The blueprint for prosperity

[danielpalos]

An employer that fires somebody without reason should not be able to hire another without a stiff monetary penalty. At will is a rotten and bad policy.

What about an employee who quits without reason? Should they receive compensation?

Yes, in an at-will employment State under our form of Capitalism where capital must circulate for the good of the economy.

 

[WinterBorn]

Yes, you can quit a job at any time. And you can be fired at any time. In both cases you lose the benefits of the working relationship. You no longer get paid and the employer no longer gets the benefit of your labor. There is no inequality.

You miss the point. It is about State public policies. Show me any work requirement in any State Constitution or the labor code in any at-will employment State for UC.

No need. You have yet to show the law benefits the employers while not benefiting the employees.

It does benefit employers while putting a down pressure on wages for Labor as the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism.

“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”

― Anatole France

How does it benefit employers?

Being able to hire and fire on an at-will basis benefits employers. Why no State policy that says employers can't fire anyone without suffering a tax loss if they don't have a good reason? That could include corporate downsizing since that happens on a for-profit basis.

And employees are free to quit at any time. That is equality.

Equality is equal protection of the law for UC. That is equality.

Yes it is. And you are protected by the same law that protects the employers. You cannot be forced to work, and they cannot be forced to pay you if you quit.

I am advocating removing that burden from employers. Unemployment is an externality to firms. It is a State responsibility.

And if the state is to be responsible, it will also be responsible for making sure all tax money spent goes only to those with a need.

We have a general welfare clause. Solving simple poverty via existing legal and physical infrastructure promotes the general welfare not the general badfare, as the Right Wing would prefer.

Promoting the general welfare does not include giving tax dollars to people who do not need them. So demonstrating a need to income from the state is a logical step.

 

[danielpalos]

Promoting the general welfare does not include giving tax dollars to people who do not need them.

Who doesn't need Capital under our form of Capitalism There is no Requirement to work in an at-will employment State especially since that is against Capitalism. Capitalism is about voluntary association that leads to mutually beneficial trade.

 

[WinterBorn]

Promoting the general welfare does not include giving tax dollars to people who do not need them.

Who doesn't need Capital under our form of Capitalism There is no Requirement to work in an at-will employment State especially since that is against Capitalism. Capitalism is about voluntary association that leads to mutually beneficial trade.

Everyone needs capital. But those who already have what they need to survive should not get tax dollars given to them.

And before you say it, the capital will circulate if the taxes are left with those who earned the money.

 

[danielpalos]

Promoting the general welfare does not include giving tax dollars to people who do not need them.

Who doesn't need Capital under our form of Capitalism There is no Requirement to work in an at-will employment State especially since that is against Capitalism. Capitalism is about voluntary association that leads to mutually beneficial trade.

Everyone needs capital. But those who already have what they need to survive should not get tax dollars given to them.

And before you say it, the capital will circulate if the taxes are left with those who earned the money.

Corporate welfare is alive and well and has even paid multimillion dollar bonuses.

From 1978 to 2018, CEO compensation grew by 1,007.5% (940.3% under the options-realized measure), far outstripping S&P stock market growth (706.7%) and the wage growth of very high earners (339.2%). In contrast, wages for the typical worker grew by just 11.9%.--https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-compensation-2018/

Equality is all the socialism we need for our market economy.

“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”

― Anatole France

 

[WinterBorn]

Promoting the general welfare does not include giving tax dollars to people who do not need them.

Who doesn't need Capital under our form of Capitalism There is no Requirement to work in an at-will employment State especially since that is against Capitalism. Capitalism is about voluntary association that leads to mutually beneficial trade.

Everyone needs capital. But those who already have what they need to survive should not get tax dollars given to them.

And before you say it, the capital will circulate if the taxes are left with those who earned the money.

Corporate welfare is alive and well and has even paid multimillion dollar bonuses.

From 1978 to 2018, CEO compensation grew by 1,007.5% (940.3% under the options-realized measure), far outstripping S&P stock market growth (706.7%) and the wage growth of very high earners (339.2%). In contrast, wages for the typical worker grew by just 11.9%.--https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-compensation-2018/

Equality is all the socialism we need for our market economy.

“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”

― Anatole France

Nice post. Too bad it has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

 

[danielpalos]

Promoting the general welfare does not include giving tax dollars to people who do not need them.

Who doesn't need Capital under our form of Capitalism There is no Requirement to work in an at-will employment State especially since that is against Capitalism. Capitalism is about voluntary association that leads to mutually beneficial trade.

