The Big Lie

[Dragonlady]

The topic is the Big Lie. That lie is that there was no fraud. Why are so many people worried about what our mods think is a conspiracy theory?

The Big Lie is that there was fraud. The Big Lie is that Trump was re-elected. That the American people really wanted four more years of his incompetence, corruption, and chaos.

Only a fool believes that Trump won the election.

Trump was not incompetent. Trump was not corrupt. And the chaos is the media's making helped by race baiters and Communists.

Nothing is ever Trump's fault, Trump has been a failure as a businessman, and a failure as a President.

There is actually a great deal to fault Trump for. He made a lot of mistakes. No one is perfect and the same could be said of EVERY president, no less JOE BIDEN. But a failure? Pure BULLSHIT.

Trump had some businesses go belly up, but then, that can happen to anyone even if they do everything right, and when you open the DOZENS and DOZENS of businesses he has, you're are BOUND to have a few go under, especially with flagging economies!

But YOU ARE NEVER THAT HONEST, you level the business criticism at Trump though it has NOTHING to do with his presidency, and you'll never levy that criticism at Joe because HE HAS NO BUSINESS.

Joe Biden couldn't run a Starbucks Coffee or Dunkin' Donuts. While Trump got ALL of his money working for himself making it in private enterprise, Bidden has gotten EVERY FUCKING NICKEL he has in public office, taken out of the pockets of taxpayers.

And WHAT DOES JOE HAVE TO SHOW FOR THOSE 49 years?

NOTHING. To hear Joe talk, the nation is just chock FULL of problems and they all occurred under HIS watch.

Trump didn't just have "some of his businesses go belly up" - no American businessman has ever presided over 7 major corporate bankruptcies. His $1 billion in losses in the 1980's (covered by his father), is also a record for an American businessman.

Trump was just a "failed businessman", he was the most spectacular failure ever. And he bragged about personally pocketing millions off the bankruptcies. No American bank will lend to him. Trump isn't a rich successful billionaire, but he played one on TV.

A look at Trump's most failed businesses, according to his tax records

Trump's golf courses and other real estate investments showed millions of dollars in losses in tax records reported on by The New York Times.

www.businessinsider.com

Trump Fails At Everything. So Why Does He Always End Up On Top?

Somehow Trump has used each of his bombs to propel him another step up the ladder. He has done so by inverting what most of us have learned to accept about what it takes to achieve success.

www.forbes.com

Donald Trump's Biggest Business Failures and Successes

The many business lives of the GOP candidate

time.com

 

[Lastamender]

The topic is the Big Lie. That lie is that there was no fraud. Why are so many people worried about what our mods think is a conspiracy theory?

The Big Lie is that there was fraud. The Big Lie is that Trump was re-elected. That the American people really wanted four more years of his incompetence, corruption, and chaos.

Only a fool believes that Trump won the election.

Trump was not incompetent. Trump was not corrupt. And the chaos is the media's making helped by race baiters and Communists.

Nothing is ever Trump's fault, Trump has been a failure as a businessman, and a failure as a President.

There is actually a great deal to fault Trump for. He made a lot of mistakes. No one is perfect and the same could be said of EVERY president, no less JOE BIDEN. But a failure? Pure BULLSHIT.

Trump had some businesses go belly up, but then, that can happen to anyone even if they do everything right, and when you open the DOZENS and DOZENS of businesses he has, you're are BOUND to have a few go under, especially with flagging economies!

But YOU ARE NEVER THAT HONEST, you level the business criticism at Trump though it has NOTHING to do with his presidency, and you'll never levy that criticism at Joe because HE HAS NO BUSINESS.

Joe Biden couldn't run a Starbucks Coffee or Dunkin' Donuts. While Trump got ALL of his money working for himself making it in private enterprise, Bidden has gotten EVERY FUCKING NICKEL he has in public office, taken out of the pockets of taxpayers.

And WHAT DOES JOE HAVE TO SHOW FOR THOSE 49 years?

NOTHING. To hear Joe talk, the nation is just chock FULL of problems and they all occurred under HIS watch.

Trump didn't just have "some of his businesses go belly up" - no American businessman has ever presided over 7 major corporate bankruptcies. His $1 billion in losses in the 1980's (covered by his father), is also a record for an American businessman.

Trump was just a "failed businessman", he was the most spectacular failure ever. And he bragged about personally pocketing millions off the bankruptcies. No American bank will lend to him. Trump isn't a rich successful billionaire, but he played one on TV.

A look at Trump's most failed businesses, according to his tax records

Trump's golf courses and other real estate investments showed millions of dollars in losses in tax records reported on by The New York Times.

www.businessinsider.com

Trump Fails At Everything. So Why Does He Always End Up On Top?

Somehow Trump has used each of his bombs to propel him another step up the ladder. He has done so by inverting what most of us have learned to accept about what it takes to achieve success.

www.forbes.com

Donald Trump's Biggest Business Failures and Successes

The many business lives of the GOP candidate

time.com

Bankruptcy is legal. Next.

 

[dblack]

The topic is the Big Lie. That lie is that there was no fraud. Why are so many people worried about what our mods think is a conspiracy theory?

The Big Lie is that there was fraud. The Big Lie is that Trump was re-elected. That the American people really wanted four more years of his incompetence, corruption, and chaos.

Only a fool believes that Trump won the election.

Trump was not incompetent. Trump was not corrupt. And the chaos is the media's making helped by race baiters and Communists.

Nothing is ever Trump's fault, Trump has been a failure as a businessman, and a failure as a President.

There is actually a great deal to fault Trump for. He made a lot of mistakes. No one is perfect and the same could be said of EVERY president, no less JOE BIDEN. But a failure? Pure BULLSHIT.

Trump had some businesses go belly up, but then, that can happen to anyone even if they do everything right, and when you open the DOZENS and DOZENS of businesses he has, you're are BOUND to have a few go under, especially with flagging economies!

