The Dems' Desperation To Rewrite History

The question wasn't aimed at me, but yes.

We have freedom of association per the 1st Amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The government should not force people to associate against their will. Anyone who is stupid enough to deny their business to others is self-destructive, but the Constitution isn't there to protect an individual from himself.


Glad to see an honest enough conservative/libertarian that admits it's OK to discriminate, we need more of them like you

But YES the Constitution IS there to protect the minority from the majority!

The Constitution is there to protect individuals from government power. It is not there to force individuals to interact with each other. I can just as easily turn your argument back on you by claiming that the Antigay baker is a minority who needs to be protected from the PC majority (which is actually another minority). The the extent The Constitution protects a minority from the majority, it's along the lines of The Right To Be Left Alone.

In the area of rights, the simplest most basic purpose of the Consitution is to protect equal rights, The Constitution was never meant to endorse discrimination.

STFU with your totalitarian thought control. You have no authority to tell me what the Constitution means. There is no equal right to be liked. There is a human right to choose one's associations.

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Heart of Atlanta Motel v. United States , for ex...wasn't about "being liked."

Now you're appealing to law? Dred Scott was law. I suppose that Dred Scott settled the issue once and for all.

The battle for human rights is always ongoing. We will throw off the jackboot of liberal totalitarianism that is stopping on our throats.
 
The question wasn't aimed at me, but yes.

We have freedom of association per the 1st Amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The government should not force people to associate against their will. Anyone who is stupid enough to deny their business to others is self-destructive, but the Constitution isn't there to protect an individual from himself.


Glad to see an honest enough conservative/libertarian that admits it's OK to discriminate, we need more of them like you

But YES the Constitution IS there to protect the minority from the majority!

The Constitution is there to protect individuals from government power. It is not there to force individuals to interact with each other. I can just as easily turn your argument back on you by claiming that the Antigay baker is a minority who needs to be protected from the PC majority (which is actually another minority). The the extent The Constitution protects a minority from the majority, it's along the lines of The Right To Be Left Alone.

In the area of rights, the simplest most basic purpose of the Consitution is to protect equal rights, The Constitution was never meant to endorse discrimination.

STFU with your totalitarian thought control. You have no authority to tell me what the Constitution means. There is no equal right to be liked. There is a human right to choose one's associations.

....

Heart of Atlanta Motel v. United States , for ex...wasn't about "being liked."
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Heart of Atlanta Motel Inc. v. United States, 379 U.S. 241 (1964),[1] [2] was a landmark United States Supreme Court case holding that the U.S. Congress could use the power granted to it by the Constitution's Commerce Clause to force private businesses to abide by the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Heart of Atlanta Motel v. United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
 
Liberal or Conservative?
Wallace was a progressive.
/oops.
Bull Shit, Wallace was so Conservative he offered to run as VP with Goldwater.[/QUOTE]

I don't mean to be a bother but I did do a google search and failed to find evidence of what you posted. Would it be too much trouble to ask for your source? BTW did Wallace run with Goldwater?[/QUOTE]
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The 1964 unpledged elector slate[edit]

In 1964, Alabama Republicans stood to benefit from the unintended consequences of two developments: (1) Governor Wallace vacating the race for the Democratic presidential nomination against President Johnson, and (2) the designation of unpledged Democratic electors in Alabama, in effect removing President Johnson from the general election ballot. Prior to the 1964 Republican National Convention in San Francisco, Wallace and his aides Bill Jones and Seymore Trammell met in the Jefferson Davis Hotel in Montgomery with Alabama Republican leader James D. Martin, who had narrowly lost the U.S. Senate election in 1962 to J. Lister Hill. Wallace and his aides sought to determine if Barry M. Goldwater, the forthcoming GOP presidential nominee who as a senator from Arizona had voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 on libertarian and constitutional grounds, would advocate repeal of the law, particularly the public accommodations and equal employment sections. Bill Jones indicated that Wallace agreed with Goldwater's anti-communist stance but opposed the Republican's proposal to make Social Security a voluntary program. Jones stressed that Wallace had sacrificed his own presidential aspirations that year to allow a direct GOP challenge to President Johnson. It was later disclosed that Wallace proposed at the meeting with Martin to switch parties if he could be named as Goldwater's running-mate, a designation later given to U.S. Representative William E. Miller of New York. Goldwater reportedly rejected the overture because of Wallace's lack of strength outside the Deep South.[27]
George Wallace - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
 
No the Constitution ISN'T there to protect FROM ONLY Gov't power!

