The Cost of Israel

[mdn2000]

What makes you an expert on the Middle East?

Imaginary degrees from "Princeton"

Chomsky is clear on the true cost of Israel to the US citizen and the profound ignorance most Americans have about the background of the Israeli-Palestinian dispute:

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1000 books in my personal library.

Chomsky, Chomsky, Chomsky, Chomsky, Chomsky.

I lose, George is the expert because he links to thee most quoted man of all time, Chomsky.

 

[Marc39]

What makes you an expert on the Middle East?

Imaginary degrees from "Princeton"

Chomsky is clear on the true cost of Israel to the US citizen and the profound ignorance most Americans have about the background of the Israeli-Palestinian dispute:

.

1000 books in my personal library.

Chomsky, Chomsky, Chomsky, Chomsky, Chomsky.

I lose, George is the expert because he links to thee most quoted man of all time, Chomsky.

Ironic that George cites Chomsky, a language teacher, and George has such diffculty forming a coherent sentence.

Must be the residual effects of the alcoholism.

 

[georgephillip]

"..., among other things, a rebellion against the Jewish religion.

"It was born in sin – the sin of secular nationalism, which had swept through Europe after the French revolution.

"Zionism rebelled against the Halakha (religious law) which forbade Jews to 'ascend' to the holy country en masse. According to the religious myth, God exiled the Jews from the country in retribution for their sins, and only God had the right to bring them back.

"Because of this, practically all the important rabbis – both the Hassidim and their opponents - cursed the founders of Zionism. (Needless to say, these curses – some of them very juicy ones – do not appear in Israeli schoolbooks.)

"Before all the international inquiries preceding the establishment of the state, delegations of Orthodox Jews appeared in order to oppose the Zionist delegations.

"But David Ben-Gurion, who refused to wear a kippah even at funerals (where most atheists do wear kippahs as a gesture towards the beliefs of others) thought that it was worthwhile to get the Orthodox to join his government coalition.

"Therefore he promised them to free a few hundred Yeshiva (religious seminary) students from military duty and to pay for their studies and upkeep, so that they would not be obliged to work for a living."

Care to craft a few coherent sentences on the future costs to the state of Israel from Ben-Gurion's promise?

Original Sin

 

[Marc39]

"..., among other things, a rebellion against the Jewish religion.

"It was born in sin – the sin of secular nationalism, which had swept through Europe after the French revolution[/].

Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper...

All of my life, Israel has been a symbol of the triumph of hope and faith. After 1945, our battered world desperately needed to be lifted out of post-war darkness and despair. After so much pain and suffering, humanity needed comfort and optimism. After so much death and destruction, we needed renewal. The renewal of the dream of a better and more civilized world. We needed to be inspired and it was the Jewish people who suffered most who provided that inspiration.

By their example, they led the world back to the light. From shattered Europe and other countries, near and far, the descendants of Abrhahan, Isaac and Jacob made their way home. Their pilgramage was the culmination of a 2000 year dream it is a tribute to the unquenchable human aspiration for freedom and a testament to the indominable spirit of the Jewish People.

In the 60 years that followed, Israel blossomed into one of the most successful countries on Earth. A land of ingenuity and enterprise, an oasis of agricultural genius, a wellspring of fine art and high culture, a model of democracy, Israel is truly the miracle in the desert.

But, the source of Israel's strength and success is its commitment to the universal values of all civilized people, freedom, democracy, human rights and the rule of law. Soon, I hope to have the opportunity to travel to Israel to see the miracle with my own eyes. To see how millions of people from all over the Earth with their countless different languages and traditions came together to build a modern, prosperous, vibrant democratic country.

I want to see first hand what the survivors of the Holocaust and their descendants have accomplished for theirs is truly an achievement of resilience and renewal unsurpassed in the annals of human history. Considering how far Israel has come in so short a time, in the face of such seemingly insurmountable odds, I can foresee no dark force, no matter how strong, that could succeed in dimming the light of freedom and democracy that shines from within Israel.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWhpWHeI6-U[/ame]

 

[docmauser1]

It was born in sin – the sin of secular nationalism, which had swept through Europe after the French revolution.

Poor Egypt, the "sin of secular nationalism". Dumbass Avnery, the "sin of ...". Typical.

 

[georgephillip]

What makes you an expert on the Middle East?

Imaginary degrees from "Princeton"

Chomsky is clear on the true cost of Israel to the US citizen and the profound ignorance most Americans have about the background of the Israeli-Palestinian dispute:

.

1000 books in my personal library.

Chomsky, Chomsky, Chomsky, Chomsky, Chomsky.

I lose, George is the expert because he links to thee most quoted man of all time, Chomsky.

Eighth most quoted author of all time.
Only living human being on a top ten list that starts with the Bible.
Plato, Shakespeare, Freud, Marx, Chaucer, Cicero, Chomsky.

 

[Marc39]

What makes you an expert on the Middle East?

