Statistical Lies And Semantic Misrepresentations

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Mark Twain famously noted that there are “lies, damned lies, and statistics.”

The reason why statistical lies are insidious is that they are “true” in one sense, but are intended to convey a message that is substantially false. Thus, you can’t actually call them “lies,” even though they carry all of the weight of a lie, being intended to convey a message that is false.

Democrat politicians have grown so used to employing such prevarical techniques, and a compliant media perpetually passes on these falsehoods to a gullible public, that it is necessary, I think, to occasionally point out the reasons WHY they are false, just to maintain my sanity. Here are a few of the main statistical manipulations:

“…average wages are stagnant or falling…” This statement gives the impression that PEOPLES’ wages are falling, which is not generally the case. If I employ 10 people at $20/hour, then hire two newbies at $12/hour, the average wage in my company falls from $20/hr to $18.67/hr, but no one’s pay has actually been reduced. And so it is with the economy. Younger workers are replacing older ones who are retiring, so the AVERAGE WAGE will go down. It DOESN’T mean that anyone’s actual wages are reduced.

“…worker’s wages are not keeping pace with productivity increases…” This one is very popular with Our Beloved President who sees it as an indication of the economy’s “unfairness.” But productivity increases rarely have anything to do with anyone actually working harder. If I employ four guys with picks and shovels to dig ditches for me, then replace them with a guy operating a backhoe, one worker can now do the work of four. But is the backhoe operator working harder than he was last week with a pick and shovel? Hardly. His work is dramatically easier, and yet his “productivity” has increased by 300%. Does he deserve a raise from $15/hr to $60…to keep pace with his increase in productivity? Of course not. And there is nothing “unfair” about paying him according to what backhoe operators make generally in the local economy.

“…the economy generated 200,000 (or whatever number) new jobs last month…” This statistic is worse than meaningless, without additional information. First of all, the economy REQUIRES 200+ thousand new jobs every month, just to keep pace with new people entering the workforce. Thus, there is no positive impact unless the number is much greater than 200 thousand (which has been the pattern for “recovery periods” until the current non-recovery recovery). Second, this number INCLUDES PART TIME JOBS, which is ridiculous. The meaningful number would be based on what personnel types call, “FTE’s” or full-time equivalents. Without knowing the composition of those 200 thousand jobs and putting it into context, the number is an intentional deception, and it is currently used to sell the fiction that the economy is improving under Our Beloved President.

“…all of the wage increases are going to the people at the top…” This is just a rehash of the old statistics that “proved” that the rich were getting richer and the poor were getting poorer (also baloney). These statistics imply that the people in the different statistical groupings ARE THE SAME PEOPLE OVER A PERIOD OF MANY YEARS. But the facts are different. The people in the top quintile or top 5% or top 1% - are largely different people every year, and the same is true for the people at the bottom. The statistics give the false impression that everyone belongs to a permanent class of people who will remain in their present privileged or wretched state for their entire lives. And yet for MOST PEOPLE this is not the case. They spend some time at the bottom and as they get older they move up. Life throws us curveballs from time to time, but generally this is the way it works.

And I’ll make a non-statistical point on a similar-type deception: Note how often politicians and people in the media use terms like “fortunate,” “disadvantaged,” and “privileged,” when they are referring to people at the ends of the economic spectrum. This is an insidious lie as well. It implies and assumes that the people being referred to have no responsibility for where they are economically, and it’s all a matter of luck. Imagine how people would react if sports reporters described the bottom teams in the league as being, “disadvantaged,” or “under-privileged,” or the league champions as being “fortunate.” Most people at the top are there because of some combination of (1) innate intelligence, (2) hard work, (3) personal sacrifice, and (4) intelligent risk-taking. Doctors make a lot of money because they are very intelligent and hard-working people who spend the first third of their lives working their asses off in order to be licensed physicians. Are the “fortunate” to be in the top couple percent of earners? Are they “privileged” (beyond what they are entitled to)? I don’t think so.

Conversely, most of the people at the bottom of the economic totem pole are there due to a combination of, (a) a relative lack of intelligence, (b) an unwillingness to dedicate themselves to productive employment, (c) a failure to recognize or pursue opportunities in front of them, and (d) horrible life choices (e.g., having children out of wedlock, engaging in illegal or irresponsible activities). In short, everyone is subject to the occasional “bad break,” but that doesn’t explain a life of poverty, on the dole.

