The China Virus is NOT a Bio-weapon

How did someone writing something somewhere that you don't even know change your mind about anything?
I recognized this name ...Andrew Rambaut.....so it's not totally unknown....and while I will admit that there is still some possibility that it was a weaponized virus I found the reasoning in the article to be very compelling....
Not to slam on you, justoffal, but that is the Bernays Celebrity Endorsement advertising technique. You dont really know this guy at all, but since you recognise his name you feel like you do, as if he and you were members of the same little town. That is one way mass media manipulates us.

But the reasoning is all an appeal to authority when this is not a topic that has unanimous agreement among experts. There are experts who disagree too.

The reasoning is thin I think. The core of the article is:

They suggested that it cannot be an artificial creation because its structure "differed substantially from those of already known coronaviruses and mostly resembled related viruses found in bats and pangolins".

The researchers suggested that anyone looking to create a new coronavirus and use it as a bioweapon would probably have built it using the backbone of a virus that has already killed humans.

"Its distinct backbone rules out laboratory manipulation as a potential origin for SARS-CoV-2,” Andersen added.

However, we still do not know exactly how the coronavirus came into being. "​

"Would probably" kind of shoots absolute certitude into the dirt if not making it completely irrelevant.

And which of the two strains of the disease is he talking about? Not explained, why?

Look at how viruses change when their RNA/DNA goes through 'reassortment' or 'antigenic shift':
Evolution of viruses (article) | Viruses | Khan Academy

Influenza ("flu") viruses are masters of reassortment. They have eight RNA segments, each carrying one or a few genes.4^{4}4start superscript, 4, end superscript

When two influenza viruses infect the same cell at the same time, some of the new viruses made inside of the cell may have a mix of segments (e.g., segments 1-4 from strain A and segments 5-8 from strain B).

Pigs in particular are well-known "mixing vessels" for influenza viruses.5^{5}5start superscript, 5, end superscript Pig cells can be recognized, and thus infected, by both human and bird influenza viruses (as well as pig viruses). If a cell in the pig is infected with two types of virus at the same time, it may release new viruses that contain a mixture of genetic material from the human and bird viruses.​

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The Receptor layer changes along with the core RNA, but not with COVID19. It has the same Receptor layer as a variant of SARS, hence why its full name is SARS-CoV-2.

And here are some articles that talk about the similarities:
Studies highlight nCoV similarity with SARS, family transmission

COVID-19 (Novel Coronavirus 2019) – recent trends

Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Receptors Show Similarities to SARS-CoV, According to New Analysis
Decade-long structural studies by Fang Li of the University of Minnesota, et al. have shown how the SARS virus (SARS-CoV) interacts with animal and human hosts in order to infect them. The mechanics of infection by the Wuhan coronavirus appear to be similar. These investigators used the knowledge they gleaned from multiple SARS-CoV strains—isolated from different hosts in different years—and angiotensin-converting enzyme-2 (ACE2) receptors from different animal species to model predictions for the novel Wuhan coronavirus. (Both viruses use ACE2 to gain entry into the cell, but it serves normally as a regulator for heart function.)

“Our structural analyses confidently predict that the Wuhan coronavirus uses ACE2 as its host receptor,” the investigators wrote. That and several other structural details of the new virus are consistent with the ability of the Wuhan coronavirus to infect humans and with some capability to transmit among humans.

“Alarmingly, our data predict that a single mutation [at a specific spot in the genome] could significantly enhance [the Wuhan coronavirus’s] ability to bind with human ACE2,” the investigators write. For this reason, Wuhan coronavirus evolution in patients should be closely monitored for the emergence of novel mutations at the 501 position in its genome, and to a lesser extent, the 494 position, in order to predict the possibility of a more serious outbreak than has been seen so far.​


Obviously I am not an expert, but there are experts who disagree with the Brit above and it amazes me that having a recognizable name has such impact on how people think.

Excellent post....
This was an example of real effort
and the main reason I come here.
Thanks ..

Jo
 
Of course it's a bio-weapon, created by Mother Nature to kill off the sick and the old. She's one cold bitch.
If I called Mother Nature, God, you'd freak out.

Would I? I might question you if you said she had sex with nubile female and created a half God Half Human being. But God imo, is a human construct, whereas my concept of Mother Nature is that gnawing drive every thing has that says "I'm going to live".
 
Too little is still known about the Wuhanvirus to RULE OUT it as a bioweapon!
Since it came from China it probably is.

I say, set the nuclear doomsday launch algorithms now to hit China if the Wuhanvirus ultimately threatens all of mankind!
Ok.

Well, a good irradiating of mainland China would make this the last virus to be spread by those irresponsible bastards!!!
We see your virus, and raise you a nuclear winter!
 
All I know is that China is the source of this pandemic and they continue to remain coy, dishonest, and totally guarded about it!

A person would have to be a F'in TOTAL idiot to cover for them and give them the benefit of a doubt.
 
Too little is still known about the Wuhanvirus to RULE OUT it as a bioweapon!
Since it came from China it probably is.

I say, set the nuclear doomsday launch algorithms now to hit China if the Wuhanvirus ultimately threatens all of mankind!
Ok.

