Stealing From The Taxpayer and the Constitution

[ogibillm]

I would think the interstate was more a necessity

massive interstate system is part of national defense and it took the Nazies to tell us that because of Constitutionalism...

WWII 1914 -1918

The Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways (commonly known as the Interstate Highway System, Interstate Freeway System, Interstate System, or simply the Interstate) is a network of freeways that forms a part of the National Highway System of the United States. The system is named for President Dwight D. Eisenhower, who championed its formation. Construction was authorized by the Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956, and the original portion was completed 35 years later. The network has since been extended, and as of 2012, it had a total length of 47,714 miles (76,788 km),[2] making it the world's second longest after China's. As of 2011, about one-quarter of all vehicle miles driven in the country use the Interstate system.[3] The cost of construction has been estimated at $425 billion (in 2006 dollars).[4]]

So your inference would be that WWI precipitated the Interstate highway system .....

Nothing what-so-ever to with industrial revolution or mass production of automobiles, huh ??

i think you're confused.

 

[rightwinger]

The Constitution is the only document to which the free people of the United States agreed to be governed.
The Constitution. That is why it is called 'the law of the land.'


At one time this was true.
But not since President Franklin Roosevelt.

Here is a tale that compared the two versions of America....before Roosevelt, and since.
This tale took place before that presidency, and so it conformed to the law of the land.




1. "The Erie Canal is a canal in New York that originally ran about 363 miles (584 km) from Albany, New York, on the Hudson River to Buffalo, New York, at Lake Erie. It was built to create a navigable water route fromNew York Cityand the Atlantic Ocean to the Great Lakes..... – because of this vital connection and others to follow, such as the railroads,New York State would become known as the "Empire State" or "the great Empire State"
Erie Canal - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




2. "The building of the Erie Canal and the politics surrounding it, became a landmark event in American economic history....almost all American wanted better roads and new canals- 'internal improvements' as they were called.....Building the Erie Canal was a splendid idea.
The only question was how to fund it: with federal spending, state funding, or by entrepreneurs?" Folsom and Folsom, "Uncle Sam Can't Count," p.56.

3. In 1811, NY Congressman Peter Porter argued before Congress that the federal government should fund the canal. After all, an Erie Canal would have national benefits, and not just commercially! It would encourage settlement all along it's length, and cause the Great Lakes to flourish.

a. But the Constitution did not empower the federal government to tax all the people of the nation for a road that mainly benefited one state.
Porter's bill failed.

b. But the War of 1812 added a national defense reason and the bill was brought back; Congress passed it in 1817.
"Erie Water West: A History of the Erie Canal, 1792-1854,"by Ronald E. Shaw, p. 39-40, 47.





4. As I said, this was before Franklin Roosevelt, so the Constitution was still in effect. On March 3, 1817, on his next to the last day in office, President James Madison vetoed the bill, saying "I am constrained by the insuperable difficulty I feel in reconciling the bill with the Constitution of the United States..."

He went on to make two significant points, points that successive Presidents should have noted:

a. "....To refer the power in question to the clause "to provide for common defense and general welfare" would be contrary to the established and consistent rules of interpretation,... Such a view of the Constitution would have the effect of giving to Congress a general power of legislation instead of the defined and limited one hitherto understood to belong to them, the terms "common defense and general welfare" embracing every object and act within the purview of a legislative trust." James Madison Veto of federal public works bill March 3 1817

This, from the leader of the Constitutional Convention; he, more than anyone, understood how the general welfare clause was to be read.


b. Don't misunderstand: Madison was in favor of internal improvements- he knew that the Constitution's design was that such projects should be undertaken by the state, or by private citizens.
"I am not unaware of the great importance of roads and canals and the improved navigation of water courses, and that a power in the National Legislature to provide for them might be exercised with signal advantage to the general prosperity."
...But he knew that the Constitution did not provide for such as expansion of the federal government..." I have no option but to withhold my signature from it, and to cherishing the hope that its beneficial objects may be attained [by other means]."
Ibid.


And that is the way it's 'sposed to be.

