Somali Terror Group Calls for Attack on Mall of America

I will take that as a YES ANSWER. The Quiz will appear in just a few minutes.

I'm not particularly interested in your quiz. I'd be happy to pursue a public formal / moderated discussion though through which we engage in more nuanced and sourced dialogue.
You mean you're too chicken to take the quiz. Nobody likes to find out how much they don't know. But when you do, you're the better for it. That's when your Islamization education begins.

PS - every item in the quiz is sourced.

That's fine, given your language though I'm not sure that I'd find your sources particularly informative / robust; one reason why I'd gladly discuss them openly both regarding content and methodology. You can use your facts from your quiz within such a setting so I'm not sure why you are tentative about it.
 
Every store manger in that mall should be heavily armed, and ready to shoot. If hat were the case, the terrorists would never get out alive, and be free to repeat or celebrate.

Armed shopkeepers everywhere would be great for sales.
Of course. Giving shoppers the confidence they're not sitting ducks for the terrorists.

And you want to remind them of that while they are shopping? :lol:
Only if they need to be reminded, (which they shouldn't have to be)

Do we have heavily armed ushers in movie theatres because of possible copycat Colorado James Holmes shooters? Would you want that while watching a movie or shopping too?
 
Much less than white christian males.
You got a source link to prove that ?
You got a source link to disprove that?
I asked you first. And I take your non answer as a NO answer. You don't have a source link, do you ? You actually don't know how many jihadists have killed what number of people in the US, or how many White, Christian males have done that. My guess is you have NO CLUE.
Dont care you asked me first. I take your inability to answer as a given judging by my previous encounters with you.
YOU are the one who was unable to answer. I have plenty to show you to support what I know about jihad in America over the past 14 years, and I will do that forthcoming. But to do that immediately, would be letting you off the hook. I'm not going to let that happen. You made a statement, and when challenged to back it up, you fell flat on your face. Like I said, you have NO CLUE about what you said, and I just exposed you.
So that means you have no links disproving my statement?
 
When the terrorists come, let's just give them jobs at Orange Julius and stuff !


Mocking the DOS spokeswoman for the comment only really demonstrates a lack of experience in conflict resolution. Jobs, stability, and the introduction of economic based opportunity costs have always been a vital part of reducing violence. It's conflict 101.
Of course that's not true. In 1938 Germany had a very stable economy and was growing and prosperous. Japan had no serioys unemployment problem. It didn’t stop the formation of destructive ideologies.
"In 1938 Germany had a very stable economy and was growing and prosperous."

In 1938, Germany had been under the control of a criminal conspiracy called the Nazis for five years, and was seven years away from complete ruin.
 
When the terrorists come, let's just give them jobs at Orange Julius and stuff !


Mocking the DOS spokeswoman for the comment only really demonstrates a lack of experience in conflict resolution. Jobs, stability, and the introduction of economic based opportunity costs have always been a vital part of reducing violence. It's conflict 101.
Of course that's not true. In 1938 Germany had a very stable economy and was growing and prosperous. Japan had no serioys unemployment problem. It didn’t stop the formation of destructive ideologies.
"In 1938 Germany had a very stable economy and was growing and prosperous."

In 1938, Germany had been under the control of a criminal conspiracy called the Nazis for five years, and was seven years away from complete ruin.
Then you admit that jobs and economic stability has nothing to do with the insanity that leads to war.
 
Then you admit that jobs and economic stability has nothing to do with the insanity that leads to war.

Fascism found furtive ground in Germany for a number of interlaced reasons; one of them was economic instability.
None of them was economic instability.

Reading a book, or taking a general history class on the subject might be beneficial for you.
I'm not responsible for your lack of education.

Hitler restructured the economy after WWI. He refused to pay the reparations awarded to France in the Treaty of Versailles and opened Germany to investment. International bankers like Prescott Bush were quick to jump on the German economic engine.

Germany was very economically stable or it could not have funded the kind of war it waged.

I know Germans who lived in prewar Germany. It was a boom time. Had Hitler not been a madman Germany would have been the number one economy for decades. The US would never have become a world leader.
 
Hitler restructured the economy after WWI. He refused to pay the reparations awarded to France in the Treaty of Versailles and opened Germany to investment. International bankers like Prescott Bush were quick to jump on the German economic engine.

I am inclined to point out the fact that the rise of Fascism in Germany corresponded with the rise of Hitler. Saying Hitler improved the economy is essentially admitting that the economy was bad prior to him utilizing fascism to come into power. Come on, the Great Depression isn't some sort of secret. Are you really going to pretend that it didn't exist?
 
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I will take that as a YES ANSWER. The Quiz will appear in just a few minutes.

I'm not particularly interested in your quiz. I'd be happy to pursue a public formal / moderated discussion though through which we engage in more nuanced and sourced dialogue.
You mean you're too chicken to take the quiz. Nobody likes to find out how much they don't know. But when you do, you're the better for it. That's when your Islamization education begins.

PS - every item in the quiz is sourced.

That's fine, given your language though I'm not sure that I'd find your sources particularly informative / robust; one reason why I'd gladly discuss them openly both regarding content and methodology. You can use your facts from your quiz within such a setting so I'm not sure why you are tentative about it.
"Tentative" ? Me ? Not hardly. I don't even know what you're talking about. "Tentative" about what ?

Also, playing the INVALIDATION CARD does not raise your credibility. It lowers it. The sources of the items in my quiz range from the US Justice Dept to Muslim Brotherhood operatives themselves, to FBI agents, to everything and everyone. You won't get anywhere using invalidation as an excuse.

Here's the Quiz. Identify all the names and what the association with Islamization is. Then identify all the things and how they are associated. No fake answers now. I know who/what all of these are. Every single one. And don't feel bad if you don't do too well. No Islamapologist ever got more than 5% on this quiz. Most got zero.

