Sooo...obama isn't prosecuting straw gun buyers either...why is that?

[2aguy]

So.....federal prosecutions for gun crimes are down over 30%......now I find out they aren't prosecuting the straw buyers that left wing, anti-gun nuts bitch about.....and who are the big source for illegal guns going to felons...who are already on lists that ban them from owning guns...

Conservative for Gun Control, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

Several years ago, the U.S. Attorney for Northern Illinois — the federal prosecutor responsible for Chicago — announced that, as a matter of policy, his office would not be pursuing prosecutions in most cases involving “straw buyers,” the clean faces who use their unblemished records to purchase firearms on behalf of convicted criminals and others prohibited from legally purchasing firearms.

These cases are lots of work and generally don’t ensnare big-time criminals, but rather the idiot nephews, girlfriends, and grandmothers of big-time criminals.

Putting those people in federal penitentiaries for ten years isn’t going to win anybody any friends.

But they are the people who render our current background-check laws ineffective against the criminals who have turned parts of Chicago into a free-fire zone.

Putting a few dozen of them away for a few dozen years might provide a strong disincentive for other would-be straw buyers, particularly those who (as is not uncommon) engage in straw buying as a commercial endeavor.

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It isn’t just the federal authorities. In most of our states, including those with the cities suffering the most from violent crime, the ratio of illegal guns seized to gun cases prosecuted demonstrates just how unseriously these crimes are treated almost everywhere, New York being the notable exception.

Read more at: Conservative for Gun Control, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

Read more at: Conservative for Gun Control, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

So.....federal prosecutions for gun crimes are down over 30%......now I find out they aren't prosecuting the straw buyers that left wing, anti-gun nuts bitch about.....and who are the big source for illegal guns going to felons...who are already on lists that ban them from owning guns...

Conservative for Gun Control, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

Several years ago, the U.S. Attorney for Northern Illinois — the federal prosecutor responsible for Chicago — announced that, as a matter of policy, his office would not be pursuing prosecutions in most cases involving “straw buyers,” the clean faces who use their unblemished records to purchase firearms on behalf of convicted criminals and others prohibited from legally purchasing firearms.

These cases are lots of work and generally don’t ensnare big-time criminals, but rather the idiot nephews, girlfriends, and grandmothers of big-time criminals.

Putting those people in federal penitentiaries for ten years isn’t going to win anybody any friends.

But they are the people who render our current background-check laws ineffective against the criminals who have turned parts of Chicago into a free-fire zone.

Putting a few dozen of them away for a few dozen years might provide a strong disincentive for other would-be straw buyers, particularly those who (as is not uncommon) engage in straw buying as a commercial endeavor.

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It isn’t just the federal authorities. In most of our states, including those with the cities suffering the most from violent crime, the ratio of illegal guns seized to gun cases prosecuted demonstrates just how unseriously these crimes are treated almost everywhere, New York being the notable exception.

Read more at: Conservative for Gun Control, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

Read more at: Conservative for Gun Control, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

He would have to lock up a lot of his brothas..that wouldn't look too good for Obama politically.

 

[2aguy]

And here is the real problem....and it isn't guns...


These killers and future killers are on the street committing their crimes because our criminal-justice system, with its vast resources, does not do its job. The police, the prosecutors, the jailers, and the parole-and-probation authorities all must answer for the fact that such a large share of our murders are committed by people already well known to law enforcement.

Read more at: Conservative for Gun Control, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

 

[TheOldSchool]

As long as a court can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that you knew the guy you were selling a gun to is a felon, then you're good to go. In almost all states, background checks are not required for private sales.

 

[2aguy]

As long as a court can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that you knew the guy you were selling a gun to is a felon, then you're good to go. In almost all states, background checks are not required for private sales.

Yep...but that isn't where felons are getting their guns...they are getting them from straw buyers getting them in licensed gun stores.....and they would get around background checks for the few private sales the same way they get around background checks for sales at licensed gun dealers.....

So your whole point is...well....pointless...

 

[2aguy]

As long as a court can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that you knew the guy you were selling a gun to is a felon, then you're good to go. In almost all states, background checks are not required for private sales.

And here we have the truth....again...it isn't guns...it is our law enforcement establishment at all levels....

