Some liberals STILL think govt can have some say in who can own a gun

[Contumacious]

your point?

Bottom line: no one was ever convicted of using automatic weapons at waco.

Unfortunately, the motherfucker is correct.


Even though the right to bear arms does NOT depend on the Constitution for its existence SCOTUS continues to slowly eliminate the right. The narcotized populace refuses to take action to reverse those rulings.

.

JAIME CASTILLO, et al., PETITIONERS v.
UNITED STATES
ON WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE FIFTH CIRCUIT
[June 5, 2000]

Justice Breyer delivered the opinion of the Court.*1

In this case we once again decide whether words in a federal criminal statute create offense elements (determined by a jury) or sentencing factors (determined by a judge). See Jones v. United States, 526 U.S. 227(1999); Almendarez-Torres v. United States, 523 U.S. 224 (1998). The statute in question, 18 U.S.C. § 924(c) (1988 ed., Supp. V), prohibits the use or carrying of a “firearm” in relation to a crime of violence, and increases the penalty dramatically when the weapon used or carried is, for example, a “machinegun.” We conclude that the statute uses the word “machinegun” (and similar words) to state an element of a separate offense.

He's not correct about the case. He thinks it proves that automatic weapons were used at Waco. It proved nothing of the sort. The court overruled the FBI.

SCOTUS did rule that Castillo was guilty of the offense even though there was no evidence that Castillo actually used the machine gun.


.

In other words, there was no evidence that automatic weapons were used. Daws101 claimed the case proved that automatic weapons were used.

No, there wasn't.

.

 

[Contumacious]

FEDERAL LAW AND MACHINE GUNS

Federal law defines a machine gun as “any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.” This definition includes the frame or receiver, any part or combination of parts designed and intended, solely and exclusively, for use in converting a weapon into a machine gun, and any combination of parts from which a machine gun can be assembled (26 USC § 5845(b), 27 CFR §§ 478.11 & 479.11). It does not include “antique firearms” (26 USC § 5845(a) & (g)).

Since 1934, Congress has strictly regulated the manufacture, transfer, and possession of machine guns. The firearms are regulated by the 1934 National Firearms Act (NFA) (26 USC § 5801 et seq.) and the 1968 Gun Control Act as amended by the 1986 Firearms Owners' Protection Act (18 USC § 921 et seq.).

There are NOT supposed to be federal Laws regulating machine guns.

Those laws will remain in the books and enforced as long as Americans remain narcotized.


.

How fun, you think like me a child. Adults have common sense instead.

There are NOT supposed to be federal Laws regulating machine guns.

Those laws will remain in the books and enforced as long as Americans remain narcotized.


Some day Americans will wake the fuck up and realize that SCOTUS is populated by scumbags who believe their job is to aggrandize the federal government by any means necessary.


.

Maybe they're too busy living their lives, trying to get ahead in the rat race and basically try and scrape out enought money to make a life to worry about some minor triviality in the minutea of second ammendment and federal law allignment?

Sad but true.


Yes, indeed, Americans are too busy working to pay for the gargantuan welfare/warfare police state.

But meanwhile the bastards in DC are taking advantage - look how well AVOWED SOCIALIST Comrade Bernard Sanders has done .


.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The FBI never backed up its claim that the Davidians had illegal weapons.

Yes, they did. And some of the surviving Davidians were convicted for possessing and using them.

Castillo v. United States

Comrade Jake, did you even read the case you cited?

{
No. In a unanimous opinion delivered by Justice Stephen G. Breyer, the Court held that "Section 924(c)(1) uses the word "machinegun" (and similar words) to state an element of a separate, aggravated crime." Therefore, the federal law that subjects anyone who carries a machine gun during a violent crime to an additional 30 years in prison states an element of an offense that must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury rather than determined by a judge by a preponderance of the evidence as are sentencing factors. Justice Breyer wrote for the Court that "our consideration of Section 924(c)(1)'s language, structure, context, history and such factors that typically help courts determine a statute's objectives leads us to conclude that the relevant words create a separate substantive crime."

}

The SCOTUS ruled against you of the anti-liberty left.

