somebodys wrong ...

[PredFan]

I would have preferred straight tax credits to invividuals who didn't have coverage to Obamacare. But Obamacare was a positive step. It's aim was to increase care, not simply enrich insurance companies.

The gop's present plan is not a total back up to where it was in 2008. but it chooses to cut millionaries taxes to provide less support to for HC.

Obamacare was far from a positive step. It was a step that was designed to fail from the get go. It was supposed to lead us to socialized medicine and that is a step in the wrong direction.

It increased the number of people insured. It decreased providers delivering service to uninsured and costing it to others.

Your objection to Obamacare is ideological, and not based upon results. I'd have preferred direct tax credits to uninsured, but that wasn't the way it went. But anyway you look at the gops proposal is cuts people getting services and cuts taxes on the wealthiest 2%. If that's your ideology, fine.

It increased the number of people insured because it was mandated, that's not freedom and that is wrong. And it also increased the number because it gave away free healthcare to the poor, that is also wrong because others were forced to pay for it. Any way you look at Obamacare it is a failure.

I would have preferred that Obamacare get repealed and not replaced. I don't like this RINOcare any more than Obamacare.

This is the same CBO that was totally wrong about Obamacare.

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

Insurance companies and big Pharma love Obamacare/single payer… Fact
Normal every day citizens cannot survive under Obama care/single payer...

We wouldn't know, we've never had single payer, works pretty damn well for other societies.

Just like the socialism that it serves, single payer destroys any sort of freedom and individuality. Millions of people want nothing to do with Obamacar/single payer, why force people into such things?

Just like anything else with the Democrats, it's about control.

 

[westwall]

Obamacare was far from a positive step. It was a step that was designed to fail from the get go. It was supposed to lead us to socialized medicine and that is a step in the wrong direction.

It increased the number of people insured. It decreased providers delivering service to uninsured and costing it to others.

Your objection to Obamacare is ideological, and not based upon results. I'd have preferred direct tax credits to uninsured, but that wasn't the way it went. But anyway you look at the gops proposal is cuts people getting services and cuts taxes on the wealthiest 2%. If that's your ideology, fine.

It increased the number of people insured because it was mandated, that's not freedom and that is wrong. And it also increased the number because it gave away free healthcare to the poor, that is also wrong because others were forced to pay for it. Any way you look at Obamacare it is a failure.

I would have preferred that Obamacare get repealed and not replaced. I don't like this RINOcare any more than Obamacare.

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

Insurance companies and big Pharma love Obamacare/single payer… Fact
Normal every day citizens cannot survive under Obama care/single payer...

We wouldn't know, we've never had single payer, works pretty damn well for other societies.

It works well if you're healthy. If you're sick, not so much. If it did, the Canadian politicians wouldn't be coming here to the USA to get their life saving operations.

Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft, I'm not interested in your belief system.

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries

Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

MMS: Error

Health outcomes report cards, by country

Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

World Health Organization ranking of health systems in 2000 - Wikipedia

US health outcomes far worse than other comparable nations, report finds

Your links make me laugh. They show Colombia as being better for health care than the USA, but the reality (for anyone who leaves their basement and actually travels there) is quite the opposite. Your sources merely look at what is claimed but then don't actually look at what they DO. The reality is the Colombian health care system is collapsing. Here is a article from the Lancet that references their troubles. A good friend of mine travels to Colombia to give free operations to the kids there. Funny how it takes American surgeons, travelling on their dime, to treat the kids of Colombia when they have such a great health care system.....

Are Colombia's reforms enough for a health-care system in crisis?

http://thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(15)60952-7/fulltext?rss=yes


Colombia

Colombia - All God's Children International

Healing the Children

 

[Fenton Lum]

The reality is this bill is dead.

That's fine. That has absolutely NO bearing on what I said.
You know, just as well as I do, it would come out different. You just wanted to be an asshole, correct?

The CBO is the only agency that scores legislation. Saying that another group would score it differently has NO bearing on the process in Congress.

I wasn't being specific. I was expressing a point. No two groups are going to come up with the same results over something like that.

Because there is no common cause or fabric of society in america, predation and angling is the nature of both our political and economic system. America is still basically a colonial wealth extraction paradigm feeding off of any society it rules over.

