The American Miracle...They Called Lincoln everything they are calling Trump...

[bitter clinging swiftie]

We can only hope and pray that the Donald is nothing like the tyrant murderer Lincoln.

Lincoln held the Union together and brought about the end of slavery......he didn't start the war, the democrats did....

Correction- Southern White Democrat males started the war.

Millions of Northern white Democrats supported the Union.

southern unionists werent non existent either

 

[Syriusly]

This is what Lincoln had to deal with.......sound familiar to what Trump has to deal with?

Evidence for The Unpopular Mr. Lincoln | Civil War Trust

"The illustrious Honest Old Abe has continued during the last week to make a fool of himself and to mortify and shame the intelligent people of this great nation. His speeches have demonstrated the fact that although originally a Herculean rail splitter and more lately a whimsical story teller and side splitter, he is no more capable of becoming a statesman, nay, even a moderate one, than the braying ass can become a noble lion.

People now marvel how it came to pass that Mr. Lincoln should have been selected as the representative man of any party.

His weak, wishy-washy, namby-pamby efforts, imbecile in matter, disgusting in manner, have made us the laughing stock of the whole world.

The European powers will despise us because we have no better material out of which to make a President.

The truth is, Lincoln is only a moderate lawyer and in the larger cities of the Union could pass for no more than a facetious pettifogger.

Take him from his vocation and he loses even these small characteristics and indulges in simple twaddle which would disgrace a well bred school boy."


Written as Abraham Lincoln approached Washington by train for his 1861 presidential inauguration, this tirade was not the rant of a fire-eating secessionist editor in Richmond or New Orleans.

It was the declaration of the Salem Advocate, a newspaper printed in Lincoln's home ground of central Illinois.

The Advocate had plenty of company among Northern opinion makers. The editor of Massachusetts's influential Springfield Republican, Samuel Bowles, despaired in a letter to a friend the same week, "Lincoln is a 'simple Susan.'"


You could almost substitute Trump for Lincoln in these comments....and these are the people of his own party....just like the assholes in the Republican party who attack Trump.....

The most esteemed orator in America, Edward Everett, wrote in his diary: "He is evidently a person of very inferior cast of character, wholly unequal to the crisis."


From Washington, Congressman Charles Francis Adams wrote, "His speeches have fallen like a wet blanket here. They put to flight all notions of greatness." Then, at the end of his journey a few days later, Lincoln was forced to sneak into the capital on a secret midnight train to avoid assassination, disguised in a soft felt hat, a muffler and a short bobtailed coat.

Seems they're bashing him for being too poor, having no experience other than running a small law office, and that he would "disgrace any well bred schoolboy."

Did you mean to type "Obama" in your OP instead of "Trump?"

No......obama hated this country....Lincoln loved this country......and what they said about Lincoln was a lie....he was a very successful lawyer and had actually done a lot of things in his life.....obama had done nothing even with all the advantages he had.....

I love Lincoln.

But the comparison between Obama and Lincoln is so much closer than to Trump and Lincoln that your comparison is just- well your usual ridiculous partisan racism.

This quote about Lincoln could have been 2aguy speaking about President Obama:

His weak, wishy-washy, namby-pamby efforts, imbecile in matter, disgusting in manner, have made us the laughing stock of the whole world.

Why does 2aguy feel obligated to insult a great President like Lincoln by comparing Trump to him?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Yeah. Trump is reviled by idiots. Only smart people support him. You nailed it.

 

[Syriusly]

Attempting to make equivalence between Trump and
Lincoln is a sign of desperation. Trump is no Lincoln.

Yep- I knew Lincoln- and sir- you are no Lincoln!

I am guessing next week 2aguy is going to be comparing Trump to George Washington, and his reputation for honesty......

 

[Syriusly]

Lincoln wasn't a retarded racist who colluded with a hostile foreign government.

trump is an asshole but how is he a racist?

Well Trump did refuse to rent to African Americans and Puerto Ricans......

 

[Moonglow]

So you are saying Trump should put his big boy pants on, and stop whining....?

No...I am pointing out that sometimes men who are reviled by idiots, are those leaders who actually make a difference in nations history, especially when the future of the country is on the line......

The morons who attacked Lincoln are no different than the establishment republicans attacking Trump....they are fighting him when they should be fighting the democrats....

Every leader has their idiots....Nothing new, there is someone that will always bitch no matter the situation...

 

[Moonglow]

Attempting to make equivalence between Trump and
Lincoln is a sign of desperation. Trump is no Lincoln.