Damn

Madison was a fucking moron for opposing the Erie Canal

 

[Moonglow]

massive interstate system is part of national defense and it took the Nazies to tell us that because of Constitutionalism...

When I find apologists for big,overreaching government, such as yourself....
...I wonder if a monarchy wouldn't be more to your liking.


Perhaps even a dictatorship.

I am sorry that a repub figured that out..Poor Ike...mislead by a military strategic tactic that ends up being ,,,wrong...

What was wrong about the Interstate Highway System?

Nothing, but according to the Heritage Foundation follower thread, it's is wrong because citizens were taxed to provide for public transportation facilitation and it wasn't in the Constitution...

 

[Moonglow]

The Constitution is the only document to which the free people of the United States agreed to be governed.
The Constitution. That is why it is called 'the law of the land.'


At one time this was true.
But not since President Franklin Roosevelt.

Here is a tale that compared the two versions of America....before Roosevelt, and since.
This tale took place before that presidency, and so it conformed to the law of the land.




1. "The Erie Canal is a canal in New York that originally ran about 363 miles (584 km) from Albany, New York, on the Hudson River to Buffalo, New York, at Lake Erie. It was built to create a navigable water route fromNew York Cityand the Atlantic Ocean to the Great Lakes..... – because of this vital connection and others to follow, such as the railroads,New York State would become known as the "Empire State" or "the great Empire State"
Erie Canal - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




2. "The building of the Erie Canal and the politics surrounding it, became a landmark event in American economic history....almost all American wanted better roads and new canals- 'internal improvements' as they were called.....Building the Erie Canal was a splendid idea.
The only question was how to fund it: with federal spending, state funding, or by entrepreneurs?" Folsom and Folsom, "Uncle Sam Can't Count," p.56.

3. In 1811, NY Congressman Peter Porter argued before Congress that the federal government should fund the canal. After all, an Erie Canal would have national benefits, and not just commercially! It would encourage settlement all along it's length, and cause the Great Lakes to flourish.

a. But the Constitution did not empower the federal government to tax all the people of the nation for a road that mainly benefited one state.
Porter's bill failed.

b. But the War of 1812 added a national defense reason and the bill was brought back; Congress passed it in 1817.
"Erie Water West: A History of the Erie Canal, 1792-1854,"by Ronald E. Shaw, p. 39-40, 47.





4. As I said, this was before Franklin Roosevelt, so the Constitution was still in effect. On March 3, 1817, on his next to the last day in office, President James Madison vetoed the bill, saying "I am constrained by the insuperable difficulty I feel in reconciling the bill with the Constitution of the United States..."

He went on to make two significant points, points that successive Presidents should have noted:

a. "....To refer the power in question to the clause "to provide for common defense and general welfare" would be contrary to the established and consistent rules of interpretation,... Such a view of the Constitution would have the effect of giving to Congress a general power of legislation instead of the defined and limited one hitherto understood to belong to them, the terms "common defense and general welfare" embracing every object and act within the purview of a legislative trust." James Madison Veto of federal public works bill March 3 1817

This, from the leader of the Constitutional Convention; he, more than anyone, understood how the general welfare clause was to be read.


b. Don't misunderstand: Madison was in favor of internal improvements- he knew that the Constitution's design was that such projects should be undertaken by the state, or by private citizens.
"I am not unaware of the great importance of roads and canals and the improved navigation of water courses, and that a power in the National Legislature to provide for them might be exercised with signal advantage to the general prosperity."
...But he knew that the Constitution did not provide for such as expansion of the federal government..." I have no option but to withhold my signature from it, and to cherishing the hope that its beneficial objects may be attained [by other means]."
Ibid.


And that is the way it's 'sposed to be.

Damn

Madison was a fucking moron for opposing the Erie Canal

You noticed that Jefferson thought different when it came to expanding the size of the nation..The total disregard of that man to use taxpayer funds to buy territory...it wasn't in the Constitution...

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

I would think the interstate was more a necessity

massive interstate system is part of national defense and it took the Nazies to tell us that because of Constitutionalism...

