ST's BP Rantings

[Gatekeeper]

BP profiteers screw humanity, business as usual with most of them today.
$500,000 to install a safety valve that would have prevented this horrific disaster.
A damn pittance to pay in comparison to their earnings, profit.

BP is one of the world’s largest oil company. BP announced a net profit during the quarter increased 135 percent compared with same period last year. Oil companies reported a replacement cost profit was 5.6 billion U.S. dollars

I would hope NO ONE feels sorry for these greedy sons a bitches and hopefully they are forced to pay every penny in cleanup and losses sufferd by ANYONE effected by their, in my opinion, SACRIFICE ANYTHING for PROFIT mentality.

BP’s Giant Oil Company Released Quarterly Earnings Rose 135 percent - Crude Oil Price - Mining Exploration News

And you can bet, they make ALL OF US pay for their screw up with higher gas, oil and other energy costs, and like idiots we'll keep using and using while paying these people through the nose.

 

[HUGGY]

BP profiteers screw humanity, business as usual with most of them today.
$500,000 to install a safety valve that would have prevented this horrific disaster.
A damn pittance to pay in comparison to their earnings, profit.

BP is one of the world’s largest oil company. BP announced a net profit during the quarter increased 135 percent compared with same period last year. Oil companies reported a replacement cost profit was 5.6 billion U.S. dollars

I would hope NO ONE feels sorry for these greedy sons a bitches and hopefully they are forced to pay every penny in cleanup and losses sufferd by ANYONE effected by their, in my opinion, SACRIFICE ANYTHING for PROFIT mentality.

BP’s Giant Oil Company Released Quarterly Earnings Rose 135 percent - Crude Oil Price - Mining Exploration News

And you can bet, they make ALL OF US pay for their screw up with higher gas, oil and other energy costs, and like idiots we'll keep using and using while paying these people through the nose.

There are only two ways this can go. If WE bend and allow them to escape...they will eventually try to recoup with higher prices. If we drive thier asses into bankruptsy thier assets will be confiscated and sold off to a whole pack of companies waiting in line for bargain basement sale of equipment...actually lowering costs and prices...

 

[PatekPhilippe]

It doesn't mean it lacked ALL SAFEGUARD DEVICES!!! It meant it LACKED AN ACOUSTIC SWITCH....there was ANOTHER VALVE AT THE WELLHEAD THAT WAS MECHANICALLY OPERATED. That's why they sent the fricken unmanned sub down there to attempt to shut it but the explosion damaged the VALVE AT THE WELLHEAD. Try paying attention on occasion instead of making kneejerk reactions to everything and assuming things that are in fact untrue.

I never said it lacked all safeguard devices. Unlike you I read the fucking article.

On all offshore oil rigs, there is one main switch for cutting off the flow of oil by closing a valve located on the ocean floor. Many rigs also have automatic systems, such as a "dead man" switch as a backup that is supposed to close the valve if it senses a catastrophic failure aboard the rig.


As a third line of defense, some rigs have the acoustic trigger: It's a football-sized remote control that uses sound waves to communicate with the valve on the seabed floor and close it.

I'm not really interested in talking with you about the issues brought up in this article if you aren't going to read the damn thing.

Likewise...however I DID read the article. You insinuate that there were no safety devices installed and that by installing this "acoustic switch" it would have 100% prevented this accident which is a complete load of horseshit!!!!

 

[PatekPhilippe]

BP profiteers screw humanity, business as usual with most of them today.
$500,000 to install a safety valve that would have prevented this horrific disaster.
A damn pittance to pay in comparison to their earnings, profit.

BP is one of the world’s largest oil company. BP announced a net profit during the quarter increased 135 percent compared with same period last year. Oil companies reported a replacement cost profit was 5.6 billion U.S. dollars

I would hope NO ONE feels sorry for these greedy sons a bitches and hopefully they are forced to pay every penny in cleanup and losses sufferd by ANYONE effected by their, in my opinion, SACRIFICE ANYTHING for PROFIT mentality.

BP’s Giant Oil Company Released Quarterly Earnings Rose 135 percent - Crude Oil Price - Mining Exploration News

And you can bet, they make ALL OF US pay for their screw up with higher gas, oil and other energy costs, and like idiots we'll keep using and using while paying these people through the nose.

