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Jesus also said judgment is for the afterlife... not for men to judge others. He was fairly specific on the subject, no?
And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck. 43If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.[c] 45And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell.[d] 47And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out.
5"It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law," Jesus replied. 6"But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.'[a] 7'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8and the two will become one flesh.'[c] So they are no longer two, but one. 9Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
10When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this. 11He answered, "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. 12And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."
Its funny how you non-Christian liberals think you're so smart when you start quoting the bible.
Here's a few more verse for you to ponder over:
And how about Jesus on marriage and adultry?
You still think Jesus is a liberal? He wouldnt even allow a woman to remarry.
And For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh, notice he doesn't say man will be united to his wife or husband...
No one is talking about final Judgement. And to my knowlege, it has mostly to do with belief in Jesus, not so much the sins one has commited. And yes, that certainly is up to Jesus in the End :clap1:
Your first quote was about CAUSING others to sin.... It doesn't apply to not judging, which is what we were discussing.
Jillian, if I may please interject. The very famous command "Judge not, lest you too be judged," is also one of the most abused. The rest of the passage talks about removing the plank from your own eye so that you can remove the speck in someone else's eye. In other words, Jesus is speaking against hypocritical judging, not judgment altogether. In fact, in another passage, Jesus commands, "Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment." (John 7:24)
Of course you can interject! I appreciate your input and certainly never claimed expertise, though the topic interests me.
Now...first, you understand that I don't see the Bible as a literal document and, frankly, the NT isn't my Book. I'll assume your interpretation to be correct, but I have this question. If we take as fact that the admonition was against hypocritical judging, then who's determination is it as to whether the person judging is hypocritical or not?
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I don't think you're stupid in any way. You just come across as pissed off all the time...
I understand where you're coming from (I think
Who determines whether judgment is hypocritical? Well, I would say that if you are admonishing someone for their behavior/views, and doing the same thing yourself, that's hypocritical judgment. So if I chided you for speeding down the freeway, when I speed myself, that would fit the definition. I'm sure that one could hide his hypocrisy pretty well, but that doesn't make them unhypocritical.
Your first quote was about CAUSING others to sin.... It doesn't apply to not judging, which is what we were discussing.
As for your post about marriage, it was in the context of a discussion about a man and woman... it has nothing to do with homosexuality. And his comments on divorce, while interesting, are in accordance with Jewish law at the time.
Do you believe one can't be divorced?
Wow, you are more delusional than I thought. "It has nothing to do with homosexuality" LOL, no shit, because he clearly states that a man will marry a woman. But in your delusional mind that leaves the door open for a man to marry a man. And what in the hell does being in accordance with Jewish law at the time have to do with anything? As if Jesus would have a different view on the subject if the Jews allowed divorce and remarriage at the time?
I mean seriously Jillian, do you honestly believe Jesus would approve homosexuality as a moral act?
Fair enough on that end and with a fairly uncomplicated fact-pattern. But... what about a situation where one judges the morality of another lacking in a more general way? For example, say person A chastizes person B for general immorality... you know, as was done to me a little while because, of course, you know, "liberals" can't be moral. Right? Yet, assume that person supports governmental positions which I find morally repugnant, such as leaving our poorest and weakest and oldest without a safety net. Isn't that more complicated fact-pattern why Jesus says that people shouldn't be passing judgment? And didn't he say he who is without sin should throw the first stone?
Jillian, every person I know who quotes that verse to support a "you can't judge sin" argument, forgets(?) the subsequent absolutely key statement by Jesus. His final words to the adulteress? "Go, and sin no more". Jesus did not use the situation to tell us that we cannot or should not abhor sin.
Fair enough. But to that end, doesn't it seem like saying "go and sin no more" is an instruction for governing one's persoanal behavior as opposed to judging someone else's?
Not necessarily. We are to "call people out" on their sins, if you will to keep them from sin:
"Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ." (Galatians 6:1-2)
Fair enough. But to that end, doesn't it seem like saying "go and sin no more" is an instruction for governing one's persoanal behavior as opposed to judging someone else's?
Yet another tried and tired argument by the liberals: 'CONSERVATIVES WANT TO KILL THE POOR'! What a whack job!
Isn't there something in the NT too about airing dirty laundry or something? The only reason I ask is because I've seen Christians do that many times. They accuse each other of violating some rule that says Christians shouldn't judge other Christians in public. Something like that.
Oh, I forgot one classic liberal poster quality: The accusation that the other guy is angry. This is one of the best comebacks liberals use because it's impossible to defend against. And they really believe it, too, so like other reactions liberals have to ideas they don't like, it allows them to further demonize their adversary by simply dismissing any opinion that person has by claiming they're irrational because they're "pissed off".
Trust me, Dr. Grump. When I get pissed off, you'll know it.