WWII 1914 -1918

The Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways (commonly known as the Interstate Highway System, Interstate Freeway System, Interstate System, or simply the Interstate) is a network of freeways that forms a part of the National Highway System of the United States. The system is named for President Dwight D. Eisenhower, who championed its formation. Construction was authorized by the Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956, and the original portion was completed 35 years later. The network has since been extended, and as of 2012, it had a total length of 47,714 miles (76,788 km),[2] making it the world's second longest after China's. As of 2011, about one-quarter of all vehicle miles driven in the country use the Interstate system.[3] The cost of construction has been estimated at $425 billion (in 2006 dollars).[4]]

So your inference would be that WWI precipitated the Interstate highway system .....

Nothing what-so-ever to with industrial revolution or mass production of automobiles, huh ??

i think you're confused.

Not a bit, Nazis were a political faction that wanted to kill out Jews ........
Was he speaking of the current opposition's political party??
Damn, why didn't he just say so ???
Oh yeah, yall folks like that name calling shit don;t you??
Don;t know how to have a civil conversation, do you??

 

[Moonglow]

The Constitution is the only document to which the free people of the United States agreed to be governed.
The Constitution. That is why it is called 'the law of the land.'


At one time this was true.
But not since President Franklin Roosevelt.

Here is a tale that compared the two versions of America....before Roosevelt, and since.
This tale took place before that presidency, and so it conformed to the law of the land.




1. "The Erie Canal is a canal in New York that originally ran about 363 miles (584 km) from Albany, New York, on the Hudson River to Buffalo, New York, at Lake Erie. It was built to create a navigable water route fromNew York Cityand the Atlantic Ocean to the Great Lakes..... – because of this vital connection and others to follow, such as the railroads,New York State would become known as the "Empire State" or "the great Empire State"
Erie Canal - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




2. "The building of the Erie Canal and the politics surrounding it, became a landmark event in American economic history....almost all American wanted better roads and new canals- 'internal improvements' as they were called.....Building the Erie Canal was a splendid idea.
The only question was how to fund it: with federal spending, state funding, or by entrepreneurs?" Folsom and Folsom, "Uncle Sam Can't Count," p.56.

3. In 1811, NY Congressman Peter Porter argued before Congress that the federal government should fund the canal. After all, an Erie Canal would have national benefits, and not just commercially! It would encourage settlement all along it's length, and cause the Great Lakes to flourish.

a. But the Constitution did not empower the federal government to tax all the people of the nation for a road that mainly benefited one state.
Porter's bill failed.

b. But the War of 1812 added a national defense reason and the bill was brought back; Congress passed it in 1817.
"Erie Water West: A History of the Erie Canal, 1792-1854,"by Ronald E. Shaw, p. 39-40, 47.





4. As I said, this was before Franklin Roosevelt, so the Constitution was still in effect. On March 3, 1817, on his next to the last day in office, President James Madison vetoed the bill, saying "I am constrained by the insuperable difficulty I feel in reconciling the bill with the Constitution of the United States..."

He went on to make two significant points, points that successive Presidents should have noted:

a. "....To refer the power in question to the clause "to provide for common defense and general welfare" would be contrary to the established and consistent rules of interpretation,... Such a view of the Constitution would have the effect of giving to Congress a general power of legislation instead of the defined and limited one hitherto understood to belong to them, the terms "common defense and general welfare" embracing every object and act within the purview of a legislative trust." James Madison Veto of federal public works bill March 3 1817

This, from the leader of the Constitutional Convention; he, more than anyone, understood how the general welfare clause was to be read.


b. Don't misunderstand: Madison was in favor of internal improvements- he knew that the Constitution's design was that such projects should be undertaken by the state, or by private citizens.
"I am not unaware of the great importance of roads and canals and the improved navigation of water courses, and that a power in the National Legislature to provide for them might be exercised with signal advantage to the general prosperity."
...But he knew that the Constitution did not provide for such as expansion of the federal government..." I have no option but to withhold my signature from it, and to cherishing the hope that its beneficial objects may be attained [by other means]."
Ibid.


And that is the way it's 'sposed to be.

Damn

Madison was a fucking moron for opposing the Erie Canal

it was private and could be closed from use by it's owners at anytime....

