somebodys wrong ...

[Fenton Lum]

Ok, "totally" is the wrong word. I noticed that they only talked about coverage and didn't mention that the CBO agreed with 0bama when he claimed that Obamacare would lower premiums, nor did the mention that the CBO claimed that Obamacare would not cost the taxpayers money.

It's the CBO that has no credibility.

Not that I like the GOP plan, I call it RINOcare. Obamacare should have been repealed and not replaced.

Repeal the ACA and replace Paul Ryan.

Who pays the hospital costs for the uninsured? No one dares answer that question

The hospitals do, it's a write off.

Write-off of what?
The vast majority of hospitals and health systems are not for profits.

The ERs need to remain open and staffed whether they turn a profit or not. At some point their cost must be passed on to those who pay.

Oh my! How did any hospital or medical practice ever survive before Obama.

ABSTRACT BACKGROUND: Our 2001 study in 5 states found that medical problems contributed to at least 46.2% of all bankruptcies. Since then, health costs and the numbers of un- and underinsured have increased, and bankruptcy laws have tightened.

METHODS: We surveyed a random national sample of 2314 bankruptcy filers in 2007, abstracted their court records, and interviewed 1032 of them. We designated bankruptcies as “medical” based on debtors’ stated reasons for filing, income loss due to illness, and the magnitude of their medical debts.

RESULTS: Using a conservative definition, 62.1% of all bankruptcies in 2007 were medical; 92% of these medical debtors had medical debts over $5000, or 10% of pretax family income. The rest met criteria for medical bankruptcy because they had lost significant income due to illness or mortgaged a home to pay medical bills. Most medical debtors were well educated, owned homes, and had middle-class occupations. Three quarters had health insurance. Using identical definitions in 2001 and 2007, the share of bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6%. In logistic regression analysis controlling for demographic factors, the odds that a bankruptcy had a medical cause was 2.38-fold higher in 2007 than in 2001. CONCLUSIONS: Illness and medical bills contribute to a large and increasing share of US bankruptcies. © 2009 Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. • The American Journal of Medicine (2009) xx,

Medical Bankruptcy in the United States, 2007: Results of a National Study David U. Himmelstein, MD,a Deborah Thorne, PhD,b Elizabeth Warren, JD,c Steffie Woolhandler, MD, MPHa a Department of Medicine, Cambridge Hospital/Harvard Medical School, Cambridge,

 

[PredFan]

This is the same CBO that was totally wrong about Obamacare.

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

Insurance companies and big Pharma love Obamacare/single payer… Fact
Normal every day citizens cannot survive under Obama care/single payer...

Exactly! Imagine if YOU owned a business and the government said: "Hey Rustic! We want to pass a law that requires every single American to buy your product. Will you get on board with that?"

hell no, I'd rather poor bastards go without insurance so I could bitch about them being a burden on the country, and me having to pay their way.

Who asked you for your irrelevant nonsense?

 

[Rustic]

I wasn't being specific. I was expressing a point. No two groups are going to come up with the same results over something like that.

Because there is no common cause or fabric of society in america, predation and angling is the nature of both our political and economic system. America is still basically a colonial wealth extraction paradigm feeding off of any society it rules over.

You can't force socialist entitlement programs on people in a civilization and expect them to be happy about it, or be able to afford it, or want anything to do with it.

I don't see that many folks happy about this system that has been forced upon them, or we wouldn't even be having this conversation in society. You're hung up on a name, and what you call it is more important to you than how it actually functions in society.

Simple solution, let those that want to be involved in such programs sign-up for them, I don't give two shits. But don't force people that want nothing to do with it to participate... that's bullshit.

We already do that every single day in america. So there must be some other issue. Like I say, keep on doing what we're doing. Sometimes you have to watch things hit bottom, I got time.

Shit happens, I don't base anything around what "might" happen.
Socialism/globalism is a cancer to the individual and their freedom... fact

 

[Kosh]

the White House or The CBO ?

WH analysis of ObamaCare replacement projects bigger coverage gap than CBO: report

The far left is always wrong!

The CBO was wrong about Obamacare..