If you wife prefers to be examined by a female gynecologist can the government force her to be examined by a male gynecologist in order to prevent her from being a damn,dirty, disgusting sexual discriminator?


Good spin, NOTHING relevant to YOUR argument however. Try again

Entirely relevant. You can't counter it other than by crying "that's different."


Heck...why shouldn't the government choose our spouses for us? Isn't it discriminatory to prefer one person over another?
 
Glad to see an honest enough conservative/libertarian that admits it's OK to discriminate, we need more of them like you

But YES the Constitution IS there to protect the minority from the majority!

The Constitution is there to protect individuals from government power. It is not there to force individuals to interact with each other. I can just as easily turn your argument back on you by claiming that the Antigay baker is a minority who needs to be protected from the PC majority (which is actually another minority). The the extent The Constitution protects a minority from the majority, it's along the lines of The Right To Be Left Alone.

In the area of rights, the simplest most basic purpose of the Consitution is to protect equal rights, The Constitution was never meant to endorse discrimination.

STFU with your totalitarian thought control. You have no authority to tell me what the Constitution means. There is no equal right to be liked. There is a human right to choose one's associations.

....

Heart of Atlanta Motel v. United States , for ex...wasn't about "being liked."

Now you're appealing to law? Dred Scott was law. I suppose that Dred Scott settled the issue once and for all.

The battle for human rights is always ongoing. We will throw off the jackboot of liberal totalitarianism that is stopping on our throats.

The Constitution is law. Are you throwing the Constitution overboard?
 
The Constitution is there to protect individuals from government power. It is not there to force individuals to interact with each other. I can just as easily turn your argument back on you by claiming that the Antigay baker is a minority who needs to be protected from the PC majority (which is actually another minority). The the extent The Constitution protects a minority from the majority, it's along the lines of The Right To Be Left Alone.

In the area of rights, the simplest most basic purpose of the Consitution is to protect equal rights, The Constitution was never meant to endorse discrimination.

STFU with your totalitarian thought control. You have no authority to tell me what the Constitution means. There is no equal right to be liked. There is a human right to choose one's associations.

....

Heart of Atlanta Motel v. United States , for ex...wasn't about "being liked."

Now you're appealing to law? Dred Scott was law. I suppose that Dred Scott settled the issue once and for all.

The battle for human rights is always ongoing. We will throw off the jackboot of liberal totalitarianism that is stopping on our throats.

The Constitution is law. Are you throwing the Constitution overboard?


The fact that the Constitution is law hasn't stopped the Progs from trying to destroy it.


On Saturday, Donna Brazile, the vice-chair of voter registration and participation for the Democratic Party, said on Twitter that the United States needs to scrap its current Constitution and replace it in order to save American democracy. She linked to a Salon article that claims the current Constitution is "shaking in its boots."


"We need a new constitution," Brazile tweeted. "Here’s how we save American democracy from charlatans, loudmouths and the 1 percent."


DNC s Donna Brazile calls for new Constitution to save American democracy - National Policy Issues Examiner.com
 
No the Constitution ISN'T there to protect FROM ONLY Gov't power!

If you wife prefers to be examined by a female gynecologist can the government force her to be examined by a male gynecologist in order to prevent her from being a damn,dirty, disgusting sexual discriminator?

I love you how you people are taking the side of those the OP meant to attack.
 
