Thanks Trump, for destroying the GOP

[rightwinger]

Obama spent 800 billion on a "stimulus" to create jobs that created so few jobs that in desperation they invented a new economic statistic..."jobs created or saved"...to hide how bad it was! Take off your partisan blinders, Winger...you're looking increasingly ignorant in this string!

They did not invent that term to hide anything as that term was presented in the plan before it was even approved.

Show me where that economic statistic was employed by any other administration prior to the Obama Administration, Faun!

They invented that statistic not to give a clearer picture of job creation...they invented it to hide how few jobs they actually managed to create with the 870 billion that they spent. I know you folks on the left don't like to admit that...but it's about as obvious as it gets!

Preventing teachers, cops and firemen from being laid off has the same economic impact as creating a new job

Since you pay for teachers, cops and firemen with revenue taken from the Private Sector that isn't the case at all.

The whole "jobs created or saved" statistic that the Obama Administration created was never about giving an accurate picture of what the stimulus had done...it was always about hiding how bad the stimulus was at creating jobs. Once again, Winger...show me any other previous Administration that used that statistic!

Liberals think you can fill a pool by taking a bucket of water out of the pool, dumping half out (bureaucracy) and putting what's left back in the pool. Yes, they are that dumb

Show an example

 

[Faun]

Stop kazzing, that's not what he said. He didn't say Bush created terrorism in the Middle East as you falsely ascribe to him. He said Bush created the terrorists in Iraq, which he did. Al-qaeda in Iraq, now known as ISIL, formed in Iraq to fight Bush.

ISIS formed in Syria...not Iraq and not while Bush was still President. ISIS formed while President "Leading From Behind" was in office...not Bush.

Al Qaeda in Iraq formed in Iraq. That's why they were called AL Qaeda in Iraq.

Al Qaeda and ISIS are not the same thing, Faun...

You should educate yourself before posting...

Where did they come from?

ISIS was born out of the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003. When U.S. administrators, under Paul Bremer, decided to "de-Baathify" the Iraqi civil and military services, hundreds of thousands of Sunnis formerly loyal to Saddam Hussein were left without a job — and they were mad. Al Qaeda chose to capitalize on their anger and established al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) to wage an insurgency against U.S. troops in Iraq (Saddam was secular, but his intelligence and military supporters were able to make common cause with the jihadis of al Qaeda).​

Al Qaeda is not ISIS...educate yourself...

No, denial is not a river. I just gave you a link explaining their history going back to Al-qaeda in Iraq.

Sticking your fingers in your ears while moaning, nuh-uh, doesn't actually refute reality. Just so ya know.

 

[kaz]

Only one party controlled the White House

Without the Democrat votes, he couldn't pass it. So this is your standard now, right? It doesn't matter what congress does, only one party controls the White House? That's what your standard is?

What a mindless drone you are, big guy

 

[kaz]

You didn't believe the Democrats, now that's funny

Bush lied

Yes he did....and Obama speaks only the truth...

Obama was right about Iraq

Bush got his ass handed to him

Trump was opposed to Iraq, Hillary supported it and voted to keep funding it.

need we say more?

Trump lied about his opposition to Iraq. There is no record of him opposing it. There is a record of him on Howard Stern saying he supported it

Hillary voted for it

 

[kaz]

Wow... you mean no jobs are ever created by people with money???? How do the poor create jobs man???

Not so many when the country is in a deep recession. Then it's good for the government to step in and bridge the gap until the recession ends. Otherwise we risk a depression.

Governments Cause depressions they dont fix them.

The Government saved the private sector from its own greed during the Great Bush Recession of 2008

Government forced banks to make subprime loans and funded them with endless, free money. Then the collapse began and was fueled by the collapse of the subprime market. You can repeat your mindless leftist drivel all you want, but the facts contradict it.

Government took money from the economy and propped up it's own mess, then claimed it somehow saved the economy. And the mindless drones who's minds and manhood are owned by government blindly parroted their lies.