Names associated with Stealth Jihad (AKA Islamization)

Ibin Taamiyah, the Madhi, Sheik Ahmed Yassin, Sami al-Arian, Ramadan Abdallah Shallah, Mazen al-Najjar, Richard A. Clarke, Imam Muzzamil Siddiqui, Susan Douglas, Peter DiGangi, William Bennetta, Gilbert Sewall , Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, al-Hajj Talib'Abur, Rashid Sahmsi Ali, Khalid Latif, Omar Mohammedi, Joe Kaufman, Chantal Carnes, Hasan al-Banna (creator of the Muslim Brotherhood-I'll give you that one), Tariq Ramadan, Siraj Wahhaj, Mozen Mokhtar, Nouman Ali Khan, Abdul Malik , Imam Jamal Badawi, Br. Jawad Ahmad, Hassan Abbas, Mullah Abdul Rashid Ghazi, Sheik Mjed 'Abd al-Rahman al-Firian, Prince Sultan Ibn Abd al-'Aziz, Ali al-Ahmed, Itamar Marcus, Barbara Cook, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, Mohammed Osman Idris, Mohammed el-Yacoubi, Abu Abdullah, Baitullah Mehsud, Yunis al-Astal, Zeyno Baran, Aaron Klein, Muhammad Abdel-El, Sheik Yasser Hamad, Nur Mohammad, Ahmed Yassin (deceased), Sheik Abdel Rahman, Sheik Mohammed bin Rashid AL Maktoum, NJ Judge Joseph Charles, Abdullah Azzam, Thomas Klocek, Fazlur Rehman Khalil , Mohammad Elachmi Hamdi, Bat Ye'or, Max Steenberghe, Anders Fogh Ramussen, Paul Jeeves, Yusuf al-Qarodawi, Bashar al-Assad, Robert S. Leiken, Theo Van Gogh, Michel Gurfinkel, Imam Ahmed Salam, Piet Hein Donner, Miguel Angel Toma , Salah Yassin, Hassan Nasrallah, Ahmed Assad Barakat, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Bashar al-Assad, Adolpho Aguilar Zinser, Joseph Farah, Nabil al-Marabh, Raed Hijazi, David Harris, Syed Mumtaz Ali, Omar Ahmad, Ibrahim Hooper, Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani, Dr. Paul Williams , Hassan al Turabi, Clement Rodney Hampton-El, Kevin James, Warner MacKenzie, Sayeed Abdul A'la Maududi, Abdullah Yusef Ali, Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall, Nessim Joseph Dawood, Mohammed Habib Shakir, Arthur John Arberry, Aqsa Parvez, Atefeh Rajabi, Francis Bok, Michael Coren, Homaidan Ali Al-Turki, Sheik Saleh Al-Fawzan, Paul Marshall, Koenraad Elst, Tom Clancy, Phil Alden Robinson, Michael Graham, Thomas Klocek, Stephen Coughlin, Hasham Islam, Steven Emerson, Mordechai Nisan, Abduraman Alamoudi, Ramadan Abdallah Shallah, Musa Abu Marzook, Keith Ellison, Abdullah al-Arian, ,Jamal-al-Din al-Afghani, James Woolsey, Walid Phares, Guy Rodgers, Brigitte Gabriel, Robert Spencer, Paul Sperry, P.David Gaubatz, Chris Gaubatz, Stefanie Creswell, Charety Zhe, Adnan el-Shukrijumah, Jaffar the Pilot, Mohammad Weiss Rasool, Brian P. Fairchild, Peter M. Leitner, Sergeant Naveed I. Butt, Bill Bratton, William Taylor, Youssef Aboul-Enein, Jamal Barzinji, Ingrid Mattson, Safaa Zarzour, Khalid Iqbal, James "Yousef" Yee, Ahmed Alwani, Taja Alwani, Warith Deen Umar, Tom Harrington, John Guandolo, Patrick Sookhdeo, Gaddoor Saidi, Muhammad Usmani, Mahdi Bray, Ali al-Timimi, Maulana Abdul Ala Maududi, Sayyid Quth, Zaid Shakir, Hamdan al-Shalawi, Muhammed al-Qudhaieen, Omar Shain, Hani Hanjour, Kenneth Williams, Edward Sloan, Ismail Elbarasse, Sheik Omar Abdul-Rahman, George Sadler, Mohammed Akram Adlouni, Zeid al-Noman, Shukri Aby Baker, Mohammad El-Mezain, Ghassan Elashi, Sayyid Syeed, Bassem Osman, Ahmed Elkadi, Mahboob Khan, Suhail Khan, Mufid Abdulgader, Abdelhaleem Ashqar, Frank Gaffney, Sue Myrick, Abuhena Saifulislam, Ali "the American" Mohamed, Juan Zarate, Hisham Altalib, Mohammed Shamma, Ahmad Sakr, Abdullah bin Laden, Mohamed Jamal Khalifah, Ahmad Mohamed Ali, Joey Musmar, Lina Morales, Donald Lavey, Sibel Dinez Edmonds, Khalid Duran, Muhammad Hishm Kabbani, Ali Ahmed, Agha Jafri, Michael Rolince, John M. Cole, Dr. Ziad Asali, James Margolin, Foria Younis, John B. Vincent, John O'Neill, Ivien C. Smith, Salam al-Marayati, Tom Reynolds, Khaled Saffuri, Agha Saeed, Mohammed al-Hanooti, Sue VanBaalen, Sister Sue, Michael Scheuer, Michael Waller, David Forte, Sheikh Mamza Yusuf, Ihsan Bagby, Abd al-Rahman al-Rashed, Serge Trifkovic, Irshad Manji, Imam Mohamad Adam el-Sheikh, Yvonne Haddad, Warith Deen Umar, Taha al-Alwani, Ali al-Timimi, J.M. Rodwell, Dr. Ali Sina, John Esposito, Karen Armstrong, Saad al-Sharani, Suleiman Alwan, Farid Esack, Sheikh Faysal Mawlawi, Ali Abd al Rahman al-Faqasi al-Ghamdi, Saul al-Rashid, Abderraouf Jdey, Faruq al-Tunisi, Adam Gadahn, Andre Carson, Issa al-Britani, Aafia Siddiqui, Kamran Akhtar, Gary Harter, Iyman Faris, Hesham Hadayet, Hala Mohammed Sadeq El-Awadly, Anwar al-Awlaki, Pamela L. Rhames, Michael S. Tutko, David C. Kane, Nick Pindulic, Suzanne E. Spaulding, Sen. Patrick Leahy, Sen. John Kyl, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, Sen. Paul Sarbanes, Bill Baker, Rep. David Bonior, Rep. John Conyers, Rep. John Dingell, Robert M. Blitzer, Louis Freeh, Thomas Pickard, Carol Motyka, Marsha Parrish, Yola Haber, Doug Balin, Rep. Anthony Weiner, Roderick L. Beverly, Caroline Glick, Shelomo Alfassa, Hadia Roberts, Margaret Gulotta, Emanuel "Manny" Johnson Jr., Esther Pan

