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That's a profoundly terrible ruling.
It's a pretty small victory; Hobby Lobby will have to cover some forms of contraception; it applies to 4 types.
However,
Appearance is a reality in Politics and it looks like a defeat for the Administration so it is.
A national corporate chain doesn't have to pay their employees a decent wage or health benefits.
Great ruling, Supreme Court! You've made morons happy.
Hobby Lobby provides better insurance that you will ever get from Obamacare, but keep pretending you are an intelligent person.
Why not? This ruling apparently gives license to do so--if your religion's tenants are that men should not be subordinate women as is the case in Islam from the best I can tell.I want you to do me a favor. Take this out of the insurance argument.
Let me ask you this: Lets say that someday a company is founded by a Muslim that becomes, lets say, a nationwide chain of car dealerships. As we know, Muslims have a big problem being subordinate to a woman.
Could a company that is completely privately held by a Muslim family, find religious footing to not promote women?
They most certainly can deny promotions, but they aren't stupid enough to say it was based on the sex of the person.
How about any Christians or Jews that they have on the payroll. Would they get promoted in a closely held muslim company, if they even hired any?
As far as I know, there is nothing in the religion about males being subordinate to other males who are Christians or Jews.
I'm wondering if you realize how unstable you sound?Why not? This ruling apparently gives license to do so--if your religion's tenants are that men should not be subordinate women as is the case in Islam from the best I can tell.I want you to do me a favor. Take this out of the insurance argument.
Let me ask you this: Lets say that someday a company is founded by a Muslim that becomes, lets say, a nationwide chain of car dealerships. As we know, Muslims have a big problem being subordinate to a woman.
Could a company that is completely privately held by a Muslim family, find religious footing to not promote women?
They most certainly can deny promotions, but they aren't stupid enough to say it was based on the sex of the person.
How about any Christians or Jews that they have on the payroll. Would they get promoted in a closely held muslim company, if they even hired any?
As far as I know, there is nothing in the religion about males being subordinate to other males who are Christians or Jews.
Cover Viagra, cover Birth Control. BC is a whole lot cheaper than paying for pregnancy. Common sense.The left tells you to stay out of their bedrooms and and that it's their body, until it's time to pay the bill. Then it's your duty or else you are conducting a war on women.
Go to hell.
That's a profoundly terrible ruling.
It's a pretty small victory; Hobby Lobby will have to cover some forms of contraception; it applies to 4 types.
However,
Appearance is a reality in Politics and it looks like a defeat for the Administration so it is.
Hobby Lobby was providing contraception before Obamacare came along, they just have the right to refuse to provide products that violate their religions beliefs.
But you are right about it being a defeat for Obama's side, he tried to argue that people lose their 1st Amendment rights when they start a business. He was smacked hard for that.
Sharia Law is based on religious beliefs and doctrines. If the Court has held that religious 'laws' can be exempted from having to adhere to other protected rights in the Constitution,
then Sharia law becomes superior to the Constitution.
Where is the "protected right" of free contraception and morning after pills being provided by corporations in the US Constitution?
The protected right is equal treatment under the law.
Companies get sold all the time; should I have to give up my career if my new employers are Muslim? How would I be able to find out if they are Muslim? I don't know the faith of my current company's owners.... In fact, with the exception of my first job, I haven't known the religious faith of any of my employers.
Partnerships have buy-outs all the time too. What if your family-held-business decides they want to convert to Islam; should I have to quit because of their religious beliefs getting in the way of my career?
I'm really not trying to play "gotcha"; I was curious if this opens the door to the Muslim family to employ this argument for not promoting women.
Can you answer it?
I did answer it. I think it was post #98.
The answer is YES, YOU WOULD NEED TO CHANGE JOBS. It's called property rights. You buy something, you own it. Employees have had to change jobs for many reasons, and I'm certain that Unfairness is at the top of each one's excuse.
Grow Up.
and it all goes back to the same argument...one that makes sense, but the left refuses to acknowledge.
If an employer does something that turns the employees off, they will not be able to retain the better employees.
Who does this NOT affect?
The mediocre employees that work 9-5 but show no differential. And that, too, is their choice.
Likewise, if a business does something that the general public doesn't like, the company will find it hard to stay in business as the public will likely stay away form their product.
Awesome. Now we can all die because a corporation can assert that their religion prevents them from covering blood transfusions and life saving procedures. While they laugh their asses off to the bank knowing they lied, got Americans killed, and take in more profits.
This country is heading to third world status fast.
omg.. EPIC meltdown starting..
I know this is hard for you but think about it.
You get cancer, you expect your company's insurance plan to cover it. However, the corporation says it's against their religion to cover any cancer treatments. Well now they have legal precedent to do that. So they save money and you die. How is that okay? I am shocked how so many conservatives are excited about this. Your company now has legal precedent to let you die. Did you even think about that?
Our founding fathers are rolling over in their graves.
It was also a warning bell that the government is on some pretty shaky ground in the Little Sisters of the Poor case.