You don't know what safety devices were installed either....and there is NO SUCH THING as a 100% safe MODU...acoustic switch or not.

 

[Gatekeeper]

BP profiteers screw humanity, business as usual with most of them today.
$500,000 to install a safety valve that would have prevented this horrific disaster.
A damn pittance to pay in comparison to their earnings, profit.

BP is one of the world’s largest oil company. BP announced a net profit during the quarter increased 135 percent compared with same period last year. Oil companies reported a replacement cost profit was 5.6 billion U.S. dollars

I would hope NO ONE feels sorry for these greedy sons a bitches and hopefully they are forced to pay every penny in cleanup and losses sufferd by ANYONE effected by their, in my opinion, SACRIFICE ANYTHING for PROFIT mentality.

BP’s Giant Oil Company Released Quarterly Earnings Rose 135 percent - Crude Oil Price - Mining Exploration News

And you can bet, they make ALL OF US pay for their screw up with higher gas, oil and other energy costs, and like idiots we'll keep using and using while paying these people through the nose.

You don't know what safety devices were installed either....and there is NO SUCH THING as a 100% safe MODU...acoustic switch or not.

That is correct, I do not know, but the fact that the entrance point was about 5000' down, one would think ALL options, that technology permits, would have been used since it isn't 300' where just about anyone or thing can work to resolve a breech such as this. And I am sure we all know there is never a 100% guarantee of anything.

We'll wait for the "Rest of the Story" and make further comments at a later date.

Thanks for the reply

 

[PatekPhilippe]

BP profiteers screw humanity, business as usual with most of them today.
$500,000 to install a safety valve that would have prevented this horrific disaster.
A damn pittance to pay in comparison to their earnings, profit.




I would hope NO ONE feels sorry for these greedy sons a bitches and hopefully they are forced to pay every penny in cleanup and losses sufferd by ANYONE effected by their, in my opinion, SACRIFICE ANYTHING for PROFIT mentality.

BP’s Giant Oil Company Released Quarterly Earnings Rose 135 percent - Crude Oil Price - Mining Exploration News

And you can bet, they make ALL OF US pay for their screw up with higher gas, oil and other energy costs, and like idiots we'll keep using and using while paying these people through the nose.

You don't know what safety devices were installed either....and there is NO SUCH THING as a 100% safe MODU...acoustic switch or not.

That is correct, I do not know, but the fact that the entrance point was about 5000' down, one would think ALL options, that technology permits, would have been used since it isn't 300' where just about anyone or thing can work to resolve a breech such as this. And I am sure we all know there is never a 100% guarantee of anything.

We'll wait for the "Rest of the Story" and make further comments at a later date.

Thanks for the reply

Agreed. The depth was 5000 feet below the surface. When was that well drilled and capped and when was acoustic switch technology available? Was acoustic switch technology at the same level of technological advancement as it is today?
Here's a link to a company that sells acoustic switches for offshore drilling operations. It's good reading and does explain some of the inherent problems with deep sea operations like incessantly high noise levels the deeper you go, water conditions that effect sound wave travel through water etc.
http://www.km.kongsberg.com/ks/web/nokbg0397.nsf/AllWeb/2542A3B1D4E21ED2C1256C39004068DD/$file/160518ae_ACS_product_specification_lr.pdf?OpenElement

 

[SpidermanTuba]

I would imagine a 5,000 foot string of drill pipe, being jerked around by explosions and the sinking rig that it was attached to, could cause a lot of damage to any valves on the sea bed. This rig was in International waters wasn't it? What regulations can the U.S. impose in International waters?

Gulf oil rigs fall under the jurisdiction of the United States

 

[Samson]

I would imagine a 5,000 foot string of drill pipe, being jerked around by explosions and the sinking rig that it was attached to, could cause a lot of damage to any valves on the sea bed. This rig was in International waters wasn't it? What regulations can the U.S. impose in International waters?

Gulf oil rigs fall under the jurisdiction of the United States

And Obama is the Prez of the USA.

OBAMA LIED

PELICANS DIED!!!

