Taliban Released By Trump After Afghanistan Surrender Join Hamas In Attack On Israel

[Procrustes Stretched]

I am not interested in this useless non sequitur.

Real News (Not FOX):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/10/09/israel-hamas-americans/

Here in the United States, I have less patience than usual (which is often none) for inane right-wing rhetoric about the attacks. No, there were no humanitarian funds released to Iran that might have put money in the mullahs’ pockets to be spent on Hamas. No, the Biden administration did not invite any of this. Republicans used to denounce the urge to “blame America first” for monstrous evil perpetrated by others. No more.

The images we see have been compared to the 1973 Yom Kippur War or the 1948 Arab attack on the new state of Israel. But worse, they rekindle Jews’ collective memories from the Middle Ages to The Pale to Germany, when pogroms and mass killings terrorized children and women targeted by murderous, rampaging forces. That feeling of helplessness, of vulnerability, was what Israel was supposed to eradicate. No longer would Jews be at the mercy of other nations, their armies and police; a state of our own would allow us to protect ourselves. But when it does not, when it fails at so many levels (intelligence, political, strategic, etc.), and Jews are left cowering in their homes, Jews in Israel and around the world are left reeling.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Real News (Not FOX):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/10/09/israel-hamas-americans/

Here in the United States, I have less patience than usual (which is often none) for inane right-wing rhetoric about the attacks. No, there were no humanitarian funds released to Iran that might have put money in the mullahs’ pockets to be spent on Hamas. No, the Biden administration did not invite any of this. Republicans used to denounce the urge to “blame America first” for monstrous evil perpetrated by others. No more.

The images we see have been compared to the 1973 Yom Kippur War or the 1948 Arab attack on the new state of Israel. But worse, they rekindle Jews’ collective memories from the Middle Ages to The Pale to Germany, when pogroms and mass killings terrorized children and women targeted by murderous, rampaging forces. That feeling of helplessness, of vulnerability, was what Israel was supposed to eradicate. No longer would Jews be at the mercy of other nations, their armies and police; a state of our own would allow us to protect ourselves. But when it does not, when it fails at so many levels (intelligence, political, strategic, etc.), and Jews are left cowering in their homes, Jews in Israel and around the world are left reeling.

What I stated wasn't partisan rhetoric and was not intended to be so. You can apply it to any US President. Like, Biden.

 

[Catsnmeters]

You obviously missed the fact that incompetent Biden was president and retreated from Afghanistan. It was in the news. How did you miss it?

Trump retreated from afghan but not before he released dozens of terrorists and withdrew troops down to 2500.

What an idiot. Trump ruins everything he touches and should be held accountable.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Trump retreated from afghan but not before he released dozens of terrorists and withdrew troops down to 2500.

What an idiot. Trump ruins everything he touches and should be held accountable.

Not Trump's fault. It's not as if the Afghans were intending to -- or even capable of -- keeping the Talibani terrorists in prisons.

I am all ears, if anyone has an Afghan exit strategy that would have yielded better results. Everyone had 20 years come up with one.

So let's hear it!

 

[Hollie]

Trump retreated from afghan but not before he released dozens of terrorists and withdrew troops down to 2500.

What an idiot. Trump ruins everything he touches and should be held accountable.

Trump did not withdraw from Afghanistan. That happend under Biden.

These are facts you can easily confirm.

 

[BlindBoo]

You have your facts wrong as usual

Trump was going to leave 2500 troops in Baghram he wasn't going to ever give that up as a condition of calling the war officially over

Biden pulled all the troops out first before pulling out equipment, personnel, allies etc

Baloney. He knew he lost the election before the ordered the complete withdrawal by Jan 15th, 2001, .......

Based on my advice and the advice of the commanders, then Secretary of Defense, Esper, submitted a memorandum on nine November recommending to maintain US forces at a level between about 2500 and 4500 in Afghanistan until conditions were met for further reduction. Two days later on 11, November, 2020, I received an unclassified signed order directing the United States military to withdraw all forces from Afghanistan no later than 15, January, 2021.

Gen. Milley: (32:48)
After further discussions regarding the risks associated with such a withdrawal, the order was rescinded. On 17 November we received a order, to reduce levels to 2,500 plus enabling forces no later than 15 January. When president Biden was inaugurated, there were approximately 3,500 US troops, 5,400 NATO troops and 6,300 contractors in Afghanistan with a specified task of train, advise and assist along with a small contingent of counter terrorism forces.

Military Leaders, Gen. Milley Testify on Afghanistan Exit: Full Hearing Transcript | Rev

Gen. Mark Milley and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin testified on the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan during a Senate hearing on September 28. Milley addressed his calls with China. Read the transcript of the hearing below.

www.rev.com

In following our conditions from the Doha Accords, Trump had already abandon 5 military bases we had. After his loss to Joe in Nov., why would he give a shit about Bagram? Notice it was the Military planners who didn't think we had enough troops to defend Bagram. Who evacuated most of our remaining troops without ensuring the Taliban followed their condition of the Doha Accords?