But YOU ARE NEVER THAT HONEST, you level the business criticism at Trump though it has NOTHING to do with his presidency, and you'll never levy that criticism at Joe because HE HAS NO BUSINESS.

Joe Biden couldn't run a Starbucks Coffee or Dunkin' Donuts. While Trump got ALL of his money working for himself making it in private enterprise, Bidden has gotten EVERY FUCKING NICKEL he has in public office, taken out of the pockets of taxpayers.

And WHAT DOES JOE HAVE TO SHOW FOR THOSE 49 years?

NOTHING. To hear Joe talk, the nation is just chock FULL of problems and they all occurred under HIS watch.

Trump didn't just have "some of his businesses go belly up" - no American businessman has ever presided over 7 major corporate bankruptcies. His $1 billion in losses in the 1980's (covered by his father), is also a record for an American businessman.

Trump was just a "failed businessman", he was the most spectacular failure ever. And he bragged about personally pocketing millions off the bankruptcies. No American bank will lend to him. Trump isn't a rich successful billionaire, but he played one on TV.

A look at Trump's most failed businesses, according to his tax records

Trump's golf courses and other real estate investments showed millions of dollars in losses in tax records reported on by The New York Times.

www.businessinsider.com

Trump Fails At Everything. So Why Does He Always End Up On Top?

Somehow Trump has used each of his bombs to propel him another step up the ladder. He has done so by inverting what most of us have learned to accept about what it takes to achieve success.

www.forbes.com

Donald Trump's Biggest Business Failures and Successes

The many business lives of the GOP candidate

time.com

Bankruptcy is legal. Next.

So is abortion. But if I met a woman who'd had 7 of them - I'd steer clear.

 

[toobfreak]

Trump was just a "failed businessman",

I know all about his businesses, good and bad, my uncle helped him build Trump Tower. Your links prove nothing, so he had some successes and failures, the important point is that he has had a lot of successes. It has nothing to do with his presidency, and you can't name me one other bloodsucker in DC that has had a single successful business!

Trump isn't a rich successful billionaire,

He's worth about 4.5 billion right now, NONE of it from taxpayer's pockets like any democrat you can name. Joe's collected about $6-7,000,000 in income off taxpayers!

but he played one on TV.

Joe Bidden plays president on TV as well.

 

[Correll]

Oh, well there you go then. It's up to you what a libertarian would do. Thanks for settling that, George. There'll be a little extra thank you pay in your Chinese disinformation paycheck. Shhh, the other Chinese disinformation officers will get jealous ...

Moron

It's not really necessary for you to sign your posts. The forum already knows who you are.

Another playground insult! It's the domain you live

Poor baby, do you ever stop crying?

Ever??

Your post does not contradict my point.



You lied about what he said. You lied about what he meant.

LOLOL

I quoted him, kazzer.

No shit, angry little boy. But you said what he was talking about, which wasn't the purpose of the march and wasn't part of his quote. You lied about what he was referring to.

My God you're stupid. No wonder you're constantly just maxing out at playground insults and posting like an eight year old

LOLOL

It was a racist rally, ya kazzer. Who among those racists are "very fine people?"

You see everything as racist, it's because you are one

LOL

I note you don't want to answer that question... who among the Unite the Right is a very fine person?

Your reluctance to answer reveals you're full of shit.

I directly answered that question. You are a liar, Trump never said that.

Why do you hate black people? So?

LOLOL

You're kazzing again.

I didn't ask you what Trump said. I asked you who among the Unite the Right was a very fine person?

I'm asking you again... this makes 4 times I'm asking. Your reluctance to answer reveals you're full of shit.

Were these very fine people...?

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Evasion. I asked you why you are a racist. Answer the question I asked

The answer to you're question is I'm not a racist.

5th time... who among the Unite the Right was a very fine person?

No, not according to you. That's the point. God you're stupid.

You said I didn't answer the question when I pointed out your question was a false question.

Therefore, you didn't answer the question when you said my question was a false question.

That was the POINT, my God you're stupid.

So answer the question. Why are you a racist?

Huh? How is my question false?

I've answered that a bunch of times. Trump was talking about the statues. There are good people on both sides. We even discussed that a bunch of times. How did you miss that?

Nope, you're just kazzing again. Kazzing is what you do whenever you're cornered. Again, Trump was talking about those who attended the rally in support of the statue. It was the Unite the Right rally who attended.

So who among them were very nice people?

Has a single person come forward and said “I was just there for the statues”?

I have heard that several people have commented that they went there because they heard it was a rally in favor of historical statues and were shocked by the buzzsaw they ran into, and not happy with the way shit went down.


Such as cops standing back while a riot occurred.

Commented where? Were they on broadcast news? You should be able to link to it then.

One person who posted something on it, has since changed his website and I can't seem to search it properly any more. I think they are more on Patreon now.

The others were more second hand comments.

 

[Correll]

IN THIS INSTANCE, you're completely full of shit. If it was as clear as you claim, Kelly, Spicer and Trump would not have spent 3 days trying to spin his comments into something completely different from what Trump actually said that day.

In the real world, his words were completely clear and since then the "spinning" has been your side lying and people calling you on it.

When President Trump WANTS to be clear, he is. There is no mistaking what he's said. When President Trump wants to "send messages" to people, he rambles, jumps around, evades and obfuscates. The guys he's sending "dog whistles" to get the message, loud and clear, and they understand.

And he was completely and explicitly clear in this case. Your talk of dog whistles is you making up shit to justify your lies. AND IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT YOU PEOPLE DID NOT REPORT THAT YOU THOUGHT HE WAS USING DOG WHISTLES YOU REPORTED THAT HE SAID SOMETHING, THAT HE DID NOT SAY.

Your "defense" is to a. claim he said it, and then b. to talk about what he really meant, while still refusing to admit that you lied.

YOu people are insane.

