Thank You Senate Democrats! Up or Down Vote on Judges.

[Procrustes Stretched]

Thank You Senate Democrats! Up or Down Vote on Judges.

My email box has filled up with celebratory screeds and such. God Bless Leader Reid!







"A GOP senators have done so much to stand in the way of President Obama's executive and judicial choices that they're responsible for nearly half of all filibusters against presidential nominees in history."

"Today, Majority Leader Harry Reid and Senate Democrats have put a stop to this type of unprecedented obstruction, giving the President's nominees -- except those to the Supreme Court -- an up-or-down vote."

 

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It's all about regulation stupid! Dante told you so.

"The immediate rationale for the move was to allow the confirmation of three picks by President Obama to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit..."

Reid, Democrats trigger ?nuclear? option; eliminate most filibusters on nominees - The Washington Post

The Tea Party has finally accomplished something. Now about the Tea Party and conservatives saying the public doesn't really care to know who gives money to what causes and campaigns

 

[Oldstyle]

Gee, Dante...the Progressive wing of the Democratic Party gets free rein to put whoever they want into positions of power? Sounds wonderful to you...doesn't it? The only problem is...the country is center right politically and once they get a load of who you folks choose it will be one more reason to vote Democrats out of the Senate next year.

Between this and the train wreck that ObamaCare is becoming...2014 should be an "interesting" year for liberal politicians.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Gee, Dante...the Progressive wing of the Democratic Party gets free rein to put whoever they want into positions of power? Sounds wonderful to you...doesn't it? The only problem is...the country is center right politically and once they get a load of who you folks choose it will be one more reason to vote Democrats out of the Senate next year.

Between this and the train wreck that ObamaCare is becoming...2014 should be an "interesting" year for liberal politicians.

Planet Earth to Rightwing World:

Presidents have always had the power to appoint Judges

 

[Oldstyle]

Gee, Dante...the Progressive wing of the Democratic Party gets free rein to put whoever they want into positions of power? Sounds wonderful to you...doesn't it? The only problem is...the country is center right politically and once they get a load of who you folks choose it will be one more reason to vote Democrats out of the Senate next year.

Between this and the train wreck that ObamaCare is becoming...2014 should be an "interesting" year for liberal politicians.

Planet Earth to Rightwing World:

Presidents have always had the power to appoint Judges

Earth to Dante...those appointments have always had to be confirmed. It's that whole "separation of powers" thing that the Founding Fathers came up with? You know...the set of principles that have kept this country functioning for the past few hundred years while others have crumbled away to dust?

Presidents have the power to NOMINATE judges!

 

[Stephanie]

People like Dante we can kiss our asses goodbye

we are now under dictatorship

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Gee, Dante...the Progressive wing of the Democratic Party gets free rein to put whoever they want into positions of power? Sounds wonderful to you...doesn't it? The only problem is...the country is center right politically and once they get a load of who you folks choose it will be one more reason to vote Democrats out of the Senate next year.

Between this and the train wreck that ObamaCare is becoming...2014 should be an "interesting" year for liberal politicians.

Planet Earth to Rightwing World:

Presidents have always had the power to appoint Judges

Earth to Dante...those appointments have always had to be confirmed. It's that whole "separation of powers" thing that the Founding Fathers came up with? You know...the set of principles that have kept this country functioning for the past few hundred years while others have crumbled away to dust?

Presidents have the power to NOMINATE judges!

The Senate rule change does NOT change the powers granted the branches



D'Oh!

... and Steph-Infection joined you on this. Sure sign you're insanely wrong in the head

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

People like Dante we can kiss our asses goodbye

we are now under dictatorship

according to your nonsense, we've been under one for years now.


make up your demented mind, willya wilma?

 

[Oldstyle]

Planet Earth to Rightwing World:

Presidents have always had the power to appoint Judges

Earth to Dante...those appointments have always had to be confirmed. It's that whole "separation of powers" thing that the Founding Fathers came up with? You know...the set of principles that have kept this country functioning for the past few hundred years while others have crumbled away to dust?

Presidents have the power to NOMINATE judges!

The Senate rule change does NOT change the powers granted the branches



D'Oh!

... and Steph-Infection joined you on this. Sure sign you're insanely wrong in the head

So now you're saying that nominated judges don't have to be confirmed? Still too stupid to grasp how this whole thing works...aren't you, Dante?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Earth to Dante...those appointments have always had to be confirmed. It's that whole "separation of powers" thing that the Founding Fathers came up with? You know...the set of principles that have kept this country functioning for the past few hundred years while others have crumbled away to dust?