The last one was you, bug guy. I figured you missed that with your being, let's say "slow" and all

More myth over substance

It's all on the record. What you have though is that every corporation simultaneously decided to be stupid and drive itself bankrupt. I realize liberals are lemmings but ... actually, sorry, that's all I have ...

 

[kaz]

nothing in your post is true. not a word of it.

Go for it
Point by point

Ok

1. borrowing money (increasing the national debt) has never created prosperity. FDR extended the depression, and as you libs constantly remind us, it didn't work when Reagan did it

2. structured bankruptcy was a very viable option. the car companies had billions in fixed assets that could have been used to secure low interest loans.

3. wrong again, breaking a huge inefficient corporation into smaller more fiscally sound units is a normal outcome of a bankruptcy. Wall street would have been begging for those accounts.

This was only done to save the UAW and keep its money flowing to the DNC, anyone who cant see that is either naïve or just plain stupid.

When you are in an economic collapse, you borrow money to infuse money into the economy. If you lost your job, do you choose that time to pay off your mortgage? That is what Republicans wanted to do

No, when you lose your job, you don't go out and run up your credit card to infuse economic activity in your home, you cut back

Actually, that is exactly what you do

Me, no. I'm not an idiot though. Liberals know as much about economics as dolphins know about forest fires, and you are oh so willing to demonstrate that on a continual basis

 

[kaz]

They did not invent that term to hide anything as that term was presented in the plan before it was even approved.

Show me where that economic statistic was employed by any other administration prior to the Obama Administration, Faun!

They invented that statistic not to give a clearer picture of job creation...they invented it to hide how few jobs they actually managed to create with the 870 billion that they spent. I know you folks on the left don't like to admit that...but it's about as obvious as it gets!

Preventing teachers, cops and firemen from being laid off has the same economic impact as creating a new job

Since you pay for teachers, cops and firemen with revenue taken from the Private Sector that isn't the case at all.

The whole "jobs created or saved" statistic that the Obama Administration created was never about giving an accurate picture of what the stimulus had done...it was always about hiding how bad the stimulus was at creating jobs. Once again, Winger...show me any other previous Administration that used that statistic!

Liberals think you can fill a pool by taking a bucket of water out of the pool, dumping half out (bureaucracy) and putting what's left back in the pool. Yes, they are that dumb

Show an example

Um ... what I was responding to. You really don't follow discussions, do you?

 

[rightwinger]

Only one party controlled the White House

Without the Democrat votes, he couldn't pass it. So this is your standard now, right? It doesn't matter what congress does, only one party controls the White House? That's what your standard is?

What a mindless drone you are, big guy

Same old.....Its the Democrats fault for not stopping us from doing stupid things

 

[rightwinger]

Go for it
Point by point

Ok

1. borrowing money (increasing the national debt) has never created prosperity. FDR extended the depression, and as you libs constantly remind us, it didn't work when Reagan did it

2. structured bankruptcy was a very viable option. the car companies had billions in fixed assets that could have been used to secure low interest loans.

3. wrong again, breaking a huge inefficient corporation into smaller more fiscally sound units is a normal outcome of a bankruptcy. Wall street would have been begging for those accounts.

This was only done to save the UAW and keep its money flowing to the DNC, anyone who cant see that is either naïve or just plain stupid.

When you are in an economic collapse, you borrow money to infuse money into the economy. If you lost your job, do you choose that time to pay off your mortgage? That is what Republicans wanted to do

No, when you lose your job, you don't go out and run up your credit card to infuse economic activity in your home, you cut back

Actually, that is exactly what you do

Me, no. I'm not an idiot though. Liberals know as much about economics as dolphins know about forest fires, and you are oh so willing to demonstrate that on a continual basis

It was Conservatives who started two wars and slashed taxes to pay for them

 

[Redfish]

Ok

1. borrowing money (increasing the national debt) has never created prosperity. FDR extended the depression, and as you libs constantly remind us, it didn't work when Reagan did it

2. structured bankruptcy was a very viable option. the car companies had billions in fixed assets that could have been used to secure low interest loans.

3. wrong again, breaking a huge inefficient corporation into smaller more fiscally sound units is a normal outcome of a bankruptcy. Wall street would have been begging for those accounts.