Yes, I am gloating, so what. The other side would be gloating if they won.
[MENTION=25283]Sallow[/MENTION] the ACA already discriminates by religion through govt regulations based on religionPossibly, but I doubt it.
It is.
It has opened the door to religious discrimination.
This was an extremely stupid ruling.
It's nonsense.
I want you to do me a favor. Take this out of the insurance argument.
Let me ask you this: Lets say that someday a company is founded by a Muslim that becomes, lets say, a nationwide chain of car dealerships. As we know, Muslims have a big problem being subordinate to a woman.
Could a company that is completely privately held by a Muslim family, find religious footing to not promote women?
Have to see what the scope of the ruling is
On the surface, it can go well beyond birth control
If my boss is Jehovah's Witness, will the insurance he provides have to cover blood transfusions? If my boss is Southern Baptist and my child needs stem cell therapy, will the insurance he provides be required to cover it?
The Conservatives are crowing about this Hobby Lobby decision. Well, crowing right up until they are forced to realize that the religious knife cuts deeper than contraceptives.
Companies get sold all the time; should I have to give up my career if my new employers are Muslim? How would I be able to find out if they are Muslim? I don't know the faith of my current company's owners.... In fact, with the exception of my first job, I haven't known the religious faith of any of my employers.
Partnerships have buy-outs all the time too. What if your family-held-business decides they want to convert to Islam; should I have to quit because of their religious beliefs getting in the way of my career?
I'm really not trying to play "gotcha"; I was curious if this opens the door to the Muslim family to employ this argument for not promoting women.
Can you answer it?
I did answer it. I think it was post #98.
The answer is YES, YOU WOULD NEED TO CHANGE JOBS. It's called property rights. You buy something, you own it. Employees have had to change jobs for many reasons, and I'm certain that Unfairness is at the top of each one's excuse.
Grow Up.
Thanks for the clarity. Swallow must be right then. If you're okay with this--that you can be discriminated against--LEGALLY--because of the owner's faith then today is a dark day.
Not so much if the question is contraception but if your career is now jeopardized simply because of your gender and the court approves of it...we are in trouble.
Why not? This ruling apparently gives license to do so--if your religion's tenants are that men should not be subordinate women as is the case in Islam from the best I can tell.They most certainly can deny promotions, but they aren't stupid enough to say it was based on the sex of the person.
How about any Christians or Jews that they have on the payroll. Would they get promoted in a closely held muslim company, if they even hired any?
As far as I know, there is nothing in the religion about males being subordinate to other males who are Christians or Jews.
This ruling does not give carte blanc to companies to abuse employees, and in fact, the ruling simply says that an employee cannot force someone else to pay for specific health needs that violate their own beliefs. It DOES NOT STOP THEM from going out and having those health needs met.
Not in any way, shape or form.
I did answer it. I think it was post #98.
The answer is YES, YOU WOULD NEED TO CHANGE JOBS. It's called property rights. You buy something, you own it. Employees have had to change jobs for many reasons, and I'm certain that Unfairness is at the top of each one's excuse.
Grow Up.
Thanks for the clarity. Swallow must be right then. If you're okay with this--that you can be discriminated against--LEGALLY--because of the owner's faith then today is a dark day.
Not so much if the question is contraception but if your career is now jeopardized simply because of your gender and the court approves of it...we are in trouble.
No discrimination here. Providing job health insurance is not a law. No one is stopping anyone from buying BC. Where do you get the idea that your employer has to give you free health insurance?
Possibly, but I doubt it.
It is.
It has opened the door to religious discrimination.
This was an extremely stupid ruling.
It's nonsense.
I want you to do me a favor. Take this out of the insurance argument.
Let me ask you this: Lets say that someday a company is founded by a Muslim that becomes, lets say, a nationwide chain of car dealerships. As we know, Muslims have a big problem being subordinate to a woman.
Could a company that is completely privately held by a Muslim family, find religious footing to not promote women?
Why not? This ruling apparently gives license to do so--if your religion's tenants are that men should not be subordinate women as is the case in Islam from the best I can tell.
As far as I know, there is nothing in the religion about males being subordinate to other males who are Christians or Jews.
This ruling does not give carte blanc to companies to abuse employees, and in fact, the ruling simply says that an employee cannot force someone else to pay for specific health needs that violate their own beliefs. It DOES NOT STOP THEM from going out and having those health needs met.
Not in any way, shape or form.
Okay...so you're saying that if I work for ABC Dry Cleaners or XYZ Car Dealership as a counter person or salesperson and one day, the owner sells to someone who practices Islam, they CANNOT use their religious beliefs to avoid promoting me; the belief that I would be supervising men and their religion forbids it (as best I can tell)?
[MENTION=21821]Samson[/MENTION] seems to think that the new owners of ABC Dry Cleaners of XYZ Car Dealership now has that right.
It has nothing to do with contraception or healthcare--my question doesn't anyway.
Again, no "gotcha" being played here. I am curious if this ruling allows such a thing.
