The glaring evidence that Obamacare is a catastrophic FAILURE continues to mount

[PMZ]

My cost for employee furnished family health care just doubled BCBS. Fucking Obama and you stupid fucking liberals who voted for the cock sucker.

This is every bit as sensible as blaming government for rising gas prices.

Government mandates (ie Obamacare) and government taxes (because of Obamacare) have caused healthcare costs to skyrocket (just like the Dumbocrats intended). Don't pretend to be so stupid PMZ (I mean more than you actually are)...

Citing Obamacare, Cleveland Clinic to Cut $300M, Warns of Layoffs - US News and World Report

Cleveland Clinic announces job cuts to prepare for Obamacare | Reuters

Prestigious Cleveland Clinic Cuts $300M, Layoffs Loom Citing Obamacare | Ben Swann Truth In Media

World-Renowned Cleveland Clinic to Lay Off Thousands Due to Obamacare

You're proposing that hospitals cutting costs, first, makes costs go up, and second, was caused by insurance regulation.

There's some high quality thinking.

 

[dblack]

But 57-year-old Gail Roach told WTAE that she found a great deal by completing her application by phone instead of using the broken Healthcare.gov website.

Roach said that because of her pre-existing condition, her retirement health care had cost her $509 a month. After spending some time talking to a specialist, she was able to find a plan for just $70 a month.

“I couldn’t believe it, I just couldn’t believe it,” Roach recalled. “It was within my budget.”

However, the savings didn’t stop there. After tax credits and something called the Cost Sharing Benefit, Roach’s monthly premiums plummeted to just $1.11.

“I’m telling people that they need to look into this, they need to be patient about it,” she advised. “If you go on the website and you can’t get through the website, call the number that’s on the website and just be very patient because it’s very much worth it.”

Woman with Type 2 diabetes sees premiums plummet from $500 to $1 under Obamacare | The Raw Story

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EzOd2_kd7g]Pittsburgh woman finds incredible deal with Affordable Care Act - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0SnWEic4nk]Matthew Lesko's Free Government Money? - OFFICIAL VIDEO AD - YouTube[/ame]

 

[BDBoop]

But 57-year-old Gail Roach told WTAE that she found a great deal by completing her application by phone instead of using the broken Healthcare.gov website.

Roach said that because of her pre-existing condition, her retirement health care had cost her $509 a month. After spending some time talking to a specialist, she was able to find a plan for just $70 a month.

“I couldn’t believe it, I just couldn’t believe it,” Roach recalled. “It was within my budget.”

However, the savings didn’t stop there. After tax credits and something called the Cost Sharing Benefit, Roach’s monthly premiums plummeted to just $1.11.

“I’m telling people that they need to look into this, they need to be patient about it,” she advised. “If you go on the website and you can’t get through the website, call the number that’s on the website and just be very patient because it’s very much worth it.”

Woman with Type 2 diabetes sees premiums plummet from $500 to $1 under Obamacare | The Raw Story

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EzOd2_kd7g]Pittsburgh woman finds incredible deal with Affordable Care Act - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0SnWEic4nk]Matthew Lesko's Free Government Money? - OFFICIAL VIDEO AD - YouTube[/ame]

Changing the subject? SUPAR!

But your post does not negate mine.

 

[Ringel05]

But 57-year-old Gail Roach told WTAE that she found a great deal by completing her application by phone instead of using the broken Healthcare.gov website.

Roach said that because of her pre-existing condition, her retirement health care had cost her $509 a month. After spending some time talking to a specialist, she was able to find a plan for just $70 a month.

“I couldn’t believe it, I just couldn’t believe it,” Roach recalled. “It was within my budget.”

However, the savings didn’t stop there. After tax credits and something called the Cost Sharing Benefit, Roach’s monthly premiums plummeted to just $1.11.

“I’m telling people that they need to look into this, they need to be patient about it,” she advised. “If you go on the website and you can’t get through the website, call the number that’s on the website and just be very patient because it’s very much worth it.”