Then again you had to pass it to find out what was in it..

Silly far left drone!

the White House or The CBO ?

WH analysis of ObamaCare replacement projects bigger coverage gap than CBO: report

The far left is always wrong!

The CBO was wrong about Obamacare..

Then again you had to pass it to find out what was in it..

Silly far left drone!

Then you have nothing to be concerned about now.

Get the government out of my business and I will not have anything to be concerned about!

 

[Rustic]

In your scenario, no hospital or medical practice could survive. So how did they make it before His Highness Obama came on the scene?

Our system's been fucked up ever since it went for profit, other nations have figured out how to deal with healthcare on a national level that works much better than ours for less cost. Our predatory "capitalist" elites have decided we will do what wrings more profit out of the system for them rather than embrace what works in a globally competitive society for all. It's just who we are.

Well, you progressives keep your socialized medicine to yourself leave the rest of us out of it. Our participation is not needed...

yo, dip.

now the GOP'rs give tax credits in their big plan ... the fucking Government pays for tax credits, YOU pay for the Government with your tax dollars.. YOUR participation is STILL mandatory, you're just too fucking stupid to know it.

Government has no claim to taxes, because it is taxation without representation. Like a said people are being forced into a socialist entitlement programs that want nothing to do with them.
Simple fix would be an "opt in"... basically a sign up if you want to be a part of it fine, I don't give two shits. But no one should be forced into the bullshit

like I said, youre too dumb to know it.

You do realize, it does not take a village…

 

[Rustic]

Repeal the ACA and replace Paul Ryan.

Who pays the hospital costs for the uninsured? No one dares answer that question

The hospitals do, it's a write off.

Write-off of what?
The vast majority of hospitals and health systems are not for profits.

The ERs need to remain open and staffed whether they turn a profit or not. At some point their cost must be passed on to those who pay.

Oh my! How did any hospital or medical practice ever survive before Obama.

ABSTRACT BACKGROUND: Our 2001 study in 5 states found that medical problems contributed to at least 46.2% of all bankruptcies. Since then, health costs and the numbers of un- and underinsured have increased, and bankruptcy laws have tightened.

METHODS: We surveyed a random national sample of 2314 bankruptcy filers in 2007, abstracted their court records, and interviewed 1032 of them. We designated bankruptcies as “medical” based on debtors’ stated reasons for filing, income loss due to illness, and the magnitude of their medical debts.

RESULTS: Using a conservative definition, 62.1% of all bankruptcies in 2007 were medical; 92% of these medical debtors had medical debts over $5000, or 10% of pretax family income. The rest met criteria for medical bankruptcy because they had lost significant income due to illness or mortgaged a home to pay medical bills. Most medical debtors were well educated, owned homes, and had middle-class occupations. Three quarters had health insurance. Using identical definitions in 2001 and 2007, the share of bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6%. In logistic regression analysis controlling for demographic factors, the odds that a bankruptcy had a medical cause was 2.38-fold higher in 2007 than in 2001. CONCLUSIONS: Illness and medical bills contribute to a large and increasing share of US bankruptcies. © 2009 Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. • The American Journal of Medicine (2009) xx,

Medical Bankruptcy in the United States, 2007: Results of a National Study David U. Himmelstein, MD,a Deborah Thorne, PhD,b Elizabeth Warren, JD,c Steffie Woolhandler, MD, MPHa a Department of Medicine, Cambridge Hospital/Harvard Medical School, Cambridge,

And more government control is going to fix it? God you're stupid motherfucker if you think that… LOL

 

[Fenton Lum]

Thats another talking point that is not true... While Obama may have originally wanted single payer it is ridiculous to think the ACA was written to fail. Through the ACA millions of people received healthcare. Lives were saved. That is a fact.

Costs did go up and options went down which are problems that need work.

It's the absolute truth.

Its a cheap talking point and scare tactic to degrade single payer. Anybody with a brain knows that creating a failing progressive healthcare plan does not lead to a double down on progressive ideology or single payer... it leads to a change of power and a replacement from an opposing ideological policy, which is exactly what is happening. There is no way that was Obamas intent... The facts that are right in front of your face prove your theory wrong.

