The GOP's socialist scare

[sealybobo]

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Oh you can feel it. The energy is there. Blacks young people and women. Biden was losing support among these people. You can tell America is going to have our first female president.

LOL. Yesterday a guy said "do you really think she can take on Putin?" I told him I trust her more than I do Trump. I don't trust Trump alone in a room with Putin and in fact that's never happened until Trump. Every president takes an interpreter or someone else with them. Trump and Putin had private 1 on 1 meetings. Unheard of. I bet he had private meetings with the Saudi's too then they gave Jared $2 billion dollars.

Did Trump and Putin plan the Ukraine war? Trump threatened Ukraine "dig up dirt on Biden or else". They didn't do it. Is Putin their punishment? Trump runs the government like a mafia boss.

 

[HikerGuy83]

The United States Constitution doesn't explicitly mention the right to privacy, but the Supreme Court has found that several amendments imply privacy rights:

• Fourth Amendment: Protects against unreasonable searches
  
  
• Fifth Amendment: Provides the right against self-incrimination, which can justify protecting private information
  
  
• First Amendment: Can protect the privacy of the home

In the 1965 landmark case Griswold v. Connecticut, the Supreme Court found that the Constitution creates a "zone of privacy" when you take the penumbras of these amendments together. The court used this implied right to privacy to establish the freedom of individuals to use contraception without government interference. The court has also used the right to privacy to justify decisions in other cases affecting civil liberties, such as Roe v. Wade, which found that a woman's choice to have an abortion is a fundamental personal decision that deserves privacy protection.

It doesn't exist.

Being implied means William O. Douglas reached behind him and pulled it out of his ass.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Oh you can feel it. The energy is there. Blacks young people and women. Biden was losing support among these people. You can tell America is going to have our first female president.

LOL. Yesterday a guy said "do you really think she can take on Putin?" I told him I trust her more than I do Trump. I don't trust Trump alone in a room with Putin and in fact that's never happened until Trump. Every president takes an interpreter or someone else with them. Trump and Putin had private 1 on 1 meetings. Unheard of. I bet he had private meetings with the Saudi's too then they gave Jared $2 billion dollars.

Did Trump and Putin plan the Ukraine war? Trump threatened Ukraine "dig up dirt on Biden or else". They didn't do it. Is Putin their punishment? Trump runs the government like a mafia boss.

Your on screen orgams are funny to watch.

The energy is there ? Yeah, the energy that says, we can't handle the truth so we want government to change reality.

Welcome to Russia.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Oh you can feel it. The energy is there. Blacks young people and women. Biden was losing support among these people. You can tell America is going to have our first female president.

As of this morning. Polls are already showing a slip.

 

[sealybobo]

There is no governmental right to our private lives in the Constitution.

That means we just have it.

unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor.
"freedom of religion, the most inalienable of all human rights"

Inalienable.

I can't believe Republicans don't think we have the right to privacy, just because it wasn't mentioned in the constitution. Does it have to be spelled out?

The right to privacy seems inalienable. Although I do see where law enforcement can ask you for ID and you don't have the right to deny them. You must show ID or you can be detained. Right? So really you don't have an absolute right to privacy other wise you could tell a cop no when they ask you for ID


In some states, you're not required to show identification unless you're driving a vehicle and the police officer has reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime or a traffic violation. For example, in Michigan, passengers in a vehicle can refuse to show identification if the police don't have reasonable suspicion that they have committed a crime.

God Bless Michigan

 

[HikerGuy83]

There is no governmental right to our private lives in the Constitution.

That means we just have it.

You thought you did, anyway.

 

[pknopp]

Your on screen orgams are funny to watch.

The energy is there ? Yeah, the energy that says, we can't handle the truth so we want government to change reality.

Welcome to Russia.

You are the one arguing the government has a right to control our private lives.

 

[sealybobo]

Your on screen orgams are funny to watch.

The energy is there ? Yeah, the energy that says, we can't handle the truth so we want government to change reality.

Welcome to Russia.

You snowflakes are flailing with this welcome to Russia crap.

If you want a Putin type leader, vote for Trump. Not Sees.

 

[Anathema]

Do you think I want to have a conservative person in my life who's a political snowflake?

