The commie government agency THE FDA, wants to regulate the cheese on a pizza.

[MisterBeale]

says someone who thinks von hayek wasn't a crackpot

One of the central thesis's behind Keynesianism is that "War is good for the health of the economy."

Nice economic philosophy.

Don't talk to us about who the crack pot is.

War is good for the economy. WWII pulled the world out of the Great Depression. Supplying the reconstruction of Europe created the wealth of the middle class America in the 1950’s and 60’s.

It’s hell on the population and not so good for the losing side but great for the economy.

IOW you believe the big lie.

 

[Dragonlady]

Because they are in the business of protecting their employers, the voter....

That's what you think the job of the federal government is, to protect people from themselves?

Maybe in a dictatorship or Communist country, but not in a free society. Our founders wrote what the duties of the federal government were, and not one was written on their responsibility to tell you WTF to eat.

No the govt. is not protecting people from themselves since the pizza joint is not owned by the customer...There is no such thing as a free society....

Not if left to the Democrats there isn't.

The pizza joint doesn't have to be owned by the people to realize pizza is not the most healthy thing for you to eat. We have the internet now, and you can get that information anytime you need or want it.

There is nothing wrong with pizza and it can have healthy ingredients and it helps to build that pizza if the consumer is informed of the choices and the specific details of the ingredients..
Not everyone in the world has access to the internet..

You don't need access to the internet if you have common sense. Most Republicans have it but only a few Democrats do.

I know what's in a pizza for crying out loud. I know the amount of calories they have and affects to the body. But for the life of me, I never heard one story about a fat person getting skinny because the government forced restaurants to post calorie count on their items. All it is is an expense to the businesses that they didn't need, and of course, what us consumers ultimately pay for. They have to change their wall menus, their table menus, have to hire labs or agencies to figure out what each item contains, and for what? Nothing.

Where the real money is spent is people still breast feeding off of the government because they can't feed themselves.

How do you get from restaurants posting ingredients or calorie counts on their menus to “the government is telling you what to eat”?

Then you say that you thought car dealers posted mileage on the windows as a sales gimmick. Bet yo thought they never rolled the mileage back either.

And it’s just common sense that pizza is bad for you. It’s not common sense at all. It’s based on knowledge of which foods are high in fat or sugar, which are highly processed and what the ratios are. There’s a fair amount of technical knowledge required.

As for the cost of restaurants providing the information, it’s very cheap for the chain to do that. They all have set menus and test kitchens. And they have a head chef who sets the menu. They know from the get go what the ingredients and caloric values are but they haven’t been publishing it. The only change is that they’re now putting it on the menus at the next printing.

Ray, you go on and on about common sense as it you had it. You don’t have the good sense God have a goose.

 

[Dragonlady]

My daughter makes pizza using cauliflower for the crust. She cuts it up and runs it through the food processor and mixes it with other ingredients. It makes a thin crispy crust and it’s very healthy. It’s also the most delicious pizza I’ve ever eaten.

 

[SmokeALib]

I prefer to know how many calories I eat at each meal it's called weight control. I also like to know the ingredients I am purchasing along with fat content for any future strokes I'd like to avoid..

I'll lay it out for ya: eat pizza hamburgers fries and pop, you become fat pig. You are welcome to share this revelation.

 

[SmokeALib]

My daughter makes pizza using cauliflower for the crust. She cuts it up and runs it through the food processor and mixes it with other ingredients. It makes a thin crispy crust and it’s very healthy. It’s also the most delicious pizza I’ve ever eaten.

Yes part of a low carb high protein/fat diet. It works. I lost 80 pounds on the Keto diet and never looked back. Point being, not one calorie was counted. It's not the calories that makes a person obese as the FDA wants you to believe. It's the sources of those calories, along with inactivity, heredity, lifestyle, etc that promotes obesity.

 

[Rustic]

If the federal government says its going to do something that benefits me, I can count on it not benefiting me in anyway.
That’s just the way it is... no two ways about it

That’s because in Putin doesn’t give a rat’s ass about you. It’s not like you can vote him out.

Your mistaken, the US federal government.
You know the owned by the deep state...

 

[sparky]

b-b-b-bbut....do i look fat in this overbearing gub'mit bureaucracy?