Politicians and the media focus on examples that are contrary to the norm – bankers who became rich by exploiting the vulnerable, or engineers who lost their jobs and can’t find new employment – but it is insane to make public policy on the basis of outliers, even if it is politically beneficial.

Finally, a few words about the expression, “hard working.” Democrats mindlessly use the expression to describe political or demographic groups that they like. They talk about Davis Bacon as a law that protects “hard working” construction workers. And yet the people who are harmed by this stupid law – mainly non-union contractor employees, but also the Taxpayers – are they NOT as “hard working” as the union people? Think about it. The opposite is probably true.

It is very discouraging to realize that so many votes in this coming election will be based on false impressions that are the result of these statistical and semantic manipulations and misrepresentations. This phenomenon is largely why our national government and many of the states and local governments are bankrupt – in fact, if not legally.
 
Projection is practiced on both sides of the aisle.

Statistics taken out of context can always be abused. The NRA has been doing it for decades now and are whining because they are being exposed by the CDC and FBI.

So to point a finger at only one side is disingenuous. If you are not prepared to admit to your own failings then your whining will fall on deaf ears.
 
I personally have no failings.

Of course there is cherry-picking of economic data on the Right, but you only see it on Fox News and Townhall.

In every other medium, the story line mirrors the Left's party line.
 
Projection is practiced on both sides of the aisle.

Statistics taken out of context can always be abused. The NRA has been doing it for decades now and are whining because they are being exposed by the CDC and FBI.

So to point a finger at only one side is disingenuous. If you are not prepared to admit to your own failings then your whining will fall on deaf ears.

Oh, like gun grabbers NEVER take statistics out of context.....
 
I personally have no failings.

Of course there is cherry-picking of economic data on the Right, but you only see it on Fox News and Townhall.

In every other medium, the story line mirrors the Left's party line.

In every other medium, the story line mirrors the Left's party line.

:link:
 
Projection is practiced on both sides of the aisle.

Statistics taken out of context can always be abused. The NRA has been doing it for decades now and are whining because they are being exposed by the CDC and FBI.

So to point a finger at only one side is disingenuous. If you are not prepared to admit to your own failings then your whining will fall on deaf ears.

Oh, like gun grabbers NEVER take statistics out of context.....

Which part of "both sides of the aisle" would you like me to explain?
 
Projection is practiced on both sides of the aisle.
This.

The only thing funnier than how much partisanship can cause people to purposely twist statistics is each side believing the opposite is the only one guilty of it.
 
The date cited in the OP is generally correct, but (as the title suggests) it is strongly skewed:

1. When experienced staff is discarded for new staff, wages typically decline--so, yes, average wages do decline, and it is not an artifact of statistics. On a grander scale, this is what happens when American business terminate American workers and hire cheap overseas labor.

2. Worker productivity is actually measured in output per dollars, so nearly everything stated in the OP is rhetoric.

3. The "new jobs created" number is just that--new jobs created. There are other statistics related to employment as well.

4. You really twisted this statistic, but it stands alone--"the rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting poorer." You forgot to mention it is happening at a higher rate, too.

The rest of the OP is just rhetoric based upon one person's life experiences that don't actually apply to everyone else.
 
Projection is practiced on both sides of the aisle.

Statistics taken out of context can always be abused. The NRA has been doing it for decades now and are whining because they are being exposed by the CDC and FBI.

So to point a finger at only one side is disingenuous. If you are not prepared to admit to your own failings then your whining will fall on deaf ears.

Your moral equivalency argument is fallacious, especially when you fail to cite specific examples. Moreover, should not the party in power be held to a stricter standard? The Democrats have lowered their own standards so much that nothing is unacceptable and no one is ever held accountable. Are you comfortable with that?
 
Mark Twain famously noted that there are “lies, damned lies, and statistics.”

The reason why statistical lies are insidious is that they are “true” in one sense, but are intended to convey a message that is substantially false. Thus, you can’t actually call them “lies,” even though they carry all of the weight of a lie, being intended to convey a message that is false.

Democrat politicians have grown so used to employing such prevarical techniques, and a compliant media perpetually passes on these falsehoods to a gullible public, that it is necessary, I think, to occasionally point out the reasons WHY they are false, just to maintain my sanity. Here are a few of the main statistical manipulations:

“…average wages are stagnant or falling…” This statement gives the impression that PEOPLES’ wages are falling, which is not generally the case. If I employ 10 people at $20/hour, then hire two newbies at $12/hour, the average wage in my company falls from $20/hr to $18.67/hr, but no one’s pay has actually been reduced. And so it is with the economy. Younger workers are replacing older ones who are retiring, so the AVERAGE WAGE will go down. It DOESN’T mean that anyone’s actual wages are reduced.