Imaginary degrees from "Princeton"

Chomsky is clear on the true cost of Israel to the US citizen and the profound ignorance most Americans have about the background of the Israeli-Palestinian dispute:

.

1000 books in my personal library.

Chomsky, Chomsky, Chomsky, Chomsky, Chomsky.

I lose, George is the expert because he links to thee most quoted man of all time, Chomsky.

Eighth most quoted author of all time.
Only living human being on a top ten list that starts with the Bible.
Plato, Shakespeare, Freud, Marx, Chaucer, Cicero, Chomsky.

IUn 40 years, Chomsky never quoted in the news sections of the NY Times, Washington Post, Time or Newsweek magazines, nor on ABC, BBC, CBS, CNN, NBC nor ever consulted by the White House, US Congress, US State Dept or US Defense Dept

 

[P F Tinmore]

1000 books in my personal library.

Chomsky, Chomsky, Chomsky, Chomsky, Chomsky.

I lose, George is the expert because he links to thee most quoted man of all time, Chomsky.

Eighth most quoted author of all time.
Only living human being on a top ten list that starts with the Bible.
Plato, Shakespeare, Freud, Marx, Chaucer, Cicero, Chomsky.

IUn 40 years, Chomsky never quoted in the news sections of the NY Times, Washington Post, Time or Newsweek magazines, nor on ABC, BBC, CBS, CNN, NBC nor ever consulted by the White House, US Congress, US State Dept or US Defense Dept

Maybe that is why all of the above are losing credibility.

 

[Ropey]

Eighth most quoted author of all time.
Only living human being on a top ten list that starts with the Bible.
Plato, Shakespeare, Freud, Marx, Chaucer, Cicero, Chomsky.

IUn 40 years, Chomsky never quoted in the news sections of the NY Times, Washington Post, Time or Newsweek magazines, nor on ABC, BBC, CBS, CNN, NBC nor ever consulted by the White House, US Congress, US State Dept or US Defense Dept

Maybe that is why all of the above are losing credibility.

Says the one who knows goats. You even put your buddy george in there. One too many?

 

[Marc39]

Eighth most quoted author of all time.
Only living human being on a top ten list that starts with the Bible.
Plato, Shakespeare, Freud, Marx, Chaucer, Cicero, Chomsky.

IUn 40 years, Chomsky never quoted in the news sections of the NY Times, Washington Post, Time or Newsweek magazines, nor on ABC, BBC, CBS, CNN, NBC nor ever consulted by the White House, US Congress, US State Dept or US Defense Dept

Maybe that is why all of the above are losing credibility.

Chomsky the language teacher.

 

[P F Tinmore]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYtvb8OW_cg&feature=related[/ame]

 

[Marc39]

Former Prime Minister of Spain Jose Maria Aznar: Israel The Land Of Democracy And Freedom

We cannot forget that Israel is the West’s best ally in a turbulent region. The state of Israel was created by a decision of the UN. Its legitimacy, therefore, should not be in question. Israel is a nation with deeply rooted democratic institutions. It is a dynamic and open society that has repeatedly excelled in culture, science and technology. Owing to its roots, history, and values, Israel is a fully fledged Western nation. Indeed, it is a normal Western nation, but one confronted by abnormal circumstances.
What binds us, however, is our unyielding support for Israel’s right to exist and to defend itself. For Western countries to side with those who question Israel’s legitimacy, for them to play games in international bodies with Israel’s vital security issues, for them to appease those who oppose Western values rather than robustly to stand up in defense of those values, is not only a grave moral mistake, but a strategic error of the first magnitude.

Israel is a fundamental part of the West. The West is what it is thanks to its Judeo-Christian roots. If the Jewish element of those roots is upturned and Israel is lost, then we are lost too. Whether we like it or not, our fate is inextricably intertwined. The real threats to regional stability, however, are to be found in the rise of a radical Islamism which sees Israel’s destruction as the fulfillment of its religious destiny and, simultaneously in the case of Iran, as an expression of its ambitions for regional hegemony. Both phenomena are threats that affect not only Israel, but also the wider West and the world at large.

Israel is our first line of defense in a turbulent region that is constantly at risk of descending into chaos; a region vital to our energy security owing to our overdependence on Middle Eastern oil; a region that forms the front line in the fight against extremism. If Israel goes down, we all go down. To defend Israel’s right to exist in peace, within secure borders, requires a degree of moral and strategic clarity that too often seems to have disappeared in Europe. The United States shows worrying signs of heading in the same direction.

The West is going through a period of confusion over the shape of the world’s future. To a great extent, this confusion is caused by a kind of masochistic self-doubt over our own identity; by the rule of political correctness; by a multiculturalism that forces us to our knees before others; and by a secularism which, irony of ironies, blinds us even when we are confronted by jihadis promoting the most fanatical incarnation of their faith. To abandon Israel to its fate, at this moment of all moments, would merely serve to illustrate how far we have sunk and how inexorable our decline now appears.

