Thank God for our RIGHT to keep and bear arms

[Crixus]

I’m telling you - you should really move to Cuba. I think you would be really happy.

Probubly would feel safer.... maybe.

 

[P@triot]

Yes Europe has lower ownership and mass killings are rare.

Meanwhile, muslims are raping women at alarming rates in Europe. I’m always suspicious of a person who wants to disarm women. Rational people don’t want women to become victims. Only fellow rapists do...

Really? Share a link to support that.

Really. Do you intentionally avoid the news or are you too busy doing something else to pay attention?

Germany's Migrant Rape Crisis: January 2017

Why are sexual assaults in Bavaria on the rise? | Germany | DW | 20.09.2017

German crime statistics reveal steep rise in violent and political crimes | News | DW | 24.04.2017

Did you catch that? A steep rise in violent crime. Thank goodness for a disarmed and helpless German populace, uh?

 

[P@triot]

A real American would want to stop all the death. Protect the children. You just want more death.

A real American knows that nothing protects people like being armed. Thanks for playing, sparky.

 

[Crixus]

Caused by too many guns. Police rarely shoot people when there is strong gun control.

Most mass shootings happen at night - we should outlaw darkness! What will it cost to light the world?

Makes just as much sense as what you're saying ....

You are conflating one fact with another - and PRESUMING there is a connection.

Mass shootings happen often when there are lots of guns. They are rare when there is strong gun control.

Caused by too many guns. Police rarely shoot people when there is strong gun control.

Most mass shootings happen at night - we should outlaw darkness! What will it cost to light the world?

Makes just as much sense as what you're saying ....

You are conflating one fact with another - and PRESUMING there is a connection.

Mass shootings happen often when there are lots of guns. They are rare when there is strong gun control.

I was going to rant and rave about how wrong you are ---- but I decided not to.

Instead, I will only say that you are trying to back into a plausible justification for an untenable position where none exists. Your connectivity of the prevalence of guns to the frequency of mass shootings can't be justified. Yes, there are more guns - yes, there are more mass shootings --- but the number of guns does not increase the number of mass shootings. There is no causal factor proven. There is a correlation, yes - but not a cause. If that were so, eliminating X guns would mean there will be a Y decrease in mass shootings.

There are more people --- there are more mass shootings. Are you proposing that we should limit the number of people in order to prevent more mass shootings? There are more cars -- there are more mass shootings. Are you proposing that we should limit the number of cars in order to prevent more mass shootings? There are more apartments --- there are more mass shootings. Are you proposing we should limit the number of apartments in order to prevent more mass shootings??

Mass shootings are NOT a result of guns - "guns" is merely the methodology. Mass shootings ARE a direct result of a societal decrease in concern for others. Mass shootings ARE a direct result of a perception of a lack of ultimate reckoning for their actions. Mass shootings ARE - and I know this will make you uncomfortable - a direct result of a transition of our society from a Christian morality to a secular morality. As our concern for our fellow man has withered, we are more willing to self-justify harm to our fellow man as a viable solution to our confrontations. As man has increasingly come to believe that he is the ultimate authority - which has to be the epitome of arrogance - we have increased our capacity to rationalize our extreme actions.

It is nonsensical to believe that strict gun control will have a positive effect. The proof of the fallacy of this simplistic misinterpretation of the reality is no further than Chicago of Washington DC. Draconian gun control laws have had no effect on the murder rates in these cities - in fact, they can be considered as direct contributors to the death rate.

Guns are NOT the problem - the person pulling the trigger is the problem. As long as you allow yourself to be distracted from addressing the root of the problem, the longer, and the larger, the problem will become. Mass shootings is the symptom - not the disease. You don' kill a tree by cutting off the limbs.

It isn't a coincidence we have the most guns and the most mass killings, cop killings, school shootings, accidental shootings, cops killing the most people, toddler shootings... It is frankly quite silly to think it is a coincidence. These are things that are rare with strong gun control.

