The U.S. and other nations have no definition of victory in Ukraine

[Zavulon]

Putin created the war

Let him deal with the consequences

I knew that Putin is a God-like figure in the Western Mythology, but everything should have a limit. You know, the war was created long before Putin or even Ukraine were born.

 

[Litwin]

Many Chechen fighters went to Ukraine and joined the jihad against Russia. Ukraine has become a hotbed of jihadist activities targeting Europe as a result. Despite the danger posed by ISIS-K, Ukraine has not banned jihadists from entering the country.

According to counterterrorism researchers – during the Syrian conflict, Ukraine has been used as a transit point for ISIS fighters who sought to move further into the European nations.

In Ukraine, these individuals receive treatment to improve their health and meet representatives of local terror cells. Additionally, they managed paper marriages with Ukrainian females, which enabled them to get citizenship in the country ultimately.

ISIS Jihadist Enter EU Nations With Ukrainian Passport; Global Terrorists Join War Against Russia: OPED

OPED By: Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury There is an ongoing discussion about thousands of Islamic State (ISIS) fighters entering European Union (EU) nations using Ukrainian passports – sometimes even using non-Muslim names. According to counterterrorism researchers – during the Syrian conflict...

www.eurasiantimes.com

"Many Chechen fighters went to Ukraine and joined the jihad against MONGOL - MOSCOW ULUS ." why not ?

 

[Litwin]

 

[Zavulon]

Russias conditions for peace

You give us what we want and stop bothering us

Why not? It's good, it's real, unlike your delusional conceptions of military victory over Russia, or, even stupider, about another revolution in Russia.

 

[justoffal]

The Russo–Ukrainian war continues. Although Russia’s President Vladimir Putin has indicated an interest in negotiation, the Biden administration has escalated the fighting, most recently by permitting the use of American weapons to strike targets within Russia. Europe’s vocal war party is pushing for even more.
The stakes were evident when Putin expanded military forces along Ukraine’s border in late 2021. NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg admitted: “The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn't sign that.… So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.”
In March 2022, even Zelensky acknowledged as much: “Security guarantees and neutrality, the nuclear-free status of our state. We are ready to agree to it. This is the most important point. This was the first fundamental point for the Russian Federation, as far as I remember. And as far as I remember, they started a war because of this.” Yet the U.S. helped torpedo Russo–Ukrainian negotiations.The continuing war is an obvious disaster for the participants, most importantly Ukraine, since it provides most of the battlefield. The ongoing war is a human catastrophe. Simply giving more aid in hopes that something good will result is not a strategy. This approach ensures continued death and destruction and risks military escalation and expansion.

It's not about victory it's about money laundering and boomerang bucks. Ukraine had been enormously successful in that regard. In the mean time they have gained a dictator for life.

 

[Litwin]

Many Chechen fighters went to Ukraine and joined the jihad against Russia. Ukraine has become a hotbed of jihadist activities targeting Europe as a result. Despite the danger posed by ISIS-K, Ukraine has not banned jihadists from entering the country.

According to counterterrorism researchers – during the Syrian conflict, Ukraine has been used as a transit point for ISIS fighters who sought to move further into the European nations.

In Ukraine, these individuals receive treatment to improve their health and meet representatives of local terror cells. Additionally, they managed paper marriages with Ukrainian females, which enabled them to get citizenship in the country ultimately.

ISIS Jihadist Enter EU Nations With Ukrainian Passport; Global Terrorists Join War Against Russia: OPED

OPED By: Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury There is an ongoing discussion about thousands of Islamic State (ISIS) fighters entering European Union (EU) nations using Ukrainian passports – sometimes even using non-Muslim names. According to counterterrorism researchers – during the Syrian conflict...

www.eurasiantimes.com

Jihad is Moscow horde already , ivan
You are maskali , you are mugs. We Chechens and Dagestanis will rule here in all of the horde "

 

[rightwinger]

Why not? It's good, it's real, unlike your delusional conceptions of military victory over Russia, or, even stupider, about another revolution in Russia.

Ukraine does not need to conquer Russia. They need to maintain an environment hostile to occupying forces. Western military aid allows that.

Every Russian Revolution has come about as a result of war
WWI caused the Russian Revolution in 1917
Afghanistan caused the collapse of the USSR

Putin faces a revolt of civilians tired of an endless war or a military coup from his Generals

 

[Litwin]

Ukraine does not need to conquer Russia. They need to maintain an environment hostile to occupying forces. Western military aid allows that.

Every Russian Revolution has come about as a result of war
WWI caused the Russian Revolution in 1917
Afghanistan caused the collapse of the USSR

Putin faces a revolt of civilians tired of an endless war or a military coup from his Generals

age of the empires has passed ...

Chinese academic Deng Xize : "No more Mongol-Muscovy style empire: Thoughts on the war in Ukraine, ...such empires will no longer be tolerated."​

No more Mongol-Russian style empire: Thoughts on the war in Ukraine

Chinese academic Deng Xize notes that the Mongol and Russian empires were very similar in origin and nature, but the conditions that allowed their rise and spread no longer exist today, leading to their inevitable decline. The global reaction to the war in Ukraine in fact shows that such empires...

www.thinkchina.sg

 

[elektra]

In 1993, who agreed to recognize Israel?

In 1998, who recognized Israel at the UN’s General Assembly?

It is well known that Moslems been killing Jews and driving them out of Arabia for the last 100 years.

 

[Zavulon]

Russia is facing massive casualties

Really? Who said you this? Ukrainians or CNN?

While the US economy can sustain military occupations lasting decades, Russia does not have that luxury.

The US military economy is sinking and bubbling.

Russias days of “they will treat us as liberators” are long gone.

But Ukrainians days "We will welcome them as liberators" just starting. Ask ESay .