This cannot be allowed to happen. Motivated by the need to rebuild our own Western values, expressing deep concern about the wave of aggression against Israel, and mindful that Israel’s strength is our strength and Israel’s weakness is our weakness, I have decided to promote a new Friends of Israel initiative with the help of some prominent people, including David Trimble, Andrew Roberts, John Bolton, Alejandro Toledo (the former President of Peru), Marcello Pera (philosopher and former President of the Italian Senate), Fiamma Nirenstein (the Italian author and politician), the financier Robert Agostinelli and the Catholic intellectual George Weigel.

What binds us, however, is our unyielding support for Israel’s right to exist and to defend itself. For Western countries to side with those who question Israel’s legitimacy, for them to play games in international bodies with Israel’s vital security issues, for them to appease those who oppose Western values rather than robustly to stand up in defense of those values, is not only a grave moral mistake, but a strategic error of the first magnitude. Israel is a fundamental part of the West. The West is what it is thanks to its Judeo-Christian roots. If the Jewish element of those roots is upturned and Israel is lost, then we are lost too. Whether we like it or not, our fate is inextricably intertwined.

Republicans Abroad

 

[georgephillip]

The Cost of Israel's War on Children:

"Israeli police have been criticized over their treatment of hundreds of Palestinian children, some as young as seven, arrested and interrogated on suspicion of stone throwing in East Jerusalem.

"In the past year, criminal investigations have been opened against more than 1,200 Palestinian minors in Jerusalem on stone-throwing charges, according to police statistics gathered by the Association of Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI).

"That was nearly twice the number of children arrested last year in the much larger Palestinian territory of the West Bank.

"Most of the arrests have occurred in the Silwan district, close to Jerusalem's Old City, where 350 extremist Jewish settlers have set up several heavily guarded illegal enclaves among 50,000 Palestinian residents"

How many Arab children currently rot in Jew jails?

Why do US tax dollars fund organized child abuse.

Jonathon Cook

 

[Ernie S.]

The Cost of Israel ?

I can get it for you wholesale.

 

[Ernie S.]

The Cost of Israel's War on Children:

"Israeli police have been criticized over their treatment of hundreds of Palestinian children, some as young as seven, arrested and interrogated on suspicion of stone throwing in East Jerusalem.

"In the past year, criminal investigations have been opened against more than 1,200 Palestinian minors in Jerusalem on stone-throwing charges, according to police statistics gathered by the Association of Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI).

"That was nearly twice the number of children arrested last year in the much larger Palestinian territory of the West Bank.

"Most of the arrests have occurred in the Silwan district, close to Jerusalem's Old City, where 350 extremist Jewish settlers have set up several heavily guarded illegal enclaves among 50,000 Palestinian residents"

How many Arab children currently rot in Jew jails?

Why do US tax dollars fund organized child abuse.

Jonathon Cook

How many Jewish children have been murdered by Palestinian suicide bombers and rockets?

 

[docmauser1]

How many Jewish children have been murdered by Palestinian suicide bombers and rockets?

I'm most sure palisturdians blame their bad luck in it on jooz.

 

[docmauser1]

"Israeli police have been criticized over their treatment of hundreds of Palestinian children, some as young as seven, arrested and interrogated on suspicion of stone throwing in East Jerusalem.

What suspicion, ossifer? We all witnessed a palisturd, blocking traffik to get a money shot, who got hawled away in a Mitsubishi by the gents of the palisturdian security. Watching that was an entertainment, bth.."

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Cost of Israel's War on Children:

"Israeli police have been criticized over their treatment of hundreds of Palestinian children, some as young as seven, arrested and interrogated on suspicion of stone throwing in East Jerusalem.

"In the past year, criminal investigations have been opened against more than 1,200 Palestinian minors in Jerusalem on stone-throwing charges, according to police statistics gathered by the Association of Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI).

"That was nearly twice the number of children arrested last year in the much larger Palestinian territory of the West Bank.

"Most of the arrests have occurred in the Silwan district, close to Jerusalem's Old City, where 350 extremist Jewish settlers have set up several heavily guarded illegal enclaves among 50,000 Palestinian residents"

How many Arab children currently rot in Jew jails?

Why do US tax dollars fund organized child abuse.

Jonathon Cook

How many Jewish children have been murdered by Palestinian suicide bombers and rockets?

Children killed
TOTALS SINCE SEPT 2000:
Israelis: 124
Palestinians: 1452

Remember These Children

 

[docmauser1]

Children killed
TOTALS SINCE SEPT 2000:
Israelis: 124
Palestinians: 1452

A tribute to the arab rampant parental negligence, of course.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Children killed
TOTALS SINCE SEPT 2000:
Israelis: 124
Palestinians: 1452

A tribute to the arab rampant parental negligence, of course.

Palestinian children are killed in their own neighborhoods by foreign troops. What kind of parental neglect are you talking about?