You can't force socialist entitlement programs on people in a civilization and expect them to be happy about it, or be able to afford it, or want anything to do with it.

I don't see that many folks happy about this system that has been forced upon them, or we wouldn't even be having this conversation in society. You're hung up on a name, and what you call it is more important to you than how it actually functions in society.

 

[Rustic]

Obamacare was far from a positive step. It was a step that was designed to fail from the get go. It was supposed to lead us to socialized medicine and that is a step in the wrong direction.

It increased the number of people insured. It decreased providers delivering service to uninsured and costing it to others.

Your objection to Obamacare is ideological, and not based upon results. I'd have preferred direct tax credits to uninsured, but that wasn't the way it went. But anyway you look at the gops proposal is cuts people getting services and cuts taxes on the wealthiest 2%. If that's your ideology, fine.

It increased the number of people insured because it was mandated, that's not freedom and that is wrong. And it also increased the number because it gave away free healthcare to the poor, that is also wrong because others were forced to pay for it. Any way you look at Obamacare it is a failure.

I would have preferred that Obamacare get repealed and not replaced. I don't like this RINOcare any more than Obamacare.

Do you realize that these uninsured that come as a result of dropping the mandate and cutting medicare will only result in more sick uninsured people going to the emergency room and the tax payers fronting the bill for the costs? There is a smarter way to spend our money and it should be pretty obvious to you that the more people who have health insurance the better off everybody is.

In your scenario, no hospital or medical practice could survive. So how did they make it before His Highness Obama came on the scene?

Our system's been fucked up ever since it went for profit, other nations have figured out how to deal with healthcare on a national level that works much better than ours for less cost. Our predatory "capitalist" elites have decided we will do what wrings more profit out of the system for them rather than embrace what works in a globally competitive society for all. It's just who we are.

Well, you progressives keep your socialized medicine to yourself leave the rest of us out of it. Our participation is not needed...

 

[PredFan]

This is the same CBO that was totally wrong about Obamacare.

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

Insurance companies and big Pharma love Obamacare/single payer… Fact
Normal every day citizens cannot survive under Obama care/single payer...

Normal every day citizens cannot survive under anything this political system has ever come up with relative to healthcare.

Absolutely true. So why don't we let the free market fix the problem?

 

[Fenton Lum]

It increased the number of people insured. It decreased providers delivering service to uninsured and costing it to others.

Your objection to Obamacare is ideological, and not based upon results. I'd have preferred direct tax credits to uninsured, but that wasn't the way it went. But anyway you look at the gops proposal is cuts people getting services and cuts taxes on the wealthiest 2%. If that's your ideology, fine.

It increased the number of people insured because it was mandated, that's not freedom and that is wrong. And it also increased the number because it gave away free healthcare to the poor, that is also wrong because others were forced to pay for it. Any way you look at Obamacare it is a failure.

I would have preferred that Obamacare get repealed and not replaced. I don't like this RINOcare any more than Obamacare.

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

Insurance companies and big Pharma love Obamacare/single payer… Fact
Normal every day citizens cannot survive under Obama care/single payer...

We wouldn't know, we've never had single payer, works pretty damn well for other societies.

It works well if you're healthy. If you're sick, not so much. If it did, the Canadian politicians wouldn't be coming here to the USA to get their life saving operations.

Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft, I'm not interested in your belief system.

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries

Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

MMS: Error

Health outcomes report cards, by country

Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

World Health Organization ranking of health systems in 2000 - Wikipedia

US health outcomes far worse than other comparable nations, report finds

Your links make me laugh. They show Colombia as being better for health care than the USA, but the reality (for anyone who leaves their basement and actually travels there) is quite the opposite. Your sources merely look at what is claimed but then don't actually look at what they DO. The reality is the Colombian health care system is collapsing. Here is a article from the Lancet that references their troubles. A good friend of mine travels to Colombia to give free operations to the kids there. Funny how it takes American surgeons, travelling on their dime, to treat the kids of Colombia when they have such a great health care system.....

Are Colombia's reforms enough for a health-care system in crisis?

http://thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(15)60952-7/fulltext?rss=yes


Colombia

Colombia - All God's Children International

Healing the Children

Then just keep on laughing, I don't mind, I rather enjoy seeing things get worse and worse as people in america refuse to grow, learn, adapt, and evolve.