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Hijra, jizyah, Istanbul, Al-Quds, Al-Aqsa mosque, , treaty of Al-Hudaybiyah, Oslo Accords, the Mahdi, Al-Ansar, 2006 Pentagon report : "Motivations of Muslim Suicide Bombers" ), McDonalds, KFC, Pizza Hut, Outback Steakhouse, the Explanatory Memorandum,"The Project", the Muslim Brotherhood, the Ikhwan, Taqiyya, Da'wa, Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), Holy Land Foundation trials - 2007 & 2008, Khalil Gibran Academy, US Treasury Dept. (Office of Foreign Asset Control), Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), Muslim American Society (MSA), United States Counterinsurgency Manual FM 3-24, US Justice Dept. report - 2004, US Justice Dept. report - 2007, abeds, North American Islamic Trust, Islamic Council for North America, United Association for Studies and Research, Muslim American Youth Association, the Hamas Charter, Islamic Academy of Florida, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, American Youth Academy, New Horizons Schools, Islamic American University, DawaNet-to link • to serve: Home with sections entitled "How to Make America an Islamic Nation" and Da'wa in Public Schools, Excelsior Elementary School, Thomas Moore Law Center, Islamic Saudi Academy, "The Islam Project" by the Council on Islamic Education, the Arab World History Notebook, "Across the Centuries", California Academy of Sciences, "World Cultures : A Global Mosaic", American Textbook Council, "Islam and the Textbooks", Arab American Family Support Center (AAFSC), Mosque of Islamic Brotherhood's Boy Scout program (MIB), Americans Against Hate, CAIR Watch, the Young Muslims, Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), Jamaat-e-Islami, the EEOC, Dunkin Donuts, Alamo Rent-a-car, Washington DC Fire Dept., the YMCA, Target, Canadian Federation of Students, Ontario Human Rights Commission, Young Muslim Sisters (YMS), Middle East Media Research Institute, US Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF), Freedom House, Institute for Gulf Affairs, Palestinian Media Watch, "Contemporary Problems", "History of the Arabs and the World in the 20th Century", Reading and Text Part II, Association of Independent Schools, ISA accreditation, Center for Religious Freedom, Hizb ut-Tahrir al-Islami, Islamic Party of Liberation, Al-Aksa TV of Hamas, Hudson institute, DePaul University, Popular Resistance Committee, "Schmoozing With Terrorists", US House of Representitives, Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, "Eurabia, the Euro-Arab Axis", European Union, the Arab League,"Foreign Affairs" - "Europe's Angry Muslims", Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), Sharee Council of Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, Immigration and National Security Program at the Nixon Center, Sukuk, Sharia compliant banks, Saxony-Anhalt, piggy banks in England, foot washing basins (Kansas City Airport, University of Michigan-Dearborn, Indianapolis, Phoenix Sky harbor,), "Britain's Daily Mail" - "Multiculturalsim Drives Young Muslims to Shun British Values", May 22, 1991, Nationa Intelligence Council, www.islamonline.net, "Valeurs Actuelles", the triple border region, UN Security Council, House Homeland Security Committee subcommittee on investigations report : "A Line In the Sand: Confronting the Threat At the Southwest Border", OTMs, Jamaat ul-Fuqra, Muslims of the Americas, the FBI, Canadian Security Intelligence Service, "TD Monthly", halal chicken, ACLU, the Date Frappuccino, New York University, Boston Univ., Temple Univ. George Washington Univ., Ridgeland School District 122, Syracuse Univ., Atlanta public schools, Carver Elementary School-San Diego, Open Society Foundation, Whiting Foundation, hijab, Transportation & Safety Admin. (TSA), "New Media Journal" report - "In the Belly of the Beast: Jamaat ul-Fuqra, Jamaat ul-Fuqra mosque (Brooklyn, NY), Koran: 4:34, honor killings, the Alec file, Jamiyyat Ul-Islam, It's the Ideology Stupid,Tad-ru-bu-hu-nna, Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, UN Children's Fund, the Population Council - 2003 survey, m'uta, Haratines, Janjaweed, Dinka tribe, "Escape From Slavery", Toronto Sun online - "Slavery Lives in the Sudan", Middle East Forum - "The Problem with Slavery",
 
You got a source link to prove that ?
You got a source link to disprove that?
I asked you first. And I take your non answer as a NO answer. You don't have a source link, do you ? You actually don't know how many jihadists have killed what number of people in the US, or how many White, Christian males have done that. My guess is you have NO CLUE.
Dont care you asked me first. I take your inability to answer as a given judging by my previous encounters with you.
YOU are the one who was unable to answer. I have plenty to show you to support what I know about jihad in America over the past 14 years, and I will do that forthcoming. But to do that immediately, would be letting you off the hook. I'm not going to let that happen. You made a statement, and when challenged to back it up, you fell flat on your face. Like I said, you have NO CLUE about what you said, and I just exposed you.
So that means you have no links disproving my statement?
You made a statement and failed to back it up. You had no source, no basis. I don't have to do anything. YOU are the one who brought this idea up. It's your baby. You sink or swim with it. Except you've already sunk.
 
Every store manger in that mall should be heavily armed, and ready to shoot. If hat were the case, the terrorists would never get out alive, and be free to repeat or celebrate.

Armed shopkeepers everywhere would be great for sales.
Of course. Giving shoppers the confidence they're not sitting ducks for the terrorists.

And you want to remind them of that while they are shopping? :lol:
Only if they need to be reminded, (which they shouldn't have to be)

Do we have heavily armed ushers in movie theatres because of possible copycat Colorado James Holmes shooters? Would you want that while watching a movie or shopping too?
Movie theaters have no justification for existence.