I did not speak of coincidence .... I spoke of correlation and causation. Quit trying to change the discussion to fit your preconceived mission.

Here is your task ..... there is an increase in guns, and an increase in mass shootings. Explain the causation.

Then ... there is an increase in people, and an increase in mass shootings. Explain the causation.

Somehow, you seem to believe that just the sight of a gun causes people to go crazy and kill hundreds. Somehow, you seem to believe that, if the gun weren't there - in all its malevolent glory - the person would not harbor ill will and act on it.

Quit fooling yourself ---- address the cause.

He won’t explain the causation because the causation don’t back his assertion. It can appear to, but it really doesn’t. No one ever brings up the fact that we have a much bigger population then we did in the 50’s 60’s and seventies. Then the huge lack of respect for any type of authority be it the police or politition. This two things are part of the causation for sure, but it’s not as sexy as a dead child blown to bits in a kindergarten class. These things have stopped being outrageous from having been used as a political talking point.

 

[P@triot]

Too many guns.

Too many people with zero respect for the U.S. Constitution. My 2nd Amendment rights trump your opinions.

The right to life is really being trampled.

Only by those who fail to take personal responsibility...

How does that help all the children shot and killed each year? All the cops shot each year? All the women shot when their relationship goes bad?

Again...if those women would have armed themselves...they wouldn’t have become victims “when their relationship went bad”. If those law enforcement officers had been more aware, taken their training more seriously, and worked in tandem, most of them would still be alive.

The fact is - there are way more female victims in Germany than there are here in the U.S. So much for your propaganda!

 

[2aguy]

Too many guns.

Too many people with zero respect for the U.S. Constitution. My 2nd Amendment rights trump your opinions.

The right to life is really being trampled.

Only by those who fail to take personal responsibility...

How does that help all the children shot and killed each year? All the cops shot each year? All the women shot when their relationship goes bad?

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop criminals...often capturing them...that is stopping the actual gun criminals who use guns to kill children and police officers....and women need guns to stop their violent, likely democrat, exes .....

 

[2aguy]

We want less guns, not more.

Who is this “we” stuff? The U.S. has spoken. We want more guns. Only the fascists such as yourself want less.

Nothing fascist about wanting fewer dead cops and lower crime rates. Why do you want so many armed criminals?

Then you want more good Americans carrying guns....as more good Americans carry guns, our crime rates go down...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[P@triot]

We want less guns, not more.

Who is this “we” stuff? The U.S. has spoken. We want more guns. Only the fascists such as yourself want less.

Nothing fascist about wanting fewer dead cops and lower crime rates. Why do you want so many armed criminals?

Criminals are already armed, sparky. The question is then - why do you want law abiding citizens disarmed and ripe to be victims? Only criminals wants gun control. That creates easier targets and more victims for them.

 

[Spare_change]

Perhaps you can explain why there are more deaths-per-gun in 45 countries than in the US. (Oh, by the way, our death-per-gun rate is lower than Japan, Singapore, Israel, Poland, Ireland, Switzerland, Denmark, and Belgium, among others).

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia

Kinda shoots your whole argument in the ass, don't it?

 

[P@triot]

A real American wants to save the lives of our children.

And real criminals/predators desperately want an unarmed population. That says a lot about you, uh chief?

 

[2aguy]

No.....the Ferguson effect is increasing crime in democrat cities that have attacked their police....

Caused by too many guns. Police rarely shoot people when there is strong gun control.

Most mass shootings happen at night - we should outlaw darkness! What will it cost to light the world?

Makes just as much sense as what you're saying ....

You are conflating one fact with another - and PRESUMING there is a connection.

Mass shootings happen often when there are lots of guns. They are rare when there is strong gun control.

No.....the Ferguson effect is increasing crime in democrat cities that have attacked their police....

Caused by too many guns. Police rarely shoot people when there is strong gun control.

Most mass shootings happen at night - we should outlaw darkness! What will it cost to light the world?

Makes just as much sense as what you're saying ....