Woman with Type 2 diabetes sees premiums plummet from $500 to $1 under Obamacare | The Raw Story

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EzOd2_kd7g]Pittsburgh woman finds incredible deal with Affordable Care Act - YouTube[/ame]

Yeah but at what cost? I've been quietly watching and what I'm seeing is the middle class are the ones having their affordable health plans cancelled and offered plans three, four or five times more expensive then what they were paying. They can't afford it. Remember the middle class? The backbone of the American economy who the Dems claim to champion? Once again it appears a congress and a president has stuck it to them. The rich won't be affected, the poor will get health care and the government scammers will make millions. Millions of middle class families will pay the penalty and have no insurance because they make too much for assistance and can't afford what is being offered.
That's my prediction based on what I'm seeing.

 

[PMZ]

But 57-year-old Gail Roach told WTAE that she found a great deal by completing her application by phone instead of using the broken Healthcare.gov website.

Roach said that because of her pre-existing condition, her retirement health care had cost her $509 a month. After spending some time talking to a specialist, she was able to find a plan for just $70 a month.

“I couldn’t believe it, I just couldn’t believe it,” Roach recalled. “It was within my budget.”

However, the savings didn’t stop there. After tax credits and something called the Cost Sharing Benefit, Roach’s monthly premiums plummeted to just $1.11.

“I’m telling people that they need to look into this, they need to be patient about it,” she advised. “If you go on the website and you can’t get through the website, call the number that’s on the website and just be very patient because it’s very much worth it.”

Woman with Type 2 diabetes sees premiums plummet from $500 to $1 under Obamacare | The Raw Story

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EzOd2_kd7g]Pittsburgh woman finds incredible deal with Affordable Care Act - YouTube[/ame]

Yeah but at what cost? I've been quietly watching and what I'm seeing is the middle class are the ones having their affordable health plans cancelled and offered plans three, four or five times more expensive then what they were paying. They can't afford it. Remember the middle class? The backbone of the American economy who the Dems claim to champion? Once again it appears a congress and a president has stuck it to them. The rich won't be affected, the poor will get health care and the government scammers will make millions. Millions of middle class families will pay the penalty and have no insurance because they make too much for assistance and can't afford what is being offered.
That's my prediction based on what I'm seeing.

What feature of Obamacare insurance regulation do you believe would cause ''three, four or five times more expensive" insurance for the middle class?

 

[dblack]

Woman with Type 2 diabetes sees premiums plummet from $500 to $1 under Obamacare | The Raw Story

Pittsburgh woman finds incredible deal with Affordable Care Act - YouTube

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0SnWEic4nk]Matthew Lesko's Free Government Money? - OFFICIAL VIDEO AD - YouTube[/ame]

Changing the subject? SUPAR!

But your post does not negate mine.

I didn't say it did. I'm reaffirming what you're pointing out. You can win big with free government money!

 

[Ringel05]

Woman with Type 2 diabetes sees premiums plummet from $500 to $1 under Obamacare | The Raw Story

Pittsburgh woman finds incredible deal with Affordable Care Act - YouTube

Yeah but at what cost? I've been quietly watching and what I'm seeing is the middle class are the ones having their affordable health plans cancelled and offered plans three, four or five times more expensive then what they were paying. They can't afford it. Remember the middle class? The backbone of the American economy who the Dems claim to champion? Once again it appears a congress and a president has stuck it to them. The rich won't be affected, the poor will get health care and the government scammers will make millions. Millions of middle class families will pay the penalty and have no insurance because they make too much for assistance and can't afford what is being offered.
That's my prediction based on what I'm seeing.

What feature of Obamacare insurance regulation do you believe would cause ''three, four or five times more expensive" insurance for the middle class?

Because of reports I've seen on many of the news networks that more and more middle class individuals and families are loosing their coverage or being told their rates will in most cases double, triple or even quadruple.
(Oh I realized I typed five times as much, meant 2, 3 and 4 times. My bad.)