 

[PredFan]

Repeal the ACA and replace Paul Ryan.

Who pays the hospital costs for the uninsured? No one dares answer that question

The hospitals do, it's a write off.

In that case, Einstein, there is no reason for anyone to have health insurance. Can you spell STUPID?

You are just too stupid to talk to. Dismissed.

You cannot support anything you prattle on about son. That's not dismissing, that's retreating.

Whatever you have to tell yourself to sooth the burn.

Too bad, you were actually able to argue intelligently for a while there.

 

[Slade3200]

I would have preferred straight tax credits to invividuals who didn't have coverage to Obamacare. But Obamacare was a positive step. It's aim was to increase care, not simply enrich insurance companies.

The gop's present plan is not a total back up to where it was in 2008. but it chooses to cut millionaries taxes to provide less support to for HC.

Obamacare was far from a positive step. It was a step that was designed to fail from the get go. It was supposed to lead us to socialized medicine and that is a step in the wrong direction.

It increased the number of people insured. It decreased providers delivering service to uninsured and costing it to others.

Your objection to Obamacare is ideological, and not based upon results. I'd have preferred direct tax credits to uninsured, but that wasn't the way it went. But anyway you look at the gops proposal is cuts people getting services and cuts taxes on the wealthiest 2%. If that's your ideology, fine.

It increased the number of people insured because it was mandated, that's not freedom and that is wrong. And it also increased the number because it gave away free healthcare to the poor, that is also wrong because others were forced to pay for it. Any way you look at Obamacare it is a failure.

I would have preferred that Obamacare get repealed and not replaced. I don't like this RINOcare any more than Obamacare.

Do you realize that these uninsured that come as a result of dropping the mandate and cutting medicare will only result in more sick uninsured people going to the emergency room and the tax payers fronting the bill for the costs? There is a smarter way to spend our money and it should be pretty obvious to you that the more people who have health insurance the better off everybody is.

In your scenario, no hospital or medical practice could survive. So how did they make it before His Highness Obama came on the scene?

They survived by charging a shit ton of money for healthcare and medications while selectively insuring as many "healthy" people as they could. If you had a preexisting condition you were fucked. If you were a health risk, you were fucked. If you bought a cheap plan that covered very little and you got sick you were fucked. Despite all of these things that allowed insurers to take advantage of citizens prices and premiums still sky rocketed. Did you forget that there were many problems prior to Obamacare? Don't pretend like everything was hunky dorey

 

[Fenton Lum]

This is the same CBO that was totally wrong about Obamacare.

You need fewer alternative facts.

What CBO got right - and wrong - on Obamacare

Obamacare didn't do all it was supposed to do. But when you have to lie about what it did to detract from the gop's truly dismal plan, you are not credible

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

Insurance companies and big Pharma love Obamacare/single payer… Fact
Normal every day citizens cannot survive under Obama care/single payer...

Normal every day citizens cannot survive under anything this political system has ever come up with relative to healthcare.

Absolutely true. So why don't we let the free market fix the problem?

That's how we got here. You wish to keep running down that dead end road? Please do. The longer we do, the more ferocious the backlash will be when it comes.

 

[Rustic]

That's fine. That has absolutely NO bearing on what I said.
You know, just as well as I do, it would come out different. You just wanted to be an asshole, correct?

The CBO is the only agency that scores legislation. Saying that another group would score it differently has NO bearing on the process in Congress.

I wasn't being specific. I was expressing a point. No two groups are going to come up with the same results over something like that.

Because there is no common cause or fabric of society in america, predation and angling is the nature of both our political and economic system. America is still basically a colonial wealth extraction paradigm feeding off of any society it rules over.

You can't force socialist entitlement programs on people in a civilization and expect them to be happy about it, or be able to afford it, or want anything to do with it.

I don't see that many folks happy about this system that has been forced upon them, or we wouldn't even be having this conversation in society. You're hung up on a name, and what you call it is more important to you than how it actually functions in society.

Simple solution, let those that want to be involved in such programs sign-up for them, I don't give two shits. But don't force people that want nothing to do with it to participate... that's bullshit.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Who pays the hospital costs for the uninsured? No one dares answer that question

The hospitals do, it's a write off.

In that case, Einstein, there is no reason for anyone to have health insurance. Can you spell STUPID?