 

[johnrocks]

That's the trouble with regulations, they are always chasing a problem that already happened...

I like how you assume that regulations never prevent accidents just because you don't hear about it on the news. Why would the news even report that? Its a non-event. "Today an accident did NOT occur..."

You're up against anti-regulation idealogues who are oblivious to real life real world evidence against their idealogy.

And we're up against people who thinks there is a regulation that is the cure for everything and it's not. There are already thousands of regulations and accidents still occur. Here is a page choked full of regulations,try not to cum in your pants when you go there
off shore drilling safety - The U.S. Government's Official Web Search

 

[Samson]

I like how you assume that regulations never prevent accidents just because you don't hear about it on the news. Why would the news even report that? Its a non-event. "Today an accident did NOT occur..."

You're up against anti-regulation idealogues who are oblivious to real life real world evidence against their idealogy.

And we're up against people who thinks there is a regulation that is the cure for everything and it's not. There are already thousands of regulations and accidents still occur. Here is a page choked full of regulations,try not to cum in your pants when you go there
off shore drilling safety - The U.S. Government's Official Web Search

With thousands of regulations, it is EVEN MORE a wonder that making acustic switches part of the requirements and regulations wasn't added.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

You're up against anti-regulation idealogues who are oblivious to real life real world evidence against their idealogy.

And we're up against people who thinks there is a regulation that is the cure for everything and it's not. There are already thousands of regulations and accidents still occur. Here is a page choked full of regulations,try not to cum in your pants when you go there
off shore drilling safety - The U.S. Government's Official Web Search

With thousands of regulations, it is EVEN MORE a wonder that making acustic switches part of the requirements and regulations wasn't added.

You can't change regulations like safety equipment on oil well heads until their efficacy has been proven to have a better safety record than the current requirements. Apparently this isn't the case with acoustic switches. They are prone to sudden activation and this happening in a non emergency type of situation may cause it's own problems. I guess part of the blame can be assigned to the politicians who write new CFR requirements daily for not making this a part of the law. Anyone who thinks that regulations would have been written by Democrats requiring this type of device to be installed on wellheads or thinking someone was out there lobbying against it is not looking at the reality of lawmaking and regulation in this country.

 

[johnrocks]

Perhaps if government would allow drilling elsewhere other than in deep water, spills like this wouldn't occur or at least could be dealt with much better.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Perhaps if government would allow drilling elsewhere other than in deep water, spills like this wouldn't occur or at least could be dealt with much better.

Possibly....you can regulate the shit out of the industry and make it so expensive to operate that people will just say "fuck it...let gas go to 10 dollars a gallon and send all of our money to the middle east."

 

[Samson]

And we're up against people who thinks there is a regulation that is the cure for everything and it's not. There are already thousands of regulations and accidents still occur. Here is a page choked full of regulations,try not to cum in your pants when you go there
off shore drilling safety - The U.S. Government's Official Web Search

With thousands of regulations, it is EVEN MORE a wonder that making acustic switches part of the requirements and regulations wasn't added.

You can't change regulations like safety equipment on oil well heads until their efficacy has been proven to have a better safety record than the current requirements. Apparently this isn't the case with acoustic switches. They are prone to sudden activation and this happening in a non emergency type of situation may cause it's own problems. I guess part of the blame can be assigned to the politicians who write new CFR requirements daily for not making this a part of the law. Anyone who thinks that regulations would have been written by Democrats requiring this type of device to be installed on wellheads or thinking someone was out there lobbying against it is not looking at the reality of lawmaking and regulation in this country.

All I'm going on is the info from the WSJ article, so you could be right vis-a-vis "sudden activation": but there are countries (Norway is one, forgot the other) that require acoustic switches, and Dutch Shell, and French Total have placed the switches voluntarily on wells.

Incompetent regulation writing is not monopolised by any political party, but I do think that Dept of Interior Drilling Industry Lobbists convinced the agency to omit the acustic switch from required safety devices.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

With thousands of regulations, it is EVEN MORE a wonder that making acustic switches part of the requirements and regulations wasn't added.