 

[PMZ]

Yeah but at what cost? I've been quietly watching and what I'm seeing is the middle class are the ones having their affordable health plans cancelled and offered plans three, four or five times more expensive then what they were paying. They can't afford it. Remember the middle class? The backbone of the American economy who the Dems claim to champion? Once again it appears a congress and a president has stuck it to them. The rich won't be affected, the poor will get health care and the government scammers will make millions. Millions of middle class families will pay the penalty and have no insurance because they make too much for assistance and can't afford what is being offered.
That's my prediction based on what I'm seeing.

What feature of Obamacare insurance regulation do you believe would cause ''three, four or five times more expensive" insurance for the middle class?

Because of reports I've seen on many of the news networks that more and more middle class individuals and families are loosing their coverage or being told their rates will in most cases double, triple or even quadruple.
(Oh I realized I typed five times as much, meant 2, 3 and 4 times. My bad.)

How much of that is rising health care costs?

How much will be recovered by falling medical bankruptcies due to better coverage?

What is the average middle class premium increase?

How much will hospitals save by fewer non emergency uses of e-books?

How much will be recovered by a healthier, more productive population and workforce.

Lots of questions.

 

[Ringel05]

What feature of Obamacare insurance regulation do you believe would cause ''three, four or five times more expensive" insurance for the middle class?

Because of reports I've seen on many of the news networks that more and more middle class individuals and families are loosing their coverage or being told their rates will in most cases double, triple or even quadruple.
(Oh I realized I typed five times as much, meant 2, 3 and 4 times. My bad.)

How much of that is rising health care costs?

How much will be recovered by falling medical bankruptcies due to better coverage?

What is the average middle class premium increase?

How much will hospitals save by fewer non emergency uses of e-books?

How much will be recovered by a healthier, more productive population and workforce.

Lots of questions.

The cancellations and increases are specifically due to the implication of the ACA.

If the burden (as it now appears to be shaking out) will fall on the shoulders of the middle class possibly resulting in an even greater rise in bankruptcies due to medical costs. Again, the general middle class is not in a position to take on higher costs.

What is the average premium increase? That's still to be determined, the increases are just beginning.

If more and more middle class people can't afford health insurance the rate of non emergency uses of e-books will probably remain unchanged.

Again the shift of cost burden to the middle class and resulting issues associated with it will not only not create a more productive population and workforce, it will have a resounding negative effect upon the economy.

Like you said, lots of questions. We'll see what happens, I still think it's going to have serious negative consequences but like I said, we'll see.

 

[PMZ]

Because of reports I've seen on many of the news networks that more and more middle class individuals and families are loosing their coverage or being told their rates will in most cases double, triple or even quadruple.
(Oh I realized I typed five times as much, meant 2, 3 and 4 times. My bad.)

How much of that is rising health care costs?

How much will be recovered by falling medical bankruptcies due to better coverage?

What is the average middle class premium increase?

How much will hospitals save by fewer non emergency uses of e-books?

How much will be recovered by a healthier, more productive population and workforce.

Lots of questions.

The cancellations and increases are specifically due to the implication of the ACA.

If the burden (as it now appears to be shaking out) will fall on the shoulders of the middle class possibly resulting in an even greater rise in bankruptcies due to medical costs. Again, the general middle class is not in a position to take on higher costs.

What is the average premium increase? That's still to be determined, the increases are just beginning.

If more and more middle class people can't afford health insurance the rate of non emergency uses of e-books will probably remain unchanged.

Again the shift of cost burden to the middle class and resulting issues associated with it will not only not create a more productive population and workforce, it will have a resounding negative effect upon the economy.

Like you said, lots of questions. We'll see what happens, I still think it's going to have serious negative consequences but like I said, we'll see.

ACA has no impact on the total cost of health care in the country. Right?

Same people except for the poor going to the Dr's instead of the emergency room.

I think a lot of what's going on are companies lowering compensation more by backing away from employer researched and subsidized health care insurance.

 

[Antares]

How much of that is rising health care costs?

How much will be recovered by falling medical bankruptcies due to better coverage?

What is the average middle class premium increase?

How much will hospitals save by fewer non emergency uses of e-books?

How much will be recovered by a healthier, more productive population and workforce.

Lots of questions.

The cancellations and increases are specifically due to the implication of the ACA.