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I will take that as a YES ANSWER. The Quiz will appear in just a few minutes.

I'm not particularly interested in your quiz. I'd be happy to pursue a public formal / moderated discussion though through which we engage in more nuanced and sourced dialogue.
You mean you're too chicken to take the quiz. Nobody likes to find out how much they don't know. But when you do, you're the better for it. That's when your Islamization education begins.

PS - every item in the quiz is sourced.

That's fine, given your language though I'm not sure that I'd find your sources particularly informative / robust; one reason why I'd gladly discuss them openly both regarding content and methodology. You can use your facts from your quiz within such a setting so I'm not sure why you are tentative about it.
"Tentative" ? Me ? Not hardly. I don't even know what you're talking about. "Tentative" about what ?

Also, playing the INVALIDATION CARD does not raise your credibility. It lowers it. The sources of the items in my quiz range from the US Justice Dept to Muslim Brotherhood operatives themselves, to FBI agents, to everything and everyone. You won't get anywhere using invalidation as an excuse.

Here's the Quiz. Identify all the names and what the association with Islamization is. Then identify all the things and how they are associated. No fake answers now. I know who/what all of these are. Every single one. And don't feel bad if you don't do too well. No Islamapologist ever got more than 5% on this quiz. Most got zero.

Names associated with Stealth Jihad (AKA Islamization)

Ibin Taamiyah, the Madhi, Sheik Ahmed Yassin, Sami al-Arian, Ramadan Abdallah Shallah, Mazen al-Najjar, Richard A. Clarke, Imam Muzzamil Siddiqui, Susan Douglas, Peter DiGangi, William Bennetta, Gilbert Sewall , Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, al-Hajj Talib'Abur, Rashid Sahmsi Ali, Khalid Latif, Omar Mohammedi, Joe Kaufman, Chantal Carnes, Hasan al-Banna (creator of the Muslim Brotherhood-I'll give you that one), Tariq Ramadan, Siraj Wahhaj, Mozen Mokhtar, Nouman Ali Khan, Abdul Malik , Imam Jamal Badawi, Br. Jawad Ahmad, Hassan Abbas, Mullah Abdul Rashid Ghazi, Sheik Mjed 'Abd al-Rahman al-Firian, Prince Sultan Ibn Abd al-'Aziz, Ali al-Ahmed, Itamar Marcus, Barbara Cook, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, Mohammed Osman Idris, Mohammed el-Yacoubi, Abu Abdullah, Baitullah Mehsud, Yunis al-Astal, Zeyno Baran, Aaron Klein, Muhammad Abdel-El, Sheik Yasser Hamad, Nur Mohammad, Ahmed Yassin (deceased), Sheik Abdel Rahman, Sheik Mohammed bin Rashid AL Maktoum, NJ Judge Joseph Charles, Abdullah Azzam, Thomas Klocek, Fazlur Rehman Khalil , Mohammad Elachmi Hamdi, Bat Ye'or, Max Steenberghe, Anders Fogh Ramussen, Paul Jeeves, Yusuf al-Qarodawi, Bashar al-Assad, Robert S. Leiken, Theo Van Gogh, Michel Gurfinkel, Imam Ahmed Salam, Piet Hein Donner, Miguel Angel Toma , Salah Yassin, Hassan Nasrallah, Ahmed Assad Barakat, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Bashar al-Assad, Adolpho Aguilar Zinser, Joseph Farah, Nabil al-Marabh, Raed Hijazi, David Harris, Syed Mumtaz Ali, Omar Ahmad, Ibrahim Hooper, Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani, Dr. Paul Williams , Hassan al Turabi, Clement Rodney Hampton-El, Kevin James, Warner MacKenzie, Sayeed Abdul A'la Maududi, Abdullah Yusef Ali, Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall, Nessim Joseph Dawood, Mohammed Habib Shakir, Arthur John Arberry, Aqsa Parvez, Atefeh Rajabi, Francis Bok, Michael Coren, Homaidan Ali Al-Turki, Sheik Saleh Al-Fawzan, Paul Marshall, Koenraad Elst, Tom Clancy, Phil Alden Robinson, Michael Graham, Thomas Klocek, Stephen Coughlin, Hasham Islam, Steven Emerson, Mordechai Nisan, Abduraman Alamoudi, Ramadan Abdallah Shallah, Musa Abu Marzook, Keith Ellison, Abdullah al-Arian, ,Jamal-al-Din al-Afghani, James Woolsey, Walid Phares, Guy Rodgers, Brigitte Gabriel, Robert Spencer, Paul Sperry, P.David Gaubatz, Chris Gaubatz, Stefanie Creswell, Charety Zhe, Adnan el-Shukrijumah, Jaffar the Pilot, Mohammad Weiss Rasool, Brian P. Fairchild, Peter M. Leitner, Sergeant Naveed I. Butt, Bill Bratton, William Taylor, Youssef Aboul-Enein, Jamal Barzinji, Ingrid Mattson, Safaa Zarzour, Khalid Iqbal, James "Yousef" Yee, Ahmed Alwani, Taja Alwani, Warith Deen Umar, Tom Harrington, John Guandolo, Patrick Sookhdeo, Gaddoor Saidi, Muhammad Usmani, Mahdi Bray, Ali al-Timimi, Maulana Abdul Ala Maududi, Sayyid Quth, Zaid Shakir, Hamdan al-Shalawi, Muhammed al-Qudhaieen, Omar Shain, Hani Hanjour, Kenneth Williams, Edward Sloan, Ismail Elbarasse, Sheik Omar Abdul-Rahman, George Sadler, Mohammed Akram Adlouni, Zeid al-Noman, Shukri Aby Baker, Mohammad El-Mezain, Ghassan Elashi, Sayyid Syeed, Bassem Osman, Ahmed Elkadi, Mahboob Khan, Suhail Khan, Mufid Abdulgader, Abdelhaleem Ashqar, Frank Gaffney, Sue Myrick, Abuhena Saifulislam, Ali "the American" Mohamed, Juan Zarate, Hisham Altalib, Mohammed Shamma, Ahmad Sakr, Abdullah bin Laden, Mohamed Jamal Khalifah, Ahmad Mohamed Ali, Joey Musmar, Lina Morales, Donald Lavey, Sibel Dinez Edmonds, Khalid Duran, Muhammad Hishm Kabbani, Ali Ahmed, Agha Jafri, Michael Rolince, John M. Cole, Dr. Ziad Asali, James Margolin, Foria Younis, John B. Vincent, John O'Neill, Ivien C. Smith, Salam al-Marayati, Tom Reynolds, Khaled Saffuri, Agha Saeed, Mohammed al-Hanooti, Sue VanBaalen, Sister Sue, Michael Scheuer, Michael Waller, David Forte, Sheikh Mamza Yusuf, Ihsan Bagby, Abd al-Rahman al-Rashed, Serge Trifkovic, Irshad Manji, Imam Mohamad Adam el-Sheikh, Yvonne Haddad, Warith Deen Umar, Taha al-Alwani, Ali al-Timimi, J.M. Rodwell, Dr. Ali Sina, John Esposito, Karen Armstrong, Saad al-Sharani, Suleiman Alwan, Farid Esack, Sheikh Faysal Mawlawi, Ali Abd al Rahman al-Faqasi al-Ghamdi, Saul al-Rashid, Abderraouf Jdey, Faruq al-Tunisi, Adam Gadahn, Andre Carson, Issa al-Britani, Aafia Siddiqui, Kamran Akhtar, Gary Harter, Iyman Faris, Hesham Hadayet, Hala Mohammed Sadeq El-Awadly, Anwar al-Awlaki, Pamela L. Rhames, Michael S. Tutko, David C. Kane, Nick Pindulic, Suzanne E. Spaulding, Sen. Patrick Leahy, Sen. John Kyl, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, Sen. Paul Sarbanes, Bill Baker, Rep. David Bonior, Rep. John Conyers, Rep. John Dingell, Robert M. Blitzer, Louis Freeh, Thomas Pickard, Carol Motyka, Marsha Parrish, Yola Haber, Doug Balin, Rep. Anthony Weiner, Roderick L. Beverly, Caroline Glick, Shelomo Alfassa, Hadia Roberts, Margaret Gulotta, Emanuel "Manny" Johnson Jr., Esther Pan

