Xsited using it as such evidence.
Southpaw Wrote:
A few questions about your proposed solution. If this plan was put into place...would you advocate the legality of civil union between any two people who were consenting adults?
Therefore, could I be civilly joined with my best friend, a woman who is also heterosexual, simply because I had better health benefits and we both wanted tax breaks?
Could a single adult be civilly joined with an elderly parent to save money on elder care planning?
If not, why not? At this moment, our definition of "civil union" is based on our definition of "marriage." If we are removing the definition of marriage from having anything to do with civil unions (i.e. the state will only recognize civil unions, not marriages) then why would we continue to attach the emotional, spiritual connotations marriage have to civil unions?
Does your plan advocate civil unions between any two consenting adults? Or is it still "marriage" just now "state marriage" with a different name?
Great question !!!!! And how many state marriages can we be in at the same time ?
Speaking of which, not one 'cured' gay has ever really been gay.
No. However, if homosexuality is proven to be a physical and/or psychological disorder, then of course I would want help to be available to them the same way that I would want sufferers from, say, bipolar disorder to have access to treatment if they want it. My posts are only meant to challenge conventional beliefs.
Actually, the US is barely holding the separate bathrooms as well. Most european countries have unisex bathrooms and so does Japan. There are many places in the US now that have unisex group bathrooms as well.
Yep. You could do that now with your best friend if she was a guy. You don't have to have sex or be in love (romance) to get married now so why then?
Incest? I'm not down with that. That whole inbreeding thing.
It's my argument that civil unions should be nothing more than the legally recognized union of two people to give them tax benefits and such, typically associated with raising a family. However, the 14th says you can't discriminate against gays and we give those same benefits to infertile couples anyway so a line shouldn't be drawn, so to speak.
According to whom? YOU?
Are you in the 'gays have a disorder that can be cured' camp? Never mind, I see that you are.
IOW, you have no proof of your claim.
Didn't you just say gays have a neurological disorder like autism?
"I personally, think being gay is a neurobiological disorder for many, and possibly just a mental thing for some." Againsheila
Would you mind telling me which post you are responding to? Xsited says that many homosexuals were abused as children. One can truthfully say the same about heterosexuals, which is what I did.
Xsited believes that homosexuality may be a disorder that can be cured. I disagree.
I said "I personally" I don't have to provide proof when I say "I personally".
You said that homosexuals that have been "cured" were never homosexual to begin with, I asked you to prove your claim. Instead you attack me.
And I also said neurobiological which is not the same as neurological. Believe it or not Autism is neurobiological in that there is a PHYSICAL difference in the brain. It would be interesting to see if there is a PHYSICAL difference in the brain of a homosexual or bisexual vs a heterosexual. Of course no such study will be done because people like you want it to be "normal" and claim anyone that questions that is a bigot.
I said "I personally" I don't have to provide proof when I say "I personally".
You said that homosexuals that have been "cured" were never homosexual to begin with, I asked you to prove your claim. Instead you attack me.
And I also said neurobiological which is not the same as neurological. Believe it or not Autism is neurobiological in that there is a PHYSICAL difference in the brain. It would be interesting to see if there is a PHYSICAL difference in the brain of a homosexual or bisexual vs a heterosexual. Of course no such study will be done because people like you want it to be "normal" and claim anyone that questions that is a bigot.
Go back and read the post. It's not an attack on YOU. I posted your own words, which I challenge. That's called discussion or debate.
You confuse me with another poster who said that any homosexuals who had been 'cured' were never homosexual to begin with. KittenKoder said that, I did not.
The APA does not consider homosexuality a disorder. We are as 'normal' as you are. I am not calling you a bigot. Get your facts straight.\
I stand corrected on your choice of the term 'neurobiological disorder'. Did you pull that one out of your hat?
The simple answer to why they have never been gay, because if it was a disease they wouldn't seek help unless it caused pain and suffering, and the only pain and suffering gay men and women receive is from people who treat them like shit. But we are taught (because this is still a great nation) that what other people think is not how one should live their lives, so the real gay men and women just find others who do not treat them badly. Those who say they are and get 'cured' are cured with non-scientific crap, so there is no logical way they could have ever been gay.
IOW, you have nothing to back up your claim.