“…worker’s wages are not keeping pace with productivity increases…” This one is very popular with Our Beloved President who sees it as an indication of the economy’s “unfairness.” But productivity increases rarely have anything to do with anyone actually working harder. If I employ four guys with picks and shovels to dig ditches for me, then replace them with a guy operating a backhoe, one worker can now do the work of four. But is the backhoe operator working harder than he was last week with a pick and shovel? Hardly. His work is dramatically easier, and yet his “productivity” has increased by 300%. Does he deserve a raise from $15/hr to $60…to keep pace with his increase in productivity? Of course not. And there is nothing “unfair” about paying him according to what backhoe operators make generally in the local economy.

“…the economy generated 200,000 (or whatever number) new jobs last month…” This statistic is worse than meaningless, without additional information. First of all, the economy REQUIRES 200+ thousand new jobs every month, just to keep pace with new people entering the workforce. Thus, there is no positive impact unless the number is much greater than 200 thousand (which has been the pattern for “recovery periods” until the current non-recovery recovery). Second, this number INCLUDES PART TIME JOBS, which is ridiculous. The meaningful number would be based on what personnel types call, “FTE’s” or full-time equivalents. Without knowing the composition of those 200 thousand jobs and putting it into context, the number is an intentional deception, and it is currently used to sell the fiction that the economy is improving under Our Beloved President.

“…all of the wage increases are going to the people at the top…” This is just a rehash of the old statistics that “proved” that the rich were getting richer and the poor were getting poorer (also baloney). These statistics imply that the people in the different statistical groupings ARE THE SAME PEOPLE OVER A PERIOD OF MANY YEARS. But the facts are different. The people in the top quintile or top 5% or top 1% - are largely different people every year, and the same is true for the people at the bottom. The statistics give the false impression that everyone belongs to a permanent class of people who will remain in their present privileged or wretched state for their entire lives. And yet for MOST PEOPLE this is not the case. They spend some time at the bottom and as they get older they move up. Life throws us curveballs from time to time, but generally this is the way it works.

And I’ll make a non-statistical point on a similar-type deception: Note how often politicians and people in the media use terms like “fortunate,” “disadvantaged,” and “privileged,” when they are referring to people at the ends of the economic spectrum. This is an insidious lie as well. It implies and assumes that the people being referred to have no responsibility for where they are economically, and it’s all a matter of luck. Imagine how people would react if sports reporters described the bottom teams in the league as being, “disadvantaged,” or “under-privileged,” or the league champions as being “fortunate.” Most people at the top are there because of some combination of (1) innate intelligence, (2) hard work, (3) personal sacrifice, and (4) intelligent risk-taking. Doctors make a lot of money because they are very intelligent and hard-working people who spend the first third of their lives working their asses off in order to be licensed physicians. Are the “fortunate” to be in the top couple percent of earners? Are they “privileged” (beyond what they are entitled to)? I don’t think so.

Conversely, most of the people at the bottom of the economic totem pole are there due to a combination of, (a) a relative lack of intelligence, (b) an unwillingness to dedicate themselves to productive employment, (c) a failure to recognize or pursue opportunities in front of them, and (d) horrible life choices (e.g., having children out of wedlock, engaging in illegal or irresponsible activities). In short, everyone is subject to the occasional “bad break,” but that doesn’t explain a life of poverty, on the dole.

Politicians and the media focus on examples that are contrary to the norm – bankers who became rich by exploiting the vulnerable, or engineers who lost their jobs and can’t find new employment – but it is insane to make public policy on the basis of outliers, even if it is politically beneficial.

Finally, a few words about the expression, “hard working.” Democrats mindlessly use the expression to describe political or demographic groups that they like. They talk about Davis Bacon as a law that protects “hard working” construction workers. And yet the people who are harmed by this stupid law – mainly non-union contractor employees, but also the Taxpayers – are they NOT as “hard working” as the union people? Think about it. The opposite is probably true.

It is very discouraging to realize that so many votes in this coming election will be based on false impressions that are the result of these statistical and semantic manipulations and misrepresentations. This phenomenon is largely why our national government and many of the states and local governments are bankrupt – in fact, if not legally.


Weird, ONE policy CONSERVATIVES have EVER been on the correct side of history on?


