The downside of carrying a firearm...

[OODA_Loop]

Yes, because chlorine and hydrazine are so much less dangerous than guns.

When chlorine and hydrazine become and issue we can tighten those up to.

The only issue right now is your pathetic attempt to use fake science to justify your crusade against people who seek help.

Fake science.

Come on now.

The correlation is not fake.

 

[Bumberclyde]

after due process

Total strawman argument. Not everyone who uses a gun to commit a crime has a mental health problem. Anyone who thinks they need an assault weapon has a mental health problem though.

What about people who think they need a semiautomatic rifle?

After all what you call an assault rifle is really just a semiautomatic rifle with some cosmetic doodads on it.

BTW murders committed with rifles of any kind still amount to less than those committed with hands and feet or blunt objects and knives alone are used in almost 5 times more murders than rifles of any kind.

Deflecting and saying that more people catch a cold than get shot is totally irrelevant.
Nobody needs a semi-automatic weapon, only crazy people think they do.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

When chlorine and hydrazine become and issue we can tighten those up to.

The only issue right now is your pathetic attempt to use fake science to justify your crusade against people who seek help.

People who need help.

Don't need guns.

Because crazy people have no rights.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

When chlorine and hydrazine become and issue we can tighten those up to.

The only issue right now is your pathetic attempt to use fake science to justify your crusade against people who seek help.

Fake science.

Come on now.

The correlation is not fake.

Correlation is not science.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Total strawman argument. Not everyone who uses a gun to commit a crime has a mental health problem. Anyone who thinks they need an assault weapon has a mental health problem though.

What about people who think they need a semiautomatic rifle?

After all what you call an assault rifle is really just a semiautomatic rifle with some cosmetic doodads on it.

BTW murders committed with rifles of any kind still amount to less than those committed with hands and feet or blunt objects and knives alone are used in almost 5 times more murders than rifles of any kind.

Deflecting and saying that more people catch a cold than get shot is totally irrelevant.
Nobody needs a semi-automatic weapon, only crazy people think they do.

Only crazy people think only crazy people need a semi automatic weapon.

 

[OODA_Loop]

The only issue right now is your pathetic attempt to use fake science to justify your crusade against people who seek help.

People who need help.

Don't need guns.

Because crazy people have no rights.

Crazy people should not have a right to guns.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Why not ? Other drug use will do that ?

No it will not.

Sure it will.

Check you are user of certain drugs on the 4473 and come home empty handed.

And if one is indeed mentally ill, or taking certain drugs per your stipulations, and has not been adjudicated mentally ill or incompetent, and checks ‘no’ to questions 11 e and f, he’ll come home with a firearm.

Moreover, question 11 e asks if one is an ‘unlawful user’ of certain drugs; if one is taking drugs for his mental illness per a doctor’s orders, he is not an ‘unlawful user.’

 

[Quantum Windbag]

People who need help.

Don't need guns.

Because crazy people have no rights.

Crazy people should not have a right to guns.

Can you explain why someone who prefers to avoid crowds shouldn't have a gun?

 

[OODA_Loop]

No it will not.

Sure it will.

Check you are user of certain drugs on the 4473 and come home empty handed.

And if one is indeed mentally ill, or taking certain drugs per your stipulations, and has not been adjudicated mentally ill or incompetent, and checks ‘no’ to questions 11 e and f, he’ll come home with a firearm.

Moreover, question 11 e asks if one is an ‘unlawful user’ of certain drugs; if one is taking drugs for his mental illness per a doctor’s orders, he is not an ‘unlawful user.’

Right expand 11e pharmaceutical disqualifications. Amend GCA.

Call it:

Sane Firearms Owners Protection Act

 

[OODA_Loop]

Because crazy people have no rights.

Crazy people should not have a right to guns.

Can you explain why someone who prefers to avoid crowds shouldn't have a gun?

Are they taking one of the reuptake inhibitors or other drug with black box FDA warning ?

 

[Bumberclyde]

When chlorine and hydrazine become and issue we can tighten those up to.

The only issue right now is your pathetic attempt to use fake science to justify your crusade against people who seek help.

People who need help.

Don't need guns.

People with a low IQ shouldn't have guns either, or is it ok to be a retard and own a gun?

 

[OODA_Loop]

The only issue right now is your pathetic attempt to use fake science to justify your crusade against people who seek help.

People who need help.

Don't need guns.

People with a low IQ shouldn't have guns either, or is it ok to be a retard and own a gun?