Things associated with Stealth Jihad (AKA Islamization) 

Hijra, jizyah, Istanbul, Al-Quds, Al-Aqsa mosque, , treaty of Al-Hudaybiyah, Oslo Accords, the Mahdi, Al-Ansar, 2006 Pentagon report : "Motivations of Muslim Suicide Bombers" ), McDonalds, KFC, Pizza Hut, Outback Steakhouse, the Explanatory Memorandum,"The Project", the Muslim Brotherhood, the Ikhwan, Taqiyya, Da'wa, Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), Holy Land Foundation trials - 2007 & 2008, Khalil Gibran Academy, US Treasury Dept. (Office of Foreign Asset Control), Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), Muslim American Society (MSA), United States Counterinsurgency Manual FM 3-24, US Justice Dept. report - 2004, US Justice Dept. report - 2007, abeds, North American Islamic Trust, Islamic Council for North America, United Association for Studies and Research, Muslim American Youth Association, the Hamas Charter, Islamic Academy of Florida, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, American Youth Academy, New Horizons Schools, Islamic American University, DawaNet-to link • to serve: Home with sections entitled "How to Make America an Islamic Nation" and Da'wa in Public Schools, Excelsior Elementary School, Thomas Moore Law Center, Islamic Saudi Academy, "The Islam Project" by the Council on Islamic Education, the Arab World History Notebook, "Across the Centuries", California Academy of Sciences, "World Cultures : A Global Mosaic", American Textbook Council, "Islam and the Textbooks", Arab American Family Support Center (AAFSC), Mosque of Islamic Brotherhood's Boy Scout program (MIB), Americans Against Hate, CAIR Watch, the Young Muslims, Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), Jamaat-e-Islami, the EEOC, Dunkin Donuts, Alamo Rent-a-car, Washington DC Fire Dept., the YMCA, Target, Canadian Federation of Students, Ontario Human Rights Commission, Young Muslim Sisters (YMS), Middle East Media Research Institute, US Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF), Freedom House, Institute for Gulf Affairs, Palestinian Media Watch, "Contemporary Problems", "History of the Arabs and the World in the 20th Century", Reading and Text Part II, Association of Independent Schools, ISA accreditation, Center for Religious Freedom, Hizb ut-Tahrir al-Islami, Islamic Party of Liberation, Al-Aksa TV of Hamas, Hudson institute, DePaul University, Popular Resistance Committee, "Schmoozing With Terrorists", US House of Representitives, Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, "Eurabia, the Euro-Arab Axis", European Union, the Arab League,"Foreign Affairs" - "Europe's Angry Muslims", Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), Sharee Council of Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, Immigration and National Security Program at the Nixon Center, Sukuk, Sharia compliant banks, Saxony-Anhalt, piggy banks in England, foot washing basins (Kansas City Airport, University of Michigan-Dearborn, Indianapolis, Phoenix Sky harbor,), "Britain's Daily Mail" - "Multiculturalsim Drives Young Muslims to Shun British Values", May 22, 1991, Nationa Intelligence Council, www.islamonline.net, "Valeurs Actuelles", the triple border region, UN Security Council, House Homeland Security Committee subcommittee on investigations report : "A Line In the Sand: Confronting the Threat At the Southwest Border", OTMs, Jamaat ul-Fuqra, Muslims of the Americas, the FBI, Canadian Security Intelligence Service, "TD Monthly", halal chicken, ACLU, the Date Frappuccino, New York University, Boston Univ., Temple Univ. George Washington Univ., Ridgeland School District 122, Syracuse Univ., Atlanta public schools, Carver Elementary School-San Diego, Open Society Foundation, Whiting Foundation, hijab, Transportation & Safety Admin. (TSA), "New Media Journal" report - "In the Belly of the Beast: Jamaat ul-Fuqra, Jamaat ul-Fuqra mosque (Brooklyn, NY), Koran: 4:34, honor killings, the Alec file, Jamiyyat Ul-Islam, It's the Ideology Stupid,Tad-ru-bu-hu-nna, Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, UN Children's Fund, the Population Council - 2003 survey, m'uta, Haratines, Janjaweed, Dinka tribe, "Escape From Slavery", Toronto Sun online - "Slavery Lives in the Sudan", Middle East Forum - "The Problem with Slavery",

