Thanks Trump, for destroying the GOP

[Redfish]

Me, no. I'm not an idiot though. Liberals know as much about economics as dolphins know about forest fires, and you are oh so willing to demonstrate that on a continual basis

It was Conservatives who started two wars and slashed taxes to pay for them

you live in some kind of parallel universe where fantasy becomes reality based on the latest dem/lib talking points.

your connection to reality is nonexistent.

No parallel universe required

Bush ordered two wars and then pushed through tax cuts. What Republicans like to call "fiscal responsibility"

Bush didn't do 9/11, he responded to it. 9/11 hurt the economy, but for the tax rate reductions, the economy would have been much worse.

True, Bush increased the national debt to pay for a war that we did not start, but Obama doubled the debt. Obama added more to the debt than all other presidents combined. That is an undeniable fact. Presidents get credit or blame for what happens while they are in office. Nothing good has happened during obozo's two terms.

Bush responded by going into Iraq! A country that had nothing to do with 9-11. It was bush charlie, it was bush.

both parties in congress authorized and funded that fiasco. they are all responsible. Until you acknowledge that fact, your credibility is zero.

 

[Faun]

What policy did Obama have that was different from W's policies?

Glad you asked

Obama passed a stimulus that infused $800 billion into the economy. He made it clear that the U.S. Government would not allow the banks and auto industry to fail. He passed solid financial reform and demanded auto companies close unprofitable brands and give the taxpayer stock in their company

That is what he did differently and the economic collapse reversed

Obama spent 800 billion on a "stimulus" to create jobs that created so few jobs that in desperation they invented a new economic statistic..."jobs created or saved"...to hide how bad it was! Take off your partisan blinders, Winger...you're looking increasingly ignorant in this string!

They did not invent that term to hide anything as that term was presented in the plan before it was even approved.

Show me where the economic statistic "jobs created or saved" was in the Obama Stimulus before it was approved! You've made that claim several times now...so back it up.

Yeah, that's not happening ...

LOL

Post #492 sure outed you as a moron, eh?

 

[kaz]

Only one party controlled the White House

Without the Democrat votes, he couldn't pass it. So this is your standard now, right? It doesn't matter what congress does, only one party controls the White House? That's what your standard is?

What a mindless drone you are, big guy

Same old.....Its the Democrats fault for not stopping us from doing stupid things

Swish. Breaking news, RW didn't grasp a post! Wow, that only happens, every time. Quite a streak there, big guy

 

[kaz]

Ok

1. borrowing money (increasing the national debt) has never created prosperity. FDR extended the depression, and as you libs constantly remind us, it didn't work when Reagan did it

2. structured bankruptcy was a very viable option. the car companies had billions in fixed assets that could have been used to secure low interest loans.

3. wrong again, breaking a huge inefficient corporation into smaller more fiscally sound units is a normal outcome of a bankruptcy. Wall street would have been begging for those accounts.

This was only done to save the UAW and keep its money flowing to the DNC, anyone who cant see that is either naïve or just plain stupid.

When you are in an economic collapse, you borrow money to infuse money into the economy. If you lost your job, do you choose that time to pay off your mortgage? That is what Republicans wanted to do

No, when you lose your job, you don't go out and run up your credit card to infuse economic activity in your home, you cut back

Actually, that is exactly what you do

Me, no. I'm not an idiot though. Liberals know as much about economics as dolphins know about forest fires, and you are oh so willing to demonstrate that on a continual basis

It was Conservatives who started two wars and slashed taxes to pay for them

It was Democrats who did it with them hand in hand and a Democrat president who finished one according to the same timeline and expanded the other.

But what do I know? I'm biased, I blame both parties for what they both did. You blame one and think the other political party is pure as the driven snow. Just sound, rational logic on your part, ay big guy?

 

[Faun]

Only one party controlled the White House

Without the Democrat votes, he couldn't pass it. So this is your standard now, right? It doesn't matter what congress does, only one party controls the White House? That's what your standard is?

What a mindless drone you are, big guy

What they passed was to give Bush the authority to make the decision if Iraq was a threat.

Iraq wasn't a threat.

 

[rightwinger]

It was Conservatives who started two wars and slashed taxes to pay for them

you live in some kind of parallel universe where fantasy becomes reality based on the latest dem/lib talking points.

your connection to reality is nonexistent.

No parallel universe required

Bush ordered two wars and then pushed through tax cuts. What Republicans like to call "fiscal responsibility"

Bush didn't do 9/11, he responded to it. 9/11 hurt the economy, but for the tax rate reductions, the economy would have been much worse.

True, Bush increased the national debt to pay for a war that we did not start, but Obama doubled the debt. Obama added more to the debt than all other presidents combined. That is an undeniable fact. Presidents get credit or blame for what happens while they are in office. Nothing good has happened during obozo's two terms.