Presidents have the power to NOMINATE judges!

The Senate rule change does NOT change the powers granted the branches



D'Oh!

... and Steph-Infection joined you on this. Sure sign you're insanely wrong in the head

So now you're saying that nominated judges don't have to be confirmed? Still too stupid to grasp how this whole thing works...aren't you, Dante?

Okay simpleton, you explain how the Senate rule change keeps nominees from being confirmed

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

ex: making things easier...


a public service brought to usmb by Dante Inc., leveler of playing fields

Late 60w, early into Nixon's first term, Abe Fortas vacancy

Richard Nixon throws away precedent for nominating qualified candidates for SCOTUS and brings ideological nominees starting with Clement Haynsworth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Eventually a few GOP leaders and members follow Ted Kennedy's lead and vote against this shithead tactic (Kennedy later led charged against the ideologue's ideologue" Bork)

Haynsworth's nomination was defeated by a vote of 55 to 45 on November 21, 1969. 19 Democrats and 26 Republicans voted for Haynsworth while 38 Democrats and 17 Republicans voted against the nomination. Haynsworth was the first Supreme Court nominee to be defeated by the Senate since the rejection of Judge John J. Parker (also of the Fourth Circuit) in 1930. - Clement Haynsworth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

most of the rightwingers here and many of the others have no sense of history or current events

Advise and Consent and how it works

 

[mamooth]

The founders thought filibusters sucked. First, from The Federalist #22, by Alexander Hamiliton.

The Federalist #22
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But this is not all: what at first sight may seem a remedy, is, in reality, a poison. To give a minority a negative upon the majority (which is always the case where more than a majority is requisite to a decision), is, in its tendency, to subject the sense of the greater number to that of the lesser. Congress, from the nonattendance of a few States, have been frequently in the situation of a Polish diet, where a single veto has been sufficient to put a stop to all their movements. A sixtieth part of the Union, which is about the proportion of Delaware and Rhode Island, has several times been able to oppose an entire bar to its operations. This is one of those refinements which, in practice, has an effect the reverse of what is expected from it in theory. The necessity of unanimity in public bodies, or of something approaching towards it, has been founded upon a supposition that it would contribute to security. But its real operation is to embarrass the administration, to destroy the energy of the government, and to substitute the pleasure, caprice, or artifices of an insignificant, turbulent, or corrupt junto, to the regular deliberations and decisions of a respectable majority. In those emergencies of a nation, in which the goodness or badness, the weakness or strength of its government, is of the greatest importance, there is commonly a necessity for action. The public business must, in some way or other, go forward. If a pertinacious minority can control the opinion of a majority, respecting the best mode of conducting it, the majority, in order that something may be done, must conform to the views of the minority; and thus the sense of the smaller number will overrule that of the greater, and give a tone to the national proceedings. Hence, tedious delays; continual negotiation and intrigue; contemptible compromises of the public good. And yet, in such a system, it is even happy when such compromises can take place: for upon some occasions things will not admit of accommodation; and then the measures of government must be injuriously suspended, or fatally defeated. It is often, by the impracticability of obtaining the concurrence of the necessary number of votes, kept in a state of inaction. Its situation must always savor of weakness, sometimes border upon anarchy.
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Next, from Jefferson's senate rules, _Manual of Parliamentary Practice_. Jefferson was the champion of minority rights, being that his Republicans were outnumbered by Federalists. So let's see what he thought of filibusters.

Thomas Jefferson: A Manual of Parliamentary Practice
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No one is to speak impertinently or beside the question, superfluously or tediously. Scob. 31, 33. 2 Hats. 166, 168. Hale Parl. 133.
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So, champion of minority rights Jefferson also specifically condemns filibuster tactics. It's certainly looking pretty bleak for the "The founders loved filibusters!" crowd.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The founders thought filibusters sucked. First, from The Federalist #22, by Alexander Hamiliton.