This was only done to save the UAW and keep its money flowing to the DNC, anyone who cant see that is either naïve or just plain stupid.

When you are in an economic collapse, you borrow money to infuse money into the economy. If you lost your job, do you choose that time to pay off your mortgage? That is what Republicans wanted to do

No, when you lose your job, you don't go out and run up your credit card to infuse economic activity in your home, you cut back

Actually, that is exactly what you do

Me, no. I'm not an idiot though. Liberals know as much about economics as dolphins know about forest fires, and you are oh so willing to demonstrate that on a continual basis

It was Conservatives who started two wars and slashed taxes to pay for them

you live in some kind of parallel universe where fantasy becomes reality based on the latest dem/lib talking points.

your connection to reality is nonexistent.

 

[rightwinger]

When you are in an economic collapse, you borrow money to infuse money into the economy. If you lost your job, do you choose that time to pay off your mortgage? That is what Republicans wanted to do

No, when you lose your job, you don't go out and run up your credit card to infuse economic activity in your home, you cut back

Actually, that is exactly what you do

Me, no. I'm not an idiot though. Liberals know as much about economics as dolphins know about forest fires, and you are oh so willing to demonstrate that on a continual basis

It was Conservatives who started two wars and slashed taxes to pay for them

you live in some kind of parallel universe where fantasy becomes reality based on the latest dem/lib talking points.

your connection to reality is nonexistent.

No parallel universe required

Bush ordered two wars and then pushed through tax cuts. What Republicans like to call "fiscal responsibility"

 

[Faun]

I didn't see where any of Bush's timid economic actions had any effect

When Obama took office, the stock market was still in collapse, we were losing 700,000 jobs a month and GDP was negative...auto and banks were collapsing

Obama took solid action and reversed all that

What policy did Obama have that was different from W's policies?

Glad you asked

Obama passed a stimulus that infused $800 billion into the economy. He made it clear that the U.S. Government would not allow the banks and auto industry to fail. He passed solid financial reform and demanded auto companies close unprofitable brands and give the taxpayer stock in their company

That is what he did differently and the economic collapse reversed

Obama spent 800 billion on a "stimulus" to create jobs that created so few jobs that in desperation they invented a new economic statistic..."jobs created or saved"...to hide how bad it was! Take off your partisan blinders, Winger...you're looking increasingly ignorant in this string!

They did not invent that term to hide anything as that term was presented in the plan before it was even approved.

Show me where the economic statistic "jobs created or saved" was in the Obama Stimulus before it was approved! You've made that claim several times now...so back it up.

Just how fucking retarded are you? Are you not capable of looking at Obama's stimulus plan without my help?

A key goal enunciated by the President-Elect concerning the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan is that it should save or create at least 3 million jobs by the end of 2010.

The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan​

 

[Redfish]

No, when you lose your job, you don't go out and run up your credit card to infuse economic activity in your home, you cut back

Actually, that is exactly what you do

Me, no. I'm not an idiot though. Liberals know as much about economics as dolphins know about forest fires, and you are oh so willing to demonstrate that on a continual basis

It was Conservatives who started two wars and slashed taxes to pay for them

you live in some kind of parallel universe where fantasy becomes reality based on the latest dem/lib talking points.

your connection to reality is nonexistent.

No parallel universe required

Bush ordered two wars and then pushed through tax cuts. What Republicans like to call "fiscal responsibility"

Bush didn't do 9/11, he responded to it. 9/11 hurt the economy, but for the tax rate reductions, the economy would have been much worse.

True, Bush increased the national debt to pay for a war that we did not start, but Obama doubled the debt. Obama added more to the debt than all other presidents combined. That is an undeniable fact. Presidents get credit or blame for what happens while they are in office. Nothing good has happened during obozo's two terms.

 

[Redfish]

What policy did Obama have that was different from W's policies?