You are just too stupid to talk to. Dismissed.

You cannot support anything you prattle on about son. That's not dismissing, that's retreating.

Whatever you have to tell yourself to sooth the burn.

Too bad, you were actually able to argue intelligently for a while there.

I thought you wanted to discuss healthcare, my bad, off on spring break?

 

[PredFan]

When you start with a plan vomited up by the Heritage Foundation, and then allow the insurance and big pharma industries to lobby at the discussion table and sodomize the public with "draft" legislation, "the people" simply do not matter.

I would have preferred straight tax credits to invividuals who didn't have coverage to Obamacare. But Obamacare was a positive step. It's aim was to increase care, not simply enrich insurance companies.

The gop's present plan is not a total back up to where it was in 2008. but it chooses to cut millionaries taxes to provide less support to for HC.

Obamacare was far from a positive step. It was a step that was designed to fail from the get go. It was supposed to lead us to socialized medicine and that is a step in the wrong direction.

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries

Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

MMS: Error

Health outcomes report cards, by country

Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

World Health Organization ranking of health systems in 2000 - Wikipedia

US health outcomes far worse than other comparable nations, report finds

Hey! We're in the top 10! Considering how skewed the WHO survey is, that's surprising.

I'm not surprised you couldn't make your way through the material.

Seen it all before. As I said, the numbers are skewed purposely by the WHO. I'm surprised we were that high. Last time they had us at something like #30.

 

[Siete]

It increased the number of people insured. It decreased providers delivering service to uninsured and costing it to others.

Your objection to Obamacare is ideological, and not based upon results. I'd have preferred direct tax credits to uninsured, but that wasn't the way it went. But anyway you look at the gops proposal is cuts people getting services and cuts taxes on the wealthiest 2%. If that's your ideology, fine.

It increased the number of people insured because it was mandated, that's not freedom and that is wrong. And it also increased the number because it gave away free healthcare to the poor, that is also wrong because others were forced to pay for it. Any way you look at Obamacare it is a failure.

I would have preferred that Obamacare get repealed and not replaced. I don't like this RINOcare any more than Obamacare.

Do you realize that these uninsured that come as a result of dropping the mandate and cutting medicare will only result in more sick uninsured people going to the emergency room and the tax payers fronting the bill for the costs? There is a smarter way to spend our money and it should be pretty obvious to you that the more people who have health insurance the better off everybody is.

In your scenario, no hospital or medical practice could survive. So how did they make it before His Highness Obama came on the scene?

Our system's been fucked up ever since it went for profit, other nations have figured out how to deal with healthcare on a national level that works much better than ours for less cost. Our predatory "capitalist" elites have decided we will do what wrings more profit out of the system for them rather than embrace what works in a globally competitive society for all. It's just who we are.

Well, you progressives keep your socialized medicine to yourself leave the rest of us out of it. Our participation is not needed...

yo, dip.

now the GOP'rs give tax credits in their big plan ... the fucking Government pays for tax credits, YOU pay for the Government with your tax dollars.. YOUR participation is STILL mandatory, you're just too fucking stupid to know it.

 

[Fenton Lum]

The CBO is the only agency that scores legislation. Saying that another group would score it differently has NO bearing on the process in Congress.

I wasn't being specific. I was expressing a point. No two groups are going to come up with the same results over something like that.

Because there is no common cause or fabric of society in america, predation and angling is the nature of both our political and economic system. America is still basically a colonial wealth extraction paradigm feeding off of any society it rules over.

You can't force socialist entitlement programs on people in a civilization and expect them to be happy about it, or be able to afford it, or want anything to do with it.

I don't see that many folks happy about this system that has been forced upon them, or we wouldn't even be having this conversation in society. You're hung up on a name, and what you call it is more important to you than how it actually functions in society.

Simple solution, let those that want to be involved in such programs sign-up for them, I don't give two shits. But don't force people that want nothing to do with it to participate... that's bullshit.

We already do that every single day in america. So there must be some other issue. Like I say, keep on doing what we're doing. Sometimes you have to watch things hit bottom, I got time.

 

[Slade3200]

It increased the number of people insured. It decreased providers delivering service to uninsured and costing it to others.

Your objection to Obamacare is ideological, and not based upon results. I'd have preferred direct tax credits to uninsured, but that wasn't the way it went. But anyway you look at the gops proposal is cuts people getting services and cuts taxes on the wealthiest 2%. If that's your ideology, fine.

