The commie government agency THE FDA, wants to regulate the cheese on a pizza.

[g5000]

I think if you are in a fast food joint trying to discern which item on the menu is the best choice for your health, you may want to re-examine your premise.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Not if left to the Democrats there isn't.

The pizza joint doesn't have to be owned by the people to realize pizza is not the most healthy thing for you to eat. We have the internet now, and you can get that information anytime you need or want it.

There is nothing wrong with pizza and it can have healthy ingredients and it helps to build that pizza if the consumer is informed of the choices and the specific details of the ingredients..
Not everyone in the world has access to the internet..

Additionally, a new co-worker of mine has an allergy to fish. Turns out that fish by-products are found in a surprising number of items such as some Yogurts for example. So she has to be mindful of the ingredients, if the fried wings are cooked in the same oil they use for the fried fish, etc..

And it's impossible for her to access that information without the government mandating that reams of information be dumped on EVERY consumer, whether they want it or not? If that's really your premise, you'd best be prepared to prove it.

Yeah, too much information is a big burden. You really should think before you type.

Sounds like Cecilie1200 believes the consumer should look up online every item they consume. Call me lazy, but I believe consumer products should be accurately labeled and damn, it always amazes me that the right always disagrees.

Another factor,its very likely the maker/seller would prefer to be sued because they knowingly hid some ingredient.

Only a leftist would find it outrageous that people should go to the "extreme" effort of getting the information they want, rather than having the government slap them upside the head with it.

Yeah, I actually WAS planning to call you lazy. Thanks for saving me the effort, tweeko.

 

[Desperado]

Maybe they shouldjust forget the calorie count and take a page from the mandated cirgarette package warnings "Warning: Eating this Item may make you fat"

 

[Cecilie1200]

And idiot RWNJs will celebrate that they no longer know what they're feeding their kids.

And libertarians will celebrate because government has better things to do than telling us how to eat.

You didn't read the OP.

That's not what the reg does.

Sheesh. You guys are really working hard. Desperate much?

No, I did read the OP. You are simply dodging. The entire point of these laws are to change our eating habits via the law. Do you deny that?

Why does the right always disagree with something as basic as knowing what they eat and drink?

You can CHOOSE to change or not. You can CHOOSE to educate yourself or not. But, why shouldn't I have the right to know what I'm eating? Why are you so against that?

Why does the left ALWAYS insist on pretending that nothing will ever get done if the government doesn't do it?

No one is disagreeing with knowing what one is eating or drinking. You know why no one is disagreeing with that? BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE TOPIC. The topic is whether or not the government should be mandating the exchange of information.

Whenever your cheeseball ass wants to stop being afraid to address the actual topic, let me know.

 

[Moonglow]

There is nothing wrong with pizza and it can have healthy ingredients and it helps to build that pizza if the consumer is informed of the choices and the specific details of the ingredients..
Not everyone in the world has access to the internet..

You don't need access to the internet if you have common sense. Most Republicans have it but only a few Democrats do.

I know what's in a pizza for crying out loud. I know the amount of calories they have and affects to the body. But for the life of me, I never heard one story about a fat person getting skinny because the government forced restaurants to post calorie count on their items. All it is is an expense to the businesses that they didn't need, and of course, what us consumers ultimately pay for. They have to change their wall menus, their table menus, have to hire labs or agencies to figure out what each item contains, and for what? Nothing.

Where the real money is spent is people still breast feeding off of the government because they can't feed themselves.

How do you get from restaurants posting ingredients or calorie counts on their menus to “the government is telling you what to eat”?

Then you say that you thought car dealers posted mileage on the windows as a sales gimmick. Bet yo thought they never rolled the mileage back either.

And it’s just common sense that pizza is bad for you. It’s not common sense at all. It’s based on knowledge of which foods are high in fat or sugar, which are highly processed and what the ratios are. There’s a fair amount of technical knowledge required.

As for the cost of restaurants providing the information, it’s very cheap for the chain to do that. They all have set menus and test kitchens. And they have a head chef who sets the menu. They know from the get go what the ingredients and caloric values are but they haven’t been publishing it. The only change is that they’re now putting it on the menus at the next printing.

Ray, you go on and on about common sense as it you had it. You don’t have the good sense God have a goose.

Oh please. You mean to tell me that you don't know a Whopper combo with onion rings is fattening?

You may like waking up in bed with government every day and going to sleep the same, but as for the rest of us, the less government in our lives, the better.