It absolutely does. Obamacare was designed solely to establish yet another entitlement. THe dems know that once an entitlement is established, it's virtually impossible to get rid of. It was designed to fail after establishing that entitlement so that to "fix the problems" we would eventually go to single payer. It's the truth. You may not like to hear it, but it's the truth.

Not even close dude... The R's have proposed a full repeal bill multiple times and now that they are in the drivers seat they propose this crap bill. You all have the power to repeal and take away the entitlement if you want. You were elected and you have numbers. Not impossible... Very doable. And if it is the best thing to do for our country then the results will reflect it.

Wow! Thanks for making my point for me. The entitlement is here to stay.

The GOP only proposed full repeal because they knew it would get vetoed by Obama. When they actually had the opportunity to foot they won't. Why? Because the are spineless bastards who fear a backlash from voters for taking away an ENTITLEMENT. The left knew this, that's why Obamacare was designed to fail. Back in 2009, few Americans would accept socialized medicine, it's still true today. But as long as this entitlement exists, we are stead fast on the road to it.

Understand?

The only "entitlements" americans don't like are the ones going to the working and underclass in american society.

Privatized gains versus socialized losses for the Wall Street bankster class
Internalized profit versus externalized risk and expense for the "job creator" class
Socialism for the aristocracy versus laissez-faire "capitaism" for the masses

That's your system. It is an authoritarian system and by definition, authoritarian systems are always on shaky ground. This economic colonialism has a half life, no people will be subjugated like this forever.

 

[Fenton Lum]

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

Insurance companies and big Pharma love Obamacare/single payer… Fact
Normal every day citizens cannot survive under Obama care/single payer...

Exactly! Imagine if YOU owned a business and the government said: "Hey Rustic! We want to pass a law that requires every single American to buy your product. Will you get on board with that?"

hell no, I'd rather poor bastards go without insurance so I could bitch about them being a burden on the country, and me having to pay their way.

Who asked you for your irrelevant nonsense?

Well you have actually, by example, for the entire thread.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Who pays the hospital costs for the uninsured? No one dares answer that question

The hospitals do, it's a write off.

Write-off of what?
The vast majority of hospitals and health systems are not for profits.

The ERs need to remain open and staffed whether they turn a profit or not. At some point their cost must be passed on to those who pay.

Oh my! How did any hospital or medical practice ever survive before Obama.

ABSTRACT BACKGROUND: Our 2001 study in 5 states found that medical problems contributed to at least 46.2% of all bankruptcies. Since then, health costs and the numbers of un- and underinsured have increased, and bankruptcy laws have tightened.

METHODS: We surveyed a random national sample of 2314 bankruptcy filers in 2007, abstracted their court records, and interviewed 1032 of them. We designated bankruptcies as “medical” based on debtors’ stated reasons for filing, income loss due to illness, and the magnitude of their medical debts.

RESULTS: Using a conservative definition, 62.1% of all bankruptcies in 2007 were medical; 92% of these medical debtors had medical debts over $5000, or 10% of pretax family income. The rest met criteria for medical bankruptcy because they had lost significant income due to illness or mortgaged a home to pay medical bills. Most medical debtors were well educated, owned homes, and had middle-class occupations. Three quarters had health insurance. Using identical definitions in 2001 and 2007, the share of bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6%. In logistic regression analysis controlling for demographic factors, the odds that a bankruptcy had a medical cause was 2.38-fold higher in 2007 than in 2001. CONCLUSIONS: Illness and medical bills contribute to a large and increasing share of US bankruptcies. © 2009 Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. • The American Journal of Medicine (2009) xx,

Medical Bankruptcy in the United States, 2007: Results of a National Study David U. Himmelstein, MD,a Deborah Thorne, PhD,b Elizabeth Warren, JD,c Steffie Woolhandler, MD, MPHa a Department of Medicine, Cambridge Hospital/Harvard Medical School, Cambridge,

And more government control is going to fix it? God you're stupid motherfucker if you think that… LOL

Who do you think controls your govt hon? Your govt was bought up by the same clowns that bought up your media machine. Concentrated corporate wealth/power IS your govt. Goldman Sachs all up in the white house regardless of who "wins" any election.