Lol so your quiz is to tell me to write dozens of pages of material identifying a set of chosen vocabulary? I would be happy to discuss any of these topics with you in detail; i'm not sure what value your quiz has outside of you being able to attempt to make yourself look impressive; though most of these are pretty basic subjects. Like the Treaty of Hudaybiyah as part of stealth Jihad? There was nothing stealthy about it at all. The Muslims were winning the war against Mecca at that time, no stealth was needed if a military victory was the goal. In fact, Muhammad nearly lost the support of some of his closest followers by agreeing o the treaty. And then you have incredibly vague "key words" such as al-ansar. Am I suppose to comment on its general meaning as followers? Am I supposed to associate it with the Sudanese religious movement? am I suppose to associate it with the GIA Islamist newsletter from the 90s? Am I supposed to associate it with one of a half dozen specific groups and militias like Ansaru in Nigeria?

Let me know when you actually want to talk about any of these subjects.
 
I will take that as a YES ANSWER. The Quiz will appear in just a few minutes.

I'm not particularly interested in your quiz. I'd be happy to pursue a public formal / moderated discussion though through which we engage in more nuanced and sourced dialogue.
You mean you're too chicken to take the quiz. Nobody likes to find out how much they don't know. But when you do, you're the better for it. That's when your Islamization education begins.

PS - every item in the quiz is sourced.

That's fine, given your language though I'm not sure that I'd find your sources particularly informative / robust; one reason why I'd gladly discuss them openly both regarding content and methodology. You can use your facts from your quiz within such a setting so I'm not sure why you are tentative about it.
"Tentative" ? Me ? Not hardly. I don't even know what you're talking about. "Tentative" about what ?

Also, playing the INVALIDATION CARD does not raise your credibility. It lowers it. The sources of the items in my quiz range from the US Justice Dept to Muslim Brotherhood operatives themselves, to FBI agents, to everything and everyone. You won't get anywhere using invalidation as an excuse.

Here's the Quiz. Identify all the names and what the association with Islamization is. Then identify all the things and how they are associated. No fake answers now. I know who/what all of these are. Every single one. And don't feel bad if you don't do too well. No Islamapologist ever got more than 5% on this quiz. Most got zero.

Names associated with Stealth Jihad (AKA Islamization)

Ibin Taamiyah, the Madhi, Sheik Ahmed Yassin, Sami al-Arian, Ramadan Abdallah Shallah, Mazen al-Najjar, Richard A. Clarke, Imam Muzzamil Siddiqui, Susan Douglas, Peter DiGangi, William Bennetta, Gilbert Sewall , Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, al-Hajj Talib'Abur, Rashid Sahmsi Ali, Khalid Latif, Omar Mohammedi, Joe Kaufman, Chantal Carnes, Hasan al-Banna (creator of the Muslim Brotherhood-I'll give you that one), Tariq Ramadan, Siraj Wahhaj, Mozen Mokhtar, Nouman Ali Khan, Abdul Malik , Imam Jamal Badawi, Br. Jawad Ahmad, Hassan Abbas, Mullah Abdul Rashid Ghazi, Sheik Mjed 'Abd al-Rahman al-Firian, Prince Sultan Ibn Abd al-'Aziz, Ali al-Ahmed, Itamar Marcus, Barbara Cook, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, Mohammed Osman Idris, Mohammed el-Yacoubi, Abu Abdullah, Baitullah Mehsud, Yunis al-Astal, Zeyno Baran, Aaron Klein, Muhammad Abdel-El, Sheik Yasser Hamad, Nur Mohammad, Ahmed Yassin (deceased), Sheik Abdel Rahman, Sheik Mohammed bin Rashid AL Maktoum, NJ Judge Joseph Charles, Abdullah Azzam, Thomas Klocek, Fazlur Rehman Khalil , Mohammad Elachmi Hamdi, Bat Ye'or, Max Steenberghe, Anders Fogh Ramussen, Paul Jeeves, Yusuf al-Qarodawi, Bashar al-Assad, Robert S. Leiken, Theo Van Gogh, Michel Gurfinkel, Imam Ahmed Salam, Piet Hein Donner, Miguel Angel Toma , Salah Yassin, Hassan Nasrallah, Ahmed Assad Barakat, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Bashar al-Assad, Adolpho Aguilar Zinser, Joseph Farah, Nabil al-Marabh, Raed Hijazi, David Harris, Syed Mumtaz Ali, Omar Ahmad, Ibrahim Hooper, Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani, Dr. Paul Williams , Hassan al Turabi, Clement Rodney Hampton-El, Kevin James, Warner MacKenzie, Sayeed Abdul A'la Maududi, Abdullah Yusef Ali, Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall, Nessim Joseph Dawood, Mohammed Habib Shakir, Arthur John Arberry, Aqsa Parvez, Atefeh Rajabi, Francis Bok, Michael Coren, Homaidan Ali Al-Turki, Sheik Saleh Al-Fawzan, Paul Marshall, Koenraad Elst, Tom Clancy, Phil Alden Robinson, Michael Graham, Thomas Klocek, Stephen Coughlin, Hasham Islam, Steven Emerson, Mordechai Nisan, Abduraman Alamoudi, Ramadan Abdallah Shallah, Musa Abu Marzook, Keith Ellison, Abdullah al-Arian, ,Jamal-al-Din al-Afghani, James Woolsey, Walid Phares, Guy Rodgers, Brigitte Gabriel, Robert Spencer, Paul Sperry, P.David Gaubatz, Chris Gaubatz, Stefanie Creswell, Charety Zhe, Adnan el-Shukrijumah, Jaffar the Pilot, Mohammad Weiss Rasool, Brian P. Fairchild, Peter M. Leitner, Sergeant Naveed I. Butt, Bill Bratton, William Taylor, Youssef Aboul-Enein, Jamal Barzinji, Ingrid Mattson, Safaa Zarzour, Khalid Iqbal, James "Yousef" Yee, Ahmed Alwani, Taja Alwani, Warith Deen Umar, Tom Harrington, John Guandolo, Patrick Sookhdeo, Gaddoor Saidi, Muhammad Usmani, Mahdi Bray, Ali al-Timimi, Maulana Abdul Ala Maududi, Sayyid Quth, Zaid Shakir, Hamdan al-Shalawi, Muhammed al-Qudhaieen, Omar Shain, Hani Hanjour, Kenneth Williams, Edward Sloan, Ismail Elbarasse, Sheik Omar Abdul-Rahman, George Sadler, Mohammed Akram Adlouni, Zeid al-Noman, Shukri Aby Baker, Mohammad El-Mezain, Ghassan Elashi, Sayyid Syeed, Bassem Osman, Ahmed Elkadi, Mahboob Khan, Suhail Khan, Mufid Abdulgader, Abdelhaleem Ashqar, Frank Gaffney, Sue Myrick, Abuhena Saifulislam, Ali "the American" Mohamed, Juan Zarate, Hisham Altalib, Mohammed Shamma, Ahmad Sakr, Abdullah bin Laden, Mohamed Jamal Khalifah, Ahmad Mohamed Ali, Joey Musmar, Lina Morales, Donald Lavey, Sibel Dinez Edmonds, Khalid Duran, Muhammad Hishm Kabbani, Ali Ahmed, Agha Jafri, Michael Rolince, John M. Cole, Dr. Ziad Asali, James Margolin, Foria Younis, John B. Vincent, John O'Neill, Ivien C. Smith, Salam al-Marayati, Tom Reynolds, Khaled Saffuri, Agha Saeed, Mohammed al-Hanooti, Sue VanBaalen, Sister Sue, Michael Scheuer, Michael Waller, David Forte, Sheikh Mamza Yusuf, Ihsan Bagby, Abd al-Rahman al-Rashed, Serge Trifkovic, Irshad Manji, Imam Mohamad Adam el-Sheikh, Yvonne Haddad, Warith Deen Umar, Taha al-Alwani, Ali al-Timimi, J.M. Rodwell, Dr. Ali Sina, John Esposito, Karen Armstrong, Saad al-Sharani, Suleiman Alwan, Farid Esack, Sheikh Faysal Mawlawi, Ali Abd al Rahman al-Faqasi al-Ghamdi, Saul al-Rashid, Abderraouf Jdey, Faruq al-Tunisi, Adam Gadahn, Andre Carson, Issa al-Britani, Aafia Siddiqui, Kamran Akhtar, Gary Harter, Iyman Faris, Hesham Hadayet, Hala Mohammed Sadeq El-Awadly, Anwar al-Awlaki, Pamela L. Rhames, Michael S. Tutko, David C. Kane, Nick Pindulic, Suzanne E. Spaulding, Sen. Patrick Leahy, Sen. John Kyl, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, Sen. Paul Sarbanes, Bill Baker, Rep. David Bonior, Rep. John Conyers, Rep. John Dingell, Robert M. Blitzer, Louis Freeh, Thomas Pickard, Carol Motyka, Marsha Parrish, Yola Haber, Doug Balin, Rep. Anthony Weiner, Roderick L. Beverly, Caroline Glick, Shelomo Alfassa, Hadia Roberts, Margaret Gulotta, Emanuel "Manny" Johnson Jr., Esther Pan