 

[Moonglow]

I would think the interstate was more a necessity

massive interstate system is part of national defense and it took the Nazies to tell us that because of Constitutionalism...

WWII 1914 -1918

The Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways (commonly known as the Interstate Highway System, Interstate Freeway System, Interstate System, or simply the Interstate) is a network of freeways that forms a part of the National Highway System of the United States. The system is named for President Dwight D. Eisenhower, who championed its formation. Construction was authorized by the Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956, and the original portion was completed 35 years later. The network has since been extended, and as of 2012, it had a total length of 47,714 miles (76,788 km),[2] making it the world's second longest after China's. As of 2011, about one-quarter of all vehicle miles driven in the country use the Interstate system.[3] The cost of construction has been estimated at $425 billion (in 2006 dollars).[4]]

So your inference would be that WWI precipitated the Interstate highway system .....

Nothing what-so-ever to with industrial revolution or mass production of automobiles, huh ??

i think you're confused.

Not a bit, Nazis were a political faction that wanted to kill out Jews ........
Was he speaking of the current opposition's political party??
Damn, why didn't he just say so ???
Oh yeah, yall folks like that name calling shit don;t you??
Don;t know how to have a civil conversation, do you??

The Nazies, which was a political party, built the first interstate system of paved roads. The ancient Romans were closest up to that point...

 

[ogibillm]

I would think the interstate was more a necessity

massive interstate system is part of national defense and it took the Nazies to tell us that because of Constitutionalism...

WWII 1914 -1918

The Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways (commonly known as the Interstate Highway System, Interstate Freeway System, Interstate System, or simply the Interstate) is a network of freeways that forms a part of the National Highway System of the United States. The system is named for President Dwight D. Eisenhower, who championed its formation. Construction was authorized by the Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956, and the original portion was completed 35 years later. The network has since been extended, and as of 2012, it had a total length of 47,714 miles (76,788 km),[2] making it the world's second longest after China's. As of 2011, about one-quarter of all vehicle miles driven in the country use the Interstate system.[3] The cost of construction has been estimated at $425 billion (in 2006 dollars).[4]]

So your inference would be that WWI precipitated the Interstate highway system .....

Nothing what-so-ever to with industrial revolution or mass production of automobiles, huh ??

i think you're confused.

Not a bit, Nazis were a political faction that wanted to kill out Jews ........
Was he speaking of the current opposition's political party??
Damn, why didn't he just say so ???
Oh yeah, yall folks like that name calling shit don;t you??
Don;t know how to have a civil conversation, do you??

you really are confused.

 

[Moonglow]

What I am saying is that the entire history of the US is filled with examples of non Constitutionally originated ideas and actions that have helped this nation. the Constitution is the foundation, yet it is not a be all and end all document...it was made to be fluid to the needs and aspirations of this nation, not a rigid set of rules like the Bible and computers..

 

[Moonglow]

Now to the other point, taxes...stealing,,,,yet the US has had taxes since day one.If not, how else did it survive and build? Loans?

 

[TooTall]

massive interstate system is part of national defense and it took the Nazies to tell us that because of Constitutionalism...

When I find apologists for big,overreaching government, such as yourself....
...I wonder if a monarchy wouldn't be more to your liking.


Perhaps even a dictatorship.

I am sorry that a repub figured that out..Poor Ike...mislead by a military strategic tactic that ends up being ,,,wrong...

What was wrong about the Interstate Highway System?

Nothing, but according to the Heritage Foundation follower thread, it's is wrong because citizens were taxed to provide for public transportation facilitation and it wasn't in the Constitution...

massive interstate system is part of national defense and it took the Nazies to tell us that because of Constitutionalism...

When I find apologists for big,overreaching government, such as yourself....
...I wonder if a monarchy wouldn't be more to your liking.


Perhaps even a dictatorship.

I am sorry that a repub figured that out..Poor Ike...mislead by a military strategic tactic that ends up being ,,,wrong...

What was wrong about the Interstate Highway System?

Nothing, but according to the Heritage Foundation follower thread, it's is wrong because citizens were taxed to provide for public transportation facilitation and it wasn't in the Constitution...

