The glaring evidence that Obamacare is a catastrophic FAILURE continues to mount

[dblack]

Oh shit, I'm being forced to purchase something that I should be responsible enough to purchase on my own. I take it you're not responsible enough to buy insurance on your own or to make certain you and your family are covered? That's the damn problem with cons who ascribe to self determination, self reliance, and self responsibility, and then support a person's right to be as irresponsible as possible. It's laughable.

I don't think you really understand the concept of responsibility. Responsibility is accepting the consequences of your decisions. Not paying for the privilege of avoiding them.

For those of you who "choose" not to purchase insurance, there isn't a huge consequence because you will likely still receive the care you need. The difference is that those of us who do pay for insurance will end up footing your bills. Now if you chose not to purchase insurance and the hospital could turn you away if you could not pay, that would work for me. They could tell you to go home and die because you weren't smart enough to pay for insurance or aren't wealthy enough to be self-insured. Those of you who support the idea that you should go without insurance because it costs too much are no better than those who live off of welfare and never try to find a job.

Ok, so if people could opt out of the individual mandate and the EMTALA provisions, you'd be ok with it? Because that's all we're really asking for.

 

[PMZ]

I don't think you really understand the concept of responsibility. Responsibility is accepting the consequences of your decisions. Not paying for the privilege of avoiding them.

For those of you who "choose" not to purchase insurance, there isn't a huge consequence because you will likely still receive the care you need. The difference is that those of us who do pay for insurance will end up footing your bills. Now if you chose not to purchase insurance and the hospital could turn you away if you could not pay, that would work for me. They could tell you to go home and die because you weren't smart enough to pay for insurance or aren't wealthy enough to be self-insured. Those of you who support the idea that you should go without insurance because it costs too much are no better than those who live off of welfare and never try to find a job.

Ok, so if people could opt out of the individual mandate and the EMTALA provisions, you'd be ok with it? Because that's all we're really asking for.

I don't see that as practical as people will not, not survive. Survival is hard wired into all of us. We'll not give up on life. I might make a decision today to not fund health care insurance. But faced with death, I'll do whatever I have to. And so will you.

 

[auditor0007]

I don't think you really understand the concept of responsibility. Responsibility is accepting the consequences of your decisions. Not paying for the privilege of avoiding them.

For those of you who "choose" not to purchase insurance, there isn't a huge consequence because you will likely still receive the care you need. The difference is that those of us who do pay for insurance will end up footing your bills. Now if you chose not to purchase insurance and the hospital could turn you away if you could not pay, that would work for me. They could tell you to go home and die because you weren't smart enough to pay for insurance or aren't wealthy enough to be self-insured. Those of you who support the idea that you should go without insurance because it costs too much are no better than those who live off of welfare and never try to find a job.

Ok, so if people could opt out of the individual mandate and the EMTALA provisions, you'd be ok with it? Because that's all we're really asking for.

I would have no problem with that. The only real problem is that we're not going to let you die if you get sick, whether you have insurance or not, and you know that. This is why a mandate is necessary.

 

[P@triot]

It is sad that this has to happen.

It's also sad that the GOP has convinced people of "death panels", "losing freedom" and all the other hysterical nonsense that you sheep believe, that have actually made you think you hate a law that is a Republican idea.

So yeah, it's sad that a campaign needs to be waged to combat such blatant misinformation.

Wait - let me get this straight - you believe you're not losing freedom under Obamacare [MENTION=23461]RDD_1210[/MENTION]?!?

The federal government now forces you to make a purchase. How is that not losing freedom in your mind? I can't wait to hear this absurd explanation.

By the way - "death panels" are a 100% certainty and now that they've passed Obamacare, the left has even admitted as much. Perhaps you need to wake up to reality? When the federal government has limited funds and unlimited health issues to address, they will have to decide who gets treatment and who doesn't (just like the do in Canada, just like they do in England, just like they do in <insert idiot socialized medicine nation here>, etc.).

You are one willfully ignorant buffoon, aren't you? Oh well, ignorance is bliss I guess...

Oh shit, I'm being forced to purchase something that I should be responsible enough to purchase on my own. I take it you're not responsible enough to buy insurance on your own or to make certain you and your family are covered? That's the damn problem with cons who ascribe to self determination, self reliance, and self responsibility, and then support a person's right to be as irresponsible as possible. It's laughable.

Who the fuck are you to decide for someone else what is the "responsible" thing for them to do in their life? A slightly arrogant asshole, are we?

At the end of the day, you can't justify your communism by pretending that you're all about self-reliance. You want communism because you're a fuck'n parasite and thus you want government to force me to provide for you. Freedom. Freedom to succeed. Freedom to fail. But always freedom.

 

[P@triot]

Once again selfish communists like PMZ celebrate their free shit while people die because of it...