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

 

[BlindBoo]

Not trumps fault. It's not as if the Afghans were intending to -- or even capable of -- keeping the Talibani terrorists in prisons.

I am all ears, if anyone has an Afghan exit strategy that would have yielded better results. Everyone had 20 years come up with one.

So let's hear it!

Not Trumps fault for the 16 years prior to his presidency. However, for calling the Doha Accord a Conditional Withdrawal and then allowing the Taliban to ignore 6 out of 7 conditions for our withdrawal is his fault. Not only that but it was one of the main reasons the Taliban was in such a commanding position when the Afghan Army dissolved. By not insisting on a cease fire between the Taliban and the Afghan Army before our withdrawal, he let the fighting continue all throughout 2020.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Not Trumps fault for the 16 years prior to his presidency. However, for calling the Doha Accord a Conditional Withdrawal and then allowing the Taliban to ignore 6 out of 7 conditions for our withdrawal is his fault

No it isn't. Not ignoring those conditions would have meant escalating in Afghanistan. Which was the opposite, ya know, of leaving Afghanistan.

Was that the plan you recommend? Do a 180 and continue to prosecute the same war we prosecuted for 20 years without an end in sight?

Doesn't seem like much of an "exit strategy".

 

[Catsnmeters]

Trump did not withdraw from Afghanistan. That happend under Biden.

These are facts you can easily confirm.

They are easy to confirm.

"The Trump administration in February 2020 negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban that excluded the Afghan government, freed 5,000 imprisoned Taliban soldiers and set a date certain of May 1, 2021, for the final withdrawal.

And the Trump administration kept to the pact, reducing U.S. troop levels from about 13,000 to 2,500, even though the Taliban continued to attack Afghan government forces and welcomed al-Qaeda terrorists into the Taliban leadership"

Timeline of U.S. Withdrawal from Afghanistan - FactCheck.org

We lay out many of the key diplomatic decisions, military actions, presidential pronouncements and expert assessments of the withdrawal agreement that ended the U.S. military's 20-year war in Afghanistan.

www.factcheck.org

 

[TheYellowKing]

Link.


Do you think 2500 soldiers is enough to evacuate all the weapons and materials in a safe and timely manner?

Dumbass most of if not all of the equipment was already at Baghram. Trump planned to remove that equipment should the Taliban keep its commitments.

Biden took over and the Taliban started up again cause they knew he was weak and we got proof of that didn't we

 

[TheYellowKing]

Baloney. He knew he lost the election before the ordered the complete withdrawal by Jan 15th, 2001, .......

Based on my advice and the advice of the commanders, then Secretary of Defense, Esper, submitted a memorandum on nine November recommending to maintain US forces at a level between about 2500 and 4500 in Afghanistan until conditions were met for further reduction. Two days later on 11, November, 2020, I received an unclassified signed order directing the United States military to withdraw all forces from Afghanistan no later than 15, January, 2021.

Gen. Milley: (32:48)
After further discussions regarding the risks associated with such a withdrawal, the order was rescinded. On 17 November we received a order, to reduce levels to 2,500 plus enabling forces no later than 15 January. When president Biden was inaugurated, there were approximately 3,500 US troops, 5,400 NATO troops and 6,300 contractors in Afghanistan with a specified task of train, advise and assist along with a small contingent of counter terrorism forces.

Military Leaders, Gen. Milley Testify on Afghanistan Exit: Full Hearing Transcript | Rev

Gen. Mark Milley and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin testified on the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan during a Senate hearing on September 28. Milley addressed his calls with China. Read the transcript of the hearing below.

www.rev.com

In following our conditions from the Doha Accords, Trump had already abandon 5 military bases we had. After his loss to Joe in Nov., why would he give a shit about Bagram? Notice it was the Military planners who didn't think we had enough troops to defend Bagram. Who evacuated most of our remaining troops without ensuring the Taliban followed their condition of the Doha Accords?

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

Yeah I'm sure Milley is telling the truth

 

[Hollie]

They are easy to confirm.

"The Trump administration in February 2020 negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban that excluded the Afghan government, freed 5,000 imprisoned Taliban soldiers and set a date certain of May 1, 2021, for the final withdrawal.

And the Trump administration kept to the pact, reducing U.S. troop levels from about 13,000 to 2,500, even though the Taliban continued to attack Afghan government forces and welcomed al-Qaeda terrorists into the Taliban leadership"

Timeline of U.S. Withdrawal from Afghanistan - FactCheck.org

We lay out many of the key diplomatic decisions, military actions, presidential pronouncements and expert assessments of the withdrawal agreement that ended the U.S. military's 20-year war in Afghanistan.

www.factcheck.org

The above confirms what I wrote previously. Trump did not withdraw from Afghanistan. That was done under Biden as a complete calamity.

