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That is but one example of negative things that can happen when we allow this.I'm fairly sure there was no one naked in this example.
Do you think that the desire to be a women is synonymous with homosexuality? The logic I'm using is that we will see more rapes and assaults if we continue to allow these boys access to vulnerable girls. Why is that even controversial?I have no idea who told you what. Again, I have not stated a position but rather I am discussing the logic to make the argument made here.
That is but one example of negative things that can happen when we allow this.
Do you think that the desire to be a women is synonymous with homosexuality? The logic I'm using is that we will see more rapes and assaults if we continue to allow these boys access to vulnerable girls. Why is that even controversial?
"I want to see naked girls. If I pretend to be a girl, I can see them every day", said some hormone addled teenaged boys who couldn't get any attention from girls.
DukeU: Men around women is a purely imagined harm. Nothing negative will ever happen.
I know. Let's let them use the women's restroom, and join the women's sports teams.
No, it does not, but THINK, we're putting boys in with vulnerable girls. In that group of boys will be those who get pushed over the edge by being in a room with naked girls. It's an open invitation for abuse.I doesn't take nudity for men to rape and assault women.
This is not the only case of a girl being assaulted by a boy claiming to be a girl, and there will be more.I do not think one example of something proves anything. I also believe those who have been made fun of and demeaned can have anger issues.
This is a serious discussion that the country needs to have without the hate and vitriol attached to it but it seems we are incapable.
No, it does not, but THINK, we're putting boys in with vulnerable girls. In that group of boys will be those who get pushed over the edge by being in a room with naked girls. It's an open invitation for abuse.
This is not the only case of a girl being assaulted by a boy claiming to be a girl, and there will be more.
AGAIN, why take steps that we KNOW will increase the number of girls being raped and assaulted? WHY? We're not talking about adults who are more in control of themselves, we're talking about hormone addled teenagers, many of whom have not had the benefits of strong masculine guidance by men in society who teach them how to treat girls with respect.
The mere fact that he had access to girls where they were vulnerable is a problem.Now maybe we can get somewhere. Do I think it's a good idea to put adolescent boys attracted to girls who may be naked together? No, I fully understand the dynamics there.
Was that the case here? There is no evidence of that.
And I don't want to make it easier for them to do it.And there are slews of examples of boys assaulting girls every day.
And maybe the girls were teasing him. Maybe they were upset that a boy was allowed to be in the same room where they were naked and vulnerable, and they couldn't do anything about it because they would be labelled and ostracized. I just don't believe the right answer is for schools to put boys and girls together, naked, in the same rooms. It's tough enough to be an extremely self-conscious teenager forced to be naked with members of the same sex, much more with members of the opposite sex.I'm not aware it will make the issue increase. As far as I know this person did NOT assault this girl over a sexual attraction. It would appear to me they felt excluded.
We have seen kids shoot up schools over that.
The mere fact that he had access to girls where they were vulnerable is a problem.
And I don't want to make it easier for them to do it.
And maybe the girls were teasing him. Maybe they were upset that a boy was allowed to be in the same room where they were naked and vulnerable, and they couldn't do anything about it because they would be labelled and ostracized. I just don't believe the right answer is for schools to put boys and girls together, naked, in the same rooms. It's tough enough to be an extremely self-conscious teenager forced to be naked with members of the same sex, much more with members of the opposite sex.
IMO depends. Your facts are not in evidence. I know women who have zero issues undressing around gay men.
OP is about boys and girls, not men and women.
Although I don't think any male should be allowed in a restroom with a female.
In this case, we're talking about teen-aged girls being naked with boys who are NOT automatically assumed to be gay. See, "I know women" doesn't address all the girls who were NOT asked if they were okay with having boys in their locker rooms while they were naked.IMO depends. Your facts are not in evidence. I know women who have zero issues undressing around gay men.
Okay, but we also have to stop assigning hate and vitriol when mere opposition to an idea is raised. There has to be a better solution than just tossing a boy who claims he feels like a girl (but is still attracted to girls) into a locker room where the girls are naked and telling the girls they have to accept it or be labelled a bigot and ostracized.Is the girls feelings important here also? Absolutely, which is why I said we need to have this conversation without the hate and vitriol (from both sides) but seem unable to.
In this case, we're talking about teen-aged girls being naked with boys who are NOT automatically assumed to be gay. See, "I know women" doesn't address all the girls who were NOT asked if they were okay with having boys in their locker rooms while they were naked.
Okay, but we also have to stop assigning hate and vitriol when mere opposition to an idea is raised. There has to be a better solution than just tossing a boy who claims he feels like a girl (but is still attracted to girls) into a locker room where the girls are naked and telling the girls they have to accept it or be labelled a bigot and ostracized.
Where does this occur?I know women who have zero issues undressing around gay men.
Where does this occur?
How do the women know they're gay?
And we should have a discussion around that in a sane rational way. What you get otherwise is kids shooting up schools.
Discussions have happened and laws passed. Here we are discussing the results of people ignoring, what most would consider common sense.
Don't want to belabor the point but did SI have the artists sign a release stating they were gay?They are friends.
An anecdotal story is only that but I recall reading in one of the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issues that had the models with painted suits how the model wanted to make sure the artist painting on her was gay.