That was why it was passed as the National Interstate and Defense Highways Act. I believe National Defense is mentioned in the Constitution.

 

[Moonglow]

Just like Polichics denial that all men are created equal meant something different when it was written verses todays idea that it meant equal rights for all...as being dishonest is a joke beyond reproach in vulgarity of the human condition, and with the evangelical concept she induces which involves the idea that humans have a free spirit to chose...evidently God believes in equality for all....

 

[Moonglow]

massive interstate system is part of national defense and it took the Nazies to tell us that because of Constitutionalism...

When I find apologists for big,overreaching government, such as yourself....
...I wonder if a monarchy wouldn't be more to your liking.


Perhaps even a dictatorship.

I am sorry that a repub figured that out..Poor Ike...mislead by a military strategic tactic that ends up being ,,,wrong...

What was wrong about the Interstate Highway System?

Nothing, but according to the Heritage Foundation follower thread, it's is wrong because citizens were taxed to provide for public transportation facilitation and it wasn't in the Constitution...

massive interstate system is part of national defense and it took the Nazies to tell us that because of Constitutionalism...

When I find apologists for big,overreaching government, such as yourself....
...I wonder if a monarchy wouldn't be more to your liking.


Perhaps even a dictatorship.

I am sorry that a repub figured that out..Poor Ike...mislead by a military strategic tactic that ends up being ,,,wrong...

What was wrong about the Interstate Highway System?

Nothing, but according to the Heritage Foundation follower thread, it's is wrong because citizens were taxed to provide for public transportation facilitation and it wasn't in the Constitution...

That was why it was passed as the National Interstate and Defense Highways Act. I believe National Defense is mentioned in the Constitution.

But the other half was the request by the trucking industry to help pay and use the system. if it was totally for defense only no public transportation would be allowed, since use reduces efficiency of the road...

 

[rightwinger]

Thank god we don't listen to a moron like Madison when it comes to the Constitution

Applying Madisons interpretation there would be no

Erie Canal
Panama Canal
Intercontinental Railroad
Intrstate Highway System

 

[Moonglow]

Thank god we don't listen to a moron like Madison when it comes to the Constitution

Applying Madisons interpretation there would be no

Erie Canal
Panama Canal
Intercontinental Railroad
Intrstate Highway System

Wasn't Madison the founder of the Tea Farty?

 

[jillian]

it's amusing watching someone rant about the "constitution' and how it is the only law of the land, while pretending that the states can deny rights guaranteed by the document and the caselaw surrounding it.

lol...

 

[Contumacious]

Thank god we don't listen to a moron like Madison when it comes to the Constitution

Applying Madisons interpretation there would be no

Erie Canal
Panama Canal
Intercontinental Railroad
Intrstate Highway System

Applying Madison's Constitution - he didn't interpret it - he fucking wrote it - you would be somewhere out there digging ditches and honestly earning a living.

.

 

[jillian]

Thank god we don't listen to a moron like Madison when it comes to the Constitution

Applying Madisons interpretation there would be no

Erie Canal
Panama Canal
Intercontinental Railroad
Intrstate Highway System

Madison was only one voice among many and his ideas are not the law of the land. the judicial construction is what governs.

I think the o/p needs to start over at Marbury v Madison and read.

 

[Contumacious]

Thank god we don't listen to a moron like Madison when it comes to the Constitution

Applying Madisons interpretation there would be no

Erie Canal
Panama Canal
Intercontinental Railroad
Intrstate Highway System

Madison was only one voice among many and his ideas are not the law of the land. the judicial construction is what governs.

I think the o/p needs to start over at Marbury v Madison and read.

BULLSHIT.


THE LAW MEANS WHAT THE FOUNDERS INTENDED.

UNfortunately, the spineless corrupt motherfuckers nominated to interpret the Constitution since the beginning have been government supremacist assholes.

.

 

[TooTall]

Thank god we don't listen to a moron like Madison when it comes to the Constitution

Applying Madisons interpretation there would be no

Erie Canal
Panama Canal
Intercontinental Railroad
Intrstate Highway System

Wasn't Madison the founder of the Tea Farty?

Is that supposed to be funny?