~S~

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

My daughter makes pizza using cauliflower for the crust. She cuts it up and runs it through the food processor and mixes it with other ingredients. It makes a thin crispy crust and it’s very healthy. It’s also the most delicious pizza I’ve ever eaten.

Yes part of a low carb high protein/fat diet. It works. I lost 80 pounds on the Keto diet and never looked back. Point being, not one calorie was counted. It's not the calories that makes a person obese as the FDA wants you to believe. It's the sources of those calories, along with inactivity, heredity, lifestyle, etc that promotes obesity.

When my employer went to Italy for vacation, he thought he would come back with an extra 20 lbs eating all that Italian food for two weeks. He didn't gain a pound. He questioned the cooks and restaurants there, and they said the reason we gain so much weight from pasta is because of what American companies put into it. My employer said he didn't see nearly as many overweight Italians as Americans here in the states. They eat Italian food all the time without gaining weight.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's what you think the job of the federal government is, to protect people from themselves?

Maybe in a dictatorship or Communist country, but not in a free society. Our founders wrote what the duties of the federal government were, and not one was written on their responsibility to tell you WTF to eat.

No the govt. is not protecting people from themselves since the pizza joint is not owned by the customer...There is no such thing as a free society....

Not if left to the Democrats there isn't.

The pizza joint doesn't have to be owned by the people to realize pizza is not the most healthy thing for you to eat. We have the internet now, and you can get that information anytime you need or want it.

There is nothing wrong with pizza and it can have healthy ingredients and it helps to build that pizza if the consumer is informed of the choices and the specific details of the ingredients..
Not everyone in the world has access to the internet..

You don't need access to the internet if you have common sense. Most Republicans have it but only a few Democrats do.

I know what's in a pizza for crying out loud. I know the amount of calories they have and affects to the body. But for the life of me, I never heard one story about a fat person getting skinny because the government forced restaurants to post calorie count on their items. All it is is an expense to the businesses that they didn't need, and of course, what us consumers ultimately pay for. They have to change their wall menus, their table menus, have to hire labs or agencies to figure out what each item contains, and for what? Nothing.

Where the real money is spent is people still breast feeding off of the government because they can't feed themselves.

How do you get from restaurants posting ingredients or calorie counts on their menus to “the government is telling you what to eat”?

Then you say that you thought car dealers posted mileage on the windows as a sales gimmick. Bet yo thought they never rolled the mileage back either.

And it’s just common sense that pizza is bad for you. It’s not common sense at all. It’s based on knowledge of which foods are high in fat or sugar, which are highly processed and what the ratios are. There’s a fair amount of technical knowledge required.

As for the cost of restaurants providing the information, it’s very cheap for the chain to do that. They all have set menus and test kitchens. And they have a head chef who sets the menu. They know from the get go what the ingredients and caloric values are but they haven’t been publishing it. The only change is that they’re now putting it on the menus at the next printing.

Ray, you go on and on about common sense as it you had it. You don’t have the good sense God have a goose.

Oh please. You mean to tell me that you don't know a Whopper combo with onion rings is fattening?

You may like waking up in bed with government every day and going to sleep the same, but as for the rest of us, the less government in our lives, the better.

 

[sparky]

I'm going to blame the dog....

~S~

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

the populus ...or the population...the masses really

will never... ever make the perfect pizza for me lol

I want the best cheese....not Kraft my dears....not Kraft at all

but the best Swiss cheese....

oh well

perhaps this is another topic....

That's damn near impossible because we Americans have become so cheap. We demand cheap products right down to our food.

So the creators of our products meet the demand. Younger people don't know, but us older people remember what a real Big Mac tasted like. Same with a Whopper or cheeseburger. They tasted nothing like they do today. They kept making the sandwiches cheaper and cheaper.

Wendy's and KFC are the only two fast food places that still make their food the same, but compare their prices to similar restaurants. It's why most of the KFC's closed down in the US.

Where I live, we only have one home made pizza place in the area. The others are all franchises. Franchise pizzas suck. They use the cheapest ingrediants available.

 

[sparky]

well i guess takeout pizza is off the menu for a while.......~S~

 

[MisterBeale]

the populus ...or the population...the masses really

will never... ever make the perfect pizza for me lol

I want the best cheese....not Kraft my dears....not Kraft at all

but the best Swiss cheese....

oh well

perhaps this is another topic....