How is having nutritional information readily available on the food you’re buying “waking up in bed every day with the government”? If you aren’t interested in this information, ignore it.

I don’t eat crap from Burger King or McDonalds and I’m not overweight but I find the information posted in the stores very useful. Why does this piss you off so very much.

The US has the highest rate of obesity in the world. Children growing up in America are eating so poorly that their life expectancy is going down. So this information isn’t a matter of “common sense”. This will lead to increased medical costs, reduced productivity and a shortened working lives, all of which will have a huge impact on the economy.

It never ceases to amaze me how invested some right wingers are in hating on stupid shit that has no effect on their lives at all, while utterly ignoring The big stuff which will directly impact your wallet.

Socialism destroys everything it touch... fact

Including your ability to spell..

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“…commie government agency THE FDA…”

lol

Most conservatives are as ignorant as they are stupid.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Why does the right always disagree with something as basic as knowing what they eat and drink?

You can CHOOSE to change or not. You can CHOOSE to educate yourself or not. But, why shouldn't I have the right to know what I'm eating? Why are you so against that?

Because its a burden on Mr. Businessman who's barely eking out a living as it is.

To provide it to you in state-of-the-20th-century-art format when it's already available on the Internet from any smart phone? Yeah, that's a ridiculous burden to go through because you can't bear the "intolerable effort" necessary to open Google.

 

[Cecilie1200]

RWs like dblack believe we should just trust that Mr. Businessman has our best interests at heart and would gladly give up some profit if it benefits their customers.

I'm not so gullible but, more to the point, I believe we have the right to know what we're eating, drinking, breathing ...

No, you're just gullible enough to believe that any restaurant meeting that criteria doesn't already have a website providing that fucking information. AND you're gullible enough to believe that if the government doesn't hold your hand and tell you when to breathe in and out, you'll suffocate and die.

Maybe if you weren't so fucking lazy that you find the idea of a Google search - not to mention cooking your own frigging dinner - exhausting and overwhelming, you wouldn't be such a fatass that you need to worry about the calories in the first place.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Maybe they shouldjust forget the calorie count and take a page from the mandated cirgarette package warnings "Warning: Eating this Item may make you fat"

I say we go with Bill Engvall's idea and just hand out "I'm stupid" signs to all the leftists who can't figure this shit out for themselves.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

the populus ...or the population...the masses really

will never... ever make the perfect pizza for me lol

I want the best cheese....not Kraft my dears....not Kraft at all

but the best Swiss cheese....

oh well

perhaps this is another topic....

That's damn near impossible because we Americans have become so cheap. We demand cheap products right down to our food.

So the creators of our products meet the demand. Younger people don't know, but us older people remember what a real Big Mac tasted like. Same with a Whopper or cheeseburger. They tasted nothing like they do today. They kept making the sandwiches cheaper and cheaper.

Wendy's and KFC are the only two fast food places that still make their food the same, but compare their prices to similar restaurants. It's why most of the KFC's closed down in the US.

Where I live, we only have one home made pizza place in the area. The others are all franchises. Franchise pizzas suck. They use the cheapest ingrediants available.

If you want a homemade pizza place, your best bet is to drive 20 miles outside a major urban area.

Go to a small town where the population is a few thousand with maybe a pizza joint, maybe two. Those have the best mom and pop joints.


The village I live in has a population of 850, the county has no more than 2500. How it supports three mom and pop pizza joints? I shall never know. All three of them are pretty good.

We used to have four, but the best one moved location to the big city 15 miles away and went out of business against the chains three months latter, such a shame.

Two of those three places make their own sauce. I don't think chains do that. . .

Franchise owners have to buy most if not all of their products from the company. That's how they make their money. So of course the company uses the cheapest crap they can buy in bulk and pass it around to all their restaurants.

I used to have a great pizza place across the street from me. The guy was forced into retirement by his wife; not that I can blame her, it's a night and day job. Anyway they used to have another restaurant in a mall, and they were put out of business by franchises. He told me they can make two pizzas for the cost of his one, so he couldn't' compete price wise.

I can understand people cutting corners on things they buy to save money, but food is a different subject. When it comes to food, I buy the best I can. If I decide to have a steak, I guarantee you it was the most expensive steak in the butcher shop.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's what you think the job of the federal government is, to protect people from themselves?

Maybe in a dictatorship or Communist country, but not in a free society. Our founders wrote what the duties of the federal government were, and not one was written on their responsibility to tell you WTF to eat.