Just like the Proud Boys understood "Stand back and stand by" was not an order to "stand down", which is what Trump claimed he really meant.

That was vague, could be taken either way.

Richard Spencer, the leadership of the Proud Boys, the KKK and other far right militias listed "uniting the American white supremacist movement" as one of the goals of the rally,

Richard Spence is not part of the Proud BOys. Richard Spence's best work to date, as a leader in a fringe movement, has been to try to conflate his tiny, tiny movement with larger groups, to give his people an illusion of relevance.

Why are you supporting him? Is he your personal friend?

Charlottesville used the cover of "protecting Confederate monuments" to march past a synagogue during Friday night services, chanting "The Jews will not replace us". There were NEVER good people protecting the Confederate monuments, the entire event was a show of force by white supremacists, neo-NAZI's, and the KKK that they are in power now, and that non-white, non-Christians had better know who is in charge here.

Do you believe that everyone who supports the confederate statues is a bad person or a nazi?

Trump made a number of false statements about the rally - that the violence started because "one side" came armed with clubs and baseball bats and went after the other. That much was true, but he implied it was the "violent leftists", when in fact it was the Proud Boys who came dress in kevlar and helmets, armed with bats and clubs. They sent 30 leftist protestors to the hospital in Friday. On Saturday, one violent white supremacist drove his car into a crowd of protestors, killing one and send 16 to hospital. But Trump only talked about the "leftist violence", and one "deranged" person.

The Proud Boys were part of the Charlottesville Unite the Right Rally.

Thank you for admitting that the Left came in armed and started the violence.

Trump spoke at length about the violence from both sides, and specifically about how terrible the driver of the car was.


"Trump: "Well, I think the driver of the car is a disgrace to himself, his family, and this country. And that is -- you can call it terrorism. You can call it murder. You can call it whatever you want. I would just call it as the fastest one to come up with a good verdict. That’s what I’d call it. Because there is a question: Is it murder? Is it terrorism? And then you get into legal semantics. The driver of the car is a murderer. And what he did was a horrible, horrible, inexcusable thing."


"you had a group on one side that was bad, and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. And nobody wants to say that, but I’ll say it right now. You had a group -- you had a group on the other side that came charging in, without a permit, and they were very, very violent."


"You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch."


"Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."


"and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

"Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."



Jeez, seems pretty clear he is talking about both sides being bad, not like he is trying to spin it like you claimed.

Violent right wing terrorists are characterized by Republicans as "mentally ill" individuals, while violence from leftists if portrayed as radical leftist terrorism. Just as BLM protestors are "thugs" and the right wing terrorists are protesting lockdowns are called "patriots".

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Those words are really clear.

And so were Trump's. You people have no excuse for your lying.

 

[Correll]

One of the goals of the rally was to unite the White Supremacist movement. One need only read the names of the sponsors and organizers of the event to realize that event hosted by Richard Spencer, the Proud Boys, and the KKK Leadership, was not the Daughters of the Revolution picnic here.

Richard Spence wants to conflate anyone part of the "alt right" with his people to give them the illusion of relevance.


When you conflate much larger and more mainstream groups, like the Proud Boys with Spencer's fringe, you are helping him in his work.


Why are you allied with an admitted ws?

 

[Correll]

The democrats from yesterday are all dead. This is about their descendants and whether they have the right to celebrate their heritage.

During the 1960s a lot of DIXIECRATS became Republicans.

Does that mean that you think that Southerns today do or do NOT have the right to celebrate their heritage?

I AM a Southerner you nitwit.

That's nice. I hope you enjoy the weather.


Does that mean that you think that Southerns today do or do NOT have the right to celebrate their heritage?

Yes, Southerners have a right to celebrate their heritage. The question is really about government though. Should government put on government property things that reasonably offend a large part of its population? The statues were put there by Democrat racists for racist purposes. That is history, you can't deny it.

I'm totally with you and Trump in giving lengthy jail sentences to anyone who takes it on themselves to make that decision and tear down the statues. But it's a reasonable case for people to go to the legislature and ask for them to be displayed in museums where people chose to see what they are seeing

The concept of multiculturalism was that different cultures would live together in harmony respecting each other's culture as equal and working tolerate differences.

We were also promised that demographic changes would not lead to radical cultural transformation of our society or that it would problem for those Americans that were already here.

We now see that ALL of that was a lie. As these towns and communities change, the former majority is now being harassed and attacked for celebrating it's heritage.

Communities or institutions built by one group or collection of groups, are now being dominated by other groups and the intentions or interests of the now minorities are being dismissed and actively fought against.

The concept of multi-culturalism is that all people live together, in a cultural melting pot, pulling the best ideas from various cultures. The USA has long billed itself as the "melting pot of the world", which puts the lie to your notions of multi-culturalism. There is no "melting" unless everyone is in the same pot.

Nope. Multi-culturalism is NOT about "melting together" but retaining distinction. The MELTING POT was what we USED to do.

White Southerners wanted no part of a culture where uneducated former slaves were allowed to roam free, and set out to ensure no mixing of the races, and make good and sure that blacks didn't get too "uppity". Jim Crow laws codified all of those restrictions blacks.

That was true, way back in the post civil war south, and maybe up to the early 60s. Since then, those old school racists have been completely marginalized and the South has "melted" into the bi-partisan consensus on equality for blacks.

The Supreme Court ruled that "separate but equal" left non-whites with inferior facilities or none at all, and ordered all public spaces to be integrated. Southeners aren't celebrating their "culture" when they trot out their Confederate cultural symbols, they reminding black people that they are still living in the white man's world, and you'd best not forget it.

Nonsense. This is not 1921, but 2021. This country has had a bi-partisan consensus for equality for blacks since longer than most southerns have been alive.

So stop with your cultural lies. If you had built a better country, instead of the shithole country of the First World, you'd get more people from First World countries who want to emigrate to your shores, but for the rest of the white people are better off where we are and we have no intention of leaving.

