Zone1 The Big Bootstrap Lie

[IM2]

In this country we beieve a lot of nostalgia about our past and how America has come to be. One of the great American Fairy tales is the tale of how one group of people pulled themselves up by the bootstras and made themselves successful. Having complete knowledge of American history should be something we all should strive to achieve. Because no one in this country raised themselves up by therown bootstraps ever. And if we believe that, we might as well believe that Paul Bunyan had a big blue ox and used that Ox and his plow to create the Rocky Mountains.

Pull Yourself Up by Bootstraps? Go Ahead, Try It​

It’s impossible, and yet the bootstraps narrative drives out good policy.

Back in the 1800s, the expression “pull oneself up by the bootstraps” meant the opposite of what it does now. Then it was used mockingly to describe an impossible act.

The problem is that this bootstraps narrative drives out good policy in three ways.

First, it suggests that historically Americans rose purely through rugged individualism — think of the pioneers!

Ah, but why did the pioneers go west? Because of government benefit programs that granted them homesteads! Ten percent of America’s land was given out as homesteads, and perhaps one-quarter of Americans (almost all of them white) owe part of their family wealth to the homestead acts.

Second, the bootstraps narrative often suggests that benefits programs are counterproductive because they foster “dependency.” That may have been a plausible argument a generation ago, but the evidence now indicates that it is incorrect.

Third, the bootstraps narrative implies that everyone can pull a Ben Carson (Carson himself falls for this fallacy). This is like arguing that because some people can run a four-minute mile, everyone can.

Yes, some Americans soar from humble beginnings; more often, the top is occupied by those who, say, were earning $200,000 a year at age 3, in today’s money, as President Trump was.

Opinion | Pull Yourself Up by Bootstraps? Go Ahead, Try It (Published 2020)

It’s impossible, and yet the bootstraps narrative drives out good policy.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Oddball]

You're right....Life sucks....You can't do anything....Best just end it all now.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Damn pioneers had everything handed to em

 

[MarathonMike]

In this country we beieve a lot of nostalgia about our past and how America has come to be. One of the great American Fairy tales is the tale of how one group of people pulled themselves up by the bootstras and made themselves successful. Having complete knowledge of American history should be something we all should strive to achieve. Because no one in this country raised themselves up by therown bootstraps ever. And if we believe that, we might as well believe that Paul Bunyan had a big blue ox and used that Ox and his plow to create the Rocky Mountains.

Pull Yourself Up by Bootstraps? Go Ahead, Try It​

It’s impossible, and yet the bootstraps narrative drives out good policy.

Back in the 1800s, the expression “pull oneself up by the bootstraps” meant the opposite of what it does now. Then it was used mockingly to describe an impossible act.

The problem is that this bootstraps narrative drives out good policy in three ways.

First, it suggests that historically Americans rose purely through rugged individualism — think of the pioneers!

Ah, but why did the pioneers go west? Because of government benefit programs that granted them homesteads! Ten percent of America’s land was given out as homesteads, and perhaps one-quarter of Americans (almost all of them white) owe part of their family wealth to the homestead acts.

Second, the bootstraps narrative often suggests that benefits programs are counterproductive because they foster “dependency.” That may have been a plausible argument a generation ago, but the evidence now indicates that it is incorrect.

Third, the bootstraps narrative implies that everyone can pull a Ben Carson (Carson himself falls for this fallacy). This is like arguing that because some people can run a four-minute mile, everyone can.

Yes, some Americans soar from humble beginnings; more often, the top is occupied by those who, say, were earning $200,000 a year at age 3, in today’s money, as President Trump was.

Opinion | Pull Yourself Up by Bootstraps? Go Ahead, Try It (Published 2020)

It’s impossible, and yet the bootstraps narrative drives out good policy.

www.nytimes.com

Booker T Washington blows up your bootstrap lecture. Another fail. Next.

 

[Oddball]

Booker T Washington blows up your bootstrap lecture. Another fail. Next.

C.J. Walker.

 

[rampart]

In this country we beieve a lot of nostalgia about our past and how America has come to be. One of the great American Fairy tales is the tale of how one group of people pulled themselves up by the bootstras and made themselves successful. Having complete knowledge of American history should be something we all should strive to achieve. Because no one in this country raised themselves up by therown bootstraps ever. And if we believe that, we might as well believe that Paul Bunyan had a big blue ox and used that Ox and his plow to create the Rocky Mountains.