Things associated with Stealth Jihad (AKA Islamization) 

Hijra, jizyah, Istanbul, Al-Quds, Al-Aqsa mosque, , treaty of Al-Hudaybiyah, Oslo Accords, the Mahdi, Al-Ansar, 2006 Pentagon report : "Motivations of Muslim Suicide Bombers" ), McDonalds, KFC, Pizza Hut, Outback Steakhouse, the Explanatory Memorandum,"The Project", the Muslim Brotherhood, the Ikhwan, Taqiyya, Da'wa, Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), Holy Land Foundation trials - 2007 & 2008, Khalil Gibran Academy, US Treasury Dept. (Office of Foreign Asset Control), Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), Muslim American Society (MSA), United States Counterinsurgency Manual FM 3-24, US Justice Dept. report - 2004, US Justice Dept. report - 2007, abeds, North American Islamic Trust, Islamic Council for North America, United Association for Studies and Research, Muslim American Youth Association, the Hamas Charter, Islamic Academy of Florida, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, American Youth Academy, New Horizons Schools, Islamic American University, DawaNet-to link • to serve: Home with sections entitled "How to Make America an Islamic Nation" and Da'wa in Public Schools, Excelsior Elementary School, Thomas Moore Law Center, Islamic Saudi Academy, "The Islam Project" by the Council on Islamic Education, the Arab World History Notebook, "Across the Centuries", California Academy of Sciences, "World Cultures : A Global Mosaic", American Textbook Council, "Islam and the Textbooks", Arab American Family Support Center (AAFSC), Mosque of Islamic Brotherhood's Boy Scout program (MIB), Americans Against Hate, CAIR Watch, the Young Muslims, Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), Jamaat-e-Islami, the EEOC, Dunkin Donuts, Alamo Rent-a-car, Washington DC Fire Dept., the YMCA, Target, Canadian Federation of Students, Ontario Human Rights Commission, Young Muslim Sisters (YMS), Middle East Media Research Institute, US Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF), Freedom House, Institute for Gulf Affairs, Palestinian Media Watch, "Contemporary Problems", "History of the Arabs and the World in the 20th Century", Reading and Text Part II, Association of Independent Schools, ISA accreditation, Center for Religious Freedom, Hizb ut-Tahrir al-Islami, Islamic Party of Liberation, Al-Aksa TV of Hamas, Hudson institute, DePaul University, Popular Resistance Committee, "Schmoozing With Terrorists", US House of Representitives, Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, "Eurabia, the Euro-Arab Axis", European Union, the Arab League,"Foreign Affairs" - "Europe's Angry Muslims", Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), Sharee Council of Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, Immigration and National Security Program at the Nixon Center, Sukuk, Sharia compliant banks, Saxony-Anhalt, piggy banks in England, foot washing basins (Kansas City Airport, University of Michigan-Dearborn, Indianapolis, Phoenix Sky harbor,), "Britain's Daily Mail" - "Multiculturalsim Drives Young Muslims to Shun British Values", May 22, 1991, Nationa Intelligence Council, www.islamonline.net, "Valeurs Actuelles", the triple border region, UN Security Council, House Homeland Security Committee subcommittee on investigations report : "A Line In the Sand: Confronting the Threat At the Southwest Border", OTMs, Jamaat ul-Fuqra, Muslims of the Americas, the FBI, Canadian Security Intelligence Service, "TD Monthly", halal chicken, ACLU, the Date Frappuccino, New York University, Boston Univ., Temple Univ. George Washington Univ., Ridgeland School District 122, Syracuse Univ., Atlanta public schools, Carver Elementary School-San Diego, Open Society Foundation, Whiting Foundation, hijab, Transportation & Safety Admin. (TSA), "New Media Journal" report - "In the Belly of the Beast: Jamaat ul-Fuqra, Jamaat ul-Fuqra mosque (Brooklyn, NY), Koran: 4:34, honor killings, the Alec file, Jamiyyat Ul-Islam, It's the Ideology Stupid,Tad-ru-bu-hu-nna, Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, UN Children's Fund, the Population Council - 2003 survey, m'uta, Haratines, Janjaweed, Dinka tribe, "Escape From Slavery", Toronto Sun online - "Slavery Lives in the Sudan", Middle East Forum - "The Problem with Slavery",