Well, a good irradiating of mainland China would make this the last virus to be spread by those irresponsible bastards!!!
We see your virus, and raise you a nuclear winter!
wuhan missile.jpg
 
I did not have doubts-----HOWEVER any scary sickness caused by a
transmissible pathogen can be USED as a terrorist weapon

You mean the same way they weaponized herpes back in the '80s?

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All I know is that China is the source of this pandemic and they continue to remain coy, dishonest, and totally guarded about it!

A person would have to be a F'in TOTAL idiot to cover for them and give them the benefit of a doubt.
You mean like CNN and MSNBC?
 
All I know is that China is the source of this pandemic and they continue to remain coy, dishonest, and totally guarded about it!

A person would have to be a F'in TOTAL idiot to cover for them and give them the benefit of a doubt.

Or on their payroll.

Jo
 
How did someone writing something somewhere that you don't even know change your mind about anything?
I recognized this name ...Andrew Rambaut.....so it's not totally unknown....and while I will admit that there is still some possibility that it was a weaponized virus I found the reasoning in the article to be very compelling....
Not to slam on you, justoffal, but that is the Bernays Celebrity Endorsement advertising technique. You dont really know this guy at all, but since you recognise his name you feel like you do, as if he and you were members of the same little town. That is one way mass media manipulates us.

But the reasoning is all an appeal to authority when this is not a topic that has unanimous agreement among experts. There are experts who disagree too.

The reasoning is thin I think. The core of the article is:

They suggested that it cannot be an artificial creation because its structure "differed substantially from those of already known coronaviruses and mostly resembled related viruses found in bats and pangolins".

The researchers suggested that anyone looking to create a new coronavirus and use it as a bioweapon would probably have built it using the backbone of a virus that has already killed humans.

"Its distinct backbone rules out laboratory manipulation as a potential origin for SARS-CoV-2,” Andersen added.

However, we still do not know exactly how the coronavirus came into being. "​

"Would probably" kind of shoots absolute certitude into the dirt if not making it completely irrelevant.

And which of the two strains of the disease is he talking about? Not explained, why?

Look at how viruses change when their RNA/DNA goes through 'reassortment' or 'antigenic shift':
Evolution of viruses (article) | Viruses | Khan Academy

Influenza ("flu") viruses are masters of reassortment. They have eight RNA segments, each carrying one or a few genes.4^{4}4start superscript, 4, end superscript

When two influenza viruses infect the same cell at the same time, some of the new viruses made inside of the cell may have a mix of segments (e.g., segments 1-4 from strain A and segments 5-8 from strain B).

Pigs in particular are well-known "mixing vessels" for influenza viruses.5^{5}5start superscript, 5, end superscript Pig cells can be recognized, and thus infected, by both human and bird influenza viruses (as well as pig viruses). If a cell in the pig is infected with two types of virus at the same time, it may release new viruses that contain a mixture of genetic material from the human and bird viruses.​

c6c04156f1443f4d0ff420f7fa2343d442ae9114.png


The Receptor layer changes along with the core RNA, but not with COVID19. It has the same Receptor layer as a variant of SARS, hence why its full name is SARS-CoV-2.

And here are some articles that talk about the similarities:
Studies highlight nCoV similarity with SARS, family transmission

COVID-19 (Novel Coronavirus 2019) – recent trends

Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Receptors Show Similarities to SARS-CoV, According to New Analysis
Decade-long structural studies by Fang Li of the University of Minnesota, et al. have shown how the SARS virus (SARS-CoV) interacts with animal and human hosts in order to infect them. The mechanics of infection by the Wuhan coronavirus appear to be similar. These investigators used the knowledge they gleaned from multiple SARS-CoV strains—isolated from different hosts in different years—and angiotensin-converting enzyme-2 (ACE2) receptors from different animal species to model predictions for the novel Wuhan coronavirus. (Both viruses use ACE2 to gain entry into the cell, but it serves normally as a regulator for heart function.)

“Our structural analyses confidently predict that the Wuhan coronavirus uses ACE2 as its host receptor,” the investigators wrote. That and several other structural details of the new virus are consistent with the ability of the Wuhan coronavirus to infect humans and with some capability to transmit among humans.

“Alarmingly, our data predict that a single mutation [at a specific spot in the genome] could significantly enhance [the Wuhan coronavirus’s] ability to bind with human ACE2,” the investigators write. For this reason, Wuhan coronavirus evolution in patients should be closely monitored for the emergence of novel mutations at the 501 position in its genome, and to a lesser extent, the 494 position, in order to predict the possibility of a more serious outbreak than has been seen so far.​


Obviously I am not an expert, but there are experts who disagree with the Brit above and it amazes me that having a recognizable name has such impact on how people think.
When trump tells you it isnt a bio weapon you will believe it so you ain't in a position to slam on anyone or anything...
 
As a good American, Trump hates Xi, as well he should. As a communist scumbag, Xi hates Trump. When they talk or say they have a good relationship, they're both blowing smoke. Everything this country stands for and believes in is evil in the eyes of these communist bastards. So you can be sure that when Trump and Xi talk, they're both beating around the bush while actually going for the jugular. Red China has acted so guilty in this whole virus coverup that I have no choice but to conclude this was an intentional attack against the world by them, lowlife scumbags that they are.
 

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