The whole "separate but equal" line came from the Deep South to justify segregation, but it is not and has never been the basis for multi-culturalism in North America.

You are either very confused about American History or just lying.

 

[fncceo]

what school of journalism teaches biased propaganda for the introductory paragraph?

Pretty much all of them. Bias and propaganda are as natural to journalism as paper and ink (or their electronic equivalents).

There has never been an unbiased press in all of human history.

 

[surada]

Trump was just a "failed businessman",

I know all about his businesses, good and bad, my uncle helped him build Trump Tower. Your links prove nothing, so he had some successes and failures, the important point is that he has had a lot of successes. It has nothing to do with his presidency, and you can't name me one other bloodsucker in DC that has had a single successful business!

Trump isn't a rich successful billionaire,

He's worth about 4.5 billion right now, NONE of it from taxpayer's pockets like any democrat you can name. Joe's collected about $6-7,000,000 in income off taxpayers!

but he played one on TV.

Joe Bidden plays president on TV as well.

Trump current worth is 2 billion. He lies about that too.

 

[Correll]

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Does that mean that you think that Southerns today do or do NOT have the right to celebrate their heritage?

I AM a Southerner you nitwit.

That's nice. I hope you enjoy the weather.


Does that mean that you think that Southerns today do or do NOT have the right to celebrate their heritage?

Just like Germans shouldn't praise the Nazi's southerners shouldn't celebrate their traitor ancestors even if they were Democrats.

Don't forget the south lost. We should celebrate how we kicked their asses and we should rub it in their faces with statues of Grant and Lincoln in their cities. Would they object? Why?

You assholes want to tear down those statues too.

I agree with the proposal to put them in museums. They are works of art

What other group is not allowed to publicly celebrate their heritage?

Nazis.

So no other racial or ethnic or regional groups who's right to celebrate their heritage is subject to veto by others, other than whites?

Based on race? That makes it racism and you a racist and a supporter of racism.

Yeah, you nailed it. It's because they are white, not because they were traitors to their country (southerners) or responsible for mass genocide (Nazis). You are becoming the embodiment of Poe's law.

If you saw a black woman wearing a t-shirt that celebrates Egyptian culture, would you think,


"stupid theocracy supporting dumbass".?

 

[Correll]

I don't like what you do Using libertarian to justify Democrat party fascism and totalitarian government and alibiing their racism is pretty pathetic

I'm not really using the term "libertarian" any more. Not on this board. I still think the word has meaning - a radically different meaning than your conception - but words mean what people mean when they use them. And what you mean when you say "libertarian" has, apparently, utterly nothing to do with what I mean when I use the term.

So, to avoid confusion, let me state clearly that whatever it is you mean by "libertarian" - I'm not it. Clear? I want exactly nothing to do with your Trumpster statist idiocy.

What a bunch of useless hot air. And again you disagree with EVERY libertarian on the board and are saying they aren't libertarians and leftists love you. You slap each other on the butt, high five each other and grove all the time. Even Faun, who is one of the most hate filled leftists on the board. He walks up and is like you're great. Mac. The list goes on. They love the Democrat party, they love you.

So, what do I believe that you think isn't small government libertarian? Be specific.

LOL

Dayum, it really bothers you that I find some common ground with some libertarians.

Libertarian. That is singular.

And it's unclear how dblack is a libertarian, that's why I asked him.

You're not the only totalitarian leftist who likes him. And he doesn't get along either with a single libertarian on the board.

Let him answer the question, I really would like to know how it makes sense that someone formerly called a libertarian resonates only with totalitarians

You kaz, i.e., lie, again. You're no libertarian. No real libertarian would have voted for Trump.

Another leftist who says I'm not a libertarian ... who can't come up with any examples ...

Yawn

Libertarians are just disenfranchised Republicans with a slight twist. Meh.

Democrats are just Nazis who miss the 1930s

So let me get this straight. Trump employs all of Hitler's tactics. Nationalism. Racism. Trump even starts his own Beer Hall Putsch. And you have the balls to call us Nazi's?

Hitler went to jail after his failed coup. Let's see if Trump follows the same path.

But also keep in mind Hitler came into power after he was let out of prison. At least in this country you can't run for POTUS if you are a convicted felon. That's why Republicans refuse to impeach him in the Senate.

Huh? What prevents a convicted felon of running for president, other than a felony of rebelling against the government?

I thought if he was convicted or impeached in the Senate then he couldn't run again.

If he was convicted of Impeachment, he could not run again; but that wouldn't make him a felon. A felon has to be convicted in a court of law and such people can run. Technically, a felon in prison could legally run, though it would make campaigning a bitch.

No, a felon could not run. You have to be a registered voter to run for office. I believe only one state allows felons to register.

I hadn't considered that but I'm not sure that matters. For one, I don't know if felons lose their voters registration or if their names are simply taken off the voter roles. For another, I'm not sure a person has to be registered with a party to run for president. Especially given the only Constitutional requirements are at least 35 years of age, a natural born citizen, and not already served 2 terms.

That's it! It was my Republican buddy who's a felon who voted for Trump. This is why Republicans know voter fraud exists because they do it.

I think you might be underestimating the number of libertarians who are motivated by opposition to cultural or social norms.

Quite a lot of drug legalization types. Ann Coulter ran into some of that, when there was some discussion of having her run on a Libertarian ticket.

Yea that's a great example of how libertarians are just like Republicans only they are for legalizing pot. sorry that's not enough to make me like their mostly Republican/conservative policies.

Ann Coulter is a horrible person. Ever see her get roasted on Comedy Central? Funny shit. They tore her apart.

IF the Libertarians were just like republicans like you claim, they would have been happy with Ann. The plan feel apart.


That roast? That was your people revealing themselves to be animals. Yes. They did tear her apart. Wow. What an accomplishment. A bunch of people get together and insult the shit out of a woman who is massively outnumbered.