If the burden (as it now appears to be shaking out) will fall on the shoulders of the middle class possibly resulting in an even greater rise in bankruptcies due to medical costs. Again, the general middle class is not in a position to take on higher costs.

What is the average premium increase? That's still to be determined, the increases are just beginning.

If more and more middle class people can't afford health insurance the rate of non emergency uses of e-books will probably remain unchanged.

Again the shift of cost burden to the middle class and resulting issues associated with it will not only not create a more productive population and workforce, it will have a resounding negative effect upon the economy.

Like you said, lots of questions. We'll see what happens, I still think it's going to have serious negative consequences but like I said, we'll see.

ACA has no impact on the total cost of health care in the country. Right?

Same people except for the poor going to the Dr's instead of the emergency room.

I think a lot of what's going on are companies lowering compensation more by backing away from employer researched and subsidized health care insurance.

Semantics.
God this is weak.

The ACA is responsible for the DRAMATIC rise in "INSURANCE" costs...get the fuck over yourself moron.

 

[PMZ]

The cancellations and increases are specifically due to the implication of the ACA.

If the burden (as it now appears to be shaking out) will fall on the shoulders of the middle class possibly resulting in an even greater rise in bankruptcies due to medical costs. Again, the general middle class is not in a position to take on higher costs.

What is the average premium increase? That's still to be determined, the increases are just beginning.

If more and more middle class people can't afford health insurance the rate of non emergency uses of e-books will probably remain unchanged.

Again the shift of cost burden to the middle class and resulting issues associated with it will not only not create a more productive population and workforce, it will have a resounding negative effect upon the economy.

Like you said, lots of questions. We'll see what happens, I still think it's going to have serious negative consequences but like I said, we'll see.

ACA has no impact on the total cost of health care in the country. Right?

Same people except for the poor going to the Dr's instead of the emergency room.

I think a lot of what's going on are companies lowering compensation more by backing away from employer researched and subsidized health care insurance.

Semantics.
God this is weak.

The ACA is responsible for the DRAMATIC rise in "INSURANCE" costs...get the fuck over yourself moron.

Where is that dramatic rise going to? And for what?

I think that the dramatic rise has been in Republican propaganda because they've alienated everyone but the cult.

 

[PMZ]

I think that there is still great confusion.

What costs is health care delivery.

There's no reason to expect, because of EMTALA, that there are any new patients in the system. The only thing different is where some are going. To the Dr and not to the emergency room.

The cost of health care delivery rises every year and this year is no exception.

Health care insurance is just a payment plan for healthcare delivery.

Obamacare is health care insurance regulation. It doesn't touch what costs. Health care delivery.

More and more employers are taking advantage of an over supplied labor market and funding less and less health care insurance just because they can.

 

[Antares]

ACA has no impact on the total cost of health care in the country. Right?

Same people except for the poor going to the Dr's instead of the emergency room.

I think a lot of what's going on are companies lowering compensation more by backing away from employer researched and subsidized health care insurance.

Semantics.
God this is weak.

The ACA is responsible for the DRAMATIC rise in "INSURANCE" costs...get the fuck over yourself moron.

Where is that dramatic rise going to? And for what?

I think that the dramatic rise has been in Republican propaganda because they've alienated everyone but the cult.

I have concluded that you are mentally challenged so I will indulge you.

It is going to pay for the health issues of everyone else.

It is called "wealth redistribution"....the single over riding "mandate" was the "pre-existing" mandate.

That in and of itself accounts for most of the increases.

Never mind the other 9.

Let me lay it out for you and Itz and Dante....I don't want the damn thing repealed, I've been able to help too many that need help...but I will not brook you little lying assholes that have no idea of whats really happening.

You want to know what's coming next?

Here it is.....

The website does not work...we have been sending in paper apps for the subsidies....they are at LEAST one month behind on those.....why is this important?

Because the people's policies term on 12/31...

Why is THAT important?

Because IF one qualifies for the subsidy they MUST be in the Marketplace system by 12/15 for said subsidy to kick in on Jan1....

Why is that important?