Lol so your quiz is to tell me to write dozens of pages of material identifying a set of chosen vocabulary? I would be happy to discuss any of these topics with you in detail; i'm not sure what value your quiz has outside of you being able to attempt to make yourself look impressive; though most of these are pretty basic subjects. Like the Treaty of Hudaybiyah as part of stealth Jihad? There was nothing stealthy about it at all. The Muslims were winning the war against Mecca at that time, no stealth was needed if a military victory was the goal. In fact, Muhammad nearly lost the support of some of his closest followers by agreeing o the treaty. And then you have incredibly vague "key words" such as al-ansar. Am I suppose to comment on its general meaning as followers? Am I supposed to associate it with the Sudanese religious movement? am I suppose to associate it with the GIA Islamist newsletter from the 90s? Am I supposed to associate it with one of a half dozen specific groups and militias like Ansaru in Nigeria?

Let me know when you actually want to talk about any of these subjects.
What you're supposed to do is identify the names/things and their association with Islamization. If you were as well read as you claimed to be, a few posts ago, you could be zipping through these one after another, instead of whining excuses as to why you can't take the quiz. So far, you're about on the zero level. Quite a few Islamaoplogists didn't make excuses, took this quiz, and got about a couple of dozen right (and they hadn't claimed to have read a lot of books)
 
Not to mention Ideological and clandestine heavyweights that you have left off your names list. I don't see Al Qaeda's security chief and confidential secretary / head of east African operations who was killed by Al Shabaab on there. I don't see key groups on there like the Haqqani Network, I don't see heavy ideologues like abu Hamza or abu Qatada. I see people like the blind sheik on there, but not even more important hitters like Sayyid Qutb.

/edit you don't even have Khalid Sheikh Mohammed on there.
 
When the terrorists come, let's just give them jobs at Orange Julius and stuff !


Mocking the DOS spokeswoman for the comment only really demonstrates a lack of experience in conflict resolution. Jobs, stability, and the introduction of economic based opportunity costs have always been a vital part of reducing violence. It's conflict 101.
Of course that's not true. In 1938 Germany had a very stable economy and was growing and prosperous. Japan had no serioys unemployment problem. It didn’t stop the formation of destructive ideologies.
"In 1938 Germany had a very stable economy and was growing and prosperous."

In 1938, Germany had been under the control of a criminal conspiracy called the Nazis for five years, and was seven years away from complete ruin.
Then you admit that jobs and economic stability has nothing to do with the insanity that leads to war.
Where were you educated? Economic stability often is the catalyst for wars.
 
What you're supposed to do is identify the names/things and their association with Islamization. If you were as well read as you claimed to be, a few posts ago, you could be zipping through these one after another, instead of whining excuses as to why you can't take the quiz. So far, you're about on the zero level. Quite a few Islamaoplogists didn't make excuses, took this quiz, and got about a couple of dozen right (and they hadn't claimed to have read a lot of books)

The simple fact that you think that al-Ansar is one single thing isn't very encouraging.
 
You got a source link to disprove that?
I asked you first. And I take your non answer as a NO answer. You don't have a source link, do you ? You actually don't know how many jihadists have killed what number of people in the US, or how many White, Christian males have done that. My guess is you have NO CLUE.
Dont care you asked me first. I take your inability to answer as a given judging by my previous encounters with you.
YOU are the one who was unable to answer. I have plenty to show you to support what I know about jihad in America over the past 14 years, and I will do that forthcoming. But to do that immediately, would be letting you off the hook. I'm not going to let that happen. You made a statement, and when challenged to back it up, you fell flat on your face. Like I said, you have NO CLUE about what you said, and I just exposed you.
So that means you have no links disproving my statement?
You made a statement and failed to back it up. You had no source, no basis. I don't have to do anything. YOU are the one who brought this idea up. It's your baby. You sink or swim with it. Except you've already sunk.
You made a statement and failed to back it up. You have to prove your assertion or admit you have nothing but innuendo.
 
Not to mention Ideological and clandestine heavyweights that you have left off your names list. I don't see Al Qaeda's security chief and confidential secretary / head of east African operations who was killed by Al Shabaab on there. I don't see key groups on there like the Haqqani Network, I don't see heavy ideologues like abu Hamza or abu Qatada. I see people like the blind sheik on there, but not even more important hitters like Sayyid Qutb.
Swift deflection. Mention anything but your inability to identify who/what IS in the Quiz. Sure there's many items that could be added. I never said this was supposed to be ALL of Islamization. This Quiz was made up about 3 years ago. Since then, many new names have popped up.

Fact is, I could give you about 5 more Quizzes similar to this one, without repeating a single name/thing. Although I sense your ego is hurting a bit right now, I also sense you're beginning to discover how much you don't know.

Islamization is taboo on liberal media. They don't report it. I've never heard the name Lina Morales, for instance on MSNBC. A few years ago, when it was news (on Conservative media), I heard her name 100 times. Do you know who she is ?
 

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