 

[Manchester]

FEDERAL LAW AND MACHINE GUNS

Federal law defines a machine gun as “any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.” This definition includes the frame or receiver, any part or combination of parts designed and intended, solely and exclusively, for use in converting a weapon into a machine gun, and any combination of parts from which a machine gun can be assembled (26 USC § 5845(b), 27 CFR §§ 478.11 & 479.11). It does not include “antique firearms” (26 USC § 5845(a) & (g)).

Since 1934, Congress has strictly regulated the manufacture, transfer, and possession of machine guns. The firearms are regulated by the 1934 National Firearms Act (NFA) (26 USC § 5801 et seq.) and the 1968 Gun Control Act as amended by the 1986 Firearms Owners' Protection Act (18 USC § 921 et seq.).

There are NOT supposed to be federal Laws regulating machine guns.

Those laws will remain in the books and enforced as long as Americans remain narcotized.


.

How fun, you think like me a child. Adults have common sense instead.

There are NOT supposed to be federal Laws regulating machine guns.

Those laws will remain in the books and enforced as long as Americans remain narcotized.


Some day Americans will wake the fuck up and realize that SCOTUS is populated by scumbags who believe their job is to aggrandize the federal government by any means necessary.


.

Maybe they're too busy living their lives, trying to get ahead in the rat race and basically try and scrape out enought money to make a life to worry about some minor triviality in the minutea of second ammendment and federal law allignment?

Sad but true.


Yes, indeed, Americans are too busy working to pay for the gargantuan welfare/warfare police state.

But meanwhile the bastards in DC are taking advantage - look how well AVOWED SOCIALIST Comrade Bernard Sanders has done .


.

Yep,but then I don't suppose the richest 1% having as much as the poorest 90% helps either.

 

[daws101]

bitch please! the branch Davidians brought that on themselves
it does showcase the point that armed citizens do stupid things

Yo dingle berry

what the fuck did the Davidians do to cause the federal government to terrorize them and then incinerate them alive?

.

WEAPONS RECOVERED FROM THE BRANCH DAVIDIAN COMPOUND: TREASURY SUMMARY OF REPORT PREPARED BY THE FBI FOR PROSECUTORS AND THE ILLEGAL WEAPONS RECOVERED
Machine Guns
The FBI determined that 46 semiautomatic firearms had been modified to fire in full automatic mode:
22 M-16 Type Rifles
20 AK-47 Type Rifles
2 Heckler and Koch SP-89
2 M-11/Nine
The FBI also determined that two AR-15 lower receivers had been modified to fire in full automatic mode.
Silencers
21 Sound suppressors or silencers
Hand Grenades
4 Live M-21 Practice Hand Grenades
The possession of lawfully manufactured machineguns, silencers, or grenades requires the owner to register the weapon with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms. None of the compound's residents were registered to own such a weapon, therefore it would have been illegal for them to possess these weapons.
WEAPONS RECOVERED FROM THE BRANCH DAVIDIAN COMPOUND: TREASURY SUMMARY OF REPORT PREPARED BY THE FBI FOR PROSECUTORS AND THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
TOTAL WEAPONS RECOVERED
(Including Weapons Mentioned on Previous Page)

FIREARMS
Rifles and Rifle Components
61 M-16 Type and 2 M-16 Lower Receivers
61 AK-47 Type
34 AR-15 Type and 2 AR-15 Lower Receivers
13 Shotguns -- 12 gauge
11 7.62MM FN FAL Type
10 Mini-14 Type
7 37mm. Flare Gun/Launcher Type
6 .30 Carbine Calber US Carbine, Model M1
6 Assorted Rifles
5 M-11/Nine
5 M-14 Type
3 Galil
2 Heckler and Koch SP-89
1 Air Rifle
1 Heckler and Koch MP-5
1 Sten submachine gun
Pistols and Revolvers
23 Beretta
13 Glock
8 Assorted Revolvers
6 Safari Arms
6 Assorted Pistols
5 Sig Sauer
5 Walther
2 Taurus

EXPLOSIVES
Hand Grenades
4 Live M-21 Practice Hand Grenades
100+ Modified M-21 Practice Hand Grenade bodies; the bodies of these had been threaded and plugged but lacked a main charge or fusing system.
11 M-69 Practice Hand Grenades; the bodies of these grenades exhibited indications of attempted modifications.
219 Grenade Safety Pins
243 Grenade Safety Levers
Rifle Grenades
200+ Inert M31 Practice Rifle Grenades.