And you consider that something to be proud of?

Yes I am proud because everything horrible they said about her was true. She has balls to show up I'll give her that.

Literally, I think she has balls. Have you seen her adams apple?

Your hate has made you ...disgusting and irrational.

Trump is famous for revenge.. That's what he's doing now.. If he loses he destroys people, political parties etc.

Sorry, in a world where you people sold the "very fine people" lie, I have no reason to believe anything any of you say about Trump.

Trump said there are fine people on both sides. Are you an American?

Trump is a sell out..

Defendant, who prosecutors say stormed Capitol in a QAnon shirt, says he 'fell victim' to conspiracies and was fed 'a pack of lies' by Trump

Yes, there are very fine people who support and oppose Civil War statues. That was pretty reasonable

Yep. Though I disagree with those that oppose them, I do not think that they are all bad people.


And even if I did disagree, I would not lie about what Trump said, so that I could attack him based on that lie.

I object to anyone who removes Confederate Statues with violence like BLM and Antifa and their supporters. But I have no problem with people who do it the right way.

I get why reasonable people would be offended by the statues. The generals they honor were fighting on the side of slavery. Obviously private property is another thing. But I don't think government should display things that reasonably offend a large share of it's citizens.

The Statues were also all done specifically in support of Jim Crow and in your face racism.

The dirty secret is they were put up by Democrats and honor Democrats, just like Jim Crow, the KKK, lynching, cross burning and segregation. Democrats are racists

So it's funny today Republicans are the ones defending and arguing for those Democrats from yesterday

The democrats from yesterday are all dead. This is about their descendants and whether they have the right to celebrate their heritage.

During the 1960s a lot of DIXIECRATS became Republicans.

Does that mean that you think that Southerns today do or do NOT have the right to celebrate their heritage?

I AM a Southerner you nitwit.

That's nice. I hope you enjoy the weather.


Does that mean that you think that Southerns today do or do NOT have the right to celebrate their heritage?

Just like Germans shouldn't praise the Nazi's southerners shouldn't celebrate their traitor ancestors even if they were Democrats.

Don't forget the south lost. We should celebrate how we kicked their asses and we should rub it in their faces with statues of Grant and Lincoln in their cities. Would they object? Why?

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Nothing I have said indicates that ONLY southerns have a right to celebrate their heritage. Your questions make no sense.

Southerners and Germans don't get to celebrate sedition, treason and their relatives who tried to secede from the United States of America.

They are not patriots. No you should not be able to fly a confederate flag on your car. I know it's allowed but it shouldn't be. It's like wearing your KKK hood around town. Why don't you do that if you are so proud of this heritage?

You remind me of the confederate flag today. You're a white racist pretending not to be.

You would arrest people for having a confederate flag on their car?


Wow. Thanks for showing just where this kind of thinking leads to.


I mean, I knew, but making the case is hard, because it sounds so outrageous to Americans.


BUt, you just demonstrated it for me.

THanks.

Can you legally ride around in a car with the word N8**#r on it? I'm curious if that's legal or not.

I would bet money that there are bumper stickers that say such shit.

BUT, regardless, a confederate flag is not obscene.


You thinking of walking that back some?

No, but you'd think Americans would be revolted by seditionists who fought against the USA. And got their asses kicked, to boot.

I would not think that. The Americans that fought against them were not. Americans generally don't hold grudges. Especially over long periods of time.

When is the last time you were angry at a Canadian over kicking our asses in 1812?

The grudge is not against the ones who did the ass kicking -- it's against the seditionists who went to war with their own country.

Um, yeah, I got that. Nothing I said in any way suggested any confusion on this end.


My point stands. I would not expect Americans to still be holding a grudge over a war from over a 150 years ago. Indeed, that grudge was over and buried in pretty short order, certainly by the time of WWI, it was gone.

In the majority of my lifetime, the flying of the Confederate Flag was seen as a harmless symbol of regional pride. It is only fairly recently that drama queens decided to have a hissy fit about it, because they had run out of any real racism to whine about.

What about blacks? You think they don't still hold a grudge? They're Americans too, ya know.

Yes I do know that. My statement stands. Americans generally don't hold historical grudges.

 

[Correll]

ou said that the "means by which the rabid right" got it's information was not effected.

I agreed with the point, though I dropped your partisan spin.

I went on to make a point that my original concern was more about the more moderate voters.


That was not a "backhanded insult". That was my conceding your point. There was no insult at all.

"might have learned to ignore the propaganda spouted by people like you"

Then you besmirch and sow mistrust of my fellow Americans and try to instill faithlessness in our democratic elections with:

"they are not an informed electorate, but a MISINFORMED electorate."

"And the election is thus not legitimate."

I completely disagree.

DO you believe that President Trump said that ws were "very fine people"?

I don't have to believe what he said, we have recordings.

Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"

Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner........"

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

And thank you for proving my point that you people are the ones pushing propaganda and lies.


That you can stand by that lie, after it has been so repeatedly and completely debunked, shows that you are beyond saving.

That you people SUCCESSFULLY pushed that lie, and made it stick, is incredible.


That the American voters, as a group, were SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO THAT THE US PRESIDENT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS, MAKES THE ELECTORATE MISINFORMED AND THE ELECTION ILLEGETIMATE.

Crocodile tears. Both sides do it. Recall the "You didn't build that" campaign.

So, you admit it was a political lie. THank you.

Your lie though was massively successful. I can think of nothing more damaging in this day and age, as being smeared with the ws label.


And by that fact, you undermined the election.


FRAUD BY DECPETION.

Well that is was the Republican tactic, completely lie about the context of what was said, whereas the part of the Trumpyberra quote they emphasized was half true in that the Grumpster was trying to equivocate and satisfy both sides.

Romney gained ground back in 2012 after they used that attack ad campaign too. Furthermore the Trumpybear campaign embraced a very deceptive campaign against Sec. Clinton in 2016.