Everyone needs capital. But those who already have what they need to survive should not get tax dollars given to them.

And before you say it, the capital will circulate if the taxes are left with those who earned the money.

Corporate welfare is alive and well and has even paid multimillion dollar bonuses.

From 1978 to 2018, CEO compensation grew by 1,007.5% (940.3% under the options-realized measure), far outstripping S&P stock market growth (706.7%) and the wage growth of very high earners (339.2%). In contrast, wages for the typical worker grew by just 11.9%.--https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-compensation-2018/

Equality is all the socialism we need for our market economy.

“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”

― Anatole France

Nice post. Too bad it has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

The whole point about equality means nothing to you?

Our Constitution expressly declares that it is the general welfare that must be provided for not the general malfare.

 

[initforme]

I walked off 3 jobs in my life...never gave notice just didn't show up anymore.....best 3 days of my life. Exhilarating. I always found a better one. A loyal employee is always looking for better pay and let's the boss know they are looking.

 

[WinterBorn]

Promoting the general welfare does not include giving tax dollars to people who do not need them.

Who doesn't need Capital under our form of Capitalism There is no Requirement to work in an at-will employment State especially since that is against Capitalism. Capitalism is about voluntary association that leads to mutually beneficial trade.

Everyone needs capital. But those who already have what they need to survive should not get tax dollars given to them.

And before you say it, the capital will circulate if the taxes are left with those who earned the money.

Corporate welfare is alive and well and has even paid multimillion dollar bonuses.

From 1978 to 2018, CEO compensation grew by 1,007.5% (940.3% under the options-realized measure), far outstripping S&P stock market growth (706.7%) and the wage growth of very high earners (339.2%). In contrast, wages for the typical worker grew by just 11.9%.--https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-compensation-2018/

Equality is all the socialism we need for our market economy.

“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”

― Anatole France

Nice post. Too bad it has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

The whole point about equality means nothing to you?

Our Constitution expressly declares that it is the general welfare that must be provided for not the general malfare.

I have not disputed general welfare. I am disputing that general welfare means taking tax dollars from those who earned them and giving them to those who want them, but have the means to survive without assistance.

 

[WinterBorn]

I walked off 3 jobs in my life...never gave notice just didn't show up anymore.....best 3 days of my life. Exhilarating. I always found a better one. A loyal employee is always looking for better pay and let's the boss know they are looking.

Exactly! But an employee who walks off a job and doesn't even look for another job does not deserve compensation.

And a person who has the means to survive without assistance should not receive tax dollars.

 

[danielpalos]

Promoting the general welfare does not include giving tax dollars to people who do not need them.

Who doesn't need Capital under our form of Capitalism There is no Requirement to work in an at-will employment State especially since that is against Capitalism. Capitalism is about voluntary association that leads to mutually beneficial trade.

Everyone needs capital. But those who already have what they need to survive should not get tax dollars given to them.

And before you say it, the capital will circulate if the taxes are left with those who earned the money.

Corporate welfare is alive and well and has even paid multimillion dollar bonuses.

From 1978 to 2018, CEO compensation grew by 1,007.5% (940.3% under the options-realized measure), far outstripping S&P stock market growth (706.7%) and the wage growth of very high earners (339.2%). In contrast, wages for the typical worker grew by just 11.9%.--https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-compensation-2018/

Equality is all the socialism we need for our market economy.

“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”

― Anatole France

Nice post. Too bad it has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

The whole point about equality means nothing to you?

Our Constitution expressly declares that it is the general welfare that must be provided for not the general malfare.

I have not disputed general welfare. I am disputing that general welfare means taking tax dollars from those who earned them and giving them to those who want them, but have the means to survive without assistance.

Did you already forget about corporate welfare that has paid out multimillion dollar bonuses? Only right wingers allege what you do. Even the Republicans "reworked" their position on that issue since Hoover proved them wrong.

 

[danielpalos]

But an employee who walks off a job and doesn't even look for another job does not deserve compensation.

Not from that employer but from the State. Employment is at the will of either party. We just need better management of this issue.

 

[WinterBorn]

Promoting the general welfare does not include giving tax dollars to people who do not need them.

Who doesn't need Capital under our form of Capitalism There is no Requirement to work in an at-will employment State especially since that is against Capitalism. Capitalism is about voluntary association that leads to mutually beneficial trade.

Everyone needs capital. But those who already have what they need to survive should not get tax dollars given to them.

And before you say it, the capital will circulate if the taxes are left with those who earned the money.