If you use the term, "Biden withdrawal from Afghanistan", in a search engine, you can confirm what I wrote.

 

[BlindBoo]

No it isn't. Not ignoring those conditions would have meant escalating in Afghanistan. Which was the opposite, ya know, of leaving Afghanistan.

Was that the plan you recommend? Do a 180 and continue to prosecute the same war we prosecuted for 20 years without an end in sight?

Doesn't seem like much of an "exit strategy".

It might have, but we still had over 20,000 troop if you include NATO forces to use as a bargaining chip as a way to jump start the truce and peace talks between the Taliban and our Afghan Allies. If he just wanted a Skedaddle agreement I'm sure the Taliban would have gladly entered into a truce with us while we Skedaddled. It is practically what happened anyway. Biden wasn't going back to war with the forces he was left with and he wasn't redeploying any more troop for combat.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Dumbass most of if not all of the equipment was already at Baghram. Trump planned to remove that equipment should the Taliban keep its commitments.

Link?

Biden took over and the Taliban started up again cause they knew he was weak and we got proof of that didn't we

Biden took over and saw we only had 2500 troops there and hundreds of terrorists were set free.

He would have had to redeploy turns of thousands of troops to get our stuff back...which would be odd considering leaving stuff behind is what we always do.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It might have, but we still had over 20,000 troop if you include NATO forces to use as a bargaining chip as a way to jump start the truce and peace talks between the Taliban and our Afghan Allies.

Troops that were on the way out the door and could never have effectively enforced anything. So you either escalate or leave. The American people chose the latter. Unfortunately we are a country of reactionary and uninformed partisans, so someone was going to make hay of the events caused by our enemies.

 

[BlindBoo]

Yeah I'm sure Milley is telling the truth

He was nominated by the Trumpybear himself. He was under oath in front of both chambers of Congress in public as well as in a classified question and answer session. It would be fun to see Benedict Donald under oath in front of ........ anybody!

 

[Catsnmeters]

The above confirms what I wrote previously. Trump did not withdraw from Afghanistan. That was done under Biden as a complete calamity.

He withdrew to 2500 troops after setting hundreds of terrorists free.

What did you expect Biden to do with 2500 troops?

If you use the term, "Biden withdrawal from Afghanistan", in a search engine, you can confirm what I wrote.

Biden did withdraw the last few remaining troops that were left but the "withdrawal" deal was orchestrated under Trump when he withdrew all but 2500 troops and released hundreds of terrorists.

Of course as we all know, Trump tried to withdraw the meager troops remaining with 4 days left in his presidency.

Trump is an abject failure at everything.

"President Donald Trump ordered a rapid withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Afghanistan and Somalia in the wake of his 2020 election loss, but senior officials never followed through on the plan, according to testimony released by the congressional January 6 committee on Thursday.

“The order was for an immediate withdrawal, and it would have been catastrophic,” said Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., one of two Republican members of the special panel. “And yet President Trump signed the order.”

Trump ordered rapid withdrawal from Afghanistan after election loss

The memo was among the latest revelations from the congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol building.

www.militarytimes.com

 

[BlindBoo]

Troops that were on the way out the door and could never have effectively enforced anything. So you either escalate or leave. The American people chose the latter. Unfortunately we are a country of reactionary and uninformed partisans, so someone was going to make hay of the events caused by our enemies.

The Taliban didn't want war and could have been convince to at least start the peace process, and not go on the offensive until we left. That would have given the Afghan Army more time, not that it would have mattered in the long run most likely. Our estimates were at most 18 months before the Taliban would succeed.

 

[Hollie]

He withdrew to 2500 troops after setting hundreds of terrorists free.

What did you expect Biden to do with 2500 troops?


Biden did withdraw the last few remaining troops that were left but the "withdrawal" deal was orchestrated under Trump when he withdrew all but 2500 troops and released hundreds of terrorists.

Of course as we all know, Trump tried to withdraw the meager troops remaining with 4 days left in his presidency.

Trump is an abject failure at everything.

"President Donald Trump ordered a rapid withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Afghanistan and Somalia in the wake of his 2020 election loss, but senior officials never followed through on the plan, according to testimony released by the congressional January 6 committee on Thursday.

“The order was for an immediate withdrawal, and it would have been catastrophic,” said Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., one of two Republican members of the special panel. “And yet President Trump signed the order.”

Trump ordered rapid withdrawal from Afghanistan after election loss

The memo was among the latest revelations from the congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol building.

www.militarytimes.com

You confirmed what I responded to you with earlier. You confirmed that the cowardly and disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan took place under Biden.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The Taliban didn't want war and could have been convince to at least start the peace process, and not go on the offensive until we left.

They did negotiate peace. That was the Trump surrender agreement.

The only and best one anyone came up with for 20 years.

Let's not all act shocked when the death cult suddenly acts in bad faith. That was inevitable.