Sounds like you guys can dish it out alright, but when the tables are turned, you cry "Fraud"!

Irrelevant.

THe point stands. THe voters were misled on a massive scale.

AND, as per the op, also intimidated.

Thus, not a legitimate election.

Not in the slightest bit true. Trump is most definitely a white supremacist, and Charlottesville was the first time he dropped the mask after the election. ...
....

From the speech you people lied about then and are still lying now.

"And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists."

That is what he actually said about ws.


If the American people were told what Trump really said, instead of what you people believe he meant, it could very likely have changed the outcome of the election.

Yes, you also had neo-confederates and kkk and other assorted racists. So that's who was "very fine people."

If you people had attacked him, on the basis of your DISAGREEMENT with his opinion of who was at the rally, that would have been a legitimate disagreement, that we could debate ad nauseum.


BUT, instead you pretended that he AGREED with you, that only ws of various stripes were there, on the side of the statues, and then you clearly and purposefully LIED ABOUT WHAT HE SAID,

in order to support your belief that Trump was a ws.


That was a massive lie, that you held together as a group, and thus sold to the American voters.


By and large, the American voters believe(d) that Trump is/was sympathetic towards ws.


That BY itself would have a HUGE impact on the election, quite possibly changing it's outcome.


Thus, FRAUD BY DECEPTION.


AND, as per the op, it was not by itself.

It's what he said, loser. You're the one trying to read his mind by guessing he believed there were non-racists there; but he never said that's what he believes. That you saying g that's what he believes. It's too bad he didn't say that himself.

i quoted him repeatedly, and explicitly stating that he was not referring to the ws.


That bit where you keep tryhing to conflate ws with wacist? We all see what you are doing. Knock that bullshit off.


"Those people -- all of those people – excuse me, I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch."

Yes, he condemned many different groups but not all of them. He supports many hate groups, including the Proud Boys who he told to stand by; which they did for him until Insurrection Day.

You are being silly now. His meaning was clear. He was condemning the ws groups but sticking up for regular people who supported the historical statues.

And you people, instead of voicing your disagreement with his take on it,


LIED ABOUT WHAT HE SAID, AND CLAIMED HE WAS BEING SUPPORTIVE OF WS.



How many people do you think voted against Trump because they believed that he was a WS?


AND

"His meaning was clear."

Translation: you're trying to read his mind

Thanks for finally admitting that.

For 4 years Trump said horrible things and the next day every time Correll would come here and tell us what he meant was.....

His general style is to ramble and jump around and be unclear. It invites discussion on his meaning.


IN THIS INSTANCE, he was very careful and very clear. His response was almost perfect. We have complete tapes and transcripts of everything he said. There is no doubt about what he said, or what he meant.


IN THIS INSTANCE, you people are just lying.

Nope, you're the liar. It was a racist rally conceived, sponsored, promoted, ran, and attended by racists. Trump never once indicated he believed otherwise or thought there were non-racists among that crowd.

Trump explicitly and clearly stated that he believed that there were OTHER people there, who should up for OTHER reasons.

"excuse me, I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee." "


You people managed to sell the BIG LIE to the American People, the moderates and the non-politicals at least, that the President was a ws.


That was huge. That could likely have flipped the election right there. That was FRAUD BY DECPTION.

That's right, not all those people were neo-Nazis. Some were neo-Confederates. Some were Kkk. Some were white nationalists. Some were white supremacists. He did condemn some. He didn't condemn them all. And there was no one else there among the Unite the Right crowd. It was a racist rally and stupid of him to say there were "very fine people" on their side.

Now you are being purposefully stupid. He specifically mentioned neo-nazis and ws. His meaning was clear. He was lumping those types together and referring to them as a general grouping,


as distinct from normal, mainstream Americans who are not members of the fringe, but did show up to support historical statues.

And that you believe that there was "no one else there" is irrelevant. It is clear that Trump believed otherwise.

 

[Correll]

Oh, well there you go then. It's up to you what a libertarian would do. Thanks for settling that, George. There'll be a little extra thank you pay in your Chinese disinformation paycheck. Shhh, the other Chinese disinformation officers will get jealous ...

Moron

It's not really necessary for you to sign your posts. The forum already knows who you are.

Another playground insult! It's the domain you live

Poor baby, do you ever stop crying?

Ever??

Your post does not contradict my point.



You lied about what he said. You lied about what he meant.

LOLOL

I quoted him, kazzer.

No shit, angry little boy. But you said what he was talking about, which wasn't the purpose of the march and wasn't part of his quote. You lied about what he was referring to.

My God you're stupid. No wonder you're constantly just maxing out at playground insults and posting like an eight year old

LOLOL

It was a racist rally, ya kazzer. Who among those racists are "very fine people?"

You see everything as racist, it's because you are one

LOL

I note you don't want to answer that question... who among the Unite the Right is a very fine person?

Your reluctance to answer reveals you're full of shit.

I directly answered that question. You are a liar, Trump never said that.

Why do you hate black people? So?

LOLOL

You're kazzing again.

I didn't ask you what Trump said. I asked you who among the Unite the Right was a very fine person?

I'm asking you again... this makes 4 times I'm asking. Your reluctance to answer reveals you're full of shit.

Were these very fine people...?

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Evasion. I asked you why you are a racist. Answer the question I asked

The answer to you're question is I'm not a racist.

5th time... who among the Unite the Right was a very fine person?

I find that hard to believe. Don't you support many racist policies?

No.

You don't support discriminating if favor of traditionally disadvantaged minorities to make up for past injustices?

No, I don't. I believe it was necessary back in the day but I believe it's no longer necessary.

Wow. I am shocked. Truly shocked.

Does it not bother you that such discrimination is still the law of the land, and with the way demographics are going, is likely to become both more blatant and more entrenched?

 

[Correll]

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Does that mean that you think that Southerns today do or do NOT have the right to celebrate their heritage?