Good. Otherwise you’d be a hypocrite.,

I'm so fucking glad you guys are going to lose this one. Did you feel the energy last night? It felt like Trump's convention right after a deep state globalist gun nut RINO tried to take him out. Wind at your backs. It wasn't if you were going to win but by how much. Wha happened? Maybe you shouldn't have pointed out how old Biden was. He'd still be our nominee

Be careful what you wish for. When ballots don’t work C4 very well may, and we’re better shots thst your 20 year old deranged child.

If Trump wants, he can pull a Biden and make JD the head of the ticket. And Nikki the VP. I should shut up. That might steal our MOJOmentum

I couldn’t care less. I’m not voting for either of them. I’m writing in my own name. Just like I did 4 years ago.

 

[pknopp]

unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor.
"freedom of religion, the most inalienable of all human rights"

Inalienable.

I can't believe Republicans don't think we have the right to privacy, just because it wasn't mentioned in the constitution. Does it have to be spelled out?

The right to privacy seems inalienable. Although I do see where law enforcement can ask you for ID and you don't have the right to deny them. You must show ID or you can be detained. Right?

not without a valid right to do so. In general i dont even have to have an I.D. to show them.

So really you don't have an absolute right to privacy other wise you could tell a cop no when they ask you for ID

You can unless they can state a valid rEason for it.

In some states, you're not required to show identification unless you're driving a vehicle and the police officer has reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime or a traffic violation. For example, in Michigan, passengers in a vehicle can refuse to show identification if the police don't have reasonable suspicion that they have committed a crime.

God Bless Michigan

In all states.

 

[sealybobo]

Good. Otherwise you’d be a hypocrite.,

Be careful what you wish for. When ballots don’t work C4 very well may, and we’re better shots thst your 20 year old deranged child.

I couldn’t care less. I’m not voting for either of them. I’m writing in my own name. Just like I did 4 years ago.

Yea right liar. You're voting for Trump. If you live in a swing state.

And I love Republican SNOWFLAKES threatening civil war. Why? Because gays are allowed to marry? Because women want the right to abortion? Get over those things. The complete takeover isn't going to happen. With your nutty supreme's who are owned by billionaires. Vergogna to you sir.

Because of price controls? Sorry, government regulates industry. Even in Capitalism. Educate yourself. No such thing as a free market. Government sets the rules. Is the ultimate referee. You are brainwashed by corporate/racist media.

 

[HikerGuy83]

You snowflakes are flailing with this welcome to Russia crap.

If you want a Putin type leader, vote for Trump. Not Sees.

Is he talking price controls ?

 

[sealybobo]

Is he talking price controls ?

Sometimes you have to threaten corporate price gougers and break up monopolies. What would you do? Remember Trump threatened Harley Davidson with tariffs?

 

[bendog]

Given Trump and tariffs, imo he's actually more likely to try this kind of nonsense that Harris, whose simply pandering the the progs. Hopefully it works better this time than in 2020.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

EVERY Republican I talk to says SHE'S A COMMUNIST. LOL. Just because she mentioned price controls. So Republicans stand with the corporate gougers who hire illegals and won't pay employees what they are worth.

“Crime will keep coming down when we put a prosecutor in the oval office instead of a convicted felon.”

Warnock, who is also a pastor, noted the $60 “God Bless the USA” Bible that Trump has been hawking.
“He should try reading it,” Warnock said, then quoted a few lines of scripture that Trump isn’t exactly known for following:

“Kamala locked up murderers and drug traffickers. She will never rest in defense of our freedom and safety,” Clinton said. “Donald Trump fell asleep at his own trial ― and when he woke up, he made his own kind of history: the first person to run for president with 34 felony convictions.”

“America, looking at the two choices before you, who would you hire: Donald Trump or Kamala Harris?” she asked the crowd. “Kamala Harris has a resume. Donald Trump has a rap sheet. She presides over the Senate, while he keeps our national secrets next to his thinking chair.”
Cases of sensitive documents were found at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, including some next to a toilet:

“JD Vance, do you understand why there was a sudden job opening for running mate on the GOP ticket? They tried to kill your predecessor.”

The UAW filed unfair labor practice charges against Trump and Tesla CEO Elon Musk after a conversation in which the two spoke positively about firing workers who are on strike.

I stopped reading at your first sentence. You shouldn't expect, nor do you deserve more than that, because you lied right out of the gate.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I can't believe how many white people I know who think Trump is the lesser of two evils.

And I LOVE it when my Republican friends realize they can't get me vote for Trump, suddenly they tell me they are big HUGE RFK Jr. supporters and that's who they are going to vote for.