 

[Siete]

Repeal the ACA and replace Paul Ryan.

Who pays the hospital costs for the uninsured? No one dares answer that question

The hospitals do, it's a write off.

Write-off of what?
The vast majority of hospitals and health systems are not for profits.

The ERs need to remain open and staffed whether they turn a profit or not. At some point their cost must be passed on to those who pay.

Oh my! How did any hospital or medical practice ever survive before Obama.

ABSTRACT BACKGROUND: Our 2001 study in 5 states found that medical problems contributed to at least 46.2% of all bankruptcies. Since then, health costs and the numbers of un- and underinsured have increased, and bankruptcy laws have tightened.

METHODS: We surveyed a random national sample of 2314 bankruptcy filers in 2007, abstracted their court records, and interviewed 1032 of them. We designated bankruptcies as “medical” based on debtors’ stated reasons for filing, income loss due to illness, and the magnitude of their medical debts.

RESULTS: Using a conservative definition, 62.1% of all bankruptcies in 2007 were medical; 92% of these medical debtors had medical debts over $5000, or 10% of pretax family income. The rest met criteria for medical bankruptcy because they had lost significant income due to illness or mortgaged a home to pay medical bills. Most medical debtors were well educated, owned homes, and had middle-class occupations. Three quarters had health insurance. Using identical definitions in 2001 and 2007, the share of bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6%. In logistic regression analysis controlling for demographic factors, the odds that a bankruptcy had a medical cause was 2.38-fold higher in 2007 than in 2001. CONCLUSIONS: Illness and medical bills contribute to a large and increasing share of US bankruptcies. © 2009 Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. • The American Journal of Medicine (2009) xx,

Medical Bankruptcy in the United States, 2007: Results of a National Study David U. Himmelstein, MD,a Deborah Thorne, PhD,b Elizabeth Warren, JD,c Steffie Woolhandler, MD, MPHa a Department of Medicine, Cambridge Hospital/Harvard Medical School, Cambridge,

blue, purple, green, pick a color, you can present real world stats to these idiots until you face turns, do they have the mental capacity to understand anything other than OBAMA BAD ... hell no, not on your life, or theirs.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Who pays the hospital costs for the uninsured? No one dares answer that question

The hospitals do, it's a write off.

Write-off of what?
The vast majority of hospitals and health systems are not for profits.

The ERs need to remain open and staffed whether they turn a profit or not. At some point their cost must be passed on to those who pay.

Oh my! How did any hospital or medical practice ever survive before Obama.

ABSTRACT BACKGROUND: Our 2001 study in 5 states found that medical problems contributed to at least 46.2% of all bankruptcies. Since then, health costs and the numbers of un- and underinsured have increased, and bankruptcy laws have tightened.

METHODS: We surveyed a random national sample of 2314 bankruptcy filers in 2007, abstracted their court records, and interviewed 1032 of them. We designated bankruptcies as “medical” based on debtors’ stated reasons for filing, income loss due to illness, and the magnitude of their medical debts.

RESULTS: Using a conservative definition, 62.1% of all bankruptcies in 2007 were medical; 92% of these medical debtors had medical debts over $5000, or 10% of pretax family income. The rest met criteria for medical bankruptcy because they had lost significant income due to illness or mortgaged a home to pay medical bills. Most medical debtors were well educated, owned homes, and had middle-class occupations. Three quarters had health insurance. Using identical definitions in 2001 and 2007, the share of bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6%. In logistic regression analysis controlling for demographic factors, the odds that a bankruptcy had a medical cause was 2.38-fold higher in 2007 than in 2001. CONCLUSIONS: Illness and medical bills contribute to a large and increasing share of US bankruptcies. © 2009 Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. • The American Journal of Medicine (2009) xx,

Medical Bankruptcy in the United States, 2007: Results of a National Study David U. Himmelstein, MD,a Deborah Thorne, PhD,b Elizabeth Warren, JD,c Steffie Woolhandler, MD, MPHa a Department of Medicine, Cambridge Hospital/Harvard Medical School, Cambridge,

blue, purple, green, pick a color, you can present real world stats to these idiots until you face turns, do they have the mental capacity to understand anything other than OBAMA BAD ... hell no, not on your life, or theirs.

