somebodys wrong ...

[TNHarley]

OMG who fucking cares?
You get another group to do it and it will be different as well.

OMG who fucking cares?

Exactly the position required to be a Trumpist.

Reality?

 

[PredFan]

This is the same CBO that was totally wrong about Obamacare.

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

I would have preferred straight tax credits to invividuals who didn't have coverage to Obamacare. But Obamacare was a positive step. It's aim was to increase care, not simply enrich insurance companies.

The gop's present plan is not a total back up to where it was in 2008. but it chooses to cut millionaries taxes to provide less support to for HC.

Obamacare was far from a positive step. It was a step that was designed to fail from the get go. It was supposed to lead us to socialized medicine and that is a step in the wrong direction.

It increased the number of people insured. It decreased providers delivering service to uninsured and costing it to others.

Your objection to Obamacare is ideological, and not based upon results. I'd have preferred direct tax credits to uninsured, but that wasn't the way it went. But anyway you look at the gops proposal is cuts people getting services and cuts taxes on the wealthiest 2%. If that's your ideology, fine.

It increased the number of people insured because it was mandated, that's not freedom and that is wrong. And it also increased the number because it gave away free healthcare to the poor, that is also wrong because others were forced to pay for it. Any way you look at Obamacare it is a failure.

I would have preferred that Obamacare get repealed and not replaced. I don't like this RINOcare any more than Obamacare.

 

[PredFan]

This is the same CBO that was totally wrong about Obamacare.

What exactly were they wrong about, oh expert?

How many people would be covered, how much it would cost for coverage, how much it would cost the government.

Other societies have figured out how to do healthcare much better than we do, for far less cost, but ours is a for profit system and as such can only expand profit margins over time to the detriment of society at large. The american sheeple subsidize big pharma pricing which gets negotiated downward in systems like the single payer system in Canada. The pharmaceutical prices foisted upon the american are jacked up to recover the difference.

That's a myth. The US has the best healthcare on the planet.

 

[PredFan]

This is the same CBO that was totally wrong about Obamacare.

What exactly were they wrong about, oh expert?

How many people would be covered, how much it would cost for coverage, how much it would cost the government.

Thats not an answer. You are just making shyte up cause you dont know

It is exactly the answer to your question. Are you illiterate?

Provide numbers for us, Einstein

Look them up yourself asshole.

 

[defcon4]

Obamacare was far from a positive step. It was a step that was designed to fail from the get go. It was supposed to lead us to socialized medicine and that is a step in the wrong direction.

Exactly. That's what most of people fail to see.

It is the Democrat Party strategy to do outrageous demands throughout legislative actions because they know that the other wing of the party (Repubs) will yield at some point and they will get at least the half of the outrageous proposal. Same thing here, there was no health care crisis but they pushed through the legislation through nuclear option and now everybody talks about national health care instead of scrapping the whole thing and go back as it was. It worked better than this government mandated shit called Obamacare. My deductible increased 3 times, my doctors office visit 2.5 times since it was enacted.

 

[PredFan]

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

Yeah well insurance and big pharma were in on Obamacare as well.

Obamacare was awfully good to the people of MA, when Romney brought it in.

Irrelevant. Obamacare has failed.

Depends on who's idea it is doesn't it.

The very best you can say is that people were covered who weren't covered before. They are covered because of the mandate and at the expense of others. Both are wrong.

 

[brummelben]

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

I would have preferred straight tax credits to invividuals who didn't have coverage to Obamacare. But Obamacare was a positive step. It's aim was to increase care, not simply enrich insurance companies.

The gop's present plan is not a total back up to where it was in 2008. but it chooses to cut millionaries taxes to provide less support to for HC.

Obamacare was far from a positive step. It was a step that was designed to fail from the get go. It was supposed to lead us to socialized medicine and that is a step in the wrong direction.

It increased the number of people insured. It decreased providers delivering service to uninsured and costing it to others.

Your objection to Obamacare is ideological, and not based upon results. I'd have preferred direct tax credits to uninsured, but that wasn't the way it went. But anyway you look at the gops proposal is cuts people getting services and cuts taxes on the wealthiest 2%. If that's your ideology, fine.

It increased the number of people insured because it was mandated, that's not freedom and that is wrong. And it also increased the number because it gave away free healthcare to the poor, that is also wrong because others were forced to pay for it. Any way you look at Obamacare it is a failure.

I would have preferred that Obamacare get repealed and not replaced. I don't like this RINOcare any more than Obamacare.

who is going to pay the cost of a hospital for those who go and are uninsured?

 

[PredFan]

Yeah well insurance and big pharma were in on Obamacare as well.

Obamacare was awfully good to the people of MA, when Romney brought it in.

Irrelevant. Obamacare has failed.

prove it, no one wants you opinion, which is all you got

I'm way too lazy to prove something to you that you and everyone else already know. Fuck off.

So you can't support your position, I'm shocked.

Things I don't have to prove:
1. The sun provides heat.
2. Water is wet.
3. Kittens are cute.
4. Obamacare is a failure.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

OMG who fucking cares?
You get another group to do it and it will be different as well.

OMG who fucking cares?

Exactly the position required to be a Trumpist.

Reality?

The reality is this bill is dead.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

This is the same CBO that was totally wrong about Obamacare.

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

Ok, "totally" is the wrong word. I noticed that they only talked about coverage and didn't mention that the CBO agreed with 0bama when he claimed that Obamacare would lower premiums, nor did the mention that the CBO claimed that Obamacare would not cost the taxpayers money.

It's the CBO that has no credibility.