You can't change regulations like safety equipment on oil well heads until their efficacy has been proven to have a better safety record than the current requirements. Apparently this isn't the case with acoustic switches. They are prone to sudden activation and this happening in a non emergency type of situation may cause it's own problems. I guess part of the blame can be assigned to the politicians who write new CFR requirements daily for not making this a part of the law. Anyone who thinks that regulations would have been written by Democrats requiring this type of device to be installed on wellheads or thinking someone was out there lobbying against it is not looking at the reality of lawmaking and regulation in this country.

All I'm going on is the info from the WSJ article, so you could be right vis-a-vis "sudden activation": but there are countries (Norway is one, forgot the other) that require acoustic switches, and Dutch Shell, and French Total have placed the switches voluntarily on wells.

Incompetent regulation writing is not monopolised by any political party, but I do think that Dept of Interior Drilling Industry Lobbists convinced the agency to omit the acustic switch from required safety devices.

I see. There are more than likely many reasons why we don't require the installation of these switches. Hopefully it will all come out during the investigation and then steps taken to prevent spills like this from happening.
Generally speaking though...older wells are covered by different laws and are not required to make updates because of the cost involved. Case in point is the double hull tanker requirement. Waivers are granted for ships built before a certain date and allowed to operate.

 

[johnrocks]

Best way to give oil companies an incentive to be environmentally sensitive and try not to let this type thing happen is through the pocket book, I'm sure they had much rather be selling that oil on the water's surface at $85 a barrel or spending that 6 million a day on something other than cleaning up a spill not to mention the bad publicity and the hundreds of millions if not billions in lawsuits this is going to generate.

This has the potential of working better than thousands of more regulations and bureaucrats.

 

[sitarro]

Billions of gallons of crude have been brought up from the earth with no mishaps, this one is bad of course but it's still amazing to see all of the "see, I told you so" dick heads stumbling all over themselves to place blame and once again berate a corporation for daring to make "obscene" profits ......... why don't all of you dimwitted, socialist, assholes go jump in your electric cars and drive off a short pier(oh that's right, you don't drive electric cars). Drilling for oil is easily the hardest and most risky work I have ever witnessed, it's easily one of the most regulated too.

 

[Samson]

You can't change regulations like safety equipment on oil well heads until their efficacy has been proven to have a better safety record than the current requirements. Apparently this isn't the case with acoustic switches. They are prone to sudden activation and this happening in a non emergency type of situation may cause it's own problems. I guess part of the blame can be assigned to the politicians who write new CFR requirements daily for not making this a part of the law. Anyone who thinks that regulations would have been written by Democrats requiring this type of device to be installed on wellheads or thinking someone was out there lobbying against it is not looking at the reality of lawmaking and regulation in this country.

All I'm going on is the info from the WSJ article, so you could be right vis-a-vis "sudden activation": but there are countries (Norway is one, forgot the other) that require acoustic switches, and Dutch Shell, and French Total have placed the switches voluntarily on wells.

Incompetent regulation writing is not monopolised by any political party, but I do think that Dept of Interior Drilling Industry Lobbists convinced the agency to omit the acustic switch from required safety devices.

I see. There are more than likely many reasons why we don't require the installation of these switches. Hopefully it will all come out during the investigation and then steps taken to prevent spills like this from happening.
Generally speaking though...older wells are covered by different laws and are not required to make updates because of the cost involved. Case in point is the double hull tanker requirement. Waivers are granted for ships built before a certain date and allowed to operate.

I'm really astonished that Transocean and BP did not have every available safety device on earth, and perhaps those used on other planets, built into a rig as soon as they became available. If there's ANY cost that can quickly and easily be justified in todays litigious society (particularly the USA), its safety.

Maybe they thought the rig was off the coast of Angola?

 

[HUGGY]

Perhaps if government would allow drilling elsewhere other than in deep water, spills like this wouldn't occur or at least could be dealt with much better.

Possibly....you can regulate the shit out of the industry and make it so expensive to operate that people will just say "fuck it...let gas go to 10 dollars a gallon and send all of our money to the middle east."

Equating a way to no matter how expensive to mechanically prevent oil spills as "regulating the fuck out of the industry" is irresponsible.

 

[JBeukema]

While people are pointing fingers...


has the cause of the explosion been determined to have been an accident?