somebodys wrong ...

[PredFan]

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

Ok, "totally" is the wrong word. I noticed that they only talked about coverage and didn't mention that the CBO agreed with 0bama when he claimed that Obamacare would lower premiums, nor did the mention that the CBO claimed that Obamacare would not cost the taxpayers money.

It's the CBO that has no credibility.

Not that I like the GOP plan, I call it RINOcare. Obamacare should have been repealed and not replaced.

Repeal the ACA and replace Paul Ryan.

Who pays the hospital costs for the uninsured? No one dares answer that question

The hospitals do, it's a write off.

In that case, Einstein, there is no reason for anyone to have health insurance. Can you spell STUPID?

You are just too stupid to talk to. Dismissed.

 

[Kosh]

the White House or The CBO ?

WH analysis of ObamaCare replacement projects bigger coverage gap than CBO: report

The far left is always wrong!

The CBO was wrong about Obamacare..

Then again you had to pass it to find out what was in it..

Silly far left drone!

 

[Fenton Lum]

Ok, "totally" is the wrong word. I noticed that they only talked about coverage and didn't mention that the CBO agreed with 0bama when he claimed that Obamacare would lower premiums, nor did the mention that the CBO claimed that Obamacare would not cost the taxpayers money.

It's the CBO that has no credibility.

Not that I like the GOP plan, I call it RINOcare. Obamacare should have been repealed and not replaced.

Repeal the ACA and replace Paul Ryan.

Who pays the hospital costs for the uninsured? No one dares answer that question

The hospitals do, it's a write off.

In that case, Einstein, there is no reason for anyone to have health insurance. Can you spell STUPID?

You are just too stupid to talk to. Dismissed.

You cannot support anything you prattle on about son. That's not dismissing, that's retreating.

 

[PredFan]

This is the same CBO that was totally wrong about Obamacare.

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

I would have preferred straight tax credits to invividuals who didn't have coverage to Obamacare. But Obamacare was a positive step. It's aim was to increase care, not simply enrich insurance companies.

The gop's present plan is not a total back up to where it was in 2008. but it chooses to cut millionaries taxes to provide less support to for HC.

Obamacare was far from a positive step. It was a step that was designed to fail from the get go. It was supposed to lead us to socialized medicine and that is a step in the wrong direction.

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries

Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

MMS: Error

Health outcomes report cards, by country

Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

World Health Organization ranking of health systems in 2000 - Wikipedia

US health outcomes far worse than other comparable nations, report finds

Hey! We're in the top 10! Considering how skewed the WHO survey is, that's surprising.

 

[PredFan]

This is the same CBO that was totally wrong about Obamacare.

What exactly were they wrong about, oh expert?

How many people would be covered, how much it would cost for coverage, how much it would cost the government.

Other societies have figured out how to do healthcare much better than we do, for far less cost, but ours is a for profit system and as such can only expand profit margins over time to the detriment of society at large. The american sheeple subsidize big pharma pricing which gets negotiated downward in systems like the single payer system in Canada. The pharmaceutical prices foisted upon the american are jacked up to recover the difference.

That's a myth. The US has the best healthcare on the planet.

Swallow and follow my friend.

Eew! Stop projecting.

 

[Slade3200]

It's more expensive to cover people with subsidized private insurance than it is with government healthcare coverage such as Medicaid.

1. for a year of subsidized private insurance, the taxpayer has to provide money towards the cost of the insurance policy, which must be paid whether the insured requires healthcare or not that year.

2. with the government providing the coverage directly, the taxpayer will ONLY pay when the covered person actually requires healthcare.

Think about it.

Makes sense... But quality also has to be considered and as things are now private insurance provides better options and coverage than government coverage. Unless we go to a single payer system it makes sense to try and get as many people as possible on private plans. Subsidies help that and IMO the government should put some effort in getting healthcare and p. drug costs down so insurers can lower their prices as well.

It is a tricky situation when there is a profit motive in healthcare. It definitely muddies the water. Too bad our government is so bad at creating efficient and productive agencies or i'd be more supportive of single payer.