Yep- I knew Lincoln- and sir- you are no Lincoln!

I am guessing next week 2aguy is going to be comparing Trump to George Washington, and his reputation for honesty......

Yet Washington never cut down a cherry tree, he lit the outhouse on fire...

 

[Moonglow]

Lincoln didn't run on the RNC ticket the second term...

 

[bitter clinging swiftie]

Lincoln wasn't a retarded racist who colluded with a hostile foreign government.

trump is an asshole but how is he a racist?

Well Trump did refuse to rent to African Americans and Puerto Ricans......

was it BECAUSE of their ethnicity? in large cities, blacks tend to have lower income, worse credit, and more likely to have a felony record. And remember back in the 80s, black america overall was a lot poorer and less educated than it is now. Thats not to say that Trump didnt refuse to lease strictly on the basis of ethnicity, but from what little bit Ive gathered from this incident, it wasnt like there was a "colords need not apply" rider on the rent application

 

[Syriusly]

So this is why Republicans ignore Lincoln when presidents are rated by historians.

No, democrat historians ignore Lincoln because he made them give up their black slaves....

Really? Democrat historians 'ignore' Lincoln......does 2aguy actually believe anyone would believe this?

Maybe he just thinks his target audience is so illiterate that they have never read a Lincoln biography.

Arguably the most famous Lincoln biographer of all is Doris Kearns Goodwin- she wrote "Team of Rivals"- a fantastic book- and Doris Kearns worked in the LBJ Whitehouse......(by the way her biography on Teddy Roosevelt is great)

George McGovern wrote a biography of Lincoln.

Another famous Lincoln biographer- James M. McPherson
Historian sees lessons, Lincoln parallels for Obama - CNN.com

CNN: Do you see temperamental similarities between Obama and Lincoln? Some people have noted that.

McPherson: I think I do. ... Lincoln occasionally did lose his temper, but he usually managed to maintain his cool. ... This kind of temperament -- keeping your cool, keeping your temper, trying to base your decisions on rational thought rather than emotions or temporary explosions of temper -- I think they're similar in that respect and that was a really important factor in Lincoln's leadership qualities.

CNN: Finally, as a historian, does it give you pleasure that Obama is apparently a reader of history?

McPherson: Well yes, it's almost exhilarating to have a president who reads history, knows history and realizes the value of understanding history. "Pleasure" is the right word.

 

[Syriusly]

Lincoln wasn't a retarded racist who colluded with a hostile foreign government.

trump is an asshole but how is he a racist?

Well Trump did refuse to rent to African Americans and Puerto Ricans......

was it BECAUSE of their ethnicity? in large cities, blacks tend to have lower income, worse credit, and more likely to have a felony record. And remember back in the 80s, black america overall was a lot poorer and less educated than it is now. Thats not to say that Trump didnt refuse to lease strictly on the basis of ethnicity, but from what little bit Ive gathered from this incident, it wasnt like there was a "colords need not apply" rider on the rent application

NEW YORK — When a black woman asked to rent an apartment in a Brooklyn complex managed by Donald Trump’s real estate company, she said she was told that nothing was available. A short time later, a white woman who made the same request was invited to choose between two available apartments.

The two would-be renters on that July 1972 day were actually undercover “testers” for a government-sanctioned investigation to determine whether Trump Management Inc. discriminated against minorities seeking housing at properties across Brooklyn and Queens.

Federal investigators also gathered evidence. Trump employees had secretly marked the applications of minorities with codes, such as “No. 9” and “C” for “colored,” according to government interview accounts filed in federal court. The employees allegedly directed blacks and Puerto Ricans away from buildings with mostly white tenants, and steered them toward properties that had many minorities, the government filings alleged.

In October 1973, the Justice Department filed a civil rights case that accused the Trump firm, whose complexes contained 14,000 apartments, of violating the Fair Housing Act of 1968.

 

[bitter clinging swiftie]

Lincoln wasn't a retarded racist who colluded with a hostile foreign government.

trump is an asshole but how is he a racist?

Well Trump did refuse to rent to African Americans and Puerto Ricans......

was it BECAUSE of their ethnicity? in large cities, blacks tend to have lower income, worse credit, and more likely to have a felony record. And remember back in the 80s, black america overall was a lot poorer and less educated than it is now. Thats not to say that Trump didnt refuse to lease strictly on the basis of ethnicity, but from what little bit Ive gathered from this incident, it wasnt like there was a "colords need not apply" rider on the rent application

NEW YORK — When a black woman asked to rent an apartment in a Brooklyn complex managed by Donald Trump’s real estate company, she said she was told that nothing was available. A short time later, a white woman who made the same request was invited to choose between two available apartments.