Glad you asked

Obama passed a stimulus that infused $800 billion into the economy. He made it clear that the U.S. Government would not allow the banks and auto industry to fail. He passed solid financial reform and demanded auto companies close unprofitable brands and give the taxpayer stock in their company

That is what he did differently and the economic collapse reversed

Obama spent 800 billion on a "stimulus" to create jobs that created so few jobs that in desperation they invented a new economic statistic..."jobs created or saved"...to hide how bad it was! Take off your partisan blinders, Winger...you're looking increasingly ignorant in this string!

They did not invent that term to hide anything as that term was presented in the plan before it was even approved.

Show me where the economic statistic "jobs created or saved" was in the Obama Stimulus before it was approved! You've made that claim several times now...so back it up.

Just how fucking retarded are you? Are you not capable of looking at Obama's stimulus plan without my help?

A key goal enunciated by the President-Elect concerning the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan is that it should save or create at least 3 million jobs by the end of 2010.

The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan​

the problem is that it didn't work. we have more unemployed and under employed now than when obozo took over, we have more in poverty and more on foodstamps, the gap between rich and poor is larger now than in 2008. Nothing your hero has done has worked. He is a failure, deal with it.

 

[rightwinger]

Actually, that is exactly what you do

Me, no. I'm not an idiot though. Liberals know as much about economics as dolphins know about forest fires, and you are oh so willing to demonstrate that on a continual basis

It was Conservatives who started two wars and slashed taxes to pay for them

you live in some kind of parallel universe where fantasy becomes reality based on the latest dem/lib talking points.

your connection to reality is nonexistent.

No parallel universe required

Bush ordered two wars and then pushed through tax cuts. What Republicans like to call "fiscal responsibility"

Bush didn't do 9/11, he responded to it. 9/11 hurt the economy, but for the tax rate reductions, the economy would have been much worse.

True, Bush increased the national debt to pay for a war that we did not start, but Obama doubled the debt. Obama added more to the debt than all other presidents combined. That is an undeniable fact. Presidents get credit or blame for what happens while they are in office. Nothing good has happened during obozo's two terms.

What a ridiculous claim in light of how Republicans responded to Obamas attempts to borrow money

Bush committed the U.S.to trillions in spending for his wars......then cut taxes to pay for them

 

[jasonnfree]

Actually, that is exactly what you do

Me, no. I'm not an idiot though. Liberals know as much about economics as dolphins know about forest fires, and you are oh so willing to demonstrate that on a continual basis

It was Conservatives who started two wars and slashed taxes to pay for them

you live in some kind of parallel universe where fantasy becomes reality based on the latest dem/lib talking points.

your connection to reality is nonexistent.

No parallel universe required

Bush ordered two wars and then pushed through tax cuts. What Republicans like to call "fiscal responsibility"

Bush didn't do 9/11, he responded to it. 9/11 hurt the economy, but for the tax rate reductions, the economy would have been much worse.

True, Bush increased the national debt to pay for a war that we did not start, but Obama doubled the debt. Obama added more to the debt than all other presidents combined. That is an undeniable fact. Presidents get credit or blame for what happens while they are in office. Nothing good has happened during obozo's two terms.

Bush responded by going into Iraq! A country that had nothing to do with 9-11. It was bush charlie, it was bush.

 

[Faun]

The money went from the government and yes some went to poor people. That money went directly into the economy

Now, guess what happens when we give money to the wealthy?
They pocket it

Wow... you mean no jobs are ever created by people with money???? How do the poor create jobs man???

Not so many when the country is in a deep recession. Then it's good for the government to step in and bridge the gap until the recession ends. Otherwise we risk a depression.

Governments Cause depressions they dont fix them.

The Government saved the private sector from its own greed during the Great Bush Recession of 2008

Government forced banks to make subprime loans and funded them with endless, free money. Then the collapse began and was fueled by the collapse of the subprime market. You can repeat your mindless leftist drivel all you want, but the facts contradict it.

Government took money from the economy and propped up it's own mess, then claimed it somehow saved the economy. And the mindless drones who's minds and manhood are owned by government blindly parroted their lies.

The last one was you, bug guy. I figured you missed that with your being, let's say "slow" and all

Bullkaz.