No the govt. is not protecting people from themselves since the pizza joint is not owned by the customer...There is no such thing as a free society....

Not if left to the Democrats there isn't.

The pizza joint doesn't have to be owned by the people to realize pizza is not the most healthy thing for you to eat. We have the internet now, and you can get that information anytime you need or want it.

There is nothing wrong with pizza and it can have healthy ingredients and it helps to build that pizza if the consumer is informed of the choices and the specific details of the ingredients..
Not everyone in the world has access to the internet..

You don't need access to the internet if you have common sense. Most Republicans have it but only a few Democrats do.

I know what's in a pizza for crying out loud. I know the amount of calories they have and affects to the body. But for the life of me, I never heard one story about a fat person getting skinny because the government forced restaurants to post calorie count on their items. All it is is an expense to the businesses that they didn't need, and of course, what us consumers ultimately pay for. They have to change their wall menus, their table menus, have to hire labs or agencies to figure out what each item contains, and for what? Nothing.

Where the real money is spent is people still breast feeding off of the government because they can't feed themselves.

Your wrong. Anyone who is trying to lose weight wants to know the calorie content of what they are eating. It is part of the entire package of information to help weight loss.

So do you really think that's what our founders created a federal government for?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Not if left to the Democrats there isn't.

The pizza joint doesn't have to be owned by the people to realize pizza is not the most healthy thing for you to eat. We have the internet now, and you can get that information anytime you need or want it.

There is nothing wrong with pizza and it can have healthy ingredients and it helps to build that pizza if the consumer is informed of the choices and the specific details of the ingredients..
Not everyone in the world has access to the internet..

You don't need access to the internet if you have common sense. Most Republicans have it but only a few Democrats do.

I know what's in a pizza for crying out loud. I know the amount of calories they have and affects to the body. But for the life of me, I never heard one story about a fat person getting skinny because the government forced restaurants to post calorie count on their items. All it is is an expense to the businesses that they didn't need, and of course, what us consumers ultimately pay for. They have to change their wall menus, their table menus, have to hire labs or agencies to figure out what each item contains, and for what? Nothing.

Where the real money is spent is people still breast feeding off of the government because they can't feed themselves.

How do you get from restaurants posting ingredients or calorie counts on their menus to “the government is telling you what to eat”?

Then you say that you thought car dealers posted mileage on the windows as a sales gimmick. Bet yo thought they never rolled the mileage back either.

And it’s just common sense that pizza is bad for you. It’s not common sense at all. It’s based on knowledge of which foods are high in fat or sugar, which are highly processed and what the ratios are. There’s a fair amount of technical knowledge required.

As for the cost of restaurants providing the information, it’s very cheap for the chain to do that. They all have set menus and test kitchens. And they have a head chef who sets the menu. They know from the get go what the ingredients and caloric values are but they haven’t been publishing it. The only change is that they’re now putting it on the menus at the next printing.

Ray, you go on and on about common sense as it you had it. You don’t have the good sense God have a goose.

Oh please. You mean to tell me that you don't know a Whopper combo with onion rings is fattening?

You may like waking up in bed with government every day and going to sleep the same, but as for the rest of us, the less government in our lives, the better.

How is having nutritional information readily available on the food you’re buying “waking up in bed every day with the government”? If you aren’t interested in this information, ignore it.

I don’t eat crap from Burger King or McDonalds and I’m not overweight but I find the information posted in the stores very useful. Why does this piss you off so very much.

The US has the highest rate of obesity in the world. Children growing up in America are eating so poorly that their life expectancy is going down. So this information isn’t a matter of “common sense”. This will lead to increased medical costs, reduced productivity and a shortened working lives, all of which will have a huge impact on the economy.

It never ceases to amaze me how invested some right wingers are in hating on stupid shit that has no effect on their lives at all, while utterly ignoring The big stuff which will directly impact your wallet.

The primary reason kids are fat today is because they don't get any exercise. We ate all kinds of crap as kids and never got fat. But when you text your friends instead of riding your bike to their house, play video football instead of real football, have video chats instead of meeting other kids at the playground, and eat Dorito's with extra cheese the whole time, of course you're likely to have some physical problems.

Now unless you can show me the arguments of our founders or where in the Constitution it states the federal government should be in charge of our diet, then they should stay out of it. Leave people alone. Let them eat what they want. If they need to lose weight, they can figure it out on their own.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

“…commie government agency THE FDA…”

lol

Most conservatives are as ignorant as they are stupid.