Corporate welfare is alive and well and has even paid multimillion dollar bonuses.

From 1978 to 2018, CEO compensation grew by 1,007.5% (940.3% under the options-realized measure), far outstripping S&P stock market growth (706.7%) and the wage growth of very high earners (339.2%). In contrast, wages for the typical worker grew by just 11.9%.--https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-compensation-2018/

Equality is all the socialism we need for our market economy.

“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”

― Anatole France

Nice post. Too bad it has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

The whole point about equality means nothing to you?

Our Constitution expressly declares that it is the general welfare that must be provided for not the general malfare.

I have not disputed general welfare. I am disputing that general welfare means taking tax dollars from those who earned them and giving them to those who want them, but have the means to survive without assistance.

Did you already forget about corporate welfare that has paid out multimillion dollar bonuses? Only right wingers allege what you do. Even the Republicans "reworked" their position on that issue since Hoover proved them wrong.

I am all for cutting corporate welfare.

But, I will ask you again, if a mean test disqualifies you from welfare, why should you receive an income from other people's taxes. The means test shows you can live without assistance.

 

[WinterBorn]

But an employee who walks off a job and doesn't even look for another job does not deserve compensation.

Not from that employer but from the State. Employment is at the will of either party. We just need better management of this issue.

The fact that you walked off a job, and refuse to look for another, should disqualify you from receiving any tax dollars.

 

[otto105]

Did the free market solve the following problems; old age poverty

Uh...yeah. It raised the standard of living infinitely for everyone from newborns to the elderly.

Adam Smith capitalism didn't solve the problem of elderly poverty. Social Security did.

 

[otto105]

But an employee who walks off a job and doesn't even look for another job does not deserve compensation.

Not from that employer but from the State. Employment is at the will of either party. We just need better management of this issue.

The fact that you walked off a job, and refuse to look for another, should disqualify you from receiving any tax dollars.

Strawman bullshit argument.

 

[initforme]

If one can't leave one job and immediately find another with the same pay them the system is not working according to true capitalism. In these times stimulus checks should go out to every citizen making less than 80 grand whether they are employed at this time or not.

 

[WinterBorn]

If one can't leave one job and immediately find another with the same pay them the system is not working according to true capitalism. In these times stimulus checks should go out to every citizen making less than 80 grand whether they are employed at this time or not.

And if they walk off a job and make no attempt to find another?

 

[danielpalos]

Promoting the general welfare does not include giving tax dollars to people who do not need them.

Who doesn't need Capital under our form of Capitalism There is no Requirement to work in an at-will employment State especially since that is against Capitalism. Capitalism is about voluntary association that leads to mutually beneficial trade.

Everyone needs capital. But those who already have what they need to survive should not get tax dollars given to them.

And before you say it, the capital will circulate if the taxes are left with those who earned the money.

Corporate welfare is alive and well and has even paid multimillion dollar bonuses.

From 1978 to 2018, CEO compensation grew by 1,007.5% (940.3% under the options-realized measure), far outstripping S&P stock market growth (706.7%) and the wage growth of very high earners (339.2%). In contrast, wages for the typical worker grew by just 11.9%.--https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-compensation-2018/

Equality is all the socialism we need for our market economy.

“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”

― Anatole France

Nice post. Too bad it has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

The whole point about equality means nothing to you?

Our Constitution expressly declares that it is the general welfare that must be provided for not the general malfare.

I have not disputed general welfare. I am disputing that general welfare means taking tax dollars from those who earned them and giving them to those who want them, but have the means to survive without assistance.

Did you already forget about corporate welfare that has paid out multimillion dollar bonuses? Only right wingers allege what you do. Even the Republicans "reworked" their position on that issue since Hoover proved them wrong.

I am all for cutting corporate welfare.

But, I will ask you again, if a mean test disqualifies you from welfare, why should you receive an income from other people's taxes. The means test shows you can live without assistance.

You confuse UC with means tested welfare. Both promoting and providing for the general welfare is in our Constitution. Since our welfare clause is General not common or limited, it means we are free to come up with any solution that promotes the general welfare but not the general malfare.

 

[danielpalos]

But an employee who walks off a job and doesn't even look for another job does not deserve compensation.

Not from that employer but from the State. Employment is at the will of either party. We just need better management of this issue.

The fact that you walked off a job, and refuse to look for another, should disqualify you from receiving any tax dollars.

For being faithful to our at-will employment laws in an at-will employment State? You don't believe in morality?