It increased the number of people insured because it was mandated, that's not freedom and that is wrong. And it also increased the number because it gave away free healthcare to the poor, that is also wrong because others were forced to pay for it. Any way you look at Obamacare it is a failure.

I would have preferred that Obamacare get repealed and not replaced. I don't like this RINOcare any more than Obamacare.

Do you realize that these uninsured that come as a result of dropping the mandate and cutting medicare will only result in more sick uninsured people going to the emergency room and the tax payers fronting the bill for the costs? There is a smarter way to spend our money and it should be pretty obvious to you that the more people who have health insurance the better off everybody is.

In your scenario, no hospital or medical practice could survive. So how did they make it before His Highness Obama came on the scene?

Our system's been fucked up ever since it went for profit, other nations have figured out how to deal with healthcare on a national level that works much better than ours for less cost. Our predatory "capitalist" elites have decided we will do what wrings more profit out of the system for them rather than embrace what works in a globally competitive society for all. It's just who we are.

Well, you progressives keep your socialized medicine to yourself leave the rest of us out of it. Our participation is not needed...

Your participation is used to cover Emergency room costs for the uninsured whether you like it or not. Don't even try to lobby for cutting that off like I know you are tempted to do. It just isn't going to happen so lets keep this conversation in the realm of reality.

 

[Fenton Lum]

I would have preferred straight tax credits to invividuals who didn't have coverage to Obamacare. But Obamacare was a positive step. It's aim was to increase care, not simply enrich insurance companies.

The gop's present plan is not a total back up to where it was in 2008. but it chooses to cut millionaries taxes to provide less support to for HC.

Obamacare was far from a positive step. It was a step that was designed to fail from the get go. It was supposed to lead us to socialized medicine and that is a step in the wrong direction.

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries

Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

MMS: Error

Health outcomes report cards, by country

Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

World Health Organization ranking of health systems in 2000 - Wikipedia

US health outcomes far worse than other comparable nations, report finds

Hey! We're in the top 10! Considering how skewed the WHO survey is, that's surprising.

I'm not surprised you couldn't make your way through the material.

Seen it all before. As I said, the numbers are skewed purposely by the WHO. I'm surprised we were that high. Last time they had us at something like #30.

I would expect nothing other than this from you, the post was for other eyes, you just don't deal with anything outside your rigid belief system reverend.

 

[Rustic]

It increased the number of people insured because it was mandated, that's not freedom and that is wrong. And it also increased the number because it gave away free healthcare to the poor, that is also wrong because others were forced to pay for it. Any way you look at Obamacare it is a failure.

I would have preferred that Obamacare get repealed and not replaced. I don't like this RINOcare any more than Obamacare.

Do you realize that these uninsured that come as a result of dropping the mandate and cutting medicare will only result in more sick uninsured people going to the emergency room and the tax payers fronting the bill for the costs? There is a smarter way to spend our money and it should be pretty obvious to you that the more people who have health insurance the better off everybody is.

In your scenario, no hospital or medical practice could survive. So how did they make it before His Highness Obama came on the scene?

Our system's been fucked up ever since it went for profit, other nations have figured out how to deal with healthcare on a national level that works much better than ours for less cost. Our predatory "capitalist" elites have decided we will do what wrings more profit out of the system for them rather than embrace what works in a globally competitive society for all. It's just who we are.

Well, you progressives keep your socialized medicine to yourself leave the rest of us out of it. Our participation is not needed...

yo, dip.

now the GOP'rs give tax credits in their big plan ... the fucking Government pays for tax credits, YOU pay for the Government with your tax dollars.. YOUR participation is STILL mandatory, you're just too fucking stupid to know it.

Government has no claim to taxes, because it is taxation without representation. Like a said people are being forced into a socialist entitlement programs that want nothing to do with them.
Simple fix would be an "opt in"... basically a sign up if you want to be a part of it fine, I don't give two shits. But no one should be forced into the bullshit

 

[Rustic]

It increased the number of people insured because it was mandated, that's not freedom and that is wrong. And it also increased the number because it gave away free healthcare to the poor, that is also wrong because others were forced to pay for it. Any way you look at Obamacare it is a failure.