The two would-be renters on that July 1972 day were actually undercover “testers” for a government-sanctioned investigation to determine whether Trump Management Inc. discriminated against minorities seeking housing at properties across Brooklyn and Queens.

Federal investigators also gathered evidence. Trump employees had secretly marked the applications of minorities with codes, such as “No. 9” and “C” for “colored,” according to government interview accounts filed in federal court. The employees allegedly directed blacks and Puerto Ricans away from buildings with mostly white tenants, and steered them toward properties that had many minorities, the government filings alleged.

In October 1973, the Justice Department filed a civil rights case that accused the Trump firm, whose complexes contained 14,000 apartments, of violating the Fair Housing Act of 1968.

interesting
how personally was trump involved in the alleged housing discrimination?

 

[Syriusly]

Lincoln wasn't a retarded racist who colluded with a hostile foreign government.

trump is an asshole but how is he a racist?

Well Trump did refuse to rent to African Americans and Puerto Ricans......

was it BECAUSE of their ethnicity? in large cities, blacks tend to have lower income, worse credit, and more likely to have a felony record. And remember back in the 80s, black america overall was a lot poorer and less educated than it is now. Thats not to say that Trump didnt refuse to lease strictly on the basis of ethnicity, but from what little bit Ive gathered from this incident, it wasnt like there was a "colords need not apply" rider on the rent application

NEW YORK — When a black woman asked to rent an apartment in a Brooklyn complex managed by Donald Trump’s real estate company, she said she was told that nothing was available. A short time later, a white woman who made the same request was invited to choose between two available apartments.

The two would-be renters on that July 1972 day were actually undercover “testers” for a government-sanctioned investigation to determine whether Trump Management Inc. discriminated against minorities seeking housing at properties across Brooklyn and Queens.

Federal investigators also gathered evidence. Trump employees had secretly marked the applications of minorities with codes, such as “No. 9” and “C” for “colored,” according to government interview accounts filed in federal court. The employees allegedly directed blacks and Puerto Ricans away from buildings with mostly white tenants, and steered them toward properties that had many minorities, the government filings alleged.

In October 1973, the Justice Department filed a civil rights case that accused the Trump firm, whose complexes contained 14,000 apartments, of violating the Fair Housing Act of 1968.

interesting
how personally was trump involved in the alleged housing discrimination?

He was sued personally- as he was at the time the President of the organization.

 

[Syriusly]

1864 Republican Platform- sounds just like Trump..........

8. Resolved, That foreign immigration, which in the past has added so much to the wealth, development of resources, and increase of power to this nation, –the asylum of the oppressed of all nations, –should be fostered and encouraged by a liberal and just policy.

 

[bitter clinging swiftie]

trump is an asshole but how is he a racist?

Well Trump did refuse to rent to African Americans and Puerto Ricans......

was it BECAUSE of their ethnicity? in large cities, blacks tend to have lower income, worse credit, and more likely to have a felony record. And remember back in the 80s, black america overall was a lot poorer and less educated than it is now. Thats not to say that Trump didnt refuse to lease strictly on the basis of ethnicity, but from what little bit Ive gathered from this incident, it wasnt like there was a "colords need not apply" rider on the rent application

NEW YORK — When a black woman asked to rent an apartment in a Brooklyn complex managed by Donald Trump’s real estate company, she said she was told that nothing was available. A short time later, a white woman who made the same request was invited to choose between two available apartments.

The two would-be renters on that July 1972 day were actually undercover “testers” for a government-sanctioned investigation to determine whether Trump Management Inc. discriminated against minorities seeking housing at properties across Brooklyn and Queens.

Federal investigators also gathered evidence. Trump employees had secretly marked the applications of minorities with codes, such as “No. 9” and “C” for “colored,” according to government interview accounts filed in federal court. The employees allegedly directed blacks and Puerto Ricans away from buildings with mostly white tenants, and steered them toward properties that had many minorities, the government filings alleged.

In October 1973, the Justice Department filed a civil rights case that accused the Trump firm, whose complexes contained 14,000 apartments, of violating the Fair Housing Act of 1968.

interesting
how personally was trump involved in the alleged housing discrimination?