What a ridiculous claim in light of how Republicans responded to Obamas attempts to borrow money

Bush committed the U.S.to trillions in spending for his wars......then cut taxes to pay for them

The facts are the facts. The national debt will have more than doubled under Obama. Spin all you like, that if factual.

Its also factual that Obama continued the Bush tax cuts when he could have cancelled them. so factually they are the bush/Obama tax cuts.

Bush doubled the national debt and he didn't have the worst recession in 75 years to deal with
Bush doubled the debt when given a budget surplus

 

[kaz]

No, when you lose your job, you don't go out and run up your credit card to infuse economic activity in your home, you cut back

Actually, that is exactly what you do

Me, no. I'm not an idiot though. Liberals know as much about economics as dolphins know about forest fires, and you are oh so willing to demonstrate that on a continual basis

It was Conservatives who started two wars and slashed taxes to pay for them

you live in some kind of parallel universe where fantasy becomes reality based on the latest dem/lib talking points.

your connection to reality is nonexistent.

No parallel universe required

Bush ordered two wars and then pushed through tax cuts. What Republicans like to call "fiscal responsibility"

I thought you were a Republican there big guy. You mean you ... lied? LOL, what a tool

 

[Faun]

Actually, that is exactly what you do

Me, no. I'm not an idiot though. Liberals know as much about economics as dolphins know about forest fires, and you are oh so willing to demonstrate that on a continual basis

It was Conservatives who started two wars and slashed taxes to pay for them

you live in some kind of parallel universe where fantasy becomes reality based on the latest dem/lib talking points.

your connection to reality is nonexistent.

No parallel universe required

Bush ordered two wars and then pushed through tax cuts. What Republicans like to call "fiscal responsibility"

Bush didn't do 9/11, he responded to it. 9/11 hurt the economy, but for the tax rate reductions, the economy would have been much worse.

True, Bush increased the national debt to pay for a war that we did not start, but Obama doubled the debt. Obama added more to the debt than all other presidents combined. That is an undeniable fact. Presidents get credit or blame for what happens while they are in office. Nothing good has happened during obozo's two terms.

Are you fucking nuts? We started the Iraq war.

 

[rightwinger]

Only one party controlled the White House

Without the Democrat votes, he couldn't pass it. So this is your standard now, right? It doesn't matter what congress does, only one party controls the White House? That's what your standard is?

What a mindless drone you are, big guy

Same old.....Its the Democrats fault for not stopping us from doing stupid things

Swish. Breaking news, RW didn't grasp a post! Wow, that only happens, every time. Quite a streak there, big guy

Bush asked for war, Bush planned the war, Bush ordered the invasion

Kaz: It's the Democrats fault for not telling him to go fuck himself

 

[Faun]

Glad you asked

Obama passed a stimulus that infused $800 billion into the economy. He made it clear that the U.S. Government would not allow the banks and auto industry to fail. He passed solid financial reform and demanded auto companies close unprofitable brands and give the taxpayer stock in their company

That is what he did differently and the economic collapse reversed

Obama spent 800 billion on a "stimulus" to create jobs that created so few jobs that in desperation they invented a new economic statistic..."jobs created or saved"...to hide how bad it was! Take off your partisan blinders, Winger...you're looking increasingly ignorant in this string!

They did not invent that term to hide anything as that term was presented in the plan before it was even approved.

Show me where the economic statistic "jobs created or saved" was in the Obama Stimulus before it was approved! You've made that claim several times now...so back it up.

Just how fucking retarded are you? Are you not capable of looking at Obama's stimulus plan without my help?

A key goal enunciated by the President-Elect concerning the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan is that it should save or create at least 3 million jobs by the end of 2010.

The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan​

the problem is that it didn't work. we have more unemployed and under employed now than when obozo took over, we have more in poverty and more on foodstamps, the gap between rich and poor is larger now than in 2008. Nothing your hero has done has worked. He is a failure, deal with it.

We also have 4.9% unemployment.

 

[Faun]

Only one party controlled the White House

Without the Democrat votes, he couldn't pass it. So this is your standard now, right? It doesn't matter what congress does, only one party controls the White House? That's what your standard is?

What a mindless drone you are, big guy

Same old.....Its the Democrats fault for not stopping us from doing stupid things

Swish. Breaking news, RW didn't grasp a post! Wow, that only happens, every time. Quite a streak there, big guy

Bush asked for war, Bush planned the war, Bush ordered the invasion

Kaz: It's the Democrats fault for not telling him to go fuck himself

Kaz kazzes. That's what he does.