The Federalist #22
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But this is not all: what at first sight may seem a remedy, is, in reality, a poison. To give a minority a negative upon the majority (which is always the case where more than a majority is requisite to a decision), is, in its tendency, to subject the sense of the greater number to that of the lesser. Congress, from the nonattendance of a few States, have been frequently in the situation of a Polish diet, where a single veto has been sufficient to put a stop to all their movements. A sixtieth part of the Union, which is about the proportion of Delaware and Rhode Island, has several times been able to oppose an entire bar to its operations. This is one of those refinements which, in practice, has an effect the reverse of what is expected from it in theory. The necessity of unanimity in public bodies, or of something approaching towards it, has been founded upon a supposition that it would contribute to security. But its real operation is to embarrass the administration, to destroy the energy of the government, and to substitute the pleasure, caprice, or artifices of an insignificant, turbulent, or corrupt junto, to the regular deliberations and decisions of a respectable majority. In those emergencies of a nation, in which the goodness or badness, the weakness or strength of its government, is of the greatest importance, there is commonly a necessity for action. The public business must, in some way or other, go forward. If a pertinacious minority can control the opinion of a majority, respecting the best mode of conducting it, the majority, in order that something may be done, must conform to the views of the minority; and thus the sense of the smaller number will overrule that of the greater, and give a tone to the national proceedings. Hence, tedious delays; continual negotiation and intrigue; contemptible compromises of the public good. And yet, in such a system, it is even happy when such compromises can take place: for upon some occasions things will not admit of accommodation; and then the measures of government must be injuriously suspended, or fatally defeated. It is often, by the impracticability of obtaining the concurrence of the necessary number of votes, kept in a state of inaction. Its situation must always savor of weakness, sometimes border upon anarchy.
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Next, from Jefferson's senate rules, _Manual of Parliamentary Practice_. Jefferson was the champion of minority rights, being that his Republicans were outnumbered by Federalists. So let's see what he thought of filibusters.

Thomas Jefferson: A Manual of Parliamentary Practice
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No one is to speak impertinently or beside the question, superfluously or tediously. Scob. 31, 33. 2 Hats. 166, 168. Hale Parl. 133.
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So, champion of minority rights Jefferson also specifically condemns filibuster tactics. It's certainly looking pretty bleak for the "The founders loved filibusters!" crowd.

Hmm, would love to see you more of Hamilton's words to guide you


and btw, the filibuster dd not make it into the constitution did it?

Senate rules are a horse of a different color.

and f%&k Jefferson

 

[hangover]

People like Dante we can kiss our asses goodbye

we are now under dictatorship

BWAH HA HA! So typical of right wing fascists to think MAJORITY rule is a dictatorship.....until they are the majority.

 

[Katzndogz]

Republicans might be thanking democrats next year.

 

[Oldstyle]

People like Dante we can kiss our asses goodbye

we are now under dictatorship

BWAH HA HA! So typical of right wing fascists to think MAJORITY rule is a dictatorship.....until they are the majority.

So typical of Barry, Harry and Nancy to do a complete about face when they go from being IN the minority to being inconvenienced by the minority!

 

[kengbong]

thanks for all the information guys

 

[Listening]

51 GOP senators.....

Obamacare is history. They'll change all the rules to flush that turd.

I agree with Dante...thanks Harry.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Thank You Senate Democrats! Up or Down Vote on Judges.

My email box has filled up with celebratory screeds and such. God Bless Leader Reid!







"A GOP senators have done so much to stand in the way of President Obama's executive and judicial choices that they're responsible for nearly half of all filibusters against presidential nominees in history."

"Today, Majority Leader Harry Reid and Senate Democrats have put a stop to this type of unprecedented obstruction, giving the President's nominees -- except those to the Supreme Court -- an up-or-down vote."

It’s sad and telling that the partisan right would actually be opposed to majority rule, and exhibit disdain for the will of the people as clearly expressed in the 2012 General Election.

 

[Listening]

Thank You Senate Democrats! Up or Down Vote on Judges.

My email box has filled up with celebratory screeds and such. God Bless Leader Reid!







"A GOP senators have done so much to stand in the way of President Obama's executive and judicial choices that they're responsible for nearly half of all filibusters against presidential nominees in history."

"Today, Majority Leader Harry Reid and Senate Democrats have put a stop to this type of unprecedented obstruction, giving the President's nominees -- except those to the Supreme Court -- an up-or-down vote."

It’s sad and telling that the partisan right would actually be opposed to majority rule, and exhibit disdain for the will of the people as clearly expressed in the 2012 General Election.

You mean a majority of the house of reps (the peoples house) being GOP.

And that a majority of people think Obamacare sucks.

Yep...I am sure you are all over that one or two.