You are conflating one fact with another - and PRESUMING there is a connection.

Mass shootings happen often when there are lots of guns. They are rare when there is strong gun control.

I was going to rant and rave about how wrong you are ---- but I decided not to.

Instead, I will only say that you are trying to back into a plausible justification for an untenable position where none exists. Your connectivity of the prevalence of guns to the frequency of mass shootings can't be justified. Yes, there are more guns - yes, there are more mass shootings --- but the number of guns does not increase the number of mass shootings. There is no causal factor proven. There is a correlation, yes - but not a cause. If that were so, eliminating X guns would mean there will be a Y decrease in mass shootings.

There are more people --- there are more mass shootings. Are you proposing that we should limit the number of people in order to prevent more mass shootings? There are more cars -- there are more mass shootings. Are you proposing that we should limit the number of cars in order to prevent more mass shootings? There are more apartments --- there are more mass shootings. Are you proposing we should limit the number of apartments in order to prevent more mass shootings??

Mass shootings are NOT a result of guns - "guns" is merely the methodology. Mass shootings ARE a direct result of a societal decrease in concern for others. Mass shootings ARE a direct result of a perception of a lack of ultimate reckoning for their actions. Mass shootings ARE - and I know this will make you uncomfortable - a direct result of a transition of our society from a Christian morality to a secular morality. As our concern for our fellow man has withered, we are more willing to self-justify harm to our fellow man as a viable solution to our confrontations. As man has increasingly come to believe that he is the ultimate authority - which has to be the epitome of arrogance - we have increased our capacity to rationalize our extreme actions.

It is nonsensical to believe that strict gun control will have a positive effect. The proof of the fallacy of this simplistic misinterpretation of the reality is no further than Chicago of Washington DC. Draconian gun control laws have had no effect on the murder rates in these cities - in fact, they can be considered as direct contributors to the death rate.

Guns are NOT the problem - the person pulling the trigger is the problem. As long as you allow yourself to be distracted from addressing the root of the problem, the longer, and the larger, the problem will become. Mass shootings is the symptom - not the disease. You don' kill a tree by cutting off the limbs.

It isn't a coincidence we have the most guns and the most mass killings, cop killings, school shootings, accidental shootings, cops killing the most people, toddler shootings... It is frankly quite silly to think it is a coincidence. These are things that are rare with strong gun control.

It is a coincidence since we don't even rank in the top 100 countries for murder, but we are #1 for gun ownership......you have no idea what you are talking about.......and as we showed you before, those toddlers who are shot.....are in homes owned by criminals, drug addicts and alcoholics and people who are already prohibited from owning and buying guns........

 

[Spare_change]

You obviously get off on it. Your them has trended to children. That supposed to make you more right? More kids are killed by cell phones and cars. Keep flailing mother Teresa.

There is a cure for these deaths. They are very rare with strong gun control. We could save lives, you just choose not to.

Nope. Not really. To many facts say different.

Fact is these problems are very rare with strong gun control. You choose to believe lies.

Really? No haji fuck has raped any of my kids. Burgler types don’t hit this area to much. Is it because of the police? Sure, but it’s mostly because folks here, even the poor ones like me are known to be armed. Your beloved Michael Brown types know this is a good area to get shot stealing shit so they stick to their own kind as they are typically NOT armed.

All you have done is give criminals a good reason to be armed. You insure more death. We have the most concealed carry every now and look what happened:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

You obviously get off on it. Your them has trended to children. That supposed to make you more right? More kids are killed by cell phones and cars. Keep flailing mother Teresa.

There is a cure for these deaths. They are very rare with strong gun control. We could save lives, you just choose not to.

Nope. Not really. To many facts say different.

Fact is these problems are very rare with strong gun control. You choose to believe lies.

Really? No haji fuck has raped any of my kids. Burgler types don’t hit this area to much. Is it because of the police? Sure, but it’s mostly because folks here, even the poor ones like me are known to be armed. Your beloved Michael Brown types know this is a good area to get shot stealing shit so they stick to their own kind as they are typically NOT armed.