 

[Fenton Lum]

the White House or The CBO ?

WH analysis of ObamaCare replacement projects bigger coverage gap than CBO: report

The far left is always wrong!

The CBO was wrong about Obamacare..

Then again you had to pass it to find out what was in it..

Silly far left drone!

the White House or The CBO ?

WH analysis of ObamaCare replacement projects bigger coverage gap than CBO: report

The far left is always wrong!

The CBO was wrong about Obamacare..

Then again you had to pass it to find out what was in it..

Silly far left drone!

Then you have nothing to be concerned about now.

 

[TNHarley]

OMG who fucking cares?
You get another group to do it and it will be different as well.

OMG who fucking cares?

Exactly the position required to be a Trumpist.

Reality?

The reality is this bill is dead.

That's fine. That has absolutely NO bearing on what I said.
You know, just as well as I do, it would come out different. You just wanted to be an asshole, correct?

The CBO is the only agency that scores legislation. Saying that another group would score it differently has NO bearing on the process in Congress.

I wasn't being specific. I was expressing a point. No two groups are going to come up with the same results over something like that.

 

[Fenton Lum]

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

I would have preferred straight tax credits to invividuals who didn't have coverage to Obamacare. But Obamacare was a positive step. It's aim was to increase care, not simply enrich insurance companies.

The gop's present plan is not a total back up to where it was in 2008. but it chooses to cut millionaries taxes to provide less support to for HC.

Obamacare was far from a positive step. It was a step that was designed to fail from the get go. It was supposed to lead us to socialized medicine and that is a step in the wrong direction.

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries

Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

MMS: Error

Health outcomes report cards, by country

Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

World Health Organization ranking of health systems in 2000 - Wikipedia

US health outcomes far worse than other comparable nations, report finds

Hey! We're in the top 10! Considering how skewed the WHO survey is, that's surprising.

I'm not surprised you couldn't make your way through the material.

 

[PredFan]

This is the same CBO that was totally wrong about Obamacare.

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

Insurance companies and big Pharma love Obamacare/single payer… Fact
Normal every day citizens cannot survive under Obama care/single payer...

Exactly! Imagine if YOU owned a business and the government said: "Hey Rustic! We want to pass a law that requires every single American to buy your product. Will you get on board with that?"

 

[Rustic]

Obamacare would've been so much easier if they would've had an "opt in"...
Most everybody would've supported it people would've signed up for it that wanted to be part of it, and people that want nothing to do with that shit and would never used it would not have signed up for it… Whatever happened to choice?

 

[Rustic]

This is the same CBO that was totally wrong about Obamacare.

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

Insurance companies and big Pharma love Obamacare/single payer… Fact
Normal every day citizens cannot survive under Obama care/single payer...

Exactly! Imagine if YOU owned a business and the government said: "Hey Rustic! We want to pass a law that requires every single American to buy your product. Will you get on board with that?"

Damn right, I think every firearem sale should be 100% tax-deductible

 

[PredFan]

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

I would have preferred straight tax credits to invividuals who didn't have coverage to Obamacare. But Obamacare was a positive step. It's aim was to increase care, not simply enrich insurance companies.

The gop's present plan is not a total back up to where it was in 2008. but it chooses to cut millionaries taxes to provide less support to for HC.

Obamacare was far from a positive step. It was a step that was designed to fail from the get go. It was supposed to lead us to socialized medicine and that is a step in the wrong direction.

It increased the number of people insured. It decreased providers delivering service to uninsured and costing it to others.

Your objection to Obamacare is ideological, and not based upon results. I'd have preferred direct tax credits to uninsured, but that wasn't the way it went. But anyway you look at the gops proposal is cuts people getting services and cuts taxes on the wealthiest 2%. If that's your ideology, fine.

It increased the number of people insured because it was mandated, that's not freedom and that is wrong. And it also increased the number because it gave away free healthcare to the poor, that is also wrong because others were forced to pay for it. Any way you look at Obamacare it is a failure.