Oh I know, I just don't mind.

 

[Rustic]

The hospitals do, it's a write off.

Write-off of what?
The vast majority of hospitals and health systems are not for profits.

The ERs need to remain open and staffed whether they turn a profit or not. At some point their cost must be passed on to those who pay.

Oh my! How did any hospital or medical practice ever survive before Obama.

ABSTRACT BACKGROUND: Our 2001 study in 5 states found that medical problems contributed to at least 46.2% of all bankruptcies. Since then, health costs and the numbers of un- and underinsured have increased, and bankruptcy laws have tightened.

METHODS: We surveyed a random national sample of 2314 bankruptcy filers in 2007, abstracted their court records, and interviewed 1032 of them. We designated bankruptcies as “medical” based on debtors’ stated reasons for filing, income loss due to illness, and the magnitude of their medical debts.

RESULTS: Using a conservative definition, 62.1% of all bankruptcies in 2007 were medical; 92% of these medical debtors had medical debts over $5000, or 10% of pretax family income. The rest met criteria for medical bankruptcy because they had lost significant income due to illness or mortgaged a home to pay medical bills. Most medical debtors were well educated, owned homes, and had middle-class occupations. Three quarters had health insurance. Using identical definitions in 2001 and 2007, the share of bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6%. In logistic regression analysis controlling for demographic factors, the odds that a bankruptcy had a medical cause was 2.38-fold higher in 2007 than in 2001. CONCLUSIONS: Illness and medical bills contribute to a large and increasing share of US bankruptcies. © 2009 Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. • The American Journal of Medicine (2009) xx,

Medical Bankruptcy in the United States, 2007: Results of a National Study David U. Himmelstein, MD,a Deborah Thorne, PhD,b Elizabeth Warren, JD,c Steffie Woolhandler, MD, MPHa a Department of Medicine, Cambridge Hospital/Harvard Medical School, Cambridge,

And more government control is going to fix it? God you're stupid motherfucker if you think that… LOL

Who do you think controls your govt hon? Your govt was bought up by the same clowns that bought up your media machine. Concentrated corporate wealth/power IS your govt. Goldman Sachs all up in the white house regardless of who "wins" any election.

The Federal government is all About hypocrisy...

 

[Rustic]

The hospitals do, it's a write off.

Write-off of what?
The vast majority of hospitals and health systems are not for profits.

The ERs need to remain open and staffed whether they turn a profit or not. At some point their cost must be passed on to those who pay.

Oh my! How did any hospital or medical practice ever survive before Obama.

ABSTRACT BACKGROUND: Our 2001 study in 5 states found that medical problems contributed to at least 46.2% of all bankruptcies. Since then, health costs and the numbers of un- and underinsured have increased, and bankruptcy laws have tightened.

METHODS: We surveyed a random national sample of 2314 bankruptcy filers in 2007, abstracted their court records, and interviewed 1032 of them. We designated bankruptcies as “medical” based on debtors’ stated reasons for filing, income loss due to illness, and the magnitude of their medical debts.

RESULTS: Using a conservative definition, 62.1% of all bankruptcies in 2007 were medical; 92% of these medical debtors had medical debts over $5000, or 10% of pretax family income. The rest met criteria for medical bankruptcy because they had lost significant income due to illness or mortgaged a home to pay medical bills. Most medical debtors were well educated, owned homes, and had middle-class occupations. Three quarters had health insurance. Using identical definitions in 2001 and 2007, the share of bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6%. In logistic regression analysis controlling for demographic factors, the odds that a bankruptcy had a medical cause was 2.38-fold higher in 2007 than in 2001. CONCLUSIONS: Illness and medical bills contribute to a large and increasing share of US bankruptcies. © 2009 Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. • The American Journal of Medicine (2009) xx,

Medical Bankruptcy in the United States, 2007: Results of a National Study David U. Himmelstein, MD,a Deborah Thorne, PhD,b Elizabeth Warren, JD,c Steffie Woolhandler, MD, MPHa a Department of Medicine, Cambridge Hospital/Harvard Medical School, Cambridge,

blue, purple, green, pick a color, you can present real world stats to these idiots until you face turns, do they have the mental capacity to understand anything other than OBAMA BAD ... hell no, not on your life, or theirs.

