Isn't now the time for US to stop supporting Ukraine to end the conflict?

[The Sage of Main Street]

indeed Sage

so now Putin is on our back door, same as Nato is on theirs

~S~

The Coward of the Bay of Pigs Needed a New Image

The missiles that loose-cannon JFK ranted about were only a response to our equally threatening missiles in Turkey.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The MD has been thrown under the bus via the MIC long ago kyzr


This is about a threat in our backyard

I would not take it lightly.........~S~

Grand Master of 3D Chess v. Tiddlywinkers

Another fake by Putin to make us re-think our Glowbullies support of the Ewe Cronyans.

 

[kyzr]

Grand Master of 3D Chess v. Tiddlywinkers

Another fake by Putin to make us re-think our Glowbullies support of the Ewe Cronyans.

So does the Grandmaster know when to push his king over?
He's in a hopeless position.

 

[sparky]

Grand Master of 3D Chess v. Tiddlywinkers

Another fake by Putin to make us re-think our Glowbullies support of the Ewe Cronyans.

The prob seems to be the grandmasters outnumber the tiddiey's Sage

~S~

 

[luiza]

So does the Grandmaster know when to push his king over?
He's in a hopeless position.

Blind and Deaf as well as being clueless about what is happening

The UAF is losing up 2000 men a day whereas quite recently and for some time it was only around 700 to 1000 a day .
It is a slaughter house .

The only reason there is talk of increasing NATO troops is that the UAF has run out of men and the few reserves are untrained and near useless .
You should have known this when they started putting women into the front line .
Quite unbelievable .

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

It will end in January 2025.

I hope so. It never should have started to begin with. Massive waste of our treasure when we're so deeply in debt. All for nothing.

 

[krichton]

The war in Ukraine has begun three years ago, and we have been sending Ukrainians all the necessary support ever since. But the war is not over. Now it's become a slaughter where people from different countries get killed. With that, Ukraine goes on losing it's territory. I think, given the circumstances, the US has to admit that this conflict doesn't bring us any significant benefits and leads to a waste of it's weapons.

I've just watched an interview with prof. Mearsheimer who studies international relations. Having no illusions, he explained in detail why there's only one way Ukraine can end this conflict – by becoming a neutral state and refusing the idea of joining NATO. Moreover, according to him, it's neutrality must be permanent. If it doesn't happen, the war won't end, and the West's shipment of arms only encourages this scenario. I actually agree with Mearsheimer because we can supply our weaponry to Ukraine but it surely doesn't end the conflict. The only option for the US is to stop supplying the arms and steer Ukraine towards a diplomatic solution.

Also, the US is said to have something to lose, which is not true. The American Conversative (U.S.-Ukraine Security Entanglement Risks Forever War) did research on the subject. First, the shipment of arms to Ukraine earns the US nothing wasting it's resources. Second, helping Taiwan now is a priority as it has many semiconductor and IC plants. If China takes over Taiwan, the US economy, unlike Ukraine's, will suffer huge losses. Third, Ukraine's neutrality doesn't mean it's lack of independence. For example, Finland once became neutral and now is a rich and developed state. Fourth, it doesn't change the US security as we are separated from Russia by an ocean and multiple allies.

We have to think what we really want for Ukraine: endless massacre or peace? If we are to really help them, then we must encourage it's peace negotiations with Russia and use our leverage to reach a better agreement.

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On the contrary, American weapons haven't been worth this much since WWII and the Korean War. We have spent trillions just to bomb huts and get involved in wars where we have no business in. We've spent billions just to store weapons, only for them to be decommissioned years later without ever being used. Finally american weapons are actually being used for a good cause.

Why do you think Russia will honor any agreement to not attack Ukraine if they agree to remain neutral and never join NATO? They've already made such an agreement with Ukraine and are on their second war there, LOL. The whole point of Putin attempting to capture Ukraine is one, land, and two, to russify the people, so he can eventually throw them at other countries like the Baltic states, Poland, Maldova, etc. in yet more wars.

 

[krichton]

That's a big ask. As half the country prior to the war were ethnic Russians, and "democratically" voted to cede to Russia. How's that Democracy working out for The Ukes now? Oh... And what happened to free, and fair "Democratic" elections? Z is out of term, and yet no elections are slated. Even with opposition parties being outlawed...

Democracayyyyy!!!!

The Ukrainian constitution forbids any election to be held during a war.

 

[krichton]

No. We contributed to it, we need to keep them supplied until some sort of armistice can be setup.

Just dropping support for them would be bad, and reflect badly on us.

It would show that we're weak, unreliable and can't be trusted, but I guess this doesn't matter to the people advocating for surrendering Ukraine to our enemies.

 

[kyzr]

Blind and Deaf as well as being clueless about what is happening The UAF is losing up 2000 men a day whereas quite recently and for some time it was only around 700 to 1000 a day . It is a slaughter house .

The only reason there is talk of increasing NATO troops is that the UAF has run out of men and the few reserves are untrained and near useless .
You should have known this when they started putting women into the front line . Quite unbelievable .

So who do you say is the UAF? Russia or Ukraine?

Putin is the one making overtures for peace talks. He keeps 4-districts and Ukraine avoids NATO.
Zelenskyy said "No deal". So I don't know who is in a worse strategic position? Ukraine has volunteers, Russia is emptying prisons and hiring mercenaries from places like Syria.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

So does the Grandmaster know when to push his king over?
He's in a hopeless position.

Napoleon, Hitler, Soros, Biden

 

[Lesh]

The war in Ukraine has begun three years ago, and we have been sending Ukrainians all the necessary support ever since. But the war is not over. Now it's become a slaughter where people from different countries get killed. With that, Ukraine goes on losing it's territory. I think, given the circumstances, the US has to admit that this conflict doesn't bring us any significant benefits and leads to a waste of it's weapons.

I've just watched an interview with prof. Mearsheimer who studies international relations. Having no illusions, he explained in detail why there's only one way Ukraine can end this conflict – by becoming a neutral state and refusing the idea of joining NATO. Moreover, according to him, it's neutrality must be permanent. If it doesn't happen, the war won't end, and the West's shipment of arms only encourages this scenario. I actually agree with Mearsheimer because we can supply our weaponry to Ukraine but it surely doesn't end the conflict. The only option for the US is to stop supplying the arms and steer Ukraine towards a diplomatic solution.

Also, the US is said to have something to lose, which is not true. The American Conversative (U.S.-Ukraine Security Entanglement Risks Forever War) did research on the subject. First, the shipment of arms to Ukraine earns the US nothing wasting it's resources. Second, helping Taiwan now is a priority as it has many semiconductor and IC plants. If China takes over Taiwan, the US economy, unlike Ukraine's, will suffer huge losses. Third, Ukraine's neutrality doesn't mean it's lack of independence. For example, Finland once became neutral and now is a rich and developed state. Fourth, it doesn't change the US security as we are separated from Russia by an ocean and multiple allies.

We have to think what we really want for Ukraine: endless massacre or peace? If we are to really help them, then we must encourage it's peace negotiations with Russia and use our leverage to reach a better agreement.

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We turn our back on Ukraine and we’re turning our back on Taiwan.

That wouldn’t be good

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The prob seems to be the grandmasters outnumber the tiddiey's Sage

~S~

The "I" in the CIA Doesn't Stand for Intelligence; It Stands for Ego

With all our Left and half our Right opposing him and getting nowhere, it has to be a case of nous defeating numbers.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

We turn our back on Ukraine and we’re turning our back on Taiwan.

You Must Be a Sucker for Panhandlers