She’s fighting stage-4 cancer. Her insurance was canceled. Now, she writes, “I worry how long I'll live.”

A Stage-4 Gallblader Cancer Survivor Says: I Am One of ObamaCare's Losers - WSJ.com

 

[RKMBrown]

The country and SCOTUS both made the mistake of picking your recommendation, Bush. That is not only where the $17T debt came from but also where we lost our one opportunity to become debt free.

The fact the Fox has its addicts believing Republicans are fiscally responsible is proof positive of the power of propaganda.

I voted against Bush 3 times. Once as governor, then twice for president. You sir are a stupid retard liar.

You are a conservative and so is he. Can't believe that you voted for Gore/Lieberman. Hmmmmm.

A "stupid retard liar". For what? I've taught you a lot.

Screw you, I would never vote for socialist communists ass holes like you & Gore. You've taught me nothing.

 

[RKMBrown]

The right to choose your own level of risk tolerance is freedom.

Let me ask you this, PMZ. If your justification for the mandate is your worry that someone is going to push their health care costs off on you, how about letting people opt out of both the mandate, and the provisions of EMTALA? Anyone who, at the end of the year, fails to meet the regulators minimum insurance requirements must either pay the fine as per ACA or forfeit their rights under EMTALA. Hospitals, if they wanted to take the hard line, would be free to refuse them service without payment up front.

Now, I know this wouldn't fly with the insurance industry lobbyists who wrote ACA, and I'm not really interested in discussing the details of actually implementing the policy, but I'm trying to understand your point of view. Would this sort of provision satisfy your concerns?

My experience is that even though people might choose lives of risk and choose to forfeit their EMTALA rights, they can't turn off their survival instinct. When push came to shove they'd dump the load on others most often through bankruptcy, but the alternative is crime.

That's sort of what I thought. This isn't about protecting your rights. It's about controlling other people.

BS he wants to cover his own ass to. He's retired with medicare and no income so could give a shit about current income earners & EMTALA.

 

[RKMBrown]

Oh shit, I'm being forced to purchase something that I should be responsible enough to purchase on my own. I take it you're not responsible enough to buy insurance on your own or to make certain you and your family are covered? That's the damn problem with cons who ascribe to self determination, self reliance, and self responsibility, and then support a person's right to be as irresponsible as possible. It's laughable.

I don't think you really understand the concept of responsibility. Responsibility is accepting the consequences of your decisions. Not paying for the privilege of avoiding them.

For those of you who "choose" not to purchase insurance, there isn't a huge consequence because you will likely still receive the care you need. The difference is that those of us who do pay for insurance will end up footing your bills. Now if you chose not to purchase insurance and the hospital could turn you away if you could not pay, that would work for me. They could tell you to go home and die because you weren't smart enough to pay for insurance or aren't wealthy enough to be self-insured. Those of you who support the idea that you should go without insurance because it costs too much are no better than those who live off of welfare and never try to find a job.

That is an absolute lie. There is no law prohibiting someone from paying their health care bills with cash or credit. Why do you think only insurance can pay for health care. Are you completely unaware of the concept of paying for what you buy directly?

 

[RKMBrown]

For those of you who "choose" not to purchase insurance, there isn't a huge consequence because you will likely still receive the care you need. The difference is that those of us who do pay for insurance will end up footing your bills. Now if you chose not to purchase insurance and the hospital could turn you away if you could not pay, that would work for me. They could tell you to go home and die because you weren't smart enough to pay for insurance or aren't wealthy enough to be self-insured. Those of you who support the idea that you should go without insurance because it costs too much are no better than those who live off of welfare and never try to find a job.

Ok, so if people could opt out of the individual mandate and the EMTALA provisions, you'd be ok with it? Because that's all we're really asking for.

I don't see that as practical as people will not, not survive. Survival is hard wired into all of us. We'll not give up on life. I might make a decision today to not fund health care insurance. But faced with death, I'll do whatever I have to. And so will you.

IOW you are a criminal who would not pay his bills if he did not already pre-pay them with insurance premiums.

 

[PMZ]

Ok, so if people could opt out of the individual mandate and the EMTALA provisions, you'd be ok with it? Because that's all we're really asking for.

I don't see that as practical as people will not, not survive. Survival is hard wired into all of us. We'll not give up on life. I might make a decision today to not fund health care insurance. But faced with death, I'll do whatever I have to. And so will you.

IOW you are a criminal who would not pay his bills if he did not already pre-pay them with insurance premiums.

Spoken like a true aristocrat.

Let them eat cake.

 

[PMZ]

I don't think you really understand the concept of responsibility. Responsibility is accepting the consequences of your decisions. Not paying for the privilege of avoiding them.

