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“Foolish liberals who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of the Constitution by claiming it's not an individual right or that it's too much of a public safety hazard, don't see the danger in the big picture. They're courting disaster by encouraging others to use the same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution they don't like.”
― Alan M. Dershowitz
OJ didn't do it
-Alan M Dershowitz
“Foolish liberals who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of the Constitution by claiming it's not an individual right or that it's too much of a public safety hazard, don't see the danger in the big picture. They're courting disaster by encouraging others to use the same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution they don't like.”
― Alan M. Dershowitz
OJ didn't do it
-Alan M Dershowitz
OJ did do it. A man can be right in some things and yet wrong in others.
Dershowitz was wrong and is wrong about OJ.
But -- That doesn't tell us anything about the rectitude of Dershowitz' quote concerning the 2d Amendment.
In short, your point was pointless.
as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
Jefferson never said anything of the sort!
No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms Quotation Thomas Jefferson s Monticello
Note: This sentence is often seen paired with the following: "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." That sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution drafts or text as adopted, nor in any other Jefferson writings that we know of.
Once again the gun fetishists lie about the Founding Fathers in order to justify their obsession about this mythical "tyrannical government" that does not exist.
What a massive quivering quibble.
No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (Quotation)This sentence comes from Thomas Jefferson's three drafts of the Virginia Constitution. The text does vary slightly in each draft:
First Draft: "No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms."[1]
Second Draft: "No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements]."[2]
Third Draft: "No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements]"[3]
This sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution as adopted.
Note: This sentence is often seen paired with the following: "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." That sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution drafts or text as adopted, nor in any other Jefferson writings that we know of.
Footnotes
So, let's just recap, shall we? Yes. We shall. YOU are feeling all triumphant because the portion of the quote ATTRIBUTED to Jefferson may not have been said by him. The Part? The part about "last resort."
Man. You are a magnificent stud of quoting others' work, when they conclude (and perhaps correctly) that Jefferson's alleged words may not have been his actual words.
But here's the rub. Jefferson DID say the first part (in all three drafts)!
No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms.
So you libs who wish to disarm the citizenry are at odds with Thomas Jefferson AND the Constitution itself AND the SCOTUS analysis of the legal and historical purpose of the 2d Amendment.
“Foolish liberals who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of the Constitution by claiming it's not an individual right or that it's too much of a public safety hazard, don't see the danger in the big picture. They're courting disaster by encouraging others to use the same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution they don't like.”
― Alan M. Dershowitz
OJ didn't do it
-Alan M Dershowitz
OJ did do it. A man can be right in some things and yet wrong in others.
Dershowitz was wrong and is wrong about OJ.
But -- That doesn't tell us anything about the rectitude of Dershowitz' quote concerning the 2d Amendment.
In short, your point was pointless.
It shows that Dershowitz turned into a political whore decades ago
I can't remember the last presidential candidate who advocated armed insurrection against our governmentas a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
Jefferson never said anything of the sort!
No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms Quotation Thomas Jefferson s Monticello
Note: This sentence is often seen paired with the following: "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." That sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution drafts or text as adopted, nor in any other Jefferson writings that we know of.
Once again the gun fetishists lie about the Founding Fathers in order to justify their obsession about this mythical "tyrannical government" that does not exist.
What a massive quivering quibble.
No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (Quotation)This sentence comes from Thomas Jefferson's three drafts of the Virginia Constitution. The text does vary slightly in each draft:
First Draft: "No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms."[1]
Second Draft: "No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements]."[2]
Third Draft: "No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements]"[3]
This sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution as adopted.
Note: This sentence is often seen paired with the following: "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." That sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution drafts or text as adopted, nor in any other Jefferson writings that we know of.
Footnotes
So, let's just recap, shall we? Yes. We shall. YOU are feeling all triumphant because the portion of the quote ATTRIBUTED to Jefferson may not have been said by him. The Part? The part about "last resort."
Man. You are a magnificent stud of quoting others' work, when they conclude (and perhaps correctly) that Jefferson's alleged words may not have been his actual words.
But here's the rub. Jefferson DID say the first part (in all three drafts)!
No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms.
So you libs who wish to disarm the citizenry are at odds with Thomas Jefferson AND the Constitution itself AND the SCOTUS analysis of the legal and historical purpose of the 2d Amendment.
The second part is what you are fallaciously trying to use to justify Cruz's sedition.
Too bad you were caught lying about Jefferson because you didn't do your homework.
Next time try not to whine so much, 'mkay?
as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
Jefferson never said anything of the sort!
No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms Quotation Thomas Jefferson s Monticello
Note: This sentence is often seen paired with the following: "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." That sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution drafts or text as adopted, nor in any other Jefferson writings that we know of.
Once again the gun fetishists lie about the Founding Fathers in order to justify their obsession about this mythical "tyrannical government" that does not exist.
What a massive quivering quibble.
No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (Quotation)This sentence comes from Thomas Jefferson's three drafts of the Virginia Constitution. The text does vary slightly in each draft:
First Draft: "No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms."[1]
Second Draft: "No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements]."[2]
Third Draft: "No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements]"[3]
This sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution as adopted.
