The lefts ideas are soothing, but the policies are a disaster!

[Wyatt earp]

equal protection of the law is an entitlement. why not solve simple poverty on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States?

I have a solution to poverty. Garner some skills worth a better financial gain.

You don't solve poverty by giving people something in an amount more than they can earn. They have no incentive to work if you give them more than they could ever make working.

actually, yes, we do. unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed, solves simple poverty. it has to do with capitalism and ensuring capital circulates, not a work ethic.

No it doesn't it fosters dependence and no one wants to hire anyone with long term unemployment issues.


It tells us they are a lazy whinny fuck


.

 

[danielpalos]

the one that actually solves our capital problems in a fine capital manner, instead of making lousy social excuses.

What is the name of that type of Capitalism??????

it could be called, State Capitalism.

You mean socialism made to appear as if it's not socialism?

doesn't matter