The end of the 2nd Amendment

[westwall]

It nearly was.

Yeah, obummer got close, and xiden even closer.

 

[westwall]

Yes, in four countries.

All dictatorships begin with weapons bans. Going back to the Byzantine Empire.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Yes, in four countries.

 

[Abatis]

No, tyranny won't happen and guns won't be taken, just like nearly every other country on the planet. There's only four countries that banned guns. It's a case of having a different culture/orientation towards guns and realising that quite a few people can be an unsuitable character to own a gun and thus their application declined.

Your premise is grounded in the idea that the exercise and protection of an original, fundamental, fully retained right can be diminished or contracted and eventually eliminated by rescinding the constitutional provision recognizing and securing the right.

Those actions are tyranny.

As soon as the government usurps powers, it is no longer "the government established by the Constitution" . . . It is something else and the most succinct and respectful of founding principles descriptor of that condition and character in tyrannous.

 

[Abatis]

Yes, in four countries.

Yes, and yours is a good example.

The gun control in England was not instituted for crime control in the late 20th Century. It began long before that and it's true purpose was for political control.

Even Blackstone recognized that the real purpose of the laws restricting arms to only titled and landed aristocracy, and even more an affront, the game laws, was not really intended to protect hares and partridges, it was to keep commoners disarmed.

That your population of obedient, submissive cucks don't shoot each other now, isn't any endorsement of gun control as public policy to reduce crime, it is an example of the penetration and permanence of tyrannous statist absolutism.

The thought that America should or can have British authoritarian policy introduced here and reverse engineered into our culture and consciousness, when our history only demonstrates violent rejection of the philosophy and ejection of your ilk, is folly.

.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Yes, and yours is a good example.

The gun control in England.......

So four countries have banned guns and you say, "Yes, and yours is a good example". Then you say, "Gun control in England".

So are they banned or do we have gun control?

So far, 5 people think with the 2nd that future generations will want what past generations want. I don't think they realise how societies work and progress. Unfortunately, past generations don't call it progress. Past generations will be turning in their graves because of legalised gay marriage. And painful it may sound, the 2nd in America will eventually change with the "Right to bear arms" being scrapped. Having a Right stops Responsibility.

 

[woodwork201]

Eventually, America will scrap the 2nd Amendment. All the little steps to gun control and bigger steps with mass killings, it will eventually lead to the scrapping of the 2nd Amendment.

YES, WE ALL KNOW WHAT'S REQUIRED TO ALTER THE CONSTITUTION.

So when do you think this will happen? Would appreciate it if posters could control their emotions as Monarchies, wars, Limes and the size of Charles ' ears don't need to be dragged into this.

Also, no one is coming to take your guns and guns are not being banned, so no bravado required there. In addition, your government is not going tyrannical.

A more appropriate question would be when will the right to keep and bear arms end?

To which the answer is never, regardless of the 2nd Amendment.

 

[woodwork201]

You first

FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS apply

Not in the UK, ever, or under any circumstances unless they're legally inside the US embassy or consulate.

And on private property such as an Internet forum, well, not there ever or under any circumstances.

 

[woodwork201]

No, tyranny won't happen and guns won't be taken, just like nearly every other country on the planet. There's only four countries that banned guns. It's a case of having a different culture/orientation towards guns and realising that quite a few people can be an unsuitable character to own a gun and thus their application declined.

The tyranny is already here. That is certain. It's not to the levels discussed in the Declaration of Independence, not even close to those kinds of levels, but it's coming and that, also, is certain. Most likely not in my life time but it will happen.

Not because our government is worse than any other and not because even Joe Biden is that evil. It is just the certain history of every government in the history of mankind.

 

[woodwork201]

Yes, and yours is a good example.

The gun control in England was not instituted for crime control in the late 20th Century. It began long before that and it's true purpose was for political control.

Even Blackstone recognized that the real purpose of the laws restricting arms to only titled and landed aristocracy, and even more an affront, the game laws, was not really intended to protect hares and partridges, it was to keep commoners disarmed.

That your population of obedient, submissive cucks don't shoot each other now, isn't any endorsement of gun control as public policy to reduce crime, it is an example of the penetration and permanence of tyrannous statist absolutism.