Liberal or Conservative?
Wallace was a progressive.
/oops.
Bull Shit, Wallace was so Conservative he offered to run as VP with Goldwater.

I don't mean to be a bother but I did do a google search and failed to find evidence of what you posted. Would it be too much trouble to ask for your source? BTW did Wallace run with Goldwater?[/QUOTE]
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The 1964 unpledged elector slate[edit]

In 1964, Alabama Republicans stood to benefit from the unintended consequences of two developments: (1) Governor Wallace vacating the race for the Democratic presidential nomination against President Johnson, and (2) the designation of unpledged Democratic electors in Alabama, in effect removing President Johnson from the general election ballot. Prior to the 1964 Republican National Convention in San Francisco, Wallace and his aides Bill Jones and Seymore Trammell met in the Jefferson Davis Hotel in Montgomery with Alabama Republican leader James D. Martin, who had narrowly lost the U.S. Senate election in 1962 to J. Lister Hill. Wallace and his aides sought to determine if Barry M. Goldwater, the forthcoming GOP presidential nominee who as a senator from Arizona had voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 on libertarian and constitutional grounds, would advocate repeal of the law, particularly the public accommodations and equal employment sections. Bill Jones indicated that Wallace agreed with Goldwater's anti-communist stance but opposed the Republican's proposal to make Social Security a voluntary program. Jones stressed that Wallace had sacrificed his own presidential aspirations that year to allow a direct GOP challenge to President Johnson. It was later disclosed that Wallace proposed at the meeting with Martin to switch parties if he could be named as Goldwater's running-mate, a designation later given to U.S. Representative William E. Miller of New York. Goldwater reportedly rejected the overture because of Wallace's lack of strength outside the Deep South.[27]
George Wallace - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia[/QUOTE]
How does an offer like that make Wallace a conservative? That's just absurd.
 
In the area of rights, the simplest most basic purpose of the Consitution is to protect equal rights, The Constitution was never meant to endorse discrimination.

STFU with your totalitarian thought control. You have no authority to tell me what the Constitution means. There is no equal right to be liked. There is a human right to choose one's associations.

....

Heart of Atlanta Motel v. United States , for ex...wasn't about "being liked."

Now you're appealing to law? Dred Scott was law. I suppose that Dred Scott settled the issue once and for all.

The battle for human rights is always ongoing. We will throw off the jackboot of liberal totalitarianism that is stopping on our throats.

The Constitution is law. Are you throwing the Constitution overboard?


The fact that the Constitution is law hasn't stopped the Progs from trying to destroy it.


On Saturday, Donna Brazile, the vice-chair of voter registration and participation for the Democratic Party, said on Twitter that the United States needs to scrap its current Constitution and replace it in order to save American democracy. She linked to a Salon article that claims the current Constitution is "shaking in its boots."


"We need a new constitution," Brazile tweeted. "Here’s how we save American democracy from charlatans, loudmouths and the 1 percent."


DNC s Donna Brazile calls for new Constitution to save American democracy - National Policy Issues Examiner.com

Irrelevant, meaningless, and comical.
 
We all know that the political parties were different at the start of the 1960s than they are today. Geographically rooted in the South, the Democrats were a strange coalition of northern racial liberals and southern segregationists. The Republican Party was centered in the Midwest and Northeast and was, in the aggregate, far more racially liberal than the Democrats.

In just 8 years, the number of liberal Republicans in Congress fell by 75 percent and the number of conservative Republicans quintupled. The policy preferences of the two parties essentially flipped. As Democrats moved sharply left on matters of race, the GOP delegation moved even more dramatically in the opposite direction.

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Republicans had the nerve to try to take credit for taking out Bin Laden.

Is it any surprise Right Wingernut "Cons" would try to take credit for ending slavery?

Trying to take credit for things they didn't do is all they have.