I would have preferred that Obamacare get repealed and not replaced. I don't like this RINOcare any more than Obamacare.

Do you realize that these uninsured that come as a result of dropping the mandate and cutting medicare will only result in more sick uninsured people going to the emergency room and the tax payers fronting the bill for the costs? There is a smarter way to spend our money and it should be pretty obvious to you that the more people who have health insurance the better off everybody is.

In your scenario, no hospital or medical practice could survive. So how did they make it before His Highness Obama came on the scene?

Our system's been fucked up ever since it went for profit, other nations have figured out how to deal with healthcare on a national level that works much better than ours for less cost. Our predatory "capitalist" elites have decided we will do what wrings more profit out of the system for them rather than embrace what works in a globally competitive society for all. It's just who we are.

Well, you progressives keep your socialized medicine to yourself leave the rest of us out of it. Our participation is not needed...

Your participation is used to cover Emergency room costs for the uninsured whether you like it or not. Don't even try to lobby for cutting that off like I know you are tempted to do. It just isn't going to happen so lets keep this conversation in the realm of reality.

Responsible people pay for their own shit, fucked up socialists expect other people to pay for their shit...

 

[PredFan]

Obamacare was far from a positive step. It was a step that was designed to fail from the get go. It was supposed to lead us to socialized medicine and that is a step in the wrong direction.

Thats another talking point that is not true... While Obama may have originally wanted single payer it is ridiculous to think the ACA was written to fail. Through the ACA millions of people received healthcare. Lives were saved. That is a fact.

Costs did go up and options went down which are problems that need work.

It's the absolute truth.

Its a cheap talking point and scare tactic to degrade single payer. Anybody with a brain knows that creating a failing progressive healthcare plan does not lead to a double down on progressive ideology or single payer... it leads to a change of power and a replacement from an opposing ideological policy, which is exactly what is happening. There is no way that was Obamas intent... The facts that are right in front of your face prove your theory wrong.

It absolutely does. Obamacare was designed solely to establish yet another entitlement. THe dems know that once an entitlement is established, it's virtually impossible to get rid of. It was designed to fail after establishing that entitlement so that to "fix the problems" we would eventually go to single payer. It's the truth. You may not like to hear it, but it's the truth.

Not even close dude... The R's have proposed a full repeal bill multiple times and now that they are in the drivers seat they propose this crap bill. You all have the power to repeal and take away the entitlement if you want. You were elected and you have numbers. Not impossible... Very doable. And if it is the best thing to do for our country then the results will reflect it.

Wow! Thanks for making my point for me. The entitlement is here to stay.

The GOP only proposed full repeal because they knew it would get vetoed by Obama. When they actually had the opportunity to foot they won't. Why? Because the are spineless bastards who fear a backlash from voters for taking away an ENTITLEMENT. The left knew this, that's why Obamacare was designed to fail. Back in 2009, few Americans would accept socialized medicine, it's still true today. But as long as this entitlement exists, we are stead fast on the road to it.

Understand?

 

[Siete]

Do you realize that these uninsured that come as a result of dropping the mandate and cutting medicare will only result in more sick uninsured people going to the emergency room and the tax payers fronting the bill for the costs? There is a smarter way to spend our money and it should be pretty obvious to you that the more people who have health insurance the better off everybody is.

In your scenario, no hospital or medical practice could survive. So how did they make it before His Highness Obama came on the scene?

Our system's been fucked up ever since it went for profit, other nations have figured out how to deal with healthcare on a national level that works much better than ours for less cost. Our predatory "capitalist" elites have decided we will do what wrings more profit out of the system for them rather than embrace what works in a globally competitive society for all. It's just who we are.

Well, you progressives keep your socialized medicine to yourself leave the rest of us out of it. Our participation is not needed...

yo, dip.

now the GOP'rs give tax credits in their big plan ... the fucking Government pays for tax credits, YOU pay for the Government with your tax dollars.. YOUR participation is STILL mandatory, you're just too fucking stupid to know it.

Government has no claim to taxes, because it is taxation without representation. Like a said people are being forced into a socialist entitlement programs that want nothing to do with them.
Simple fix would be an "opt in"... basically a sign up if you want to be a part of it fine, I don't give two shits. But no one should be forced into the bullshit

like I said, youre too dumb to know it.