He was sued personally- as he was at the time the President of the organization.

did he settle out of court?

 

[NYcarbineer]

I am reading through the Lincoln part of Michael Medved's book on America.....The American Miracle....he relates through his research how the governing class at the time called Lincoln all sorts of names...including buffoon and ape.....and these were his own people....they hated the fact that he came almost from nowhere to capture the Presidency.....the hate for him was real.....and the same as the hate you see for Trump.....

Even McClellan, his general wrote to his wife about how he couldn't stand Lincoln....a General who couldn't fight the democrats on the battlefield .......and allowed the democrats to kick his ass in just about every battle....

And then Lincoln led the country through the worst event in our history, when the democrats tried to separate from the Union so they could keep blacks as slaves.....

The first Republican President, fighting his own party and fighting the democrats both in the North and the South......

Eerily familiar....

The American Miracle: Divine Providence in the Rise of the Republic: Michael Medved: 9780553447262: Amazon.com: Patio, Lawn & Garden

This is what Lincoln had to deal with...

McClellan snubs Lincoln - Nov 13, 1861 - HISTORY.com

On this day in 1861, President Abraham Lincoln pays a late night visit to General George McClellan, who Lincoln had recently named general in chief of the Union army. The general retired to his chambers before speaking with the president.

This was the most famous example of McClellan’s cavalier disregard for the president’s authority. Lincoln had tapped McClellan to head the Army of the Potomac—the main Union army in the East—in July 1861 after the disastrous Union defeat at the First Battle of Bull Run, Virginia. McClellan immediately began to build an effective army, and was elevated to general in chief after Winfield Scott resignedthat fall.

Does this sound like too many republicans today.....

McClellan drew praise for his military initiatives but quickly developed a reputation for his arrogance and contempt toward the political leaders in Washington, D.C. After being named to the top army post, McClellan began openly associating with Democratic leaders in Congress and showing his disregard for the Republican administration.




To his wife,McClellan wrote that Lincoln was “nothing more than a well-meaning baboon,” and Secretary of State William Seward was an “incompetent little puppy.”

Secession occurred because the conservatives in the South were terrified of Lincoln and the threat he represented to slavery, whether justifiably or not.

 

[Syriusly]

Well Trump did refuse to rent to African Americans and Puerto Ricans......

was it BECAUSE of their ethnicity? in large cities, blacks tend to have lower income, worse credit, and more likely to have a felony record. And remember back in the 80s, black america overall was a lot poorer and less educated than it is now. Thats not to say that Trump didnt refuse to lease strictly on the basis of ethnicity, but from what little bit Ive gathered from this incident, it wasnt like there was a "colords need not apply" rider on the rent application

NEW YORK — When a black woman asked to rent an apartment in a Brooklyn complex managed by Donald Trump’s real estate company, she said she was told that nothing was available. A short time later, a white woman who made the same request was invited to choose between two available apartments.

The two would-be renters on that July 1972 day were actually undercover “testers” for a government-sanctioned investigation to determine whether Trump Management Inc. discriminated against minorities seeking housing at properties across Brooklyn and Queens.

Federal investigators also gathered evidence. Trump employees had secretly marked the applications of minorities with codes, such as “No. 9” and “C” for “colored,” according to government interview accounts filed in federal court. The employees allegedly directed blacks and Puerto Ricans away from buildings with mostly white tenants, and steered them toward properties that had many minorities, the government filings alleged.

In October 1973, the Justice Department filed a civil rights case that accused the Trump firm, whose complexes contained 14,000 apartments, of violating the Fair Housing Act of 1968.

interesting
how personally was trump involved in the alleged housing discrimination?

He was sued personally- as he was at the time the President of the organization.

did he settle out of court?

Yep- and he promised to not do it again...

The two sides eventually came to terms. On June 10, 1975, they signed an agreement prohibiting the Trumps from “discriminating against any person in the terms, conditions, or priveleges of sale or rental of a dwelling.” The Trumps were ordered to “thoroughly acquaint themselves personally on a detailed basis” with the Fair Housing Act.

The agreement also required the Trumps to place ads informing minorities they had an equal opportunity to seek housing at their properties.

The decree makes clear the Trumps did not view the agreement as a surrender, saying the settlement was “in no way an admission” of a violation.

The Justice Department claimed victory, calling the decree “one of the most far-reaching ever negotiated.”

Newspaper headlines echoed that view. “Minorities win housing suit,” said the New York Amsterdam News, which told readers that “qualified Blacks and Puerto Ricans now have the opportunity to rent apartments owned by Trump Management.”