Oh I know, I just don't mind.

It has nothing to do with Barry, it's about the concept of socialism/globalism/it takes a village shit. Why can't people pay for their own shit?

 

[Siete]

Write-off of what?
The vast majority of hospitals and health systems are not for profits.

The ERs need to remain open and staffed whether they turn a profit or not. At some point their cost must be passed on to those who pay.

Oh my! How did any hospital or medical practice ever survive before Obama.

ABSTRACT BACKGROUND: Our 2001 study in 5 states found that medical problems contributed to at least 46.2% of all bankruptcies. Since then, health costs and the numbers of un- and underinsured have increased, and bankruptcy laws have tightened.

METHODS: We surveyed a random national sample of 2314 bankruptcy filers in 2007, abstracted their court records, and interviewed 1032 of them. We designated bankruptcies as “medical” based on debtors’ stated reasons for filing, income loss due to illness, and the magnitude of their medical debts.

RESULTS: Using a conservative definition, 62.1% of all bankruptcies in 2007 were medical; 92% of these medical debtors had medical debts over $5000, or 10% of pretax family income. The rest met criteria for medical bankruptcy because they had lost significant income due to illness or mortgaged a home to pay medical bills. Most medical debtors were well educated, owned homes, and had middle-class occupations. Three quarters had health insurance. Using identical definitions in 2001 and 2007, the share of bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6%. In logistic regression analysis controlling for demographic factors, the odds that a bankruptcy had a medical cause was 2.38-fold higher in 2007 than in 2001. CONCLUSIONS: Illness and medical bills contribute to a large and increasing share of US bankruptcies. © 2009 Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. • The American Journal of Medicine (2009) xx,

Medical Bankruptcy in the United States, 2007: Results of a National Study David U. Himmelstein, MD,a Deborah Thorne, PhD,b Elizabeth Warren, JD,c Steffie Woolhandler, MD, MPHa a Department of Medicine, Cambridge Hospital/Harvard Medical School, Cambridge,

And more government control is going to fix it? God you're stupid motherfucker if you think that… LOL

Who do you think controls your govt hon? Your govt was bought up by the same clowns that bought up your media machine. Concentrated corporate wealth/power IS your govt. Goldman Sachs all up in the white house regardless of who "wins" any election.

The Federal government is all About hypocrisy...

and youre not ?

 

[PredFan]

Obamacare was far from a positive step. It was a step that was designed to fail from the get go. It was supposed to lead us to socialized medicine and that is a step in the wrong direction.

It increased the number of people insured. It decreased providers delivering service to uninsured and costing it to others.

Your objection to Obamacare is ideological, and not based upon results. I'd have preferred direct tax credits to uninsured, but that wasn't the way it went. But anyway you look at the gops proposal is cuts people getting services and cuts taxes on the wealthiest 2%. If that's your ideology, fine.

It increased the number of people insured because it was mandated, that's not freedom and that is wrong. And it also increased the number because it gave away free healthcare to the poor, that is also wrong because others were forced to pay for it. Any way you look at Obamacare it is a failure.

I would have preferred that Obamacare get repealed and not replaced. I don't like this RINOcare any more than Obamacare.

Do you realize that these uninsured that come as a result of dropping the mandate and cutting medicare will only result in more sick uninsured people going to the emergency room and the tax payers fronting the bill for the costs? There is a smarter way to spend our money and it should be pretty obvious to you that the more people who have health insurance the better off everybody is.

In your scenario, no hospital or medical practice could survive. So how did they make it before His Highness Obama came on the scene?