Show me where in the Constitution our founders granted bureaucracies the right to run our lives. Talk about stupid. If it were up to me, bureaucracies would be illegal in this country.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Maybe they shouldjust forget the calorie count and take a page from the mandated cirgarette package warnings "Warning: Eating this Item may make you fat"

If it were up to the leftists, every bar would have crossbones and skull on the door, and posters in the bar showing horrid car crashes and people in hospital beds dying of liver failure.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

How do you think people got along before that info was at their fingertips?

But you are advocating a nanny state, simply because you like this regulation.

No, I'm simply saying people should be informed so they can make an informed decision they still have the freedom to decide. If after so warned they choose to eat a triple bacon cheeseburger with chili cheese fries and a XL Coke well that's their choice. We provide warning information on many products that may harm you and consuming meals that are north of 3,500 calories will harm you.

And we're simply saying that you're conflating "info should be available" and "therefore, the government must mandate it".

What is it with leftists that they can't stop doing this?

Do you think Red Lobster is going to voluntarily tell customers their dinner is 3,500 calories? Just being realistic.

- More than 40 percent of 16 to 19-year-olds are obese and 36% of adults are obese.

- Over 100 million Americans have diabetes or pre-diabetes. Diabetes was the seventh leading cause of death in the United States and cost us $327 billion in 2017 alone.

Only minor forms of diabetes are related to eating and can be controlled the same way. When I became diabetic I was in the best shape of my life. I was muscular and eating high protien foods night and day. I used to take handfuls of vitamins. Type one is just the luck of the draw.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

YOU should also have the same choice. So, don't read. Don't educate yourself. Problem solved.

I have a better idea: federal government don't get involved in anything that doesn't need governing.

 

[Coyote]

Yes the govt. does make them provide information, one such item is gas mileage on the sales display window sticker...

The nanny state sucks ass

So does unscrupulous business people..

And leftists always assume any business person is "unscrupulous", because they're terrified of taking responsibility for themselves.

In order to take responsibility for oneself one needs a certain amount accurate information available so as to make informed choices. That iswhy have laws regarding product labeling and purity. I dont understand why some folks are so opposed ro consumers having information. What are you afraid of?

You have yet to stop arguing "it's a good idea" in place of "therefore the government must do it".

I don't understand why some folks are so opposed to believing people can and will do things without Mommy Government forcing them to.

Except they don’t.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

But you are advocating a nanny state, simply because you like this regulation.

Indeed. We need to get the police involved in this. We need laws requiring that each citizen keep a food intake log that can be spot checked by dietary agents.

Is that what I said? No.

No, I'm simply saying people should be informed so they can make an informed decision they still have the freedom to decide. If after so warned they choose to eat a triple bacon cheeseburger with chili cheese fries and a XL Coke well that's their choice. We provide warning information on many products that may harm you and consuming meals that are north of 3,500 calories will harm you.

And we're simply saying that you're conflating "info should be available" and "therefore, the government must mandate it".

What is it with leftists that they can't stop doing this?

Do you think Red Lobster is going to voluntarily tell customers their dinner is 3,500 calories? Just being realistic.

They probably would if anybody really cared enough to ask.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

How do you think people got along before that info was at their fingertips?

No, I'm simply saying people should be informed so they can make an informed decision they still have the freedom to decide. If after so warned they choose to eat a triple bacon cheeseburger with chili cheese fries and a XL Coke well that's their choice. We provide warning information on many products that may harm you and consuming meals that are north of 3,500 calories will harm you.

And we're simply saying that you're conflating "info should be available" and "therefore, the government must mandate it".

What is it with leftists that they can't stop doing this?

Do you think Red Lobster is going to voluntarily tell customers their dinner is 3,500 calories? Just being realistic.

- More than 40 percent of 16 to 19-year-olds are obese and 36% of adults are obese.

- Over 100 million Americans have diabetes or pre-diabetes. Diabetes was the seventh leading cause of death in the United States and cost us $327 billion in 2017 alone.

Only minor forms of diabetes are related to eating and can be controlled the same way. When I became diabetic I was in the best shape of my life. I was muscular and eating high protien foods night and day. I used to take handfuls of vitamins. Type one is just the luck of the draw.

Thank you.

My son is a Type-1 and was diagnosed at 8 years old. It had nothing to do with his diet or such and people that suggest such things piss me off greatly. I hate that Type-1 and Type-2 are both called diabetes as they are so different.