When you think "Right Wing Conservative" you don't think of science or building things or education or inventions and so on. You think of suppression, lies, terror, war, blocking healthcare, discrimination, let him die and so on.
Well, Dumbass, the guys that shot his ass were SEALs and they don't vote Democrat. Not anymore. No since this shithead has been in office.
 
Glad to see an honest enough conservative/libertarian that admits it's OK to discriminate, we need more of them like you

But YES the Constitution IS there to protect the minority from the majority!

The Constitution is there to protect individuals from government power. It is not there to force individuals to interact with each other. I can just as easily turn your argument back on you by claiming that the Antigay baker is a minority who needs to be protected from the PC majority (which is actually another minority). The the extent The Constitution protects a minority from the majority, it's along the lines of The Right To Be Left Alone.

In the area of rights, the simplest most basic purpose of the Consitution is to protect equal rights, The Constitution was never meant to endorse discrimination.


You clearly have no idea what The Constitution is.

What? Still pining for the 3/5th clause?

You are disgusting. That is not at all what I said...but as usual, you leftwing loons put everything through a Racist Filter.

If you could think logically and consistently about the principles in The Constitution, you'd understand how Slavery is actually a violation of one's freedom of association.

Yeah. It's a violation of a whole lot more than that.

I am thunderstruck by the simplemindedness of your responses. I haven't had much interaction with you before...now I understand the previous comments I've read about you.

Yow.
 
Too funny by half.
"Too funny by half" is right. All of those people started voting Repub right after the passage of The Voting Rights Act waaay back in 1965.

Aren't you a Canadian? If so I can understand why you would be so ignorant of American history and why you lap of liberal propaganda.

Here's what you don't know:

If the parties had in some meaningful way flipped on civil rights, one would expect that to show up in the electoral results in the years following the Democrats’ 1964 about-face on the issue. Nothing of the sort happened: Of the 21 Democratic senators who opposed the 1964 act, only one would ever change parties. Nor did the segregationist constituencies that elected these Democrats throw them out in favor of Republicans: The remaining 20 continued to be elected as Democrats or were replaced by Democrats. It was, on average, nearly a quarter of a century before those seats went Republican. If southern rednecks ditched the Democrats because of a civil-rights law passed in 1964, it is strange that they waited until the late 1980s and early 1990s to do so.

The Democratic party split. Over time the GOP took over the conservative wing of the Democratic party and it effectively disappeared.

So what? Keep your eyes on the ball, boy.

Dot com claimed the following " All of those people started voting Repub right after the passage of The Voting Rights Act waaay back in 1965"

Simple question, is he right or wrong in making that claim?
My morning fix. Republicans still trying to convince the world that they are the real freedom lovers and friends of minorities. The posts one these forums dripping with hatred towards minorities and blacks that aren't walter williams clones are good evidence of the opposite feelings of republicans. All the efforts to stop early voting in places like Ohio, more evidence. The scorn towards blacks in Detroit that now can't pay their water bills. The blaming of people on welfare and other safety nets as the cause for America's economic woes and not one word about the freebies corporate america and the very wealthy get. Nice try repubs, but it appears the blacks and many ordinary working people aren't buying the crap you're peddling.
What you actually see is disgust with racial pandering that has kept people dependent with an entitlement mentality. Yes, there is scorn towards people who think they are entitled to free shit merely because they are breathing. Something you may not get.

Do you believe that a business should have the right to discriminate based on race? Do you believe that business should have the right to serve or not serve anyone, for any reason?


Yes, a business should be able to sell what they want to who they want...because it is a privately owned business...it is private property....Government, on the other hand can't discriminate...because it is public...
 
The Constitution is there to protect individuals from government power. It is not there to force individuals to interact with each other. I can just as easily turn your argument back on you by claiming that the Antigay baker is a minority who needs to be protected from the PC majority (which is actually another minority). The the extent The Constitution protects a minority from the majority, it's along the lines of The Right To Be Left Alone.

In the area of rights, the simplest most basic purpose of the Consitution is to protect equal rights, The Constitution was never meant to endorse discrimination.