Liars.

Sure they do, kid.

 

[sealybobo]

I stopped reading at your first sentence. You shouldn't expect, nor do you deserve more than that, because you lied right out of the gate.

Have fun losing with Trump. But don't worry. Your precious corporations still have a lot of power within our goverment.

Just don't try telling me the GOP isn't the party for the rich.

 

[Anathema]

Yea right liar. You're voting for Trump. If you live in a swing state

No I’m not. I’m in Massachusetts. My vote is irrelevant anyway, so I get the option to vote my conscience as I did in 2020.

And I love Republican SNOWFLAKES threatening civil war. Why? Because gays are allowed to marry? Because women want the right to abortion? Get over those things. The complete takeover isn't going to happen. With your nutty supreme's who are owned by billionaires. Vergogna to you sir

Because we’ve been at war since 1861. The War of Northern Aggression never ended, it just went underground.

Because of price controls? Sorry, government regulates industry. Even in Capitalism. Educate yourself. No such thing as a free market. Government sets the rules. Is the ultimate referee. You are brainwashed by corporate/racist media

It shouldn’t regulate industry. The Federal Government should not be involved in anything not directly related to the seventeen specific items in Article I, Section 8. So if the business isn’t interstate, the government should have no say in it.

 

[whitehall]

Labels like socialist, fascist and communist don't scare the left because that's where they are.

 

[sealybobo]

No I’m not. I’m in Massachusetts. My vote is irrelevant anyway, so I get the option to vote my conscience as I did in 2020.

Because we’ve been at war since 1861. The War of Northern Aggression never ended, it just went underground.

It shouldn’t regulate industry. The Federal Government should not be involved in anything not directly related to the seventeen specific items in Article I, Section 8. So if the business isn’t interstate, the government should have no say in it.

Glad to hear you are in MA.

Glad you admit the GOP is the racist party. That the southern strategy is real. That if we were to go back to then, you'd be a Democrat.

Can you explain the last part? What do you mean the government shouldn't regulate industry? Of course it should.

Governments provide a stable currency to make markets possible. They provide a legal infrastructure and court systems to enforce the contracts that make markets possible. They provide educated workforces through public education, and those workers show up at their places of business after traveling on public roads, rails, or airways provided by government. Businesses that use the "free market" are protected by police and fire departments provided by government, and send their communications - from phone to fax to internet - over lines that follow public rights-of-way maintained and protected by government.

And, most important, the rules of the game of business are defined by government. Any sports fan can tell you that football, baseball, or hockey without rules and referees would be a mess. Similarly, business without rules won't work.

Which explains why conservative economics wiped out the middle class during the period from 1880 to 1932, and why, when Reagan again began applying conservative economics, the middle class again began to vanish in America in the 1980s - a process that has dramatically picked up steam under George W. Bush.

The conservative mantra is "let the market decide." But there is no market independent of government, so what they're really saying is, "Stop government from defending workers and building a middle class, and let the corporations decide how much to pay for labor and how to trade." This is, at best, destructive to national and international economies, and, at worst, destructive to democracy itself.

Markets are a creation of government, just as corporations exist only by authorization of government. Governments set the rules of the market. And, since our government is of, by, and for We The People, those rules have historically been set to first maximize the public good resulting from people doing business.

If you want to play the game of business, we've said in the US since 1784 (when Tench Coxe got the first tariffs passed "to protect domestic industries") then you have to play in a way that both makes you money AND serves the public interest.

Which requires us to puncture the second balloon of popular belief. The "middle class" is not the natural result of freeing business to do whatever it wants, of "free and open markets," or of "free trade." The "middle class" is not a normal result of "free markets." Those policies will produce a small but powerful wealthy class, a small "middle" mercantilist class, and a huge and terrified worker class which have traditionally been called "serfs."

The middle class is a new invention of liberal democracies, the direct result of governments defining the rules of the game of business. It is, quite simply, an artifact of government regulation of markets and tax laws.

When government sets the rules of the game of business in such a way that working people must receive a living wage, labor has the power to organize into unions just as capital can organize into corporations, and domestic industries are protected from overseas competition, a middle class will emerge. When government gives up these functions, the middle class vanishes and we return to the Dickens-era "normal" form of totally free market conservative economics where the rich get richer while the working poor are kept in a constant state of fear and anxiety so the cost of their labor will always be cheap.

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