Among the 254 counties where food stamp recipients doubled between 2007 and 2011, Republican Mitt Romney won 213 of them in last year’s presidential election, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data compiled by Bloomberg. Kentucky’s Owsley County, which backed Romney with 81 percent of its vote, has the largest proportion of food stamp recipients among those that he carried.

Food Stamp Cut Backed by Republicans With Voters on Rolls - Bloomberg


Blue States are from Scandinavia, Red States are from Guatemala A theory of a divided nation


In the red states, government is cheaper, which means the people who live there pay lower taxes. But they also get a lot less in return. The unemployment checks run out more quickly and the schools generally aren’t as good. Assistance with health care, child care, and housing is skimpier, if it exists at all. The result of this divergence is that one half of the country looks more and more like Scandinavia, while the other increasingly resembles a social Darwinist’s paradise.

Blue States are from Scandinavia Red States are from Guatemala New Republic


Economy Killer Scott Walker Takes Wisconsin to 49th in the Country

Economy Killer Scott Walker Takes Wisconsin to 49th in the Country

Remember that weird sounding Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia's "Coincident index," a six month prediction of economic growth? It's back, and it looks really bad for the austerity state's run by Republicans. Like Wisconsin and Kansas. Notice liberal tax and spend Minnesota and California's spot on the chart:

With over $2 billion in Wisconsin tax cuts, and Kansas getting rid of their state income tax, you'd think their respective economies would skyrocket. Well supply side economics failed again.

Democurmudgeon Walker predicted to fail in Fed s next 6 month economic Coincident Index. Minnesota s tax and spend policies Shine
 
I personally have no failings.

Of course there is cherry-picking of economic data on the Right, but you only see it on Fox News and Townhall.

In every other medium, the story line mirrors the Left's party line.


Really? So Corp AmeriKa is swayed by the left? lol

Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.

We have been studying Washington politics and Congress for more than 40 years, and never have we seen them this dysfunctional. In our past writings, we have criticized both parties when we believed it was warranted. Today, however, we have no choice but to acknowledge that the core of the problem lies with the Republican Party.

The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.

When one party moves this far from the mainstream, it makes it nearly impossible for the political system to deal constructively with the country’s challenges.

“Both sides do it” or “There is plenty of blame to go around” are the traditional refuges for an American news media intent on proving its lack of bias, while political scientists prefer generality and neutrality when discussing partisan polarization. Many self-styled bipartisan groups, in their search for common ground, propose solutions that move both sides to the center, a strategy that is simply untenable when one side is so far out of reach.

It is clear that the center of gravity in the Republican Party has shifted sharply to the right. Its once-legendary moderate and center-right legislators in the House and the Senate — think Bob Michel, Mickey Edwards, John Danforth, Chuck Hagel — are virtually extinct.
Let s just say it The Republicans are the problem. - The Washington Post
 
Projection is practiced on both sides of the aisle.

Statistics taken out of context can always be abused. The NRA has been doing it for decades now and are whining because they are being exposed by the CDC and FBI.

So to point a finger at only one side is disingenuous. If you are not prepared to admit to your own failings then your whining will fall on deaf ears.

Your moral equivalency argument is fallacious, especially when you fail to cite specific examples. Moreover, should not the party in power be held to a stricter standard? The Democrats have lowered their own standards so much that nothing is unacceptable and no one is ever held accountable. Are you comfortable with that?


Which party is in power? You mean the prez who has had a divided Congress that can't even get 60 votes in the Senate, except for 24 days in 23009 WHILE Dubya's/GOP economy was falling off the cliff?

How did Dubya get held accountable for ignoring repeated 9/11 warnings? His subnprime crisis where he cheered on the Banksters? His giving US to UNFUNDED (cutting spending) tax cuts WHILE he went to war? Iraq?

Ronnie on Iraq Contra?
 
Projection is practiced on both sides of the aisle.

Statistics taken out of context can always be abused. The NRA has been doing it for decades now and are whining because they are being exposed by the CDC and FBI.

So to point a finger at only one side is disingenuous. If you are not prepared to admit to your own failings then your whining will fall on deaf ears.

Your moral equivalency argument is fallacious, especially when you fail to cite specific examples. Moreover, should not the party in power be held to a stricter standard? The Democrats have lowered their own standards so much that nothing is unacceptable and no one is ever held accountable. Are you comfortable with that?

Which part of "both sides of the aisle" do you need explained to you?

Because unless you can prove that only side does it my position stands.

Onus is on you to make your case.
 

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