Support of hopeless country that could lead to nuclear war

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Russians continue to lose on the world stage.

 

[Ringo]

Babies in Kuwait thrown out of incubators - LieL
ibyan troops given Viagra to commit mass rape -Lie
WMDs in Iraq, Iraq was involved in 9/11 - Lies
Assad used chemical weapons on his people - Lie
20 years of we're winning in Afghanistan - Lie
Russia was totally unprovoked - Lie

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Babies in Kuwait thrown out of incubators - LieL
ibyan troops given Viagra to commit mass rape -Lie
WMDs in Iraq, Iraq was involved in 9/11 - Lies
Assad used chemical weapons on his people - Lie
20 years of we're winning in Afghanistan - Lie
Russia was totally unprovoked - Lie

All true.

How did Ukraine provoke Russia? You crazy communist.

 

[Deadstick]

All true.

How did Ukraine provoke Russia? You crazy communist.

What's all true you clown?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

That is just not true, any evidence or is it another Trump is a Russian agent bullshit fabrication? look at History the US started to interfere in Ukraine while it was still part of the USSR just after the war, the CIA supported what was left of the Bandera terrorists and other Nazis to wage a terror war against the Russians.

Putin has interfered in western Europe, yes.

 

[Zavulon]

No, clearly there were traitors, the ones picking up arms. They could have gone back to Russia, seeing how these people are basically Russian and ended up in the Ukraine due to Russian occupation of the country.

What is more important - people or state?
I believe that people, their rights and safety is more important. A state (or, especially, a government) it's merely the way people use to live and work together.

And no, Ukraine was destroyed by Maidan. You know, it was like jumping from a skyscraper's roof and then blaming the heartless gravity for killing you.

There's a difference between protesting and actively seeking the destruction of the country.

If those BLM protesters were burned alive by some government supported white suprematists death-squads, and then the civil war was started, would you said that it were BLM protesters, who started it? Or, could you ay, that it was the government, who made that fatal mistake?

Well, just because a war isn't declared a war, doesn't mean it's not. The US hasn't declared war since WW2.

Doesn't mean Vietnam, Iraq, Iraq again, Afghanistan etc weren't wars.

Definitely Vietnam and Iraq were not wars for the USA. May be, even WWII was merely an "expedition" for the America. I mean no one American city was demolished.

 

[frigidweirdo]

No it isn't but this is, have you forgot the Trump Russian agent bollocks? how did Putin interfere in other Countries?

How did he interfere in other countries' politics?

I don't know? Poisoning the anti-Russia presidential candidate?

Undermining Ukraine's economy.

Threatening the Ukraine.

Paying for pro-Kremlin politicians.

The usual and some unusual kind of things.

 

[frigidweirdo]

What is more important - people or state?
I believe that people, their rights and safety is more important. A state (or, especially, a government) it's merely the way people use to live and work together.

And no, Ukraine was destroyed by Maidan. You know, it was like jumping from a skyscraper's roof and then blaming the heartless gravity for killing you.


If those BLM protesters were burned alive by some government supported white suprematists death-squads, and then the civil war was started, would you said that it were BLM protesters, who started it? Or, could you ay, that it was the government, who made that fatal mistake?


Definitely Vietnam and Iraq were not wars for the USA. May be, even WWII was merely an "expedition" for the America. I mean no one American city was demolished.

And what if the individuals are undermining the state? Undermining the ability of the state to allow individuals to be individuals?

 

[Zavulon]

And what if the individuals are undermining the state?

It depends. Sometimes a state win, and kill those individuals (as it was in Odessa). Sometimes people win, and establish a new state (as it was in Donetsk and Lugansk).

Undermining the ability of the state to allow individuals to be individuals?

It's not state's business to allow individuals to be individuals. It's their natural right. People are defending their natural rights and fight each other. This is the way.

 

[Zavulon]

How did he interfere in other countries' politics?

I don't know? Poisoning the anti-Russia presidential candidate?

Undermining Ukraine's economy.

Threatening the Ukraine.

Paying for pro-Kremlin politicians.

The usual and some unusual kind of things.

As if America doesn't interfere.

 

[Deadstick]

How did he interfere in other countries' politics?

I don't know? Poisoning the anti-Russia presidential candidate?

Undermining Ukraine's economy.

Threatening the Ukraine.

Paying for pro-Kremlin politicians.

The usual and some unusual kind of things.

That's all nonsense of no substance, who said Putin poisoned a candidate? threatening Ukraine how? undermining it's economy? Russia bankrolled Ukraine for years the mess their economy was in was down to their own Government,you have swallowed all the propagada you have been fed.