FIREARMS ACCESSORIES AND PARTS
Silencers
21 Sound suppressors and silencers.
Flash Suppressors
18 Flash Suppressors.
Firearms Barrels
17 M-16/AR-15 Type (5.56 mm)
8 M-16/AR-15 Type (9mm caliber)
3 M-16/AR-15 Type (.45 ACP caliber)
1 M-16/AR-15 Type (5.56 mm)
2 Ruger. 22 Caliber
1 M-60 machine gun
1 12 Gauge Shotgun
1 Taurus, Model 92, 9mm pistol barrel
1 Sig Sauer 9mm pistol barrel
Pistol Slides
1 Sig Sauer Model
Revolver Parts
1 .38 Special caliber cylinder
Bolt Carriers
39 M-16
24 AR-15
2 MP-5
2 AK-47
1 FAL
1 Unknown
Bolts
15 AK-47
7 .22 LR conversion
3 M-16/AR-15
1 FN FAL (1)
Bolt Assemblies
3 M-11/Nine
2 M-16
1 AR-15
1 MAC-10
1 Shotgun
Recoil Springs and Guides
3 Glock
2 Sig Sauer
1 Beretta
1 M-11/Nine
Stripper Clips
29 Stripper Clips
Accessories
6 .22 LR Caliber Conversion Kits
Hammers
31 AK-47
18 M-16
12 AR-15
4 M-11/Nine
2 Sig Sauer
1 Beretta
Hammer Springs
3 AK-47
Buffer/Recoil Springs
36 M-16/AR-15
4 AK-47
Selector Switches
9 M-16
3 AR-15
1 Unknown
Sears
1 M-11/Nine
Auto Sears
8 AK-47
4 M-16
1 FN FAL
Auto Sear Springs
12 AK-47
Disconnects
7 AK-47
1 M-16
Trigger/Trigger Mechanisms/Trigger Housings
17 M-16
6 AR-15
3 M-60
3 M-11/Nine
2 MP-5
2 Sten
1 AK-47
1 Heckler & Koch
1 M-14
1 Smith & Wesson
1 Beretta
1 Shotgun
Ammunition Magazines
289 7.62 x 39mm AK-47 Type
248 .223/5.56 mm M-16/AR-15 Type
108 Sten Gun Type
88 .308 Caliber FN FAL Type
72 M-14 Type
61 Beretta Model Type 92
58 .308 Caliber of Unkown Type
28 Ruger Mini-14 Type
22 .22 Caliber
17 UZI Type
16 USAS-12 Type
13 .45 Caliber
11 Glock
11 MP-5
11 Sig Sauer P226/P228
9 Unknown Type
7 .308 Caliber Galil Type
6 Walther PPK
5 9mm Unknown Type
4 .50 Caliber
3 .30 Caliber U.S. Carbine
3 .380 Auto Caliber
2 9mm Smith & Wesson
1 AK-74 Type
1 Grendel
Ammunition Containers
220 Metal Boxes (Various Calibers)
15 Wooden Boxes (Various Calibers)
4 Buckets (Various Calibers)
1 Cardboard Boxes (Various Calibers)
Magazine Springs
360 M-16/AR-15
42 FN FAL .308 Caliber Type
35 AK-47
28 9mm Magazine Springs of Unknown Type
15 Unknown
10 M-14
6 M-1 Carbine
3 .50 Caliber
1 Mini-14 Magazine
1 Glock
These lists do not include dozens of other items recovered from the Compound such as dust covers, extractors, front and rear sights, gun cleaning equipment, bolt release levers, compensators, .50 caliber belt links and numerous other parts.


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Cum swallower , please.

Let me remind you that after the gestapo incinerated alive the Davidians Consequently, Mount Carmel became a crime scene. Nevertheless, the FBI showed up at 4 am with bulldozers to sanitize the crime scene.

So, You have NO EVIDENCE that the items you itemized actually came from the Davidians.

But do I need to remind you that fedgov has NO AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER to regulate firearms N O N E.

So it doesn't fucking matter what the Davidians had in their compound.