The thought that America should or can have British authoritarian policy introduced here and reverse engineered into our culture and consciousness, when our history only demonstrates violent rejection of the philosophy and ejection of your ilk, is folly.

We rejected them 246 years ago and reject them today.

 

[woodwork201]

So four countries have banned guns and you say, "Yes, and yours is a good example". Then you say, "Gun control in England".

So are they banned or do we have gun control?

So far, 5 people think with the 2nd that future generations will want what past generations want. I don't think they realise how societies work and progress. Unfortunately, past generations don't call it progress. Past generations will be turning in their graves because of legalised gay marriage. And painful it may sound, the 2nd in America will eventually change with the "Right to bear arms" being scrapped. Having a Right stops Responsibility.

Once again, you prove you don't understand rights - a typical condition for Brits.

The right to keep and bear arms is inalienable. It is indistinguishable from the right to life. The right to life is meaningless if you can't defend your life from the first person who comes along and wants to take it.

They can repeal the 2nd Amendment. They can pass an amendment banning all civilian ownership of guns, and the right to keep and bear arms will still exist.

By the strength and force of their standing army and police state, they can mostly compel compliance to a constitutional ban on gun ownership but, still, the right to keep and bear arms will exist.

The right to keep and bear arms exists today in China, in North Korea, in every country on the earth. Every human being has that right. That many countries are successful in controlling the exercise of that right does not remove the right. The right to keep and bear arms is absolute and forever.

 

[westwall]

So four countries have banned guns and you say, "Yes, and yours is a good example". Then you say, "Gun control in England".

So are they banned or do we have gun control?

So far, 5 people think with the 2nd that future generations will want what past generations want. I don't think they realise how societies work and progress. Unfortunately, past generations don't call it progress. Past generations will be turning in their graves because of legalised gay marriage. And painful it may sound, the 2nd in America will eventually change with the "Right to bear arms" being scrapped. Having a Right stops Responsibility.

Actually, I think it is YOU who don't understand. The history of man for 99% of its history has been a two class system.

The ruling elite, and the serfs.

It has only been a couple of hundred of years that humanity has had a middle class.

The ruling elite hate the middle class. They have been trying to destroy the middle class ever since.

The first thing the elite MUST do to destroy the middle class is disarm them.

Gun control is the very definition of class warfare.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Once again, you prove you don't understand rights - a typical condition for Brits.

The right to keep and bear arms is inalienable. It is indistinguishable from the right to life. The right to life is meaningless if you can't defend your life from the first person who comes along and wants to take it.

They can repeal the 2nd Amendment. They can pass an amendment banning all civilian ownership of guns, and the right to keep and bear arms will still exist.

By the strength and force of their standing army and police state, they can mostly compel compliance to a constitutional ban on gun ownership but, still, the right to keep and bear arms will exist.

The right to keep and bear arms exists today in China, in North Korea, in every country on the earth. Every human being has that right. That many countries are successful in controlling the exercise of that right does not remove the right. The right to keep and bear arms is absolute and forever.

Alienable my backside. Americans don't understand Rights, others, and Responsibilities.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Actually, I think it is YOU who don't understand. The history of man for 99% of its history has been a two class system.

The ruling elite, and the serfs.

It has only been a couple of hundred of years that humanity has had a middle class.

The ruling elite hate the middle class. They have been trying to destroy the middle class ever since.

The first thing the elite MUST do to destroy the middle class is disarm them.

Gun control is the very definition of class warfare.

I don't know why this doesn't get through the skulls of Americans, maybe there's nothing between their ears to stop the information. Guns are not banned in the UK, the controls just make sure those who own them are suitable, and the types of guns are also suitable. And those who can be bothered to own them, own them.

Honestly, I don't know why you guys just keep coming out with this shit. What's wrong with you all?

 

[woodwork201]

Alienable my backside. Americans don't understand Rights, others, and Responsibilities.

That's why we dumped you. You'd probably have a greater appreciation for rights had we let you sit under the rule of the Germans for a decade or two.

But then, the West Germans elected an East German Communist to run the combined country so it's doubtful that a European can ever understand liberty.