They survived by charging a shit ton of money for healthcare and medications while selectively insuring as many "healthy" people as they could. If you had a preexisting condition you were fucked. If you were a health risk, you were fucked. If you bought a cheap plan that covered very little and you got sick you were fucked. Despite all of these things that allowed insurers to take advantage of citizens prices and premiums still sky rocketed. Did you forget that there were many problems prior to Obamacare? Don't pretend like everything was hunky dorey

So why are premiums more now than they were then? It's not true that you were fucked if you had a pre-existing condition. It depended on your current situation. I know a person who has a daughter with a severe birth defect. Yeah, she had to fight them but she won every time. It's also not true that if you are a health risk you were fucked. You may have had to pay higher premiums with some companies, but you could still get it. If you make the choice to save money by buying a cheap plan, you gambled and either win or lost. The fact remains that costs were cheaper before Obamacare.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Write-off of what?
The vast majority of hospitals and health systems are not for profits.

The ERs need to remain open and staffed whether they turn a profit or not. At some point their cost must be passed on to those who pay.

Oh my! How did any hospital or medical practice ever survive before Obama.

ABSTRACT BACKGROUND: Our 2001 study in 5 states found that medical problems contributed to at least 46.2% of all bankruptcies. Since then, health costs and the numbers of un- and underinsured have increased, and bankruptcy laws have tightened.

METHODS: We surveyed a random national sample of 2314 bankruptcy filers in 2007, abstracted their court records, and interviewed 1032 of them. We designated bankruptcies as “medical” based on debtors’ stated reasons for filing, income loss due to illness, and the magnitude of their medical debts.

RESULTS: Using a conservative definition, 62.1% of all bankruptcies in 2007 were medical; 92% of these medical debtors had medical debts over $5000, or 10% of pretax family income. The rest met criteria for medical bankruptcy because they had lost significant income due to illness or mortgaged a home to pay medical bills. Most medical debtors were well educated, owned homes, and had middle-class occupations. Three quarters had health insurance. Using identical definitions in 2001 and 2007, the share of bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6%. In logistic regression analysis controlling for demographic factors, the odds that a bankruptcy had a medical cause was 2.38-fold higher in 2007 than in 2001. CONCLUSIONS: Illness and medical bills contribute to a large and increasing share of US bankruptcies. © 2009 Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. • The American Journal of Medicine (2009) xx,

Medical Bankruptcy in the United States, 2007: Results of a National Study David U. Himmelstein, MD,a Deborah Thorne, PhD,b Elizabeth Warren, JD,c Steffie Woolhandler, MD, MPHa a Department of Medicine, Cambridge Hospital/Harvard Medical School, Cambridge,

And more government control is going to fix it? God you're stupid motherfucker if you think that… LOL

Who do you think controls your govt hon? Your govt was bought up by the same clowns that bought up your media machine. Concentrated corporate wealth/power IS your govt. Goldman Sachs all up in the white house regardless of who "wins" any election.

The Federal government is all About hypocrisy...

But of course, as was stated, concentrated corporate wealth/power IS your govt.

 

[PredFan]

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

Insurance companies and big Pharma love Obamacare/single payer… Fact
Normal every day citizens cannot survive under Obama care/single payer...

Normal every day citizens cannot survive under anything this political system has ever come up with relative to healthcare.

Absolutely true. So why don't we let the free market fix the problem?

That's how we got here. You wish to keep running down that dead end road? Please do. The longer we do, the more ferocious the backlash will be when it comes.

Wrong. There was no free market. It was excessively regulated by the government who was lobbied by insurance companies to keep the free market out.

 

[PredFan]

The hospitals do, it's a write off.

In that case, Einstein, there is no reason for anyone to have health insurance. Can you spell STUPID?

You are just too stupid to talk to. Dismissed.

You cannot support anything you prattle on about son. That's not dismissing, that's retreating.

Whatever you have to tell yourself to sooth the burn.

Too bad, you were actually able to argue intelligently for a while there.

I thought you wanted to discuss healthcare, my bad, off on spring break?

Now you are spiraling down the rabbit hole.

 

[Rustic]

Oh my! How did any hospital or medical practice ever survive before Obama.