Pull Yourself Up by Bootstraps? Go Ahead, Try It​

It’s impossible, and yet the bootstraps narrative drives out good policy.

Back in the 1800s, the expression “pull oneself up by the bootstraps” meant the opposite of what it does now. Then it was used mockingly to describe an impossible act.

The problem is that this bootstraps narrative drives out good policy in three ways.

First, it suggests that historically Americans rose purely through rugged individualism — think of the pioneers!

Ah, but why did the pioneers go west? Because of government benefit programs that granted them homesteads! Ten percent of America’s land was given out as homesteads, and perhaps one-quarter of Americans (almost all of them white) owe part of their family wealth to the homestead acts.

Second, the bootstraps narrative often suggests that benefits programs are counterproductive because they foster “dependency.” That may have been a plausible argument a generation ago, but the evidence now indicates that it is incorrect.

Third, the bootstraps narrative implies that everyone can pull a Ben Carson (Carson himself falls for this fallacy). This is like arguing that because some people can run a four-minute mile, everyone can.

Yes, some Americans soar from humble beginnings; more often, the top is occupied by those who, say, were earning $200,000 a year at age 3, in today’s money, as President Trump was.

Opinion | Pull Yourself Up by Bootstraps? Go Ahead, Try It (Published 2020)

It’s impossible, and yet the bootstraps narrative drives out good policy.

www.nytimes.com

those rugged western pioneers were the first to call the cavalry (buffalo soldier or not) when tribes of unfriendly commanches are riding around the place as if they owned it.

i guess after the comanches were all sent to a farm upstate where they can run in the fields and play with the other happy indians they don't need us anymore .

these guys watch a few movies and suddenly become experts on american history.

 

[el midgetron]

Black people don’t know how much work it takes to colonize a continent. They never did it. They got a free ride over here. Had all their meals and housing given to them. It was like time-travel for them. From the Stone Age to the 19th century in one short boat ride.

 

[Auld Phart]

Damn pioneers had everything handed to em

only if they were white.

 

[IM2]

Damn pioneers had everything handed to em

I'm glad you finally figured this out.

 

[rampart]

Black people don’t know how much work it takes to colonize a continent. They never did it. They got a free ride over here. Had all their meals and housing given to them. It was like time-travel for them. From the Stone Age to the 19th century in one short boat ride.

i guess after all that hard work buildin g a continent you guys can take a break now.

 

[IM2]

Black people don’t know how much work it takes to colonize a continent. They never did it. They got a free ride over here. Had all their meals and housing given to them. It was like time-travel for them. From the Stone Age to the 19th century in one short boat ride.

I guess blacks didn't have to colonize. Because Africa had everything we needed, unike the European shitholes your ancestors ran away from where all you could do was grow potatoes. A free ride? I don't think so. Blacks went from civilization back to the stone age is what really happened..

 

[el midgetron]

i guess after all that hard work buildin g a continent you guys can take a break now.

That’s exactly what the colonizers told the savage Indians when they found them murdering slaves on top of giant pyramids.

 

[IM2]

And one thing we do know is how to build a continent since whites sat on their asses watching us work.

 

[el midgetron]

I guess blacks don't have to colonize. Because Africa had everything we needed, unike the European shitholes your ancestors ran away from where all you could do was grow potatoes. A free ride? I don't think so. Blacks went from civilization back to the stone age is what really happened..

Everything you needed? How much more callous and indifferent can you be to the suffering that continues to this day in Africa?
Africa is the cradle of civilization. Black people had a literal head-start on everyone else. Yet, they never built anything.

 

[rampart]

That’s exactly what the colonizers told the savage Indians when they found them murdering slaves on top of giant pyramids.

slaves? the messengers of the aztecs to their gods were the chiefs and nobles of neighboring tribes. prisoners of war.; like the ones we waterboard and other fun activities not much different from a fraternity initiation.

 

[rampart]

Everything you needed? How much more callous and indifferent can you be to the suffering that continues to this day in Africa?
Africa is the cradle of civilization. Black people had a literal head-start on everyone else. Yet, they never built anything.