All you have done is give criminals a good reason to be armed. You insure more death. We have the most concealed carry every now and look what happened:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

What an incredibly dumb argument ..... if you weren't armed, those who wish to inflict ill upon you won't use them either!!!

Are you serious???? PLEASE tell me you didn't mean that --- it WAS a joke, right????

 

[P@triot]

Perhaps you can explain why there are more deaths-per-gun in 45 countries than in the US. (Oh, by the way, our death-per-gun rate is lower than Japan, Singapore, Israel, Poland, Ireland, Switzerland, Denmark, and Belgium, among others).

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia

Kinda shoots your whole argument in the ass, don't it?

Boom! And SP delivers a knockout blow to Brain(less)!

 

[2aguy]

Our children keep dying when they don't have to. Be a hero and fight for gun control.
Two students killed in New Mexico high school shooting

A gun free zone...like almost every single mass shooting in this country....good people disarmed and made helpless by people like you.

 

[2aguy]

Yeah...."Gun related Deaths" which means they use suicides to get their number for the U.S.....which is a lie...since many of those other countries have higher suicide rates than we do.....

 

[2aguy]

So much for the liberal lie that armed citizens never prevent mass shootings...

Two good guys with guns stop shooting spree that left auto shop worker dead and another paralyzed

a. The premise is false, no liberal lie as claimed exists;
b. One data point and this moron ^^^ comes to a conclusion that guns in the hands of more and more people is good, in spite of the fact that there are many more data points to dispute this claim.

No....you have no data points that dispute this.....as we have posted over and over, armed Americans use their guns to stop violent criminal attacks, including mass public shooters 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton's Department of Justice study on gun violence....also, as more Americans bought and also carried guns...our gun crime rate went down, not up....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

And now.....having watched actual witnesses talk about the shootings in Aurora, and Orlando...it is obvious that if those sites had not been gun free zones, more lives would have been saved and the shooters stopped earlier than they were....

You have nothing.....none of the facts, the truth or reality back up what you believe...not one single thing...

With the most guns in the world and the highest incarceration rate we still have much higher crime rates than other civilized countries with gun control. We also have many unique problems to our country like mass shootings, over 50 police shot and killed each year, our police shoot many, many people, toddlers shoot people, road rage shootings, women shot by significant others.... Too many guns.
Why the US has the most mass shootings - CNN
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015
Analysis | American toddlers are still shooting people on a weekly basis this year
Study: Road rage incidents involving guns are increasing

The “boyfriend loophole” in U.S. gun laws is costing women’s lives

More police officers die on the job in states with more guns

Fallen officers: 64 shot dead in the line of duty in 2016 - CNN

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Guns kill nearly 1,300 US children each year - CNN

Violent crime increases in right-to-carry states | Stanford News

Hm, lets look at some of those countries. Did you know that in a few of those civilized countries you mention peeps can be sentenced to a whipping? Did you also know that the cops, you know, the guys with guns can beat a confession out of a suspect? Did you also know that in about all of them evidance can be gathered on a suspect because investigators feel the need to survail them? So if you feel safer with that type stuff, why not move to Mexico or something? And stop posting the same shit. Switch it up some.

Gun crime is going up in the U.K. and their police want to carry guns now...because the criminals have guns. Deaths of police in the U.K. are going to go up as the U.K. imports foreign drug gangs to do the killing that regular British citizens won't do....

 

[P@triot]

It isn't a coincidence we have the most guns and the most mass killings, cop killings, school shootings, accidental shootings, cops killing the most people, toddler shootings... It is frankly quite silly to think it is a coincidence. These are things that are rare with strong gun control.

Yeah...thank God for “strong gun control”. It saved all of those children in China from unimaginable horrors. Oh wait...that’s right...