That's damn near impossible because we Americans have become so cheap. We demand cheap products right down to our food.

So the creators of our products meet the demand. Younger people don't know, but us older people remember what a real Big Mac tasted like. Same with a Whopper or cheeseburger. They tasted nothing like they do today. They kept making the sandwiches cheaper and cheaper.

Wendy's and KFC are the only two fast food places that still make their food the same, but compare their prices to similar restaurants. It's why most of the KFC's closed down in the US.

Where I live, we only have one home made pizza place in the area. The others are all franchises. Franchise pizzas suck. They use the cheapest ingrediants available.

If you want a homemade pizza place, your best bet is to drive 20 miles outside a major urban area.

Go to a small town where the population is a few thousand with maybe a pizza joint, maybe two. Those have the best mom and pop joints.


The village I live in has a population of 850, the county has no more than 2500. How it supports three mom and pop pizza joints? I shall never know. All three of them are pretty good.

We used to have four, but the best one moved location to the big city 15 miles away and went out of business against the chains three months latter, such a shame.

Two of those three places make their own sauce. I don't think chains do that. . .

 

[Coyote]

Because they are in the business of protecting their employers, the voter....

That's what you think the job of the federal government is, to protect people from themselves?

Maybe in a dictatorship or Communist country, but not in a free society. Our founders wrote what the duties of the federal government were, and not one was written on their responsibility to tell you WTF to eat.

No the govt. is not protecting people from themselves since the pizza joint is not owned by the customer...There is no such thing as a free society....

Not if left to the Democrats there isn't.

The pizza joint doesn't have to be owned by the people to realize pizza is not the most healthy thing for you to eat. We have the internet now, and you can get that information anytime you need or want it.

There is nothing wrong with pizza and it can have healthy ingredients and it helps to build that pizza if the consumer is informed of the choices and the specific details of the ingredients..
Not everyone in the world has access to the internet..

You don't need access to the internet if you have common sense. Most Republicans have it but only a few Democrats do.

I know what's in a pizza for crying out loud. I know the amount of calories they have and affects to the body. But for the life of me, I never heard one story about a fat person getting skinny because the government forced restaurants to post calorie count on their items. All it is is an expense to the businesses that they didn't need, and of course, what us consumers ultimately pay for. They have to change their wall menus, their table menus, have to hire labs or agencies to figure out what each item contains, and for what? Nothing.

Where the real money is spent is people still breast feeding off of the government because they can't feed themselves.

Your wrong. Anyone who is trying to lose weight wants to know the calorie content of what they are eating. It is part of the entire package of information to help weight loss.

 

[depotoo]

But you are advocating a nanny state, simply because you like this regulation.

The FDA thinks it’s a great idea for these calories to be put on the walls of the establishment.

This is actually an excellent idea. In my area calories already have to be posted for all restaurant and fast food and holy shit some of this stuff being served to people is mega calories. Single items 800-900 calories, single meals close to 4,000 calories. As a nation we need to become more fit and healthy, what we eat is killing us.

Indeed. We need to get the police involved in this. We need laws requiring that each citizen keep a food intake log that can be spot checked by dietary agents.

Is that what I said? No.

 

[Dragonlady]

If the federal government says its going to do something that benefits me, I can count on it not benefiting me in anyway.
That’s just the way it is... no two ways about it

That’s because in Putin doesn’t give a rat’s ass about you. It’s not like you can vote him out.

Your mistaken, the US federal government.
You know the owned by the deep state...

We’ve had this discussion before, Evgeny. You’re not fooling anyone.

 

[depotoo]

Ever heard of a pocket calorie counter?

That's what you think the job of the federal government is, to protect people from themselves?

Maybe in a dictatorship or Communist country, but not in a free society. Our founders wrote what the duties of the federal government were, and not one was written on their responsibility to tell you WTF to eat.

No the govt. is not protecting people from themselves since the pizza joint is not owned by the customer...There is no such thing as a free society....

Not if left to the Democrats there isn't.

The pizza joint doesn't have to be owned by the people to realize pizza is not the most healthy thing for you to eat. We have the internet now, and you can get that information anytime you need or want it.