I AM a Southerner you nitwit.

That's nice. I hope you enjoy the weather.


Does that mean that you think that Southerns today do or do NOT have the right to celebrate their heritage?

Just like Germans shouldn't praise the Nazi's southerners shouldn't celebrate their traitor ancestors even if they were Democrats.

Don't forget the south lost. We should celebrate how we kicked their asses and we should rub it in their faces with statues of Grant and Lincoln in their cities. Would they object? Why?

You assholes want to tear down those statues too.

I agree with the proposal to put them in museums. They are works of art

What other group is not allowed to publicly celebrate their heritage?

Nazis.

So no other racial or ethnic or regional groups who's right to celebrate their heritage is subject to veto by others, other than whites?

Based on race? That makes it racism and you a racist and a supporter of racism.

Nazi isn't a race, ya moron.

Correct. Seawytch was dumb to post that as an answer.

 

[Seawytch]

Oh, well there you go then. It's up to you what a libertarian would do. Thanks for settling that, George. There'll be a little extra thank you pay in your Chinese disinformation paycheck. Shhh, the other Chinese disinformation officers will get jealous ...

Moron

It's not really necessary for you to sign your posts. The forum already knows who you are.

Another playground insult! It's the domain you live

Poor baby, do you ever stop crying?

Ever??

Your post does not contradict my point.



You lied about what he said. You lied about what he meant.

LOLOL

I quoted him, kazzer.

No shit, angry little boy. But you said what he was talking about, which wasn't the purpose of the march and wasn't part of his quote. You lied about what he was referring to.

My God you're stupid. No wonder you're constantly just maxing out at playground insults and posting like an eight year old

LOLOL

It was a racist rally, ya kazzer. Who among those racists are "very fine people?"

You see everything as racist, it's because you are one

LOL

I note you don't want to answer that question... who among the Unite the Right is a very fine person?

Your reluctance to answer reveals you're full of shit.

I directly answered that question. You are a liar, Trump never said that.

Why do you hate black people? So?

LOLOL

You're kazzing again.

I didn't ask you what Trump said. I asked you who among the Unite the Right was a very fine person?

I'm asking you again... this makes 4 times I'm asking. Your reluctance to answer reveals you're full of shit.

Were these very fine people...?

View attachment 499166​

Evasion. I asked you why you are a racist. Answer the question I asked

The answer to you're question is I'm not a racist.

5th time... who among the Unite the Right was a very fine person?

No, not according to you. That's the point. God you're stupid.

You said I didn't answer the question when I pointed out your question was a false question.

Therefore, you didn't answer the question when you said my question was a false question.

That was the POINT, my God you're stupid.

So answer the question. Why are you a racist?

Huh? How is my question false?

I've answered that a bunch of times. Trump was talking about the statues. There are good people on both sides. We even discussed that a bunch of times. How did you miss that?

Nope, you're just kazzing again. Kazzing is what you do whenever you're cornered. Again, Trump was talking about those who attended the rally in support of the statue. It was the Unite the Right rally who attended.

So who among them were very nice people?

Has a single person come forward and said “I was just there for the statues”?

I have heard that several people have commented that they went there because they heard it was a rally in favor of historical statues and were shocked by the buzzsaw they ran into, and not happy with the way shit went down.


Such as cops standing back while a riot occurred.

Commented where? Were they on broadcast news? You should be able to link to it then.

One person who posted something on it, has since changed his website and I can't seem to search it properly any more. I think they are more on Patreon now.

The others were more second hand comments.

So you've got nothing as usual. That's because there were no very fine people on the "Jews shall not replace us" side.

 

[Seawytch]

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Does that mean that you think that Southerns today do or do NOT have the right to celebrate their heritage?

I AM a Southerner you nitwit.

That's nice. I hope you enjoy the weather.


Does that mean that you think that Southerns today do or do NOT have the right to celebrate their heritage?

Just like Germans shouldn't praise the Nazi's southerners shouldn't celebrate their traitor ancestors even if they were Democrats.

Don't forget the south lost. We should celebrate how we kicked their asses and we should rub it in their faces with statues of Grant and Lincoln in their cities. Would they object? Why?

You assholes want to tear down those statues too.

I agree with the proposal to put them in museums. They are works of art

What other group is not allowed to publicly celebrate their heritage?

Nazis.

So no other racial or ethnic or regional groups who's right to celebrate their heritage is subject to veto by others, other than whites?

Based on race? That makes it racism and you a racist and a supporter of racism.

Yeah, you nailed it. It's because they are white, not because they were traitors to their country (southerners) or responsible for mass genocide (Nazis). You are becoming the embodiment of Poe's law.

If you saw a black woman wearing a t-shirt that celebrates Egyptian culture, would you think,


"stupid theocracy supporting dumbass".?

Piss poor deflection. Boo hoo, Nazis and traitors can't "celebrate their heritage". Cry me a river.

 

[Seawytch]

0

Does that mean that you think that Southerns today do or do NOT have the right to celebrate their heritage?

I AM a Southerner you nitwit.

That's nice. I hope you enjoy the weather.


Does that mean that you think that Southerns today do or do NOT have the right to celebrate their heritage?

Just like Germans shouldn't praise the Nazi's southerners shouldn't celebrate their traitor ancestors even if they were Democrats.

Don't forget the south lost. We should celebrate how we kicked their asses and we should rub it in their faces with statues of Grant and Lincoln in their cities. Would they object? Why?

You assholes want to tear down those statues too.

I agree with the proposal to put them in museums. They are works of art

What other group is not allowed to publicly celebrate their heritage?

Nazis.

So no other racial or ethnic or regional groups who's right to celebrate their heritage is subject to veto by others, other than whites?

Based on race? That makes it racism and you a racist and a supporter of racism.

Nazi isn't a race, ya moron.

Correct. Seawytch was dumb to post that as an answer.

I didn't call them a race, you did.