The Community Reinvestment Act, passed in 1977, requires banks to lend in the low-income neighborhoods where they take deposits. Just the idea that a lending crisis created from 2004 to 2007 was caused by a 1977 law is silly. But it’s even more ridiculous when you consider that most subprime loans were made by firms that aren’t subject to the CRA. University of Michigan law professor Michael Barr testified back in February before the House Committee on Financial Services that 50% of subprime loans were made by mortgage service companies not subject comprehensive federal supervision and another 30% were made by affiliates of banks or thrifts which are not subject to routine supervision or examinations. As former Fed Governor Ned Gramlich said in an August, 2007, speech shortly before he passed away: “In the subprime market where we badly need supervision, a majority of loans are made with very little supervision. It is like a city with a murder law, but no cops on the beat.”

Community Reinvestment Act had nothing to do with subprime crisis - BusinessWeek​

 

[Indeependent]

Wow... you mean no jobs are ever created by people with money???? How do the poor create jobs man???

During the Great Bush Recession of 2008, people with money were cashing out
The Government was the only one willing to invest in a crashing economy

Thats Odd since the recession happened at the end of the Bush admin when the democrats took office and started helping the people???? Funny how one always follows the other isn't it?

Lol how convenient you blame the democrats even though there is no cause by the entering of their power. You people in your faux causations. Bush's tax cuts were supposed to create "millions of job" yet they didn't create shit and the Great Recession happened anyway.

Bush's Tax Cuts created millions of jobs in China and India...no lie.

Millions? LOL. Liberals and economics just don't mix, what a dumb ass

FoxConn ALONE has 500,000 prisoners in it's headquarters.
Practically every major Corporation does it's pathetic software "development" in India.
There are at least 3 million non-Indians who have been displaced from IT in the US since 2001.
And the overwhelming majority of these H1-Bs send every discretionary penny they have back to India to buy prooerty, thus creating jobs in India.
Nice try though.

 

[Faun]

The money went from the government and yes some went to poor people. That money went directly into the economy

Now, guess what happens when we give money to the wealthy?
They pocket it

Wow... you mean no jobs are ever created by people with money???? How do the poor create jobs man???

During the Great Bush Recession of 2008, people with money were cashing out
The Government was the only one willing to invest in a crashing economy

Thats Odd since the recession happened at the end of the Bush admin when the democrats took office and started helping the people???? Funny how one always follows the other isn't it?

Lol how convenient you blame the democrats even though there is no cause by the entering of their power. You people in your faux causations. Bush's tax cuts were supposed to create "millions of job" yet they didn't create shit and the Great Recession happened anyway.

You morons blame W for a recession that started six months ... before ... he took office. LOL

You mean the recession which began after he was sworn in? There was no recession 6 months before then. Do you ever stop kazzing?

http://www.nber.org/cycles

 

[Redfish]

Me, no. I'm not an idiot though. Liberals know as much about economics as dolphins know about forest fires, and you are oh so willing to demonstrate that on a continual basis

It was Conservatives who started two wars and slashed taxes to pay for them

you live in some kind of parallel universe where fantasy becomes reality based on the latest dem/lib talking points.

your connection to reality is nonexistent.

No parallel universe required

Bush ordered two wars and then pushed through tax cuts. What Republicans like to call "fiscal responsibility"

Bush didn't do 9/11, he responded to it. 9/11 hurt the economy, but for the tax rate reductions, the economy would have been much worse.

True, Bush increased the national debt to pay for a war that we did not start, but Obama doubled the debt. Obama added more to the debt than all other presidents combined. That is an undeniable fact. Presidents get credit or blame for what happens while they are in office. Nothing good has happened during obozo's two terms.

What a ridiculous claim in light of how Republicans responded to Obamas attempts to borrow money

Bush committed the U.S.to trillions in spending for his wars......then cut taxes to pay for them

The facts are the facts. The national debt will have more than doubled under Obama. Spin all you like, that if factual.

Its also factual that Obama continued the Bush tax cuts when he could have cancelled them. so factually they are the bush/Obama tax cuts.