 

[Indeependent]

Obama spent 800 billion on a "stimulus" to create jobs that created so few jobs that in desperation they invented a new economic statistic..."jobs created or saved"...to hide how bad it was! Take off your partisan blinders, Winger...you're looking increasingly ignorant in this string!

They did not invent that term to hide anything as that term was presented in the plan before it was even approved.

Show me where the economic statistic "jobs created or saved" was in the Obama Stimulus before it was approved! You've made that claim several times now...so back it up.

Just how fucking retarded are you? Are you not capable of looking at Obama's stimulus plan without my help?

A key goal enunciated by the President-Elect concerning the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan is that it should save or create at least 3 million jobs by the end of 2010.

The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan​

the problem is that it didn't work. we have more unemployed and under employed now than when obozo took over, we have more in poverty and more on foodstamps, the gap between rich and poor is larger now than in 2008. Nothing your hero has done has worked. He is a failure, deal with it.

We also have 4.9% unemployment.

Low wage, part-time employment.
It's the fault of both Parties and nothing for either one to brag about.

 

[Indeependent]

Only one party controlled the White House

Without the Democrat votes, he couldn't pass it. So this is your standard now, right? It doesn't matter what congress does, only one party controls the White House? That's what your standard is?

What a mindless drone you are, big guy

Same old.....Its the Democrats fault for not stopping us from doing stupid things

Swish. Breaking news, RW didn't grasp a post! Wow, that only happens, every time. Quite a streak there, big guy

Bush asked for war, Bush planned the war, Bush ordered the invasion

Kaz: It's the Democrats fault for not telling him to go fuck himself

But you know the Dems would have lost elections had they voted against the war.

 

[Faun]

It was Conservatives who started two wars and slashed taxes to pay for them

you live in some kind of parallel universe where fantasy becomes reality based on the latest dem/lib talking points.

your connection to reality is nonexistent.

No parallel universe required

Bush ordered two wars and then pushed through tax cuts. What Republicans like to call "fiscal responsibility"

Bush didn't do 9/11, he responded to it. 9/11 hurt the economy, but for the tax rate reductions, the economy would have been much worse.

True, Bush increased the national debt to pay for a war that we did not start, but Obama doubled the debt. Obama added more to the debt than all other presidents combined. That is an undeniable fact. Presidents get credit or blame for what happens while they are in office. Nothing good has happened during obozo's two terms.

What a ridiculous claim in light of how Republicans responded to Obamas attempts to borrow money

Bush committed the U.S.to trillions in spending for his wars......then cut taxes to pay for them

The facts are the facts. The national debt will have more than doubled under Obama. Spin all you like, that if factual.

Its also factual that Obama continued the Bush tax cuts when he could have cancelled them. so factually they are the bush/Obama tax cuts.

Stop kazzing. The debt would have to increase more than $2 trillion this year for Obama to double it.

The only president in my lifetime to accomplish that was Reagan, who nearly tripled it.

 

[Indeependent]

you live in some kind of parallel universe where fantasy becomes reality based on the latest dem/lib talking points.

your connection to reality is nonexistent.

No parallel universe required

Bush ordered two wars and then pushed through tax cuts. What Republicans like to call "fiscal responsibility"

Bush didn't do 9/11, he responded to it. 9/11 hurt the economy, but for the tax rate reductions, the economy would have been much worse.

True, Bush increased the national debt to pay for a war that we did not start, but Obama doubled the debt. Obama added more to the debt than all other presidents combined. That is an undeniable fact. Presidents get credit or blame for what happens while they are in office. Nothing good has happened during obozo's two terms.

What a ridiculous claim in light of how Republicans responded to Obamas attempts to borrow money

Bush committed the U.S.to trillions in spending for his wars......then cut taxes to pay for them

The facts are the facts. The national debt will have more than doubled under Obama. Spin all you like, that if factual.

Its also factual that Obama continued the Bush tax cuts when he could have cancelled them. so factually they are the bush/Obama tax cuts.

Stop kazzing. The debt would have to increase more than $2 trillion this year for Obama to double it.

The only president in my lifetime to accomplish that was Reagan, who nearly tripled it.

Never badmouth a President who once wore a cowboy hat.

 

[kaz]

During the Great Bush Recession of 2008, people with money were cashing out
The Government was the only one willing to invest in a crashing economy

Thats Odd since the recession happened at the end of the Bush admin when the democrats took office and started helping the people???? Funny how one always follows the other isn't it?

Lol how convenient you blame the democrats even though there is no cause by the entering of their power. You people in your faux causations. Bush's tax cuts were supposed to create "millions of job" yet they didn't create shit and the Great Recession happened anyway.

Bush's Tax Cuts created millions of jobs in China and India...no lie.