Goldweber, the Justice lawyer who originally argued the case, said it was a clear government victory.

The government “had the [racial] coding, they had the testers , and had the testimony of people who worked there,” said Goldweber, now a private practice lawyer in New York. “It was an important, significant step for enforcement of the Fair Housing Act. It was a big deal.”

Other rental agents employed by the Trumps told the FBI that only 1 percent of tenants at the Trump-run Ocean Terrace Apartments were black, and that there were no black tenants at Lincoln Shore Apartments. Both were on Ocean Parkway in Brooklyn. However, minorities were steered to a different complex on Flatbush Avenue in Brooklyn, Patio Gardens, which was 40 percent black, the government said.

One black woman, for example, was turned away at a heavily white complex but told that she should “try to obtain an apartment at Patio Gardens,” where “a black judge had recently become a tenant,” according to government filings.

Phyllis Spiro, a white woman who went undercover in 1973 at a Trump property, told investigators how a building superintendent acknowledged to her “that he followed a racially discriminatory rental policy at the direction of his superiors, and that there were only very few ‘colored’ tenants” at the complex, according to court records.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So this is why Republicans ignore Lincoln when presidents are rated by historians.

No, democrat historians ignore Lincoln because he made them give up their black slaves....

Historians, Democratic and Republicans. rate Lincoln among the top three presidents. It doesn't seem to be the historians that ignore Lincoln but Republican posters on these boards. If true, why is that?

Lincoln suspended habeas corpus… Unforgivable. Thr federal government never should have that type of power…

Jefferson Davis also suspended habeas corpus, and additionally, the Confederacy was the first in American history to use conscription to force citizens into the military.

 

[Rustic]

So this is why Republicans ignore Lincoln when presidents are rated by historians.

No, democrat historians ignore Lincoln because he made them give up their black slaves....

Historians, Democratic and Republicans. rate Lincoln among the top three presidents. It doesn't seem to be the historians that ignore Lincoln but Republican posters on these boards. If true, why is that?

Lincoln suspended habeas corpus… Unforgivable. Thr federal government never should have that type of power…

Jefferson Davis also suspended habeas corpus, and additionally, the Confederacy was the first in American history to use conscription to force citizens into the military.

...And Lincoln was 100% wrong in the decision

 

[Pogo]

We can only hope and pray that the Donald is nothing like the tyrant murderer Lincoln.

Lincoln held the Union together and brought about the end of slavery......he didn't start the war, the democrats did....

Correction- Southern White Democrat males started the war.


Millions of Northern white Democrats supported the Union.

southern unionists werent non existent either

Indeed. The "South" was bitterly divided between the sides. The counties of northwestern Virginia seceded from Virginia for that reason. And even there it wasn't a united front --- some of the counties seceded not because they wanted to but because they were occupied by Union troops. East Tennessee attempted to do the same thing and was coerced by military force to shut up. In fact its local Senator Johnson was the only Senator to remain in the US Senate despite the state's secession (and then became President upon Lincoln's death).

"Civil" war is an entire subdimension of War. It means not only two sides but anarchy and chaos within a side. There is always a noble contingent within that wants no part of either side but just wants to protect its own turf and peace. The more militant of these in the Civil War were called Bushwhackers, and operated as scouts and snipers against any passing army, whether wearing blue or grey (and that wasn't always clear; sometimes they traveled in disguise). On the other side there were the "Home Guards", locals who operated on behalf of whichever army happened to be in control at the time. This is a whole third dimension, like Star Trek's three-dimensional chess, beyond the binary concept of two-sided war -- this is four sides with two of them frequently changing sides and the other two frequently impersonating the opposite side. When we describe "brother against brother" it's a lot more complex than one brother goes blue and the other goes grey. The War disrupted commerce, railroads, food supplies --- everything.

The Confederacy was by no means at all a united front. It's said that its war "died of states rights" when the Richmond government demanded troops and state governors said no.

>> Greene County [Tennessee] changed hands about forty times during the course of the war. No major battles were fought, but skirmishes and ambushes between the two sides were a regular occurrence. The bands of roving Yankees and Rebels had to live off the land. Consequently, they terrorized the local farm families. << -- The Tree in the Churchyard: A Bicentennial History of Meadow Creek, -pp. 21-22 (emphasis added)
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"Standard" wars can almost fit into a binary description of "A against B". "Civil" (intranational) war is a whole 'nother thing.