Not that I like the GOP plan, I call it RINOcare. Obamacare should have been repealed and not replaced.

Repeal the ACA and replace Paul Ryan.

Who pays the hospital costs for the uninsured? No one dares answer that question

What dos that have to do with this thread Rainman?

 

[brummelben]

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

Yeah well insurance and big pharma were in on Obamacare as well.

Obamacare was awfully good to the people of MA, when Romney brought it in.

Irrelevant. Obamacare has failed.

Depends on who's idea it is doesn't it.

The very best you can say is that people were covered who weren't covered before. They are covered because of the mandate and at the expense of others. Both are wrong.

Everything is at the expense of others whether you have health insurance or not. Learn something for once

 

[Slade3200]

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

I would have preferred straight tax credits to invividuals who didn't have coverage to Obamacare. But Obamacare was a positive step. It's aim was to increase care, not simply enrich insurance companies.

The gop's present plan is not a total back up to where it was in 2008. but it chooses to cut millionaries taxes to provide less support to for HC.

Obamacare was far from a positive step. It was a step that was designed to fail from the get go. It was supposed to lead us to socialized medicine and that is a step in the wrong direction.

Thats another talking point that is not true... While Obama may have originally wanted single payer it is ridiculous to think the ACA was written to fail. Through the ACA millions of people received healthcare. Lives were saved. That is a fact.

Costs did go up and options went down which are problems that need work.

It's the absolute truth.

Its a cheap talking point and scare tactic to degrade single payer. Anybody with a brain knows that creating a failing progressive healthcare plan does not lead to a double down on progressive ideology or single payer... it leads to a change of power and a replacement from an opposing ideological policy, which is exactly what is happening. There is no way that was Obamas intent... The facts that are right in front of your face prove your theory wrong.

 

[PredFan]

This is the same CBO that was totally wrong about Obamacare.

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

Ok, "totally" is the wrong word. I noticed that they only talked about coverage and didn't mention that the CBO agreed with 0bama when he claimed that Obamacare would lower premiums, nor did the mention that the CBO claimed that Obamacare would not cost the taxpayers money.

It's the CBO that has no credibility.

Not that I like the GOP plan, I call it RINOcare. Obamacare should have been repealed and not replaced.

Repeal the ACA and replace Paul Ryan.

Who pays the hospital costs for the uninsured? No one dares answer that question

The hospitals do, it's a write off.

 

[PredFan]

Yeah well insurance and big pharma were in on Obamacare as well.

Obamacare was awfully good to the people of MA, when Romney brought it in.

Irrelevant. Obamacare has failed.

prove it, no one wants you opinion, which is all you got

I'm way too lazy to prove something to you that you and everyone else already know. Fuck off.

You have proven once again that you dont know anything

Then feel free to stop bothering me with your stupid nonsense.

 

[brummelben]

This is the same CBO that was totally wrong about Obamacare.

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

Ok, "totally" is the wrong word. I noticed that they only talked about coverage and didn't mention that the CBO agreed with 0bama when he claimed that Obamacare would lower premiums, nor did the mention that the CBO claimed that Obamacare would not cost the taxpayers money.

It's the CBO that has no credibility.

Not that I like the GOP plan, I call it RINOcare. Obamacare should have been repealed and not replaced.

Repeal the ACA and replace Paul Ryan.

Who pays the hospital costs for the uninsured? No one dares answer that question

The hospitals do, it's a write off.

In that case, Einstein, there is no reason for anyone to have health insurance. Can you spell STUPID?

 

[Fenton Lum]

This is the same CBO that was totally wrong about Obamacare.

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

I would have preferred straight tax credits to invividuals who didn't have coverage to Obamacare. But Obamacare was a positive step. It's aim was to increase care, not simply enrich insurance companies.

The gop's present plan is not a total back up to where it was in 2008. but it chooses to cut millionaries taxes to provide less support to for HC.

Obamacare was far from a positive step. It was a step that was designed to fail from the get go. It was supposed to lead us to socialized medicine and that is a step in the wrong direction.

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries

Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

MMS: Error

Health outcomes report cards, by country

Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

World Health Organization ranking of health systems in 2000 - Wikipedia

US health outcomes far worse than other comparable nations, report finds

 

[TNHarley]

OMG who fucking cares?
You get another group to do it and it will be different as well.

OMG who fucking cares?

Exactly the position required to be a Trumpist.

Reality?

The reality is this bill is dead.

That's fine. That has absolutely NO bearing on what I said.
You know, just as well as I do, it would come out different. You just wanted to be an asshole, correct?

 

[Siete]

poor bastards elect Congressmen, give them jobs that pay $172K a year, Congressmen then play politics fucking the people who hired them to take care of them. Dumb fucking partisan hack drones hump each other on the street corner because their team fucks poor bastards better ...

The End.

 

[Fenton Lum]

This is the same CBO that was totally wrong about Obamacare.

What exactly were they wrong about, oh expert?

How many people would be covered, how much it would cost for coverage, how much it would cost the government.

Other societies have figured out how to do healthcare much better than we do, for far less cost, but ours is a for profit system and as such can only expand profit margins over time to the detriment of society at large. The american sheeple subsidize big pharma pricing which gets negotiated downward in systems like the single payer system in Canada. The pharmaceutical prices foisted upon the american are jacked up to recover the difference.

That's a myth. The US has the best healthcare on the planet.

Swallow and follow my friend.

 

[Rustic]

This is the same CBO that was totally wrong about Obamacare.

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

Insurance companies and big Pharma love Obamacare/single payer… Fact
Normal every day citizens cannot survive under Obama care/single payer...