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[Auld Phart]

 

[Yarddog]

In this country we beieve a lot of nostalgia about our past and how America has come to be. One of the great American Fairy tales is the tale of how one group of people pulled themselves up by the bootstras and made themselves successful. Having complete knowledge of American history should be something we all should strive to achieve. Because no one in this country raised themselves up by therown bootstraps ever. And if we believe that, we might as well believe that Paul Bunyan had a big blue ox and used that Ox and his plow to create the Rocky Mountains.

Pull Yourself Up by Bootstraps? Go Ahead, Try It​

It’s impossible, and yet the bootstraps narrative drives out good policy.

Back in the 1800s, the expression “pull oneself up by the bootstraps” meant the opposite of what it does now. Then it was used mockingly to describe an impossible act.

The problem is that this bootstraps narrative drives out good policy in three ways.

First, it suggests that historically Americans rose purely through rugged individualism — think of the pioneers!

Ah, but why did the pioneers go west? Because of government benefit programs that granted them homesteads! Ten percent of America’s land was given out as homesteads, and perhaps one-quarter of Americans (almost all of them white) owe part of their family wealth to the homestead acts.

Second, the bootstraps narrative often suggests that benefits programs are counterproductive because they foster “dependency.” That may have been a plausible argument a generation ago, but the evidence now indicates that it is incorrect.

Third, the bootstraps narrative implies that everyone can pull a Ben Carson (Carson himself falls for this fallacy). This is like arguing that because some people can run a four-minute mile, everyone can.

Yes, some Americans soar from humble beginnings; more often, the top is occupied by those who, say, were earning $200,000 a year at age 3, in today’s money, as President Trump was.

Opinion | Pull Yourself Up by Bootstraps? Go Ahead, Try It (Published 2020)

It’s impossible, and yet the bootstraps narrative drives out good policy.

www.nytimes.com

And as a matter of fact a lot of them Pioneers was the BLACK MAN, and he benefited greatly.
But life wasnt easy for any of those pioneers just because they got a Government land grant.
a lot of them died early and lost everything as well...

The Unheralded Pioneers of 19th-Century America Were Free African-American Families

In her new book, 'The Bone and Sinew of the Land', historian Anna-Lisa Cox explores the mostly ignored story of the free black people who first moved West

www.smithsonianmag.com

When the newly formed United States government opened the territory up for purchase by citizens, ignoring indigenous populations’ right to the land, the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 also stipulated that the region would be free of slavery and that any man who owned at least 50 acres of land, regardless of skin color, could vote. By 1860, the federal census found more than 63,000 African-Americans living in the five states that were founded out of that territory; 73 percent of them lived in rural areas. Those people are the focus in The Bone and Sinew of the Land: America’s Forgotten Black Pioneers and the Struggle for Equality by Harvard historian Anna-Lisa Cox.

 

[Yarddog]

In this country we beieve a lot of nostalgia about our past and how America has come to be. One of the great American Fairy tales is the tale of how one group of people pulled themselves up by the bootstras and made themselves successful. Having complete knowledge of American history should be something we all should strive to achieve. Because no one in this country raised themselves up by therown bootstraps ever. And if we believe that, we might as well believe that Paul Bunyan had a big blue ox and used that Ox and his plow to create the Rocky Mountains.

Pull Yourself Up by Bootstraps? Go Ahead, Try It​

It’s impossible, and yet the bootstraps narrative drives out good policy.

Back in the 1800s, the expression “pull oneself up by the bootstraps” meant the opposite of what it does now. Then it was used mockingly to describe an impossible act.

The problem is that this bootstraps narrative drives out good policy in three ways.

First, it suggests that historically Americans rose purely through rugged individualism — think of the pioneers!

Ah, but why did the pioneers go west? Because of government benefit programs that granted them homesteads! Ten percent of America’s land was given out as homesteads, and perhaps one-quarter of Americans (almost all of them white) owe part of their family wealth to the homestead acts.

Second, the bootstraps narrative often suggests that benefits programs are counterproductive because they foster “dependency.” That may have been a plausible argument a generation ago, but the evidence now indicates that it is incorrect.

Third, the bootstraps narrative implies that everyone can pull a Ben Carson (Carson himself falls for this fallacy). This is like arguing that because some people can run a four-minute mile, everyone can.