I know that we disagree on things, but you have my utmost respect living with Type-1. It is an insidious disease.

I see the daily struggle my teen is going though and it kills me to know it will be part of his life forever.

 

[Dragonlady]

I was on weight watchers in the later 1960's I was so big, at 11 I was at 168 pounds...

it works if you stay on it, and try not to be too far over on your weekly point allotment.

Down 21 lbs since january.

It also makes you want to work out as you "buy" more points via exercise.

Good healthy weight loss. Congratulations!

I lost a lot of weight when I retired, and I was eating whatever I wanted. I was also doing all my own cooking because I couldn’t afford to go out to lunch every day. A friend pointed out I was totally controlling how much fat and sugar I was eating. I’ve also completely eliminated pop from my diet, replacing it with ice tea.

I’ve read articles which say that processed foods are full of chemicals our bodies weren’t designed to digest. The foods bind with the chemicals and our bodies store them as fat because they can’t properly digest them. I know that when I changed over from processed foods to organic, I lost weight without making any other changes in what I was eating.

I rarely trust those holistic type sites because 1/2 the time the people running them are trying to sell something (and about the other 1/2 they have no real basis in science).

To me dieting is simple:

Step 1: Eat less you fat bastard
Step 2: Exercise you lazy bastard.

But if it works for you, go with it. I've had people say my methods are sub-optimal, but they work as long as I stick with them.

So true on the food websites. I’ve clicked on so many articles which look interesting only to have it turn out to be an ad for some new “miracle diet”.

Poker teachers will tell you that the best poker level to play is the one you can win at. You’re winning. There may be more “optimal” systems out there but if you can’t stick with them, they’re not optimal at all.

I use the “Eat to Win” diet principles. High carbs, low fat, low sugar. I don’t own a car so I’m out every day, either walking or biking, weather permitting. In the summer I swim. I can feel the arthritis in my knees and hips, so I need to keep active to keep it at bay.

for me weight watchers makes me be a good little boy on normal days, and try to mitigate the damage on days I want to go out and have fun.

The funny thing is I use "gremlin rules" for tracking food, so after midnight anything eaten counts for the next day.

That leads to fun tracking logs with 3 whiskeys listed under "breakfast"

When I go to Toronto to hang out with my sports fan friends I fall right off the wagon, starting with the hot dog cart outside the subway station near my host’s downtown condo. There are six of us who go to live sports events and get together a couple of times a year to watch big events like Worlds or the Olympics, on TV. We call them “Not going to” parties. We eat and drink all day, with no thought to nutrition or calories. Good times.

Sunday baseball games are also a favourite starting with the all you can eat brunch at the Hot House before heading to the SkyDome. At most we do one or two baseball games per season, and two Not Going To parties.

At home, I behave myself. I eat whatever I want but I do have a few rules. No pies, cakes, cookies, brownies or muffins unless I bake them myself. The time and effort involved is usually enough to make decide to eat an apple instead.

Another rule is 2 1/2 cups of fruit and vegetables per day. This one’s easy to follow because I love me some salad, veggies and fresh fruit. Fruit in my oatmeal, a salad with lunch, veggies with supper and berries for dessert.

I don’t keep chips, candy, chocolate, or peanuts in the house. When I buy baking chocolate it’s cocoa powder or unsweetened squares. I have to work for my sweet treats. At the very least, I have to walk or bike to the store to get them.

I prefer to know how many calories I eat at each meal it's called weight control. I also like to know the ingredients I am purchasing along with fat content for any future strokes I'd like to avoid..

I'll lay it out for ya: eat pizza hamburgers fries and pop, you become fat pig. You are welcome to share this revelation.

Not necessarily. A properly made hamburger is a nutritious, low-fat, meal that hits the big three in the right proportions: four or five ounces of lean grilled beef for protein; a multigrain bun for complex carbohydrates (no butter necessary); a slice of onion, a fresh lettuce leaf or two, a slice of tomato, and some fresh for fruit and vegetables for simple carbohydrates. This burger clocks in around 500 calories. Add a fresh salad with vinegarette dressing and a banana for dessert and you have a very nutrious meal which provides about 1/3 of your daily energy requirements.

A double pattie pink slime fast food extravaganza with process cheese food and bacon, slathered in special sauce, on a white bread bun, slathered in margarine is not so healthy. Paired with extra sized fries, a deep fried apple pie and a large soft drink, yes this meal will make you fat.