 

[braalian]

You see, oligarchs became oligarchs through very hard way. There are plenty of blood on their pretty white hands. And they became oligarchs not because they allowed any freak to steal their property. They are going to win this war and take their money back (with the big interest) from Americans, Europeans, Ukrainians. They are not a sort of sissy toffs, they are the first generation of predators.
I'm not an oligarch, but France and Italy took seven million dollars of my money, and I'm going to take from them at least seventy millions one way or another.

Then why is Russia such a shithole of a country full of alcoholics, gangsters, prostitutes and crumbling infrastructure?

 

[frigidweirdo]

It depends. Sometimes a state win, and kill those individuals (as it was in Odessa). Sometimes people win, and establish a new state (as it was in Donetsk and Lugansk).



It's not state's business to allow individuals to be individuals. It's their natural right. People are defending their natural rights and fight each other. This is the way.

Mostly it's all just power. Everything is power in politics. You try and get your version of politics, and there are competing sides.

Mostly power is good when a people get to rule themselves.

Maybe the Ukraine is a bad state because it has different people who don't like each other. The other problem is one of those sides has a huge country right next door that has zero scruples about killing people to get what it wants. Power.

Natural rights don't exist.

Rights are when the people get a part of the power that exists. In Russia, for example, individuals have no power. Putin has most of the power. Some other people have lower power, but are part of the system.

A good system is one which gives up certain powers to individuals.

 

[frigidweirdo]

As if America doesn't interfere.

Of course it does.

America is one of the world's assholes, like Russia.

 

[Deadstick]

Then why is Russia such a shithole of a country full of alcoholics, gangsters, prostitutes and crumbling infrastructure?

Who told you that? have you seen downtown Detroit

 

[frigidweirdo]

That's all nonsense of no substance, who said Putin poisoned a candidate? threatening Ukraine how? undermining it's economy? Russia bankrolled Ukraine for years the mess their economy was in was down to their own Government,you have swallowed all the propagada you have been fed.

Not really. The only issue is the lack of time in my life right now, and lack of electricity at home etc.

Let's take the poisoning of Yushchenko.

We know Putin is the man who does a lot of poisoning.

Nerve agents, poison and window falls: A list of Putin critics that have been killed

Over the years, Kremlin political critics, turncoat spies and investigative journalists have been killed or assaulted in a variety of ways.

www.nbcnewyork.com

One could be anything. Lots of cases of Putin's critics and opponents dying is not a coincidence at all.

Yushchenko was poisoned with Chloracne. Putin had only been in power for a short while, less than 4 years. He was feeling his way around international politics. Poisoning someone with something non-lethal might have been a prelude to going after former FSB members who defected with plutonium.

Certainly people had died before 2004, Yuri Shchekochikhin died in 2003.

There's a chance this wasn't Putin, Yushchenko blamed Zhvania of being a part of it, but not necessarily all of it.

Basically it's take a lot of evidence to put it together to show you, and that takes time, which I don't have right now.

 

[Ringo]

Just mobilized in front of his wife with a baby in her arms. Ukraine is a country of freedom.

 

[Zavulon]

Then why is Russia such a shithole of a country full of alcoholics, gangsters, prostitutes and crumbling infrastructure?

I dunno. May be because you saw another Russia. Or may be you just observe the things via AP-filter.

 

[Deadstick]

Not really. The only issue is the lack of time in my life right now, and lack of electricity at home etc.

Let's take the poisoning of Yushchenko.

We know Putin is the man who does a lot of poisoning.

Nerve agents, poison and window falls: A list of Putin critics that have been killed

Over the years, Kremlin political critics, turncoat spies and investigative journalists have been killed or assaulted in a variety of ways.

www.nbcnewyork.com

One could be anything. Lots of cases of Putin's critics and opponents dying is not a coincidence at all.

Yushchenko was poisoned with Chloracne. Putin had only been in power for a short while, less than 4 years. He was feeling his way around international politics. Poisoning someone with something non-lethal might have been a prelude to going after former FSB members who defected with plutonium.

Certainly people had died before 2004, Yuri Shchekochikhin died in 2003.

There's a chance this wasn't Putin, Yushchenko blamed Zhvania of being a part of it, but not necessarily all of it.

Basically it's take a lot of evidence to put it together to show you, and that takes time, which I don't have right now.

It doesn't matter how much time you have you say we know Putin does a lot of poisoning, actually we know no such thing, what we do know there have been many accusations of poisoning usually by the West,

 

[AlexanderPK]

Then why is Russia such a shithole of a country full of alcoholics, gangsters, prostitutes and crumbling infrastructure?

Ask this guy. He's from the US, I think.