Secondly, the Davidians had a FEDERAL LICENSE to sell firearms.

So shut the fuck up.


.

another drooling crapspiracy theorist ... cum swallower ? shutting up is not an option....

Another gullible motherfucker who thrives under tyrannical rules.

.

You couldn't be more wrong . Ignorant too.
My guess is you weren't born when that happened or you've been ignorant for a very long time.

 

[daws101]

Yes, they did. And some of the surviving Davidians were convicted for possessing and using them.

Castillo v. United States

The Supreme Court ruled against the FBI in that case, numskull.

They did not refute the Davidians had "machine guns". This was established at trial. What was refuted was that it was not proven in a trial by jury they had USED them during the siege.

Which Constitutional (1787) proviso allows fedgov to regulate machine guns?

Guns weren't even mentioned, either way then.

They don;t have to be mentioned --- we are FREE PEOPLE, neither are the right to take a shit, take a piss, or fuck, Read the ninth Amendment.


.

Wrong again.

 

[daws101]

They did not refute the Davidians had "machine guns". This was established at trial.

Because the law added an extra 25 years if you used a "machine gun" during a crime, the Supreme Court considered that an additional crime which had to be proven to the jury, in addition to the crime itself.

The judge sentenced them to the mandatory minimum of 30 years after they were convicted of the crime by the jury, adding that extra 25 because they had used machine guns. The Supremes said that was not allowed since the clause in the law made the "machine guns" a separate crime for which they had to also be found guilty by the jury.

In other words, Castillo got off on a technicality.

The court ruled against the FBI. They weren't allowed to add another 25 years because they had to prove in a separate trial that the defendant had used a machine gun. They didn't even bother to produce any evidence to that effect in the trial.

your point?

Bottom line: no one was ever convicted of using automatic weapons at waco.

Unfortunately, the motherfucker is correct.


Even though the right to bear arms does NOT depend on the Constitution for its existence SCOTUS continues to slowly eliminate the right. The narcotized populace refuses to take action to reverse those rulings.

.

JAIME CASTILLO, et al., PETITIONERS v.
UNITED STATES
ON WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE FIFTH CIRCUIT
[June 5, 2000]

Justice Breyer delivered the opinion of the Court.*1

In this case we once again decide whether words in a federal criminal statute create offense elements (determined by a jury) or sentencing factors (determined by a judge). See Jones v. United States, 526 U.S. 227(1999); Almendarez-Torres v. United States, 523 U.S. 224 (1998). The statute in question, 18 U.S.C. § 924(c) (1988 ed., Supp. V), prohibits the use or carrying of a “firearm” in relation to a crime of violence, and increases the penalty dramatically when the weapon used or carried is, for example, a “machinegun.” We conclude that the statute uses the word “machinegun” (and similar words) to state an element of a separate offense.

He's not correct about the case. He thinks it proves that automatic weapons were used at Waco. It proved nothing of the sort. The court overruled the FBI.

False! mind reading is one of the countless skills you don't possess.

 

[Rustic]

man chokes on food, dies ...

and?

Political correctness Blames everybody but the person that choked and died

 

[bendog]

McConnell should have taken the guy from Nevada and said "Thank you, Mr President" ..... even if it'd nearly have killed him.

 

[daws101]

your point?

Bottom line: no one was ever convicted of using automatic weapons at waco.

Unfortunately, the motherfucker is correct.


Even though the right to bear arms does NOT depend on the Constitution for its existence SCOTUS continues to slowly eliminate the right. The narcotized populace refuses to take action to reverse those rulings.

.

JAIME CASTILLO, et al., PETITIONERS v.
UNITED STATES
ON WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE FIFTH CIRCUIT
[June 5, 2000]

Justice Breyer delivered the opinion of the Court.*1

In this case we once again decide whether words in a federal criminal statute create offense elements (determined by a jury) or sentencing factors (determined by a judge). See Jones v. United States, 526 U.S. 227(1999); Almendarez-Torres v. United States, 523 U.S. 224 (1998). The statute in question, 18 U.S.C. § 924(c) (1988 ed., Supp. V), prohibits the use or carrying of a “firearm” in relation to a crime of violence, and increases the penalty dramatically when the weapon used or carried is, for example, a “machinegun.” We conclude that the statute uses the word “machinegun” (and similar words) to state an element of a separate offense.