Only if adjudicated mentally incompetent.

Which some are.

It is care giver decision.

I, as an FFL, would not sell to retarded person.

 

[Bumberclyde]

People who need help.

Don't need guns.

People with a low IQ shouldn't have guns either, or is it ok to be a retard and own a gun?

Only if adjudicated mentally incompetent.

Which some are.

Just make people pass an IQ test before buying a gun. That would eliminate 50% of the people! then eliminate all the drug and alcohol users. That'll do it.

 

[OODA_Loop]

People with a low IQ shouldn't have guns either, or is it ok to be a retard and own a gun?

Only if adjudicated mentally incompetent.

Which some are.

Just make people pass an IQ test before buying a gun. That would eliminate 50% of the people! then eliminate all the drug and alcohol users. That'll do it.

They must be able to fill out a 4473 and understand it .....that is IQ test enough.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Because everyone’s rights are inalienable, and cannot be preempted absent due process.

If one believes someone is mentally ill and shouldn’t be in possession of firearms, fine; but that must first be proven at hearing before a judge.

You can do things which forfeit your rights.

You can use controlled substances = no gun per GCA.

Add these drugs to controlled substances.

Done,

That doesn't make it right or Constitutional, a couple of things you don't give a shit about, just like your neighbors.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Because everyone’s rights are inalienable, and cannot be preempted absent due process.

If one believes someone is mentally ill and shouldn’t be in possession of firearms, fine; but that must first be proven at hearing before a judge.

You can do things which forfeit your rights.

You can use controlled substances = no gun per GCA.

Add these drugs to controlled substances.

Done,

That doesn't make it right or Constitutional, a couple of things you don't give a shit about, just like your neighbors.

It is Constitutional and in force.

On patrol, off my property with a CCW is not caring about your neighbors.

Its stupid

Ask George Zimmerman

 

[westwall]

People with a low IQ shouldn't have guns either, or is it ok to be a retard and own a gun?

Only if adjudicated mentally incompetent.

Which some are.

Just make people pass an IQ test before buying a gun. That would eliminate 50% of the people! then eliminate all the drug and alcohol users. That'll do it.

Sounds GREAT! I think you should have to pass a IQ test to vote too! And you have to own property as well. Property owners pay taxes while welfare people don't. That sounds like a GREAT idea.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Total strawman argument. Not everyone who uses a gun to commit a crime has a mental health problem. Anyone who thinks they need an assault weapon has a mental health problem though.

What about people who think they need a semiautomatic rifle?

After all what you call an assault rifle is really just a semiautomatic rifle with some cosmetic doodads on it.

BTW murders committed with rifles of any kind still amount to less than those committed with hands and feet or blunt objects and knives alone are used in almost 5 times more murders than rifles of any kind.

Deflecting and saying that more people catch a cold than get shot is totally irrelevant.
Nobody needs a semi-automatic weapon, only crazy people think they do.

So true. Given the state of the military art, what the individual needs, to fulfill their responsibility to sustain freedom, is a fully automatic rifle, preferrably chambered in a large caliber, minimally, third of an inch and charged to provide supersonic muzzle velocities... precisely accurate to a minimum of 500 yards.

Remember that the right stems from the responsibility to remain free, so as to be better able to fulfill one's life and destroying tyrannical governments requires top draw equipment. The 2nd amendment speaks to this where in its foundational basis, speaks to 'a well regulated militia'.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Only if adjudicated mentally incompetent.

Which some are.

Just make people pass an IQ test before buying a gun. That would eliminate 50% of the people! then eliminate all the drug and alcohol users. That'll do it.

Sounds GREAT! I think you should have to pass a IQ test to vote too! And you have to own property as well. Property owners pay taxes while welfare people don't. That sounds like a GREAT idea.

Indeed... it is absurd that those without property holdings, meaning people with no vested interest in the nation, beyond their being present, would ever be allowed anywhere near a voting booth.

This one change, alone, would increase prosperity across the board, by leaving political concerns to those who possess legitimate means to have 'concerns'.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

People who need help.

Don't need guns.

Because crazy people have no rights.

Crazy people should not have a right to guns.

True. I've long said that anyone who advocates for unsustainable notions, should be taken from the general population. Those sufficiently cognizant can be used as servants, given room and board, but those of insufficient cognitive means should be destroyed, with their remains fed to support livestock or fertilizer.

This way, the species remains viable, given the removal of the ideological left from the political equation.