 

[westwall]

I don't know why this doesn't get through the skulls of Americans, maybe there's nothing between their ears to stop the information. Guns are not banned in the UK, the controls just make sure those who own them are suitable, and the types of guns are also suitable. And those who can be bothered to own them, own them.

Honestly, I don't know why you guys just keep coming out with this shit. What's wrong with you all?

If you are a normal working class person you may not have weapons. You have to show cause to own one. Even if you get the permit, which is highly unlimely you can't keep it in your home.

The ruling elite, of course, are exempt from those laws. They can kerp whatever they want.

Well, guess what. Here in the States I am just as well armed as yoyr ruling elite, and I need not grovel for a permit for a gun that I can't even keep at home.

 

[woodwork201]

I don't know why this doesn't get through the skulls of Americans, maybe there's nothing between their ears to stop the information. Guns are not banned in the UK, the controls just make sure those who own them are suitable, and the types of guns are also suitable. And those who can be bothered to own them, own them.

Honestly, I don't know why you guys just keep coming out with this shit. What's wrong with you all?

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1029859/Statutory_Guidance_for_Firearms_Licensing_-_Final__Nov_2021_.pdf

If you use your gun to defend your own life, you're going to prison.

You cannot own a handgun or a semi-automatic rifle, not even a 4-round hunting rifle such as a Browning BAR.

Gun ownership is legally defined as a privilege in the UK.

Just because you can own it doesn't mean you have the rights as do Americans. They fool you into thinking you have the right to own guns but you don't. Do you know why they're successful in fooling you? Because you're a fool.

After a mass shooting in 2021 (geeze, how did that happen?) they tightened the medical requirements. Now the police maintain a relationship with the doctor of all gun owners, marking medical records as that of a gun owner and the doctor must report changes in medical condition to the police.

The police can inspect your home and your credit at will. They can require a drug or alcohol test on a gun owner at will.

They require complete disclosure of all your social media account information so they can check all of your social media activity. This, of course, explains Captain Caveman's participation in this thread: brownie points with his police chief.

You can be denied for having in the past been accused of but never charged, charged but never convicted, including explicit acquittal, of a non violent crime, let alone any violent crime.

You must keep your guns locked and unloaded in a gun cabinet. There are some options for not buying a safe but having to lock key components in a safe. In other words, in all cases, your gun is never available to you in a self-defense situation.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I picked 2041-2060. With another generation or two of scrubbed minds growing up, a couple dozen million foreigners granted citizenship and a few dozen million people who cherish our founding principles dying off, Franklin's warning will come true . . . The Republic will be lost and a democracy will be erected on its ruins and our original, retained rights will be surrendered for promises that will never be fulfilled.



The premise of your thread is the tyranny will come, rights will be usurped, guns will be taken.

That's the entire point isn't it, a leftist masturbatory fantasy of when your ultimate utopia will be realized . . .

I will be dead either way, by old age, or ........

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Your premise is grounded in the idea that the exercise and protection of an original, fundamental, fully retained right can be diminished or contracted and eventually eliminated by rescinding the constitutional provision recognizing and securing the right.

Those actions are tyranny.

As soon as the government usurps powers, it is no longer "the government established by the Constitution" . . . It is something else and the most succinct and respectful of founding principles descriptor of that condition and character in tyrannous.

And there are at least 75 million people who will not allow this country to rid itself of the Constitution.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Eventually, America will scrap the 2nd Amendment. All the little steps to gun control and bigger steps with mass killings, it will eventually lead to the scrapping of the 2nd Amendment.

YES, WE ALL KNOW WHAT'S REQUIRED TO ALTER THE CONSTITUTION.

So when do you think this will happen? Would appreciate it if posters could control their emotions as Monarchies, wars, Limes and the size of Charles ' ears don't need to be dragged into this.

Also, no one is coming to take your guns and guns are not being banned, so no bravado required there. In addition, your government is not going tyrannical.

"eventually, America will scrap the 2A"

C_Clayton gives it a thumbs up, but continues to claim that he does not want a complete ban and confiscation.

Do you see why we cannot trust these motherfuckers one goddamn inch?