He's not correct about the case. He thinks it proves that automatic weapons were used at Waco. It proved nothing of the sort. The court overruled the FBI.

SCOTUS did rule that Castillo was guilty of the offense even though there was no evidence that Castillo actually used the machine gun.


.

In other words, there was no evidence that automatic weapons were used. Daws101 claimed the case proved that automatic weapons were used.

False asswipe ! all that needed to be proven was illegal possession.
I'll add false assumptions to the list of your inaccurate yammering.

 

[Rustic]

Yes, they did. And some of the surviving Davidians were convicted for possessing and using them.

Castillo v. United States

The Supreme Court ruled against the FBI in that case, numskull.

They did not refute the Davidians had "machine guns". This was established at trial.

Because the law added an extra 25 years if you used a "machine gun" during a crime, the Supreme Court considered that an additional crime which had to be proven to the jury, in addition to the crime itself.

The judge sentenced them to the mandatory minimum of 30 years after they were convicted of the crime by the jury, adding that extra 25 because they had used machine guns. The Supremes said that was not allowed since the clause in the law made the "machine guns" a separate crime for which they had to also be found guilty by the jury.

In other words, Castillo got off on a technicality.

The court ruled against the FBI. They weren't allowed to add another 25 years because they had to prove in a separate trial that the defendant had used a machine gun. They didn't even bother to produce any evidence to that effect in the trial.

your point?

Bottom line: no one was ever convicted of using automatic weapons at waco.

Progressives don't know what so called "automatic weapons" are...
They just believe whatever they see in the movies.

 

[daws101]

man chokes on food, dies ...

and?

Political correctness Blames everybody but the person that choked and died

False!

 

[daws101]

The Supreme Court ruled against the FBI in that case, numskull.

They did not refute the Davidians had "machine guns". This was established at trial.

Because the law added an extra 25 years if you used a "machine gun" during a crime, the Supreme Court considered that an additional crime which had to be proven to the jury, in addition to the crime itself.

The judge sentenced them to the mandatory minimum of 30 years after they were convicted of the crime by the jury, adding that extra 25 because they had used machine guns. The Supremes said that was not allowed since the clause in the law made the "machine guns" a separate crime for which they had to also be found guilty by the jury.

In other words, Castillo got off on a technicality.

The court ruled against the FBI. They weren't allowed to add another 25 years because they had to prove in a separate trial that the defendant had used a machine gun. They didn't even bother to produce any evidence to that effect in the trial.

your point?

Bottom line: no one was ever convicted of using automatic weapons at waco.

Progressives don't know what so called "automatic weapons" are...
They just believe whatever they see in the movies.

Do you enjoy being wrong all the time?

 

[g5000]

The FBI never backed up its claim that the Davidians had illegal weapons.

Yes, they did. And some of the surviving Davidians were convicted for possessing and using them.

Castillo v. United States

The Supreme Court ruled against the FBI in that case, numskull.

They did not refute the Davidians had "machine guns". This was established at trial.

Because the law added an extra 25 years if you used a "machine gun" during a crime, the Supreme Court considered that an additional crime which had to be proven to the jury, in addition to the crime itself.

The judge sentenced them to the mandatory minimum of 30 years after they were convicted of the crime by the jury, adding that extra 25 because they had used machine guns. The Supremes said that was not allowed since the clause in the law made the "machine guns" a separate crime for which they had to also be found guilty by the jury.

In other words, Castillo got off on a technicality.

The court ruled against the FBI. They weren't allowed to add another 25 years because they had to prove in a separate trial that the defendant had used a machine gun. They didn't even bother to produce any evidence to that effect in the trial.

They did. But they failed to make it a separate charge at the trial.

Read the link I provided. It is indisputable they had fully automatic weapons.

 

[Rustic]

There are NOT supposed to be federal Laws regulating machine guns.

Those laws will remain in the books and enforced as long as Americans remain narcotized.


.

How fun, you think like me a child. Adults have common sense instead.

There are NOT supposed to be federal Laws regulating machine guns.

Those laws will remain in the books and enforced as long as Americans remain narcotized.