For those of you who "choose" not to purchase insurance, there isn't a huge consequence because you will likely still receive the care you need. The difference is that those of us who do pay for insurance will end up footing your bills. Now if you chose not to purchase insurance and the hospital could turn you away if you could not pay, that would work for me. They could tell you to go home and die because you weren't smart enough to pay for insurance or aren't wealthy enough to be self-insured. Those of you who support the idea that you should go without insurance because it costs too much are no better than those who live off of welfare and never try to find a job.

That is an absolute lie. There is no law prohibiting someone from paying their health care bills with cash or credit. Why do you think only insurance can pay for health care. Are you completely unaware of the concept of paying for what you buy directly?

I suppose if you escrow a million dollars in liquid assets you should be allowed to self insure.

 

[RKMBrown]

I don't see that as practical as people will not, not survive. Survival is hard wired into all of us. We'll not give up on life. I might make a decision today to not fund health care insurance. But faced with death, I'll do whatever I have to. And so will you.

IOW you are a criminal who would not pay his bills if he did not already pre-pay them with insurance premiums.

Spoken like a true aristocrat.

Let them eat cake.

Spoken like a criminal justifying his criminal acts on "the man."

 

[RKMBrown]

For those of you who "choose" not to purchase insurance, there isn't a huge consequence because you will likely still receive the care you need. The difference is that those of us who do pay for insurance will end up footing your bills. Now if you chose not to purchase insurance and the hospital could turn you away if you could not pay, that would work for me. They could tell you to go home and die because you weren't smart enough to pay for insurance or aren't wealthy enough to be self-insured. Those of you who support the idea that you should go without insurance because it costs too much are no better than those who live off of welfare and never try to find a job.

That is an absolute lie. There is no law prohibiting someone from paying their health care bills with cash or credit. Why do you think only insurance can pay for health care. Are you completely unaware of the concept of paying for what you buy directly?

I suppose if you escrow a million dollars in liquid assets you should be allowed to self insure.

Or some lower amount, or have some combination of liquid and hard assets against which liens can be placed, and buy "re-insurance" for catastrophic events.

 

[PMZ]

That is an absolute lie. There is no law prohibiting someone from paying their health care bills with cash or credit. Why do you think only insurance can pay for health care. Are you completely unaware of the concept of paying for what you buy directly?

I suppose if you escrow a million dollars in liquid assets you should be allowed to self insure.

Or some lower amount, or have some combination of liquid and hard assets against which liens can be placed, and buy "re-insurance" for catastrophic events.

We shouldn't have to pay lawyers to collect from anybody.

 

[RKMBrown]

I suppose if you escrow a million dollars in liquid assets you should be allowed to self insure.

Or some lower amount, or have some combination of liquid and hard assets against which liens can be placed, and buy "re-insurance" for catastrophic events.

We shouldn't have to pay lawyers to collect from anybody.

You heard it hear, folks, PMZ recommends we abandon invoicing, all bills must be paid up front and before services are rendered. lol No Trust, no credit, no checks, no payment when satisfied, no contracts, all consumer legal protections out the window.

 

[Barbarap]

Once again selfish communists like PMZ celebrate their free shit while people die because of it...

She’s fighting stage-4 cancer. Her insurance was canceled. Now, she writes, “I worry how long I'll live.”

A Stage-4 Gallblader Cancer Survivor Says: I Am One of ObamaCare's Losers - WSJ.com

And here's the rest if her story:
http://thinkprogress.org/health/201...or-story-cancer-patient-losing-doctors-wrong/

 

[PMZ]

Once again selfish communists like PMZ celebrate their free shit while people die because of it...

She’s fighting stage-4 cancer. Her insurance was canceled. Now, she writes, “I worry how long I'll live.”

A Stage-4 Gallblader Cancer Survivor Says: I Am One of ObamaCare's Losers - WSJ.com

And here's the rest if her story:
http://thinkprogress.org/health/201...or-story-cancer-patient-losing-doctors-wrong/

Who canceled her insurance?

 

[PMZ]

Or some lower amount, or have some combination of liquid and hard assets against which liens can be placed, and buy "re-insurance" for catastrophic events.

We shouldn't have to pay lawyers to collect from anybody.

You heard it hear, folks, PMZ recommends we abandon invoicing, all bills must be paid up front and before services are rendered. lol No Trust, no credit, no checks, no payment when satisfied, no contracts, all consumer legal protections out the window.

You've become truly loony.

 

[NLT]

My cost for employee furnished family health care just doubled BCBS. Fucking Obama and you stupid fucking liberals who voted for the cock sucker.

 

[RKMBrown]

We shouldn't have to pay lawyers to collect from anybody.

You heard it hear, folks, PMZ recommends we abandon invoicing, all bills must be paid up front and before services are rendered. lol No Trust, no credit, no checks, no payment when satisfied, no contracts, all consumer legal protections out the window.

You've become truly loony.

Then explain how your whimsical market system will work without using lawyers to collect from deadbeats, settle bankruptcy disputes etc.