Stark differences between Ukraine-russia peace proposals between US and Europe

[JimH52]

https://www.reuters.com/world/documents-show-differences-over-us-peace-drive-ukraine-2025-04-25/

DIFFERENCES
On territory, the Witkoff proposals called for legal U.S. recognition of Russia's control over Crimea, the Ukrainian peninsula Moscow seized and annexed in 2014, plus de facto recognition of Russia's hold on areas of southern and eastern Ukraine that Moscow's forces control.

In contrast, the European and Ukrainian document defers detailed discussion about territory until after a ceasefire is concluded, with no mention in the document of recognising Russian control over any Ukrainian territory.


The basic differencisreally is, trump wants to give Putin whatever he wants while Europe knows he cannot be trusted. But who is surprised a man who is threatening to deport US citizens is such a pal to a murdering dictator?

 

[jbrownson0831]

https://www.reuters.com/world/documents-show-differences-over-us-peace-drive-ukraine-2025-04-25/

DIFFERENCES
On territory, the Witkoff proposals called for legal U.S. recognition of Russia's control over Crimea, the Ukrainian peninsula Moscow seized and annexed in 2014, plus de facto recognition of Russia's hold on areas of southern and eastern Ukraine that Moscow's forces control.

In contrast, the European and Ukrainian document defers detailed discussion about territory until after a ceasefire is concluded, with no mention in the document of recognising Russian control over any Ukrainian territory.


The basic differencisreally is, trump wants to give Putin whatever he wants while Europe knows he cannot be trusted. But who is surprised a man who is threatening to deport US citizens is such a pal to a murdering dictator?

Wrong again, jimboliar.
Illegals aren't citizens in our country, how about yours?

 

[Donald H]

The difference is, Trump understands that America has been defeated in it's war against Russia and he wants to get out of it looking like he's a winner with a peace settlement.

This i a no-brainer.

 

[kyzr]

DIFFERENCES
On territory, the Witkoff proposals called for legal U.S. recognition of Russia's control over Crimea, the Ukrainian peninsula Moscow seized and annexed in 2014, plus de facto recognition of Russia's hold on areas of southern and eastern Ukraine that Moscow's forces control.

In contrast, the European and Ukrainian document defers detailed discussion about territory until after a ceasefire is concluded, with no mention in the document of recognising Russian control over any Ukrainian territory.

The basic difference is really is, trump wants to give Putin whatever he wants while Europe knows he cannot be trusted. But who is surprised a man who is threatening to deport US citizens is such a pal to a murdering dictator?

Trump gave peace a chance and both sides refused it. Now Trump is moving on, but with less US aid to Ukraine.
Since the EU wants to play "tough guy" with Putin, now is their chance. Lets see how they do.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Trump gave peace a chance and both sides refused it. Now Trump is moving on, but with less US aid to Ukraine.
Since the EU wants to play "tough guy" with Putin, now is their chance. Lets see how they do.

NO, he didn't.
Sure a "peace" deal that gave up mineral rights to the US and land to Russia?

What was Russia willing to give up?

 

[kyzr]

NO, he didn't.

Yes Trump gave peace a chance, but both sides refused it.

Sure a "peace" deal that gave up mineral rights to the US and land to Russia?
What was Russia willing to give up?

Russia is giving up the rest of Ukraine. Putin originally wanted ALL of Ukraine.
But since Zelensky thinks he can get Crimea back he said "no" to a ceasefire.
Trump and Zelensky did not sign the mineral deal.
Now we can see how the EU does trying to end the war.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Yes Trump gave peace a chance, but both sides refused it.

Too funny.

Russia is giving up the rest of Ukraine. Putin originally wanted ALL of Ukraine.

He still does.

But since Zelensky thinks he can get Crimea back he said "no" to a ceasefire.
Trump and Zelensky did not sign the mineral deal.

Of course not, who would?

Now we can see how the EU does trying to end the war.

 

[kyzr]

Too funny.

what's funny? Rubio tried but both sides refused a peace deal. So keep fighting and dying.

He still does.

Yes, but he was stopped from taking all of Ukraine.

Of course not, who would?

Getting US mining companies in Ukraine is consequential. It would come with "NATO" peacekeepers.

 

[Independent thinker]

https://www.reuters.com/world/documents-show-differences-over-us-peace-drive-ukraine-2025-04-25/

DIFFERENCES
On territory, the Witkoff proposals called for legal U.S. recognition of Russia's control over Crimea, the Ukrainian peninsula Moscow seized and annexed in 2014, plus de facto recognition of Russia's hold on areas of southern and eastern Ukraine that Moscow's forces control.

In contrast, the European and Ukrainian document defers detailed discussion about territory until after a ceasefire is concluded, with no mention in the document of recognising Russian control over any Ukrainian territory.


The basic differencisreally is, trump wants to give Putin whatever he wants while Europe knows he cannot be trusted. But who is surprised a man who is threatening to deport US citizens is such a pal to a murdering dictator?

One thing that makes no sense is that Crimea has been part of Russia since Obama let Russia annex it. So, if Ukraine and the world cede Crimea to Russia, they are only giving Russia something that was already theirs in the first place.