Note: This sentence is often seen paired with the following: "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." That sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution drafts or text as adopted, nor in any other Jefferson writings that we know of.
Footnotes
So, let's just recap, shall we? Yes. We shall. YOU are feeling all triumphant because the portion of the quote ATTRIBUTED to Jefferson may not have been said by him. The Part? The part about "last resort."
Man. You are a magnificent stud of quoting others' work, when they conclude (and perhaps correctly) that Jefferson's alleged words may not have been his actual words.
But here's the rub. Jefferson DID say the first part (in all three drafts)!
No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms.
So you libs who wish to disarm the citizenry are at odds with Thomas Jefferson AND the Constitution itself AND the SCOTUS analysis of the legal and historical purpose of the 2d Amendment.
The second part is what you are fallaciously trying to use to justify Cruz's sedition.
Too bad you were caught lying about Jefferson because you didn't do your homework.
Next time try not to whine so much, 'mkay?
I can't remember the last presidential candidate who advocated armed insurrection against our governmentas a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
Jefferson never said anything of the sort!
No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms Quotation Thomas Jefferson s Monticello
Note: This sentence is often seen paired with the following: "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." That sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution drafts or text as adopted, nor in any other Jefferson writings that we know of.
Once again the gun fetishists lie about the Founding Fathers in order to justify their obsession about this mythical "tyrannical government" that does not exist.
What a massive quivering quibble.
No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (Quotation)This sentence comes from Thomas Jefferson's three drafts of the Virginia Constitution. The text does vary slightly in each draft:
First Draft: "No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms."[1]
Second Draft: "No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements]."[2]
Third Draft: "No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements]"[3]
This sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution as adopted.
Note: This sentence is often seen paired with the following: "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." That sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution drafts or text as adopted, nor in any other Jefferson writings that we know of.
Footnotes
So, let's just recap, shall we? Yes. We shall. YOU are feeling all triumphant because the portion of the quote ATTRIBUTED to Jefferson may not have been said by him. The Part? The part about "last resort."
Man. You are a magnificent stud of quoting others' work, when they conclude (and perhaps correctly) that Jefferson's alleged words may not have been his actual words.
But here's the rub. Jefferson DID say the first part (in all three drafts)!
No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms.
So you libs who wish to disarm the citizenry are at odds with Thomas Jefferson AND the Constitution itself AND the SCOTUS analysis of the legal and historical purpose of the 2d Amendment.
The second part is what you are fallaciously trying to use to justify Cruz's sedition.
Too bad you were caught lying about Jefferson because you didn't do your homework.
Next time try not to whine so much, 'mkay?
as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
Jefferson never said anything of the sort!
No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms Quotation Thomas Jefferson s Monticello
Note: This sentence is often seen paired with the following: "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." That sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution drafts or text as adopted, nor in any other Jefferson writings that we know of.
Once again the gun fetishists lie about the Founding Fathers in order to justify their obsession about this mythical "tyrannical government" that does not exist.
What a massive quivering quibble.
No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (Quotation)This sentence comes from Thomas Jefferson's three drafts of the Virginia Constitution. The text does vary slightly in each draft:
First Draft: "No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms."[1]
Second Draft: "No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements]."[2]
Third Draft: "No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements]"[3]
This sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution as adopted.
Note: This sentence is often seen paired with the following: "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." That sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution drafts or text as adopted, nor in any other Jefferson writings that we know of.
Footnotes
So, let's just recap, shall we? Yes. We shall. YOU are feeling all triumphant because the portion of the quote ATTRIBUTED to Jefferson may not have been said by him. The Part? The part about "last resort."
Man. You are a magnificent stud of quoting others' work, when they conclude (and perhaps correctly) that Jefferson's alleged words may not have been his actual words.
But here's the rub. Jefferson DID say the first part (in all three drafts)!
No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms.
So you libs who wish to disarm the citizenry are at odds with Thomas Jefferson AND the Constitution itself AND the SCOTUS analysis of the legal and historical purpose of the 2d Amendment.
The second part is what you are fallaciously trying to use to justify Cruz's sedition.
Too bad you were caught lying about Jefferson because you didn't do your homework.
Next time try not to whine so much, 'mkay?
The second part is what was quoted (and has been quoted repeatedly). Your second-hand "scholarship" as we all know is just a cheese dick effort by you to play "gotchya!"
And you are sloppy anyway. Only a dick head like you would call it a "lie" which it wasn't. For only a simpleton pontificating gas bag bitch like you would assume that a mistake is the same thing as a "lie."
So, in brief, stop your own whining instead of pretending you have some authority to worry about what you falsely accuse me of doing.
Try to stick to he ACTUAL point.
the ACTUAL point, to refresh your weak-minded ability to track the conversation, is WHETHER or not what Cruz said was historically correct.
And it was (notwithstanding the fact that TJ may not have said the portion that has long been attributed to him).
Let's say that again for your petty narrow weak mind, Dizzy.
What CRUZ said about the 2d Amendment was historically CORRECT. And for all your whining, braying and whinnying, you can't actually refute it.