I would have preferred that Obamacare get repealed and not replaced. I don't like this RINOcare any more than Obamacare.

Do you realize that these uninsured that come as a result of dropping the mandate and cutting medicare will only result in more sick uninsured people going to the emergency room and the tax payers fronting the bill for the costs? There is a smarter way to spend our money and it should be pretty obvious to you that the more people who have health insurance the better off everybody is.

In your scenario, no hospital or medical practice could survive. So how did they make it before His Highness Obama came on the scene?

 

[Fenton Lum]

Exactly the position required to be a Trumpist.

Reality?

The reality is this bill is dead.

That's fine. That has absolutely NO bearing on what I said.
You know, just as well as I do, it would come out different. You just wanted to be an asshole, correct?

The CBO is the only agency that scores legislation. Saying that another group would score it differently has NO bearing on the process in Congress.

I wasn't being specific. I was expressing a point. No two groups are going to come up with the same results over something like that.

Because there is no common cause or fabric of society in america, predation and angling is the nature of both our political and economic system. America is still basically a colonial wealth extraction paradigm feeding off of any society it rules over.

 

[PredFan]

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

I would have preferred straight tax credits to invividuals who didn't have coverage to Obamacare. But Obamacare was a positive step. It's aim was to increase care, not simply enrich insurance companies.

The gop's present plan is not a total back up to where it was in 2008. but it chooses to cut millionaries taxes to provide less support to for HC.

Obamacare was far from a positive step. It was a step that was designed to fail from the get go. It was supposed to lead us to socialized medicine and that is a step in the wrong direction.

It increased the number of people insured. It decreased providers delivering service to uninsured and costing it to others.

Your objection to Obamacare is ideological, and not based upon results. I'd have preferred direct tax credits to uninsured, but that wasn't the way it went. But anyway you look at the gops proposal is cuts people getting services and cuts taxes on the wealthiest 2%. If that's your ideology, fine.

It increased the number of people insured because it was mandated, that's not freedom and that is wrong. And it also increased the number because it gave away free healthcare to the poor, that is also wrong because others were forced to pay for it. Any way you look at Obamacare it is a failure.

I would have preferred that Obamacare get repealed and not replaced. I don't like this RINOcare any more than Obamacare.

This is the same CBO that was totally wrong about Obamacare.

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

Insurance companies and big Pharma love Obamacare/single payer… Fact
Normal every day citizens cannot survive under Obama care/single payer...

We wouldn't know, we've never had single payer, works pretty damn well for other societies.

Not really, no.

 

[Slade3200]

I would have preferred straight tax credits to invividuals who didn't have coverage to Obamacare. But Obamacare was a positive step. It's aim was to increase care, not simply enrich insurance companies.

The gop's present plan is not a total back up to where it was in 2008. but it chooses to cut millionaries taxes to provide less support to for HC.

Obamacare was far from a positive step. It was a step that was designed to fail from the get go. It was supposed to lead us to socialized medicine and that is a step in the wrong direction.

Thats another talking point that is not true... While Obama may have originally wanted single payer it is ridiculous to think the ACA was written to fail. Through the ACA millions of people received healthcare. Lives were saved. That is a fact.

Costs did go up and options went down which are problems that need work.

It's the absolute truth.

Its a cheap talking point and scare tactic to degrade single payer. Anybody with a brain knows that creating a failing progressive healthcare plan does not lead to a double down on progressive ideology or single payer... it leads to a change of power and a replacement from an opposing ideological policy, which is exactly what is happening. There is no way that was Obamas intent... The facts that are right in front of your face prove your theory wrong.

It absolutely does. Obamacare was designed solely to establish yet another entitlement. THe dems know that once an entitlement is established, it's virtually impossible to get rid of. It was designed to fail after establishing that entitlement so that to "fix the problems" we would eventually go to single payer. It's the truth. You may not like to hear it, but it's the truth.