There is nothing wrong with pizza and it can have healthy ingredients and it helps to build that pizza if the consumer is informed of the choices and the specific details of the ingredients..
Not everyone in the world has access to the internet..

You don't need access to the internet if you have common sense. Most Republicans have it but only a few Democrats do.

I know what's in a pizza for crying out loud. I know the amount of calories they have and affects to the body. But for the life of me, I never heard one story about a fat person getting skinny because the government forced restaurants to post calorie count on their items. All it is is an expense to the businesses that they didn't need, and of course, what us consumers ultimately pay for. They have to change their wall menus, their table menus, have to hire labs or agencies to figure out what each item contains, and for what? Nothing.

Where the real money is spent is people still breast feeding off of the government because they can't feed themselves.

Your wrong. Anyone who is trying to lose weight wants to know the calorie content of what they are eating. It is part of the entire package of information to help weight loss.

 

[martybegan]

Grilled chicken is zero points on weight watchers, makes more room for the buffalo sauce of the bbq chicken pizza.

I was on weight watchers in the later 1960's I was so big, at 11 I was at 168 pounds...

it works if you stay on it, and try not to be too far over on your weekly point allotment.

Down 21 lbs since january.

It also makes you want to work out as you "buy" more points via exercise.

Good healthy weight loss. Congratulations!

I lost a lot of weight when I retired, and I was eating whatever I wanted. I was also doing all my own cooking because I couldn’t afford to go out to lunch every day. A friend pointed out I was totally controlling how much fat and sugar I was eating. I’ve also completely eliminated pop from my diet, replacing it with ice tea.

I’ve read articles which say that processed foods are full of chemicals our bodies weren’t designed to digest. The foods bind with the chemicals and our bodies store them as fat because they can’t properly digest them. I know that when I changed over from processed foods to organic, I lost weight without making any other changes in what I was eating.

I rarely trust those holistic type sites because 1/2 the time the people running them are trying to sell something (and about the other 1/2 they have no real basis in science).

To me dieting is simple:

Step 1: Eat less you fat bastard
Step 2: Exercise you lazy bastard.

But if it works for you, go with it. I've had people say my methods are sub-optimal, but they work as long as I stick with them.

So true on the food websites. I’ve clicked on so many articles which look interesting only to have it turn out to be an ad for some new “miracle diet”.

Poker teachers will tell you that the best poker level to play is the one you can win at. You’re winning. There may be more “optimal” systems out there but if you can’t stick with them, they’re not optimal at all.

I use the “Eat to Win” diet principles. High carbs, low fat, low sugar. I don’t own a car so I’m out every day, either walking or biking, weather permitting. In the summer I swim. I can feel the arthritis in my knees and hips, so I need to keep active to keep it at bay.

for me weight watchers makes me be a good little boy on normal days, and try to mitigate the damage on days I want to go out and have fun.

The funny thing is I use "gremlin rules" for tracking food, so after midnight anything eaten counts for the next day.

That leads to fun tracking logs with 3 whiskeys listed under "breakfast"

 

[Dragonlady]

No the govt. is not protecting people from themselves since the pizza joint is not owned by the customer...There is no such thing as a free society....

Not if left to the Democrats there isn't.

The pizza joint doesn't have to be owned by the people to realize pizza is not the most healthy thing for you to eat. We have the internet now, and you can get that information anytime you need or want it.

There is nothing wrong with pizza and it can have healthy ingredients and it helps to build that pizza if the consumer is informed of the choices and the specific details of the ingredients..
Not everyone in the world has access to the internet..

You don't need access to the internet if you have common sense. Most Republicans have it but only a few Democrats do.

I know what's in a pizza for crying out loud. I know the amount of calories they have and affects to the body. But for the life of me, I never heard one story about a fat person getting skinny because the government forced restaurants to post calorie count on their items. All it is is an expense to the businesses that they didn't need, and of course, what us consumers ultimately pay for. They have to change their wall menus, their table menus, have to hire labs or agencies to figure out what each item contains, and for what? Nothing.

Where the real money is spent is people still breast feeding off of the government because they can't feed themselves.

How do you get from restaurants posting ingredients or calorie counts on their menus to “the government is telling you what to eat”?

Then you say that you thought car dealers posted mileage on the windows as a sales gimmick. Bet yo thought they never rolled the mileage back either.