BECAUSE IF THOSE FOLKS AREN'T IN THE SYSTEM THEY WILL GET A DEDUCTION FOR JANUARY'S PREMIUM THAT IS TWICE WHAT THEY ARE EXPECTING RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS.

You fucking clueless people disgust me because you hve no fucking idea as to what you don't know.

 

[PMZ]

Semantics.
God this is weak.

The ACA is responsible for the DRAMATIC rise in "INSURANCE" costs...get the fuck over yourself moron.

Where is that dramatic rise going to? And for what?

I think that the dramatic rise has been in Republican propaganda because they've alienated everyone but the cult.

I have concluded that you are mentally challenged so I will indulge you.

It is going to pay for the health issues of everyone else.

It is called "wealth redistribution"....the single over riding "mandate" was the "pre-existing" mandate.

That in and of itself accounts for most of the increases.

Never mind the other 9.

Let me lay it out for you and Itz and Dante....I don't want the damn thing repealed, I've been able to help too many that need help...but I will not brook you little lying assholes that have no idea of whats really happening.

You want to know what's coming next?

Here it is.....

The website does not work...we have been sending in paper apps for the subsidies....they are at LEAST one month behind on those.....why is this important?

Because the people's policies term on 12/31...

Why is THAT important?

Because IF one qualifies for the subsidy they MUST be in the Marketplace system by 12/15 for said subsidy to kick in on Jan1....

Why is that important?

BECAUSE IF THOSE FOLKS AREN'T IN THE SYSTEM THEY WILL GET A DEDUCTION FOR JANUARY'S PREMIUM THAT IS TWICE WHAT THEY ARE EXPECTING RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS.

You fucking clueless people disgust me because you hve no fucking idea as to what you don't know.

Conservativism always boils down to conspiracy theory. Never fails. The boogeyman. Black helicopters. Monsters in the closet.

That's why they are paralyzed in the face of problems and when ever they do act they screw up things.

It's also why propaganda works so well on them.

 

[Antares]

That was harsh, I apologize.

But it is true.

 

[Antares]

Where is that dramatic rise going to? And for what?

I think that the dramatic rise has been in Republican propaganda because they've alienated everyone but the cult.

I have concluded that you are mentally challenged so I will indulge you.

It is going to pay for the health issues of everyone else.

It is called "wealth redistribution"....the single over riding "mandate" was the "pre-existing" mandate.

That in and of itself accounts for most of the increases.

Never mind the other 9.

Let me lay it out for you and Itz and Dante....I don't want the damn thing repealed, I've been able to help too many that need help...but I will not brook you little lying assholes that have no idea of whats really happening.

You want to know what's coming next?

Here it is.....

The website does not work...we have been sending in paper apps for the subsidies....they are at LEAST one month behind on those.....why is this important?

Because the people's policies term on 12/31...

Why is THAT important?

Because IF one qualifies for the subsidy they MUST be in the Marketplace system by 12/15 for said subsidy to kick in on Jan1....

Why is that important?

BECAUSE IF THOSE FOLKS AREN'T IN THE SYSTEM THEY WILL GET A DEDUCTION FOR JANUARY'S PREMIUM THAT IS TWICE WHAT THEY ARE EXPECTING RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS.

You fucking clueless people disgust me because you hve no fucking idea as to what you don't know.

Conservativism always boils down to conspiracy theory. Never fails. The boogeyman. Black helicopters. Monsters in the closet.

That's why they are paralyzed in the face of problems and when ever they do act they screw up things.

(sigh) This is what I do.

You not believing it changes nothing....it just is what it is.

Here is another truth PMZ, you have no knowledge of any of this, nothing.

You speculate, you hypothesize...and you simply scream "nuh-uh".

Prez Cracka lied.....THOUSANDS of plans are being cancelled because they were not grandfathered in and and the Preiums have gone throguh the roof.

You simply aren't capable of acknowledging the truth...and you demand that the narrative you've made up be true.

That isn't real and 2014 will not be good to you.

 

[PMZ]

I have concluded that you are mentally challenged so I will indulge you.

It is going to pay for the health issues of everyone else.

It is called "wealth redistribution"....the single over riding "mandate" was the "pre-existing" mandate.