STFU with your totalitarian thought control. You have no authority to tell me what the Constitution means. There is no equal right to be liked. There is a human right to choose one's associations.

....

Heart of Atlanta Motel v. United States , for ex...wasn't about "being liked."

Now you're appealing to law? Dred Scott was law. I suppose that Dred Scott settled the issue once and for all.

The battle for human rights is always ongoing. We will throw off the jackboot of liberal totalitarianism that is stopping on our throats.

The Constitution is law. Are you throwing the Constitution overboard?

Dred Scot was law. The Defense of Marriage Act was law.
 
No the Constitution ISN'T there to protect FROM ONLY Gov't power!

If you wife prefers to be examined by a female gynecologist can the government force her to be examined by a male gynecologist in order to prevent her from being a damn,dirty, disgusting sexual discriminator?

I love you how you people are taking the side of those the OP meant to attack.
Do you like George Bush? He's a humanitarian giant in Africa for his efforts to fight AIDS on that continent. A stopped clock gives the correct time twice per day.

Principles can be correct no matter who advocates for them. Respect for human rights trumps politics.

Stop fucking oppressing my human rights.
 
We all know that the political parties were different at the start of the 1960s than they are today. Geographically rooted in the South, the Democrats were a strange coalition of northern racial liberals and southern segregationists. The Republican Party was centered in the Midwest and Northeast and was, in the aggregate, far more racially liberal than the Democrats.

In just 8 years, the number of liberal Republicans in Congress fell by 75 percent and the number of conservative Republicans quintupled. The policy preferences of the two parties essentially flipped. As Democrats moved sharply left on matters of race, the GOP delegation moved even more dramatically in the opposite direction.

---------------------------------------------------------

Republicans had the nerve to try to take credit for taking out Bin Laden.

Is it any surprise Right Wingernut "Cons" would try to take credit for ending slavery?

Trying to take credit for things they didn't do is all they have.

When you think "Right Wing Conservative" you don't think of science or building things or education or inventions and so on. You think of suppression, lies, terror, war, blocking healthcare, discrimination, let him die and so on.


so...Bush gave Obama all the tools to find bin laden, got all the forces into Afghanistan, and all the policies that allowed the Intel community to actually find him...and Obama waits,weeks,once they found him and only under pressure from Clinton and pancetta finally gives the order...and he gets all the credit....

typical libs...
 
Liberal or Conservative?
Wallace was a progressive.
/oops.
Bull Shit, Wallace was so Conservative he offered to run as VP with Goldwater.

I don't mean to be a bother but I did do a google search and failed to find evidence of what you posted. Would it be too much trouble to ask for your source? BTW did Wallace run with Goldwater?[/QUOTE]
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The 1964 unpledged elector slate[edit]

In 1964, Alabama Republicans stood to benefit from the unintended consequences of two developments: (1) Governor Wallace vacating the race for the Democratic presidential nomination against President Johnson, and (2) the designation of unpledged Democratic electors in Alabama, in effect removing President Johnson from the general election ballot. Prior to the 1964 Republican National Convention in San Francisco, Wallace and his aides Bill Jones and Seymore Trammell met in the Jefferson Davis Hotel in Montgomery with Alabama Republican leader James D. Martin, who had narrowly lost the U.S. Senate election in 1962 to J. Lister Hill. Wallace and his aides sought to determine if Barry M. Goldwater, the forthcoming GOP presidential nominee who as a senator from Arizona had voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 on libertarian and constitutional grounds, would advocate repeal of the law, particularly the public accommodations and equal employment sections. Bill Jones indicated that Wallace agreed with Goldwater's anti-communist stance but opposed the Republican's proposal to make Social Security a voluntary program. Jones stressed that Wallace had sacrificed his own presidential aspirations that year to allow a direct GOP challenge to President Johnson. It was later disclosed that Wallace proposed at the meeting with Martin to switch parties if he could be named as Goldwater's running-mate, a designation later given to U.S. Representative William E. Miller of New York. Goldwater reportedly rejected the overture because of Wallace's lack of strength outside the Deep South.[27]
George Wallace - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia[/QUOTE]

"It was later disclosed that Wallace proposed at the meeting with Martin to switch parties if he could be named as Goldwater's running-mate,"


That would have made Wallace a GOPper -- and poor boedicchhheeea wouldn't be able to point to a picture with an arrow that says Wallace ---> "Democrat" and run with scissors and scream hey you history 'avissssionsionists!