The massacre in Orlando is horrifying, but the great majority of our murders are nothing like that. They are the ordinary work of ordinary criminals, who in most cases (more than 90 percent in New York City) already are known to police, as indeed was Omar Mateen. These killers and future killers are on the street committing their crimes because our criminal-justice system, with its vast resources, does not do its job. The police, the prosecutors, the jailers, and the parole-and-probation authorities all must answer for the fact that such a large share of our murders are committed by people already well known to law enforcement.

Read more at: Conservative for Gun Control, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

 

[TheOldSchool]

As long as a court can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that you knew the guy you were selling a gun to is a felon, then you're good to go. In almost all states, background checks are not required for private sales.

Yep...but that isn't where felons are getting their guns...they are getting them from straw buyers getting them in licensed gun stores.....and they would get around background checks for the few private sales the same way they get around background checks for sales at licensed gun dealers.....

So your whole point is...well....pointless...

Straw purchases are perfectly legal as long as you act like it was a sale and deny that you had any idea the buyer was a felon. Remember a thread you posted a while back about a guy who bought 40+ guns for a felon and then told police about it? You praised him as a hero. Whatever happened to that guy?

 

[TheOldSchool]

As long as a court can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that you knew the guy you were selling a gun to is a felon, then you're good to go. In almost all states, background checks are not required for private sales.

And here we have the truth....again...it isn't guns...it is our law enforcement establishment at all levels....

The massacre in Orlando is horrifying, but the great majority of our murders are nothing like that. They are the ordinary work of ordinary criminals, who in most cases (more than 90 percent in New York City) already are known to police, as indeed was Omar Mateen. These killers and future killers are on the street committing their crimes because our criminal-justice system, with its vast resources, does not do its job. The police, the prosecutors, the jailers, and the parole-and-probation authorities all must answer for the fact that such a large share of our murders are committed by people already well known to law enforcement.

Read more at: Conservative for Gun Control, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

Yes we must defend the right of people on the FBI terror watch list to purchase arms

 

[2aguy]

As long as a court can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that you knew the guy you were selling a gun to is a felon, then you're good to go. In almost all states, background checks are not required for private sales.

And here we have the truth....again...it isn't guns...it is our law enforcement establishment at all levels....

The massacre in Orlando is horrifying, but the great majority of our murders are nothing like that. They are the ordinary work of ordinary criminals, who in most cases (more than 90 percent in New York City) already are known to police, as indeed was Omar Mateen. These killers and future killers are on the street committing their crimes because our criminal-justice system, with its vast resources, does not do its job. The police, the prosecutors, the jailers, and the parole-and-probation authorities all must answer for the fact that such a large share of our murders are committed by people already well known to law enforcement.

Read more at: Conservative for Gun Control, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

Yes we must defend the right of people on the FBI terror watch list to purchase arms

you mean the secret government list that no one knows how you get on it.....who puts you on it....or how you can clear your name.....if you can even find out that you are actually on the list....since it is.....you know....secret.

 

[2aguy]

As long as a court can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that you knew the guy you were selling a gun to is a felon, then you're good to go. In almost all states, background checks are not required for private sales.

Yep...but that isn't where felons are getting their guns...they are getting them from straw buyers getting them in licensed gun stores.....and they would get around background checks for the few private sales the same way they get around background checks for sales at licensed gun dealers.....

So your whole point is...well....pointless...

Straw purchases are perfectly legal as long as you act like it was a sale and deny that you had any idea the buyer was a felon. Remember a thread you posted a while back about a guy who bought 40+ guns for a felon and then told police about it? You praised him as a hero. Whatever happened to that guy?

no...you are wrong...again.....straw purchases are illegal....a straw purchase is knowingly buying a gun for someone who is banned from buying a gun........felons, illegal immigrants and the adjudicated mentally ill.......it is completely illegal.....so if they stop a felon and catch him with a gun.....the felon tells them you sold them the gun...they do police work, and you go to jail....

We already have laws that allow us to do that.....and as the article points out.....when we catch these guys...for some reason obama's U.S. attorneys are not prosecuting them....


So again, you are wrong....we are catching these people with current laws and police techniques....but the guy bitching the most about gun shows and gun dealers is not putting gun criminals in Jail.....

Why is that?

 

[TheOldSchool]

As long as a court can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that you knew the guy you were selling a gun to is a felon, then you're good to go. In almost all states, background checks are not required for private sales.

Yep...but that isn't where felons are getting their guns...they are getting them from straw buyers getting them in licensed gun stores.....and they would get around background checks for the few private sales the same way they get around background checks for sales at licensed gun dealers.....