That in and of itself accounts for most of the increases.

Never mind the other 9.

Let me lay it out for you and Itz and Dante....I don't want the damn thing repealed, I've been able to help too many that need help...but I will not brook you little lying assholes that have no idea of whats really happening.

You want to know what's coming next?

Here it is.....

The website does not work...we have been sending in paper apps for the subsidies....they are at LEAST one month behind on those.....why is this important?

Because the people's policies term on 12/31...

Why is THAT important?

Because IF one qualifies for the subsidy they MUST be in the Marketplace system by 12/15 for said subsidy to kick in on Jan1....

Why is that important?

BECAUSE IF THOSE FOLKS AREN'T IN THE SYSTEM THEY WILL GET A DEDUCTION FOR JANUARY'S PREMIUM THAT IS TWICE WHAT THEY ARE EXPECTING RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS.

You fucking clueless people disgust me because you hve no fucking idea as to what you don't know.

Conservativism always boils down to conspiracy theory. Never fails. The boogeyman. Black helicopters. Monsters in the closet.

That's why they are paralyzed in the face of problems and when ever they do act they screw up things.

(sigh) This is what I do.

You not believing it changes nothing....it just is what it is.

Here is another truth PMZ, you have no knowledge of any of this, nothing.

You speculate, you hypothesize...and you simply scream "nuh-uh".

Prez Cracka lied.....THOUSANDS of plans are being cancelled because they were not grandfathered in and and the Preiums have gone throguh the roof.

You simply aren't capable of acknowledging the truth...and you demand that the narrative you've made up be true.

That isn't real and 2014 will not be good to you.

A simple, simple question. Where is the money from all of these premium increases going to? And for what?

 

[Ringel05]

How much of that is rising health care costs?

How much will be recovered by falling medical bankruptcies due to better coverage?

What is the average middle class premium increase?

How much will hospitals save by fewer non emergency uses of e-books?

How much will be recovered by a healthier, more productive population and workforce.

Lots of questions.

The cancellations and increases are specifically due to the implication of the ACA.

If the burden (as it now appears to be shaking out) will fall on the shoulders of the middle class possibly resulting in an even greater rise in bankruptcies due to medical costs. Again, the general middle class is not in a position to take on higher costs.

What is the average premium increase? That's still to be determined, the increases are just beginning.

If more and more middle class people can't afford health insurance the rate of non emergency uses of e-books will probably remain unchanged.

Again the shift of cost burden to the middle class and resulting issues associated with it will not only not create a more productive population and workforce, it will have a resounding negative effect upon the economy.

Like you said, lots of questions. We'll see what happens, I still think it's going to have serious negative consequences but like I said, we'll see.

ACA has no impact on the total cost of health care in the country. Right?

Same people except for the poor going to the Dr's instead of the emergency room.

I think a lot of what's going on are companies lowering compensation more by backing away from employer researched and subsidized health care insurance.

The insurance companies, because certain consumer protections were not included in the law, are using the ACA as an excuse to drop customers and increase rates so yes, indirectly ACA will dramatically impact the cost of healthcare in this country. Not in a positive way.

When you don't have insurance they go to free clinics or the ER....... with the uninsured moving from the poor to the middle class what makes you think that will change?

Again what's happening is the insurance industry is cutting costs and increasing profits by severely increasing rates for ACA mandated coverage to help cover the (supposed) cost of providing cheaper (equal) coverage for the poor. In the mean time they'll rape the government for as much money as they can scam out of them for the coverage to the poor. Anyone who didn't see this coming lives in lala land.

So basically (in my informed opinion) the ACA will eventually have the exact opposite effect as it was claimed to have.

No don't get me wrong. I've been for reforming the insurance industry for a long time but I knew that when the government gets involved in something this big, not with regulation but actual hands on, it was a huge costly mistake from the get go.

 

[Antares]

I am in the middle of this thing.

I to date have made 6000 dollars extra because of the ACA....

....and I am telling you of its failings.....the people have no choice but to buy these plans....they are all that there are to buy....and I listen to them justify to themselves why they have to buy.