Then we wouldn't have this revealing thread.

And what fun would that be?
 
Hmmmm...what happened when a Free market, republican like Reagan ran the country...what happened to African Americans...the attacks on Reagan by democrat totalitarian types is not unexpected...it is another big lie...

The good that Reagan did for black America The San Diego Union-Tribune

Indeed, Andrew Brimmer, the Harvard-trained black economist, the former Federal Reserve Board member, estimated that total black business receipts increased from $12.4 billion in 1982 to $18.1 billion in 1987, translating into an annual average growth rate of 7.9 percent (compared to 5 percent for all U.S. businesses.

The success of the black entrepreneurial class during the Reagan era was rivaled only by the gains of the black middle class.

In fact, black social scientist Bart Landry estimated that that upwardly mobile cohort grew by a third under Reagan's watch, from 3.6 million in 1980 to 4.8 million in 1988. His definition was based on employment in white-collar jobs as well as on income levels.

All told, the middle class constituted more than 40 percent of black households by the end of Reagan's presidency, which was larger than the size of black working class, or the black poor.

The impressive growth of the black middle class during the 1980s was attributable in no small part to the explosive growth of jobs under Reagan, which benefited blacks disproportionately.

Indeed, between 1982 and 1988, total black employment increased by 2 million, a staggering sum. That meant that blacks gained 15 percent of the new jobs created during that span, while accounting for only 11 percent of the working-age population.

Meanwhile, the black jobless rate was cut by almost half between 1982 and 1988. Over the same span, the black employment rate – the percentage of working-age persons holding jobs – increased to record levels, from 49 percent to 56 percent.

The black executive ranks especially prospered under Reagan. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission reported that the number of black managers and officers in corporations with 100 or more employees increased by 30 percent between 1980 and 1985.

During the same period, the number of black professionals increased by an astounding 63 percent.

The burgeoning of the black professional, managerial and executive ranks during the 1980s coincided with a steady growth of the black student population at the nation's colleges and universities in the 1980s.


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"It was later disclosed that Wallace proposed at the meeting with Martin to switch parties if he could be named as Goldwater's running-mate,"

Soooo...you are saying that wallace was a typical low life democrat, like bloomberg, who will switch party names simply for the quest for power...good that you realize that democrats like wallace and his heirs, obama and the clinton...see control over other people as the ultimate goal in their life...and they will do and say anything to get it...
 
That would have made Wallace a GOPper -- and poor boedicchhheeea wouldn't be able to point to a picture with an arrow that says Wallace ---> "Democrat" and run with scissors and scream hey you history 'avissssionsionists!

Do you have a clue how much this makes you look like a glue sniffer. You're arguing a hypothetical and then trying to belittle boedicca for some imagined reaction about revisionism while your entire hypothetical IS REVISIONISM.

Go back to the glue sniffing.
 
"Soooo...you are saying that wallace was a typical low life democrat, like bloomberg, who will switch party names simply for the quest for power..."

He said, after touting Reagan, who who switched party names in the quest for power....
 
JUST ONE POLICY CONSERVATIVES HAVE EVER BEEN ON THE CORRECT SIDE OF HISTORY ON? LOL

anti abortion, lower taxes, cutting government spending, fighting communists around the world, fighting terrorists around the world, anti slavery, anti klan, anti jim crow, civil rights...

Hmmm...all of those were, and are opposed by the democrat party...yesterday and today...
 

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