Yes, some Americans soar from humble beginnings; more often, the top is occupied by those who, say, were earning $200,000 a year at age 3, in today’s money, as President Trump was.

Opinion | Pull Yourself Up by Bootstraps? Go Ahead, Try It (Published 2020)

It’s impossible, and yet the bootstraps narrative drives out good policy.

www.nytimes.com

They also had to get past the Comanche Indians who slaughtered everyone, wether They be Indian, White or Black man.. until after the civil war ended

 

[IM2]

And as a matter of fact a lot of them Pioneers was the BLACK MAN, and he benefited greatly.
But life wasnt easy for any of those pioneers just because they got a Government land grant.
a lot of them died early and lost everything as well...

The Unheralded Pioneers of 19th-Century America Were Free African-American Families

In her new book, 'The Bone and Sinew of the Land', historian Anna-Lisa Cox explores the mostly ignored story of the free black people who first moved West

www.smithsonianmag.com

When the newly formed United States government opened the territory up for purchase by citizens, ignoring indigenous populations’ right to the land, the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 also stipulated that the region would be free of slavery and that any man who owned at least 50 acres of land, regardless of skin color, could vote. By 1860, the federal census found more than 63,000 African-Americans living in the five states that were founded out of that territory; 73 percent of them lived in rural areas. Those people are the focus in The Bone and Sinew of the Land: America’s Forgotten Black Pioneers and the Struggle for Equality by Harvard historian Anna-Lisa Cox.

BS.

Blacks were not considered citizens when the Homestaed act was passed therefore they coud not get homesteads.

As for the so- called Northwest Ordinance

"The Northwest Ordinance prohibited slavery in the Northwest Territory except as a punishment for crimes. However, it also mandated the return of fugitive slaves who escaped into the Northwest Territory from other states where slavery was legal, a precursor to the Fugitive Slave Act."

Northwest Ordinance, Summary, Facts, Significance, 1787, APUSH

Northwest Ordinance of 1787 summary, facts significance, and AP US History (APUSH) review for the third Northwest Ordinance.

www.americanhistorycentral.com

And anything a black person did could be considered a crime. So don't start with that disingenuus mess again. Just face the truth of our history and stop trying to whitewash it.

It affirmed the “utmost good faith” towards the Indians, proclaimed that the Indians’ “lands and property shall never be taken from them without their consent,” and decreed that the “property, rights, and liberty” of Indians “shall never be invaded or disturbed, unless in just and lawful wars authorized by Congress.” These provisions were generally ignored or circumvented as white settlers began driving Native Americans off their lands as early as the 1790s.

Northwest Ordinance, Summary, Facts, Significance, 1787, APUSH

Northwest Ordinance of 1787 summary, facts significance, and AP US History (APUSH) review for the third Northwest Ordinance.

www.americanhistorycentral.com

And the Northwest at that time was Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan and Wisconsin.

"The South practiced slavery before the Civil War — but Northern states like Ohio and Indiana had Black laws, restrictive codes that criminalized and constrained the lives of free Black residents.'

'Until Justice Be Done' Examines Northern Free States' So-Called Black Laws

The South practiced slavery before the Civil War — but Northern states like Ohio and Indiana had Black laws, restrictive codes that criminalized and constrained the lives of free Black residents

www.gpb.org

Stop trying to white wash everything.

Because when the real Northwest was opened up with the Donation and Act, only whites could get land in what is now Wyoming, Idaho, Washington, Oregon, Nevada and Utah.

"The Donation Land Claim Act of 1850, sometimes known as the Donation Land Act, was a statute enacted by the United States Congress in late 1850, intended to promote homestead settlements in the Oregon Territory. It followed the Distribution-Preemption Act 1841. The law, a forerunner of the later Homestead Act, brought thousands of settlers into the new territory, swelling their ranks along the Oregon Trail. 7,437 land patents were issued under the law, which expired in late 1855. The Donation Land Claim Act allowed white men or partial Native Americans (mixed with white) who had arrived in Oregon before 1850 to work on a piece of land for four years and legally claim the land for themselves.

Along with other US land grant legislation, the Donation Land Claim Act discriminated against nonwhite settlers and had the effect of dispossessing land from Native Americans."

Donation Land Claim Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Again, stop trying to whitewash history.