So your whole point is...well....pointless...

Straw purchases are perfectly legal as long as you act like it was a sale and deny that you had any idea the buyer was a felon. Remember a thread you posted a while back about a guy who bought 40+ guns for a felon and then told police about it? You praised him as a hero. Whatever happened to that guy?

no...you are wrong...again.....straw purchases are illegal....a straw purchase is knowingly buying a gun for someone who is banned from buying a gun........felons, illegal immigrants and the adjudicated mentally ill.......it is completely illegal.....so if they stop a felon and catch him with a gun.....the felon tells them you sold them the gun...they do police work, and you go to jail....

We already have laws that allow us to do that.....and as the article points out.....when we catch these guys...for some reason obama's U.S. attorneys are not prosecuting them....


So again, you are wrong....we are catching these people with current laws and police techniques....but the guy bitching the most about gun shows and gun dealers is not putting gun criminals in Jail.....

Why is that?

"Knowingly"

 

[2aguy]

As long as a court can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that you knew the guy you were selling a gun to is a felon, then you're good to go. In almost all states, background checks are not required for private sales.

Yep...but that isn't where felons are getting their guns...they are getting them from straw buyers getting them in licensed gun stores.....and they would get around background checks for the few private sales the same way they get around background checks for sales at licensed gun dealers.....

So your whole point is...well....pointless...

Straw purchases are perfectly legal as long as you act like it was a sale and deny that you had any idea the buyer was a felon. Remember a thread you posted a while back about a guy who bought 40+ guns for a felon and then told police about it? You praised him as a hero. Whatever happened to that guy?

Here you go.....notice.....again, you are just wrong.....they caught the guy without universal background checks.....without registering any guns and without licensing gun owners.....they used police work...now this guy will walk, probably, with a light sentence because obama's U.S. attorney will let him walk....again....private sales aren't the issue...prosecuting the actual criminal is...

Felon acquired 40+ guns for resell

 

[2aguy]

As long as a court can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that you knew the guy you were selling a gun to is a felon, then you're good to go. In almost all states, background checks are not required for private sales.

Yep...but that isn't where felons are getting their guns...they are getting them from straw buyers getting them in licensed gun stores.....and they would get around background checks for the few private sales the same way they get around background checks for sales at licensed gun dealers.....

So your whole point is...well....pointless...

Straw purchases are perfectly legal as long as you act like it was a sale and deny that you had any idea the buyer was a felon. Remember a thread you posted a while back about a guy who bought 40+ guns for a felon and then told police about it? You praised him as a hero. Whatever happened to that guy?

no...you are wrong...again.....straw purchases are illegal....a straw purchase is knowingly buying a gun for someone who is banned from buying a gun........felons, illegal immigrants and the adjudicated mentally ill.......it is completely illegal.....so if they stop a felon and catch him with a gun.....the felon tells them you sold them the gun...they do police work, and you go to jail....

We already have laws that allow us to do that.....and as the article points out.....when we catch these guys...for some reason obama's U.S. attorneys are not prosecuting them....


So again, you are wrong....we are catching these people with current laws and police techniques....but the guy bitching the most about gun shows and gun dealers is not putting gun criminals in Jail.....

Why is that?

"Knowingly"

yep...and then, using police techniques they set them up and do a sting....like they do for every other crime....and they don't need universal background checks to do it....

 

[TheOldSchool]

As long as a court can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that you knew the guy you were selling a gun to is a felon, then you're good to go. In almost all states, background checks are not required for private sales.

Yep...but that isn't where felons are getting their guns...they are getting them from straw buyers getting them in licensed gun stores.....and they would get around background checks for the few private sales the same way they get around background checks for sales at licensed gun dealers.....

So your whole point is...well....pointless...

Straw purchases are perfectly legal as long as you act like it was a sale and deny that you had any idea the buyer was a felon. Remember a thread you posted a while back about a guy who bought 40+ guns for a felon and then told police about it? You praised him as a hero. Whatever happened to that guy?

Here you go.....notice.....again, you are just wrong.....they caught the guy without universal background checks.....without registering any guns and without licensing gun owners.....they used police work...now this guy will walk, probably, with a light sentence because obama's U.S. attorney will let him walk....again....private sales aren't the issue...prosecuting the actual criminal is...

Felon acquired 40+ guns for resell

Yeah that guy. What happened to the person who sold those 40+ guns to the felon?