Millions? LOL. Liberals and economics just don't mix, what a dumb ass

FoxConn ALONE has 500,000 prisoners in it's headquarters.
Practically every major Corporation does it's pathetic software "development" in India.
There are at least 3 million non-Indians who have been displaced from IT in the US since 2001.
And the overwhelming majority of these H1-Bs send every discretionary penny they have back to India to buy prooerty, thus creating jobs in India.
Nice try though.

How stupid are you? I mocked your saying THE TAX CUTS created "millions of jobs in China and India." You now are arguing the total number of jobs in foreign countries for any source. Liberals are just butt stupid, you do that all the time

 

[Indeependent]

Thats Odd since the recession happened at the end of the Bush admin when the democrats took office and started helping the people???? Funny how one always follows the other isn't it?

Lol how convenient you blame the democrats even though there is no cause by the entering of their power. You people in your faux causations. Bush's tax cuts were supposed to create "millions of job" yet they didn't create shit and the Great Recession happened anyway.

Bush's Tax Cuts created millions of jobs in China and India...no lie.

Millions? LOL. Liberals and economics just don't mix, what a dumb ass

FoxConn ALONE has 500,000 prisoners in it's headquarters.
Practically every major Corporation does it's pathetic software "development" in India.
There are at least 3 million non-Indians who have been displaced from IT in the US since 2001.
And the overwhelming majority of these H1-Bs send every discretionary penny they have back to India to buy prooerty, thus creating jobs in India.
Nice try though.

How stupid are you? I mocked your saying THE TAX CUTS created "millions of jobs in China and India." You now are arguing the total number of jobs in foreign countries for any source. Liberals are just butt stupid, you do that all the time

Are YOU an idiot?
The Tax Cuts did NOTHING for the US as Corporations STILL ran away by the thousands for cheap labor, unlimited work hours, no health benefits and no pensions.

 

[Redfish]

Lol how convenient you blame the democrats even though there is no cause by the entering of their power. You people in your faux causations. Bush's tax cuts were supposed to create "millions of job" yet they didn't create shit and the Great Recession happened anyway.

Bush's Tax Cuts created millions of jobs in China and India...no lie.

Millions? LOL. Liberals and economics just don't mix, what a dumb ass

FoxConn ALONE has 500,000 prisoners in it's headquarters.
Practically every major Corporation does it's pathetic software "development" in India.
There are at least 3 million non-Indians who have been displaced from IT in the US since 2001.
And the overwhelming majority of these H1-Bs send every discretionary penny they have back to India to buy prooerty, thus creating jobs in India.
Nice try though.

How stupid are you? I mocked your saying THE TAX CUTS created "millions of jobs in China and India." You now are arguing the total number of jobs in foreign countries for any source. Liberals are just butt stupid, you do that all the time

Are YOU an idiot?
The Tax Cuts did NOTHING for the US as Corporations STILL ran away by the thousands for cheap labor, unlimited work hours, no health benefits and no pensions.

you are correct, unions and taxes drove corporations out of the USA. did you just figure that out?

 

[Redfish]

you live in some kind of parallel universe where fantasy becomes reality based on the latest dem/lib talking points.

your connection to reality is nonexistent.

No parallel universe required

Bush ordered two wars and then pushed through tax cuts. What Republicans like to call "fiscal responsibility"

Bush didn't do 9/11, he responded to it. 9/11 hurt the economy, but for the tax rate reductions, the economy would have been much worse.

True, Bush increased the national debt to pay for a war that we did not start, but Obama doubled the debt. Obama added more to the debt than all other presidents combined. That is an undeniable fact. Presidents get credit or blame for what happens while they are in office. Nothing good has happened during obozo's two terms.

What a ridiculous claim in light of how Republicans responded to Obamas attempts to borrow money

Bush committed the U.S.to trillions in spending for his wars......then cut taxes to pay for them

The facts are the facts. The national debt will have more than doubled under Obama. Spin all you like, that if factual.

Its also factual that Obama continued the Bush tax cuts when he could have cancelled them. so factually they are the bush/Obama tax cuts.

Stop kazzing. The debt would have to increase more than $2 trillion this year for Obama to double it.

The only president in my lifetime to accomplish that was Reagan, who nearly tripled it.

when he took over it was around 10T, when he leaves it will be over 20T. if that's not doubling, what is it?

 

[Redfish]

Only one party controlled the White House

Without the Democrat votes, he couldn't pass it. So this is your standard now, right? It doesn't matter what congress does, only one party controls the White House? That's what your standard is?

What a mindless drone you are, big guy

What they passed was to give Bush the authority to make the decision if Iraq was a threat.

Iraq wasn't a threat.

Hillary and Bill said it was. Were they lying?