They have been brutal to the civilian population and have lost any goodwill

Really? Sonny, you can't even imagine what is the meaning of the word "to be brutal". We are not brutal. Not yet. Both Russia and Ukraine together killed much less children in two years than Israel in two months.

 

[elektra]

Lol.

Since the founding of Israel to today, please tell me the numbers of Israelis versus Palestinians killed and wounded, and displaced? What do you see?

HINT: it’s not close and a conclusion is obvious.

Unfortunately, dumb Americans like you have no knowledge of the entire history. You know of atrocities by Palestinians whom you are indoctrinated to hate, but know nothing of the atrocities by Israel.

You argument is that because the Jews are better trained and have better weapons the are wrong to kill the Moslems killing Jews because the Moslems are hiding behind children.

We all must die when our enemies attack us while hiding behind children.

 

[rightwinger]

Really? Who said you this? Ukrainians or CNN?

The US military economy is sinking and bubbling.


But Ukrainians days "We will welcome them as liberators" just starting. Ask ESay .

Really? Sonny, you can't even imagine what is the meaning of the word "to be brutal". We are not brutal. Not yet. Both Russia and Ukraine together killed much less children in two years than Israel in two months.

Tell us comrade…..Why doesn’t Putin release the numbers of Russian Casualties?

When the US is at war, we recognize and report our war dead. The citizens know how much that war is costing us.

What is Putin afraid of?

The US economy can sustain decades of military occupation in hostile territory……Russia can’t

 

[Litwin]

 

[ESay]

But Ukrainians days "We will welcome them as liberators" just starting. Ask @ESay .

No, you get it wrong. You won't be treated as liberators. 'The war needs to be stopped' - yes, this sentiment is growing. But viewing your dogshit army as liberators - no way.

 

[Zavulon]

Ukraine does not need to conquer Russia. They need to maintain an environment hostile to occupying forces. Western military aid allows that.

You see, there is the big difference between what do you need, and what need Ukrainian people. And with mostly pro-Russian population it's quite easy to get rid of the terrorists. No problems before crossing Zbruch-river. Say nothing, that Russian military aid can allow, say, Mexicans or other groups successfully fight against the USA.

Every Russian Revolution has come about as a result of war
WWI caused the Russian Revolution in 1917
Afghanistan caused the collapse of the USSR

Putin faces a revolt of civilians tired of an endless war or a military coup from his Generals

Actually, in both of those cases the revolutions were not caused by the wars themselves. The problem was not in tiredness of fighting (after WWI we fought the Civil War, and after Afghanistan was much more bloody Chechen campaign).

Anyway, right now there is no revolutionary situation and, what is more important, long before revolutionary situation is formed - Russia will attack the USA directly. Reverting Lenin's quote - "Let's transform the civil war into imperialistic one".

 

[Zavulon]

No, you get it wrong. You won't be treated as liberators. 'The war needs to be stopped' - yes, this sentiment is growing. But viewing your dogshit army as liberators - no way.

Ok. Let's play the game. Tomorrow Ukrainian government declare - "Every one, who consider himself as a Russian, Jew or Hungarian, can leave Ukraine with the proper compensation for his property left. And everyone who wants to die for Ukraine - can stay here and die for his belief". How many of them will stay?

 

[rightwinger]

You see, there is the big difference between what do you need, and what need Ukrainian people. And with mostly pro-Russian population it's quite easy to get rid of the terrorists. No problems before crossing Zbruch-river. Say nothing, that Russian military aid can allow, say, Mexicans or other groups successfully fight against the USA.

You see…….The Western Powers are willing to spend money to kill Russians.
We are sending increasingly more lethal weapons systems to kill more Russians

When will the Russian people grow tired of burying their sons to support a senseless invasion by a mad Dictator?

 

[rightwinger]

Ok. Let's play the game. Tomorrow Ukrainian government declare - "Every one, who consider himself as a Russian, Jew or Hungarian, can leave Ukraine with the proper compensation for his property left. And everyone who wants to die for Ukraine - can stay here and die for his belief". How many of them will stay?

Or we can play this game…

Russian soldiers who are tired of senseless killing can go home and return to their lives

 

[Zavulon]

Tell us comrade…..Why doesn’t Putin release the numbers of Russian Casualties?

For what practical reason?

When the US is at war, we recognize and report our war dead. The citizens know how much that war is costing us.

To be honest, the USA never was at real war. Playing games with Indians and Mexicans? Pushing down southern separatists? Expeditions in the foreign lands? It's not serious.

What is Putin afraid of?

The US economy can sustain decades of military occupation in hostile territory……Russia can’t

Ukraine is not hostile territory. It's warm and mild, like, say, inhabitated regions of Canada. And population there is mostly Russian and pro-Russian.
What is even more important, if we play economic war of attrition, and both sides attack energy infrastructure of each other via proxies, then Russia lost a bit of money, and the USA lost a lot of import energy (including oil and gas).

 

[ESay]

Ok. Let's play the game. Tomorrow Ukrainian government declare - "Every one, who consider himself as a Russian, Jew or Hungarian, can leave Ukraine with the proper compensation for his property left. And everyone who wants to die for Ukraine - can stay here and die for his belief". How many of them will stay?

Don't know, maybe it will be a significant number, if a proper compensation will be applied. Though, not sure. The Jews mostly left in 1990s-2000s, and then in 2022. I think their numbers in Ukraine now are quite small. The Hungarians are doing pretty well in Zakarpatie region. Russians? There is a big difference between Russians and Russian-speaking Ukrainians ( in their self-identification, first of all).

I think that every person should be able to leave Ukraine if they want. No matter, a Ukrainian or Russian or Hungarian or something else. The decision about the border's closure is illegal.