Not even close dude... The R's have proposed a full repeal bill multiple times and now that they are in the drivers seat they propose this crap bill. You all have the power to repeal and take away the entitlement if you want. You were elected and you have numbers. Not impossible... Very doable. And if it is the best thing to do for our country then the results will reflect it.

 

[PredFan]

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

Ok, "totally" is the wrong word. I noticed that they only talked about coverage and didn't mention that the CBO agreed with 0bama when he claimed that Obamacare would lower premiums, nor did the mention that the CBO claimed that Obamacare would not cost the taxpayers money.

It's the CBO that has no credibility.

Not that I like the GOP plan, I call it RINOcare. Obamacare should have been repealed and not replaced.

Repeal the ACA and replace Paul Ryan.

Who pays the hospital costs for the uninsured? No one dares answer that question

The hospitals do, it's a write off.

Write-off of what?
The vast majority of hospitals and health systems are not for profits.

The ERs need to remain open and staffed whether they turn a profit or not. At some point their cost must be passed on to those who pay.

Oh my! How did any hospital or medical practice ever survive before Obama.

 

[Rustic]

Reality?

The reality is this bill is dead.

That's fine. That has absolutely NO bearing on what I said.
You know, just as well as I do, it would come out different. You just wanted to be an asshole, correct?

The CBO is the only agency that scores legislation. Saying that another group would score it differently has NO bearing on the process in Congress.

I wasn't being specific. I was expressing a point. No two groups are going to come up with the same results over something like that.

Because there is no common cause or fabric of society in america, predation and angling is the nature of both our political and economic system. America is still basically a colonial wealth extraction paradigm feeding off of any society it rules over.

You can't force socialist entitlement programs on people in a civilization and expect them to be happy about it, or be able to afford it, or want anything to do with it.

 

[Fenton Lum]

I would have preferred straight tax credits to invividuals who didn't have coverage to Obamacare. But Obamacare was a positive step. It's aim was to increase care, not simply enrich insurance companies.

The gop's present plan is not a total back up to where it was in 2008. but it chooses to cut millionaries taxes to provide less support to for HC.

Obamacare was far from a positive step. It was a step that was designed to fail from the get go. It was supposed to lead us to socialized medicine and that is a step in the wrong direction.

It increased the number of people insured. It decreased providers delivering service to uninsured and costing it to others.

Your objection to Obamacare is ideological, and not based upon results. I'd have preferred direct tax credits to uninsured, but that wasn't the way it went. But anyway you look at the gops proposal is cuts people getting services and cuts taxes on the wealthiest 2%. If that's your ideology, fine.

It increased the number of people insured because it was mandated, that's not freedom and that is wrong. And it also increased the number because it gave away free healthcare to the poor, that is also wrong because others were forced to pay for it. Any way you look at Obamacare it is a failure.

I would have preferred that Obamacare get repealed and not replaced. I don't like this RINOcare any more than Obamacare.

Do you realize that these uninsured that come as a result of dropping the mandate and cutting medicare will only result in more sick uninsured people going to the emergency room and the tax payers fronting the bill for the costs? There is a smarter way to spend our money and it should be pretty obvious to you that the more people who have health insurance the better off everybody is.

In your scenario, no hospital or medical practice could survive. So how did they make it before His Highness Obama came on the scene?

Our system's been fucked up ever since it went for profit, other nations have figured out how to deal with healthcare on a national level that works much better than ours for less cost. Our predatory "capitalist" elites have decided we will do what wrings more profit out of the system for them rather than embrace what works in a globally competitive society for all. It's just who we are.

 

[Siete]

This is the same CBO that was totally wrong about Obamacare.

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

Insurance companies and big Pharma love Obamacare/single payer… Fact
Normal every day citizens cannot survive under Obama care/single payer...

Exactly! Imagine if YOU owned a business and the government said: "Hey Rustic! We want to pass a law that requires every single American to buy your product. Will you get on board with that?"

hell no, I'd rather poor bastards go without insurance so I could bitch about them being a burden on the country, and me having to pay their way.