 

[2aguy]

Notice.......a police undercover agent......not universal background checks...

A 32-year-old Chicago man was indicted on federal gun charges last week, about three months after buying two firearms from an undercover agent, the Justice Department said Thursday.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Notice.......a police undercover agent......not universal background checks...

A 32-year-old Chicago man was indicted on federal gun charges last week, about three months after buying two firearms from an undercover agent, the Justice Department said Thursday.

Yeah they were tipped off by a guy who had sold the felon 40+ guns. What happened to that guy? And do you think they would have caught the felon without that guy's tip?

 

[2aguy]

As long as a court can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that you knew the guy you were selling a gun to is a felon, then you're good to go. In almost all states, background checks are not required for private sales.

Yep...but that isn't where felons are getting their guns...they are getting them from straw buyers getting them in licensed gun stores.....and they would get around background checks for the few private sales the same way they get around background checks for sales at licensed gun dealers.....

So your whole point is...well....pointless...

Straw purchases are perfectly legal as long as you act like it was a sale and deny that you had any idea the buyer was a felon. Remember a thread you posted a while back about a guy who bought 40+ guns for a felon and then told police about it? You praised him as a hero. Whatever happened to that guy?

Here you go.....notice.....again, you are just wrong.....they caught the guy without universal background checks.....without registering any guns and without licensing gun owners.....they used police work...now this guy will walk, probably, with a light sentence because obama's U.S. attorney will let him walk....again....private sales aren't the issue...prosecuting the actual criminal is...

Felon acquired 40+ guns for resell

Yeah that guy. What happened to the person who sold those 40+ guns to the felon?

You could submit a FOIA request to the Department of Justice.....

Federal authorities began working the informant in December and set up the undercover sale in January.

 

[2aguy]

Notice.......a police undercover agent......not universal background checks...

A 32-year-old Chicago man was indicted on federal gun charges last week, about three months after buying two firearms from an undercover agent, the Justice Department said Thursday.

Yeah they were tipped off by a guy who had sold the felon 40+ guns. What happened to that guy? And do you think they would have caught the felon without that guy's tip?

They caught the guy with that guys tip.....twit.....exactly what they are supposed to do...notice....background checks would not have stopped him...since he fucking knew he was selling to a felon......right? So the background check didn't matter.....even if it was universal.......

 

[TheOldSchool]

As long as a court can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that you knew the guy you were selling a gun to is a felon, then you're good to go. In almost all states, background checks are not required for private sales.

Yep...but that isn't where felons are getting their guns...they are getting them from straw buyers getting them in licensed gun stores.....and they would get around background checks for the few private sales the same way they get around background checks for sales at licensed gun dealers.....

So your whole point is...well....pointless...

Straw purchases are perfectly legal as long as you act like it was a sale and deny that you had any idea the buyer was a felon. Remember a thread you posted a while back about a guy who bought 40+ guns for a felon and then told police about it? You praised him as a hero. Whatever happened to that guy?

Here you go.....notice.....again, you are just wrong.....they caught the guy without universal background checks.....without registering any guns and without licensing gun owners.....they used police work...now this guy will walk, probably, with a light sentence because obama's U.S. attorney will let him walk....again....private sales aren't the issue...prosecuting the actual criminal is...

Felon acquired 40+ guns for resell

Yeah that guy. What happened to the person who sold those 40+ guns to the felon?

You could submit a FOIA request to the Department of Justice.....

Federal authorities began working the informant in December and set up the undercover sale in January.

I don't need to. That guy went to the police after he'd made his money, and helped them nab a felon they NEVER would have caught if he hadn't suddenly felt guilty about it. He's most likely walking around free, since all he had to do was deny knowledge that his buyer was a felon.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Notice.......a police undercover agent......not universal background checks...

A 32-year-old Chicago man was indicted on federal gun charges last week, about three months after buying two firearms from an undercover agent, the Justice Department said Thursday.

Yeah they were tipped off by a guy who had sold the felon 40+ guns. What happened to that guy? And do you think they would have caught the felon without that guy's tip?

They caught the guy with that guys tip.....twit.....exactly what they are supposed to do...notice....background checks would not have stopped him...since he fucking knew he was selling to a felon......right? So the background check didn't matter.....even if it was universal.......

Soooo.... they got lucky. Yes 2aguy. Let's rely on luck. It's worked so well for the 1600 plus dead people in Chicago this year.