 

[2aguy]

No....you have no data points that dispute this.....as we have posted over and over, armed Americans use their guns to stop violent criminal attacks, including mass public shooters 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton's Department of Justice study on gun violence....also, as more Americans bought and also carried guns...our gun crime rate went down, not up....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

And now.....having watched actual witnesses talk about the shootings in Aurora, and Orlando...it is obvious that if those sites had not been gun free zones, more lives would have been saved and the shooters stopped earlier than they were....

You have nothing.....none of the facts, the truth or reality back up what you believe...not one single thing...

With the most guns in the world and the highest incarceration rate we still have much higher crime rates than other civilized countries with gun control. We also have many unique problems to our country like mass shootings, over 50 police shot and killed each year, our police shoot many, many people, toddlers shoot people, road rage shootings, women shot by significant others.... Too many guns.
Why the US has the most mass shootings - CNN
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015
Analysis | American toddlers are still shooting people on a weekly basis this year
Study: Road rage incidents involving guns are increasing

The “boyfriend loophole” in U.S. gun laws is costing women’s lives

More police officers die on the job in states with more guns

Fallen officers: 64 shot dead in the line of duty in 2016 - CNN

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Guns kill nearly 1,300 US children each year - CNN

Violent crime increases in right-to-carry states | Stanford News

Hm, lets look at some of those countries. Did you know that in a few of those civilized countries you mention peeps can be sentenced to a whipping? Did you also know that the cops, you know, the guys with guns can beat a confession out of a suspect? Did you also know that in about all of them evidance can be gathered on a suspect because investigators feel the need to survail them? So if you feel safer with that type stuff, why not move to Mexico or something? And stop posting the same shit. Switch it up some.

None of those things are true in many of the most safe civilized countries. Not really clear which ones you reference actually.

Oh, and I reference all the countries that aren’t called America. Your stupid rants are just that. Stupid rants. I. My closet sits three AR15’s as well as many other guns. My children handle them on the regular as do other folks and it will continue to be that way. Gohead and deal with that how you must.

And the children continue to die.
Guns are now the third leading cause of death for U.S. children

Yeah...that is a shit link......they don't tell you the age range of the "Children" since the majority of "Child" deaths are 16-19 year old gang bangers shooting each other...but thanks for lying....

 

[2aguy]

God does not want this.
Ohio dad charged after 3-year-old finds gun, fatally shoots self

Moron...you really need to read your links...the other infant...died from a methadone and cocaine overdose.......what a twit....

Steven M. Wallen, 26, is charged with involuntary manslaughter and child endangering for the Sept. 10 accidental shooting death of a 3-year-old son involving a gun left unsecured at a house in the 3000 block of Wade Road in Madison Township.

Nina L. Straty, 24, is charged with involuntary manslaughter and child endangering for the April 27 drug-overdose death of her less than one-month-old infant daughter, Loucia Kinsell.

Both indictments were issued Tuesday.

Wallen, who is listed at a Pickerington address in court records, was in the Wade Road home with his twin sons when the shooting occurred, township police reported. Police initially said that the victim shot himself with a gun he found while the father was sleeping. Prosecutor Ron O’Brien said Wednesday that the shooting occurred after both boys found the gun.

In Straty’s case, an autopsy by the Franklin County Coroner’s Office determined that her newborn daughter’s death resulted from “acute intoxication by methadone and cocaine,” O’Brien said. The incident occurred at Straty’s home in the 400 block of Wyandotte Avenue in the University District.

 

[2aguy]

God does not want this.
Ohio dad charged after 3-year-old finds gun, fatally shoots self

You obviously get off on it. Your them has trended to children. That supposed to make you more right? More kids are killed by cell phones and cars. Keep flailing mother Teresa.

There is a cure for these deaths. They are very rare with strong gun control. We could save lives, you just choose not to.

Tell that to the 110 other countries with extreme gun control that have higher gun murder rates than we do......and you twits had better be ready....your anti gun paradises are all experiencing increased gun crime as their social welfare systems are creating more and more violent young men, and importing even more violent young men from 3rd world countries.