CORRELL: What other group is not allowed to publicly celebrate their heritage?

SEAWYTCH: Nazis

That's it. That's all I said. You went off on the "It's because they are white" stupidity.

 

[Correll]

Oh, well there you go then. It's up to you what a libertarian would do. Thanks for settling that, George. There'll be a little extra thank you pay in your Chinese disinformation paycheck. Shhh, the other Chinese disinformation officers will get jealous ...

Moron

It's not really necessary for you to sign your posts. The forum already knows who you are.

Another playground insult! It's the domain you live

Poor baby, do you ever stop crying?

Ever??

Your post does not contradict my point.



You lied about what he said. You lied about what he meant.

LOLOL

I quoted him, kazzer.

No shit, angry little boy. But you said what he was talking about, which wasn't the purpose of the march and wasn't part of his quote. You lied about what he was referring to.

My God you're stupid. No wonder you're constantly just maxing out at playground insults and posting like an eight year old

LOLOL

It was a racist rally, ya kazzer. Who among those racists are "very fine people?"

You see everything as racist, it's because you are one

LOL

I note you don't want to answer that question... who among the Unite the Right is a very fine person?

Your reluctance to answer reveals you're full of shit.

I directly answered that question. You are a liar, Trump never said that.

Why do you hate black people? So?

LOLOL

You're kazzing again.

I didn't ask you what Trump said. I asked you who among the Unite the Right was a very fine person?

I'm asking you again... this makes 4 times I'm asking. Your reluctance to answer reveals you're full of shit.

Were these very fine people...?

View attachment 499166​

Evasion. I asked you why you are a racist. Answer the question I asked

The answer to you're question is I'm not a racist.

5th time... who among the Unite the Right was a very fine person?

No, not according to you. That's the point. God you're stupid.

You said I didn't answer the question when I pointed out your question was a false question.

Therefore, you didn't answer the question when you said my question was a false question.

That was the POINT, my God you're stupid.

So answer the question. Why are you a racist?

Huh? How is my question false?

I've answered that a bunch of times. Trump was talking about the statues. There are good people on both sides. We even discussed that a bunch of times. How did you miss that?

Nope, you're just kazzing again. Kazzing is what you do whenever you're cornered. Again, Trump was talking about those who attended the rally in support of the statue. It was the Unite the Right rally who attended.

So who among them were very nice people?

Has a single person come forward and said “I was just there for the statues”?

I have heard that several people have commented that they went there because they heard it was a rally in favor of historical statues and were shocked by the buzzsaw they ran into, and not happy with the way shit went down.


Such as cops standing back while a riot occurred.

Commented where? Were they on broadcast news? You should be able to link to it then.

One person who posted something on it, has since changed his website and I can't seem to search it properly any more. I think they are more on Patreon now.

The others were more second hand comments.

So you've got nothing as usual. That's because there were no very fine people on the "Jews shall not replace us" side.

If you were serious, you wouldn't spin it.

Also, you realize it doesn't matter.

 

[Seawytch]

Oh, well there you go then. It's up to you what a libertarian would do. Thanks for settling that, George. There'll be a little extra thank you pay in your Chinese disinformation paycheck. Shhh, the other Chinese disinformation officers will get jealous ...

Moron

It's not really necessary for you to sign your posts. The forum already knows who you are.

Another playground insult! It's the domain you live

Poor baby, do you ever stop crying?

Ever??

Your post does not contradict my point.



You lied about what he said. You lied about what he meant.

LOLOL

I quoted him, kazzer.

No shit, angry little boy. But you said what he was talking about, which wasn't the purpose of the march and wasn't part of his quote. You lied about what he was referring to.

My God you're stupid. No wonder you're constantly just maxing out at playground insults and posting like an eight year old

LOLOL

It was a racist rally, ya kazzer. Who among those racists are "very fine people?"

You see everything as racist, it's because you are one

LOL

I note you don't want to answer that question... who among the Unite the Right is a very fine person?

Your reluctance to answer reveals you're full of shit.

I directly answered that question. You are a liar, Trump never said that.

Why do you hate black people? So?

LOLOL

You're kazzing again.

I didn't ask you what Trump said. I asked you who among the Unite the Right was a very fine person?

I'm asking you again... this makes 4 times I'm asking. Your reluctance to answer reveals you're full of shit.

Were these very fine people...?

View attachment 499166​

Evasion. I asked you why you are a racist. Answer the question I asked

The answer to you're question is I'm not a racist.

5th time... who among the Unite the Right was a very fine person?

No, not according to you. That's the point. God you're stupid.

You said I didn't answer the question when I pointed out your question was a false question.

Therefore, you didn't answer the question when you said my question was a false question.

That was the POINT, my God you're stupid.

So answer the question. Why are you a racist?

Huh? How is my question false?

I've answered that a bunch of times. Trump was talking about the statues. There are good people on both sides. We even discussed that a bunch of times. How did you miss that?

Nope, you're just kazzing again. Kazzing is what you do whenever you're cornered. Again, Trump was talking about those who attended the rally in support of the statue. It was the Unite the Right rally who attended.

So who among them were very nice people?

Has a single person come forward and said “I was just there for the statues”?

I have heard that several people have commented that they went there because they heard it was a rally in favor of historical statues and were shocked by the buzzsaw they ran into, and not happy with the way shit went down.


Such as cops standing back while a riot occurred.

Commented where? Were they on broadcast news? You should be able to link to it then.

One person who posted something on it, has since changed his website and I can't seem to search it properly any more. I think they are more on Patreon now.

The others were more second hand comments.

So you've got nothing as usual. That's because there were no very fine people on the "Jews shall not replace us" side.

If you were serious, you wouldn't spin it.

Also, you realize it doesn't matter.

The only spinning is coming from you. We all know there were not fine people on both sides. There was only one "very fine people" side, the side opposing the racist, tiki torch bearing jew haters.