And it’s just common sense that pizza is bad for you. It’s not common sense at all. It’s based on knowledge of which foods are high in fat or sugar, which are highly processed and what the ratios are. There’s a fair amount of technical knowledge required.

As for the cost of restaurants providing the information, it’s very cheap for the chain to do that. They all have set menus and test kitchens. And they have a head chef who sets the menu. They know from the get go what the ingredients and caloric values are but they haven’t been publishing it. The only change is that they’re now putting it on the menus at the next printing.

Ray, you go on and on about common sense as it you had it. You don’t have the good sense God have a goose.

Oh please. You mean to tell me that you don't know a Whopper combo with onion rings is fattening?

You may like waking up in bed with government every day and going to sleep the same, but as for the rest of us, the less government in our lives, the better.

How is having nutritional information readily available on the food you’re buying “waking up in bed every day with the government”? If you aren’t interested in this information, ignore it.

I don’t eat crap from Burger King or McDonalds and I’m not overweight but I find the information posted in the stores very useful. Why does this piss you off so very much.

The US has the highest rate of obesity in the world. Children growing up in America are eating so poorly that their life expectancy is going down. So this information isn’t a matter of “common sense”. This will lead to increased medical costs, reduced productivity and a shortened working lives, all of which will have a huge impact on the economy.

It never ceases to amaze me how invested some right wingers are in hating on stupid shit that has no effect on their lives at all, while utterly ignoring The big stuff which will directly impact your wallet.

 

[SmokeALib]

Not if left to the Democrats there isn't.

The pizza joint doesn't have to be owned by the people to realize pizza is not the most healthy thing for you to eat. We have the internet now, and you can get that information anytime you need or want it.

There is nothing wrong with pizza and it can have healthy ingredients and it helps to build that pizza if the consumer is informed of the choices and the specific details of the ingredients..
Not everyone in the world has access to the internet..

You don't need access to the internet if you have common sense. Most Republicans have it but only a few Democrats do.

I know what's in a pizza for crying out loud. I know the amount of calories they have and affects to the body. But for the life of me, I never heard one story about a fat person getting skinny because the government forced restaurants to post calorie count on their items. All it is is an expense to the businesses that they didn't need, and of course, what us consumers ultimately pay for. They have to change their wall menus, their table menus, have to hire labs or agencies to figure out what each item contains, and for what? Nothing.

Where the real money is spent is people still breast feeding off of the government because they can't feed themselves.

How do you get from restaurants posting ingredients or calorie counts on their menus to “the government is telling you what to eat”?

Then you say that you thought car dealers posted mileage on the windows as a sales gimmick. Bet yo thought they never rolled the mileage back either.

And it’s just common sense that pizza is bad for you. It’s not common sense at all. It’s based on knowledge of which foods are high in fat or sugar, which are highly processed and what the ratios are. There’s a fair amount of technical knowledge required.

As for the cost of restaurants providing the information, it’s very cheap for the chain to do that. They all have set menus and test kitchens. And they have a head chef who sets the menu. They know from the get go what the ingredients and caloric values are but they haven’t been publishing it. The only change is that they’re now putting it on the menus at the next printing.

Ray, you go on and on about common sense as it you had it. You don’t have the good sense God have a goose.

Oh please. You mean to tell me that you don't know a Whopper combo with onion rings is fattening?

You may like waking up in bed with government every day and going to sleep the same, but as for the rest of us, the less government in our lives, the better.

How is having nutritional information readily available on the food you’re buying “waking up in bed every day with the government”? If you aren’t interested in this information, ignore it.

I don’t eat crap from Burger King or McDonalds and I’m not overweight but I find the information posted in the stores very useful. Why does this piss you off so very much.

The US has the highest rate of obesity in the world. Children growing up in America are eating so poorly that their life expectancy is going down. So this information isn’t a matter of “common sense”. This will lead to increased medical costs, reduced productivity and a shortened working lives, all of which will have a huge impact on the economy.

It never ceases to amaze me how invested some right wingers are in hating on stupid shit that has no effect on their lives at all, while utterly ignoring The big stuff which will directly impact your wallet.

This is what leftists will never understand. More government regulation is seldom the answer. I mean, why take on personal responsibility when a huge unaccountable, and bankrupt government can do it for you - right?