* * * *
I can't remember the last presidential candidate who advocated armed insurrection against our government
* * * *
* * * *
That would be a flattering self portrait if you could be honest, Dizzy.
Alas, you don't seem up to the task of being honest today.
I can't remember the last presidential candidate who advocated armed insurrection against our governmentas a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
Jefferson never said anything of the sort!
No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms Quotation Thomas Jefferson s Monticello
Note: This sentence is often seen paired with the following: "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." That sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution drafts or text as adopted, nor in any other Jefferson writings that we know of.
Once again the gun fetishists lie about the Founding Fathers in order to justify their obsession about this mythical "tyrannical government" that does not exist.
What a massive quivering quibble.
No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (Quotation)This sentence comes from Thomas Jefferson's three drafts of the Virginia Constitution. The text does vary slightly in each draft:
First Draft: "No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms."[1]
Second Draft: "No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements]."[2]
Third Draft: "No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements]"[3]
This sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution as adopted.
Note: This sentence is often seen paired with the following: "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." That sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution drafts or text as adopted, nor in any other Jefferson writings that we know of.
Footnotes
So, let's just recap, shall we? Yes. We shall. YOU are feeling all triumphant because the portion of the quote ATTRIBUTED to Jefferson may not have been said by him. The Part? The part about "last resort."
Man. You are a magnificent stud of quoting others' work, when they conclude (and perhaps correctly) that Jefferson's alleged words may not have been his actual words.
But here's the rub. Jefferson DID say the first part (in all three drafts)!
No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms.
So you libs who wish to disarm the citizenry are at odds with Thomas Jefferson AND the Constitution itself AND the SCOTUS analysis of the legal and historical purpose of the 2d Amendment.
The second part is what you are fallaciously trying to use to justify Cruz's sedition.
Too bad you were caught lying about Jefferson because you didn't do your homework.
Next time try not to whine so much, 'mkay?
So what? You can make the hollow and dishonest claim that Cruz is somehow a candidate who has advocated for it. But that would be quite fully dishonest of you. That is clearly NOT what Cruz said.
* * * *
That would be a flattering self portrait if you could be honest, Dizzy.
Alas, you don't seem up to the task of being honest today.
Resorting to ad homs is a tacit admission of defeat on your part.
Have a nice day.
I would.* * * *
I can't remember the last presidential candidate who advocated armed insurrection against our government
Not to lose the point, but Cruz didn't "advocate" for any such thing, either.
Would YOU claim that the late Hubert H. Humphrey was "advocating " or for armed insurrection against our government here?
Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms. [...] the right of the citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government and one more safeguard against a tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible.
-- Hubert H. Humphrey, 1960
See, because, I wouldn't.
I can't remember the last presidential candidate who advocated armed insurrection against our governmentJefferson never said anything of the sort!
No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms Quotation Thomas Jefferson s Monticello
Note: This sentence is often seen paired with the following: "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." That sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution drafts or text as adopted, nor in any other Jefferson writings that we know of.
Once again the gun fetishists lie about the Founding Fathers in order to justify their obsession about this mythical "tyrannical government" that does not exist.
What a massive quivering quibble.
No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (Quotation)This sentence comes from Thomas Jefferson's three drafts of the Virginia Constitution. The text does vary slightly in each draft:
First Draft: "No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms."[1]
Second Draft: "No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements]."[2]
Third Draft: "No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements]"[3]
This sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution as adopted.
Note: This sentence is often seen paired with the following: "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." That sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution drafts or text as adopted, nor in any other Jefferson writings that we know of.
Footnotes
So, let's just recap, shall we? Yes. We shall. YOU are feeling all triumphant because the portion of the quote ATTRIBUTED to Jefferson may not have been said by him. The Part? The part about "last resort."
Man. You are a magnificent stud of quoting others' work, when they conclude (and perhaps correctly) that Jefferson's alleged words may not have been his actual words.
But here's the rub. Jefferson DID say the first part (in all three drafts)!
No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms.
So you libs who wish to disarm the citizenry are at odds with Thomas Jefferson AND the Constitution itself AND the SCOTUS analysis of the legal and historical purpose of the 2d Amendment.
The second part is what you are fallaciously trying to use to justify Cruz's sedition.
Too bad you were caught lying about Jefferson because you didn't do your homework.
Next time try not to whine so much, 'mkay?
So what? You can make the hollow and dishonest claim that Cruz is somehow a candidate who has advocated for it. But that would be quite fully dishonest of you. That is clearly NOT what Cruz said.
More reason to support my claim that Cruz is not a serious candidate for President. Serious about being proclaimed leader of the far right......but not serious about winning
Throwing raw meat to gun nuts is not responsible
I would.* * * *
I can't remember the last presidential candidate who advocated armed insurrection against our government
Not to lose the point, but Cruz didn't "advocate" for any such thing, either.
Would YOU claim that the late Hubert H. Humphrey was "advocating " or for armed insurrection against our government here?
Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms. [...] the right of the citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government and one more safeguard against a tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible.
-- Hubert H. Humphrey, 1960
See, because, I wouldn't.