ABSTRACT BACKGROUND: Our 2001 study in 5 states found that medical problems contributed to at least 46.2% of all bankruptcies. Since then, health costs and the numbers of un- and underinsured have increased, and bankruptcy laws have tightened.

METHODS: We surveyed a random national sample of 2314 bankruptcy filers in 2007, abstracted their court records, and interviewed 1032 of them. We designated bankruptcies as “medical” based on debtors’ stated reasons for filing, income loss due to illness, and the magnitude of their medical debts.

RESULTS: Using a conservative definition, 62.1% of all bankruptcies in 2007 were medical; 92% of these medical debtors had medical debts over $5000, or 10% of pretax family income. The rest met criteria for medical bankruptcy because they had lost significant income due to illness or mortgaged a home to pay medical bills. Most medical debtors were well educated, owned homes, and had middle-class occupations. Three quarters had health insurance. Using identical definitions in 2001 and 2007, the share of bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6%. In logistic regression analysis controlling for demographic factors, the odds that a bankruptcy had a medical cause was 2.38-fold higher in 2007 than in 2001. CONCLUSIONS: Illness and medical bills contribute to a large and increasing share of US bankruptcies. © 2009 Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. • The American Journal of Medicine (2009) xx,

Medical Bankruptcy in the United States, 2007: Results of a National Study David U. Himmelstein, MD,a Deborah Thorne, PhD,b Elizabeth Warren, JD,c Steffie Woolhandler, MD, MPHa a Department of Medicine, Cambridge Hospital/Harvard Medical School, Cambridge,

And more government control is going to fix it? God you're stupid motherfucker if you think that… LOL

Who do you think controls your govt hon? Your govt was bought up by the same clowns that bought up your media machine. Concentrated corporate wealth/power IS your govt. Goldman Sachs all up in the white house regardless of who "wins" any election.

The Federal government is all About hypocrisy...

and youre not ?

How is that so? I have been self-employed for 20+ years, debt free for 20+ years and I have never bought insurance on my life…

 

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Oh my! How did any hospital or medical practice ever survive before Obama.

ABSTRACT BACKGROUND: Our 2001 study in 5 states found that medical problems contributed to at least 46.2% of all bankruptcies. Since then, health costs and the numbers of un- and underinsured have increased, and bankruptcy laws have tightened.

METHODS: We surveyed a random national sample of 2314 bankruptcy filers in 2007, abstracted their court records, and interviewed 1032 of them. We designated bankruptcies as “medical” based on debtors’ stated reasons for filing, income loss due to illness, and the magnitude of their medical debts.

RESULTS: Using a conservative definition, 62.1% of all bankruptcies in 2007 were medical; 92% of these medical debtors had medical debts over $5000, or 10% of pretax family income. The rest met criteria for medical bankruptcy because they had lost significant income due to illness or mortgaged a home to pay medical bills. Most medical debtors were well educated, owned homes, and had middle-class occupations. Three quarters had health insurance. Using identical definitions in 2001 and 2007, the share of bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6%. In logistic regression analysis controlling for demographic factors, the odds that a bankruptcy had a medical cause was 2.38-fold higher in 2007 than in 2001. CONCLUSIONS: Illness and medical bills contribute to a large and increasing share of US bankruptcies. © 2009 Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. • The American Journal of Medicine (2009) xx,

Medical Bankruptcy in the United States, 2007: Results of a National Study David U. Himmelstein, MD,a Deborah Thorne, PhD,b Elizabeth Warren, JD,c Steffie Woolhandler, MD, MPHa a Department of Medicine, Cambridge Hospital/Harvard Medical School, Cambridge,

And more government control is going to fix it? God you're stupid motherfucker if you think that… LOL

Who do you think controls your govt hon? Your govt was bought up by the same clowns that bought up your media machine. Concentrated corporate wealth/power IS your govt. Goldman Sachs all up in the white house regardless of who "wins" any election.

The Federal government is all About hypocrisy...

But of course, as was stated, concentrated corporate wealth/power IS your govt.

Free market and personal responsibility are the opposite of socialism/globalism...