Some day Americans will wake the fuck up and realize that SCOTUS is populated by scumbags who believe their job is to aggrandize the federal government by any means necessary.


.

Maybe they're too busy living their lives, trying to get ahead in the rat race and basically try and scrape out enought money to make a life to worry about some minor triviality in the minutea of second ammendment and federal law allignment?

Sad but true.


Yes, indeed, Americans are too busy working to pay for the gargantuan welfare/warfare police state.

But meanwhile the bastards in DC are taking advantage - look how well AVOWED SOCIALIST Comrade Bernard Sanders has done .


.

Yep,but then I don't suppose the richest 1% having as much as the poorest 90% helps either.

Go hide Robin Hood

 

[Rustic]

They did not refute the Davidians had "machine guns". This was established at trial.

Because the law added an extra 25 years if you used a "machine gun" during a crime, the Supreme Court considered that an additional crime which had to be proven to the jury, in addition to the crime itself.

The judge sentenced them to the mandatory minimum of 30 years after they were convicted of the crime by the jury, adding that extra 25 because they had used machine guns. The Supremes said that was not allowed since the clause in the law made the "machine guns" a separate crime for which they had to also be found guilty by the jury.

In other words, Castillo got off on a technicality.

The court ruled against the FBI. They weren't allowed to add another 25 years because they had to prove in a separate trial that the defendant had used a machine gun. They didn't even bother to produce any evidence to that effect in the trial.

your point?

Bottom line: no one was ever convicted of using automatic weapons at waco.

Progressives don't know what so called "automatic weapons" are...
They just believe whatever they see in the movies.

Do you enjoy being wrong all the time?

Tell us the difference between a sporting weapon and a military grade weapon, more importantly show us??

 

[Rustic]

man chokes on food, dies ...

and?

Political correctness Blames everybody but the person that choked and died

False!

Do you like appeasing??

 

[bripat9643]

The FBI never backed up its claim that the Davidians had illegal weapons.

Yes, they did. And some of the surviving Davidians were convicted for possessing and using them.

Castillo v. United States

The Supreme Court ruled against the FBI in that case, numskull.

They did not refute the Davidians had "machine guns". This was established at trial.

Because the law added an extra 25 years if you used a "machine gun" during a crime, the Supreme Court considered that an additional crime which had to be proven to the jury, in addition to the crime itself.

The judge sentenced them to the mandatory minimum of 30 years after they were convicted of the crime by the jury, adding that extra 25 because they had used machine guns. The Supremes said that was not allowed since the clause in the law made the "machine guns" a separate crime for which they had to also be found guilty by the jury.

In other words, Castillo got off on a technicality.

The court ruled against the FBI. They weren't allowed to add another 25 years because they had to prove in a separate trial that the defendant had used a machine gun. They didn't even bother to produce any evidence to that effect in the trial.

They did. But they failed to make it a separate charge at the trial.

Read the link I provided. It is indisputable they had fully automatic weapons.

Nope. They never attempted to prove that automatic weapons were used. The simply presented it as a fact.

 

[Rustic]

Yes, they did. And some of the surviving Davidians were convicted for possessing and using them.

Castillo v. United States

The Supreme Court ruled against the FBI in that case, numskull.

They did not refute the Davidians had "machine guns". This was established at trial.

Because the law added an extra 25 years if you used a "machine gun" during a crime, the Supreme Court considered that an additional crime which had to be proven to the jury, in addition to the crime itself.

The judge sentenced them to the mandatory minimum of 30 years after they were convicted of the crime by the jury, adding that extra 25 because they had used machine guns. The Supremes said that was not allowed since the clause in the law made the "machine guns" a separate crime for which they had to also be found guilty by the jury.

In other words, Castillo got off on a technicality.

The court ruled against the FBI. They weren't allowed to add another 25 years because they had to prove in a separate trial that the defendant had used a machine gun. They didn't even bother to produce any evidence to that effect in the trial.

They did. But they failed to make it a separate charge at the trial.

Read the link I provided. It is indisputable they had fully automatic weapons.

Nope. They never attempted to prove that automatic weapons were used. The simply claimed they were.

How can they do any such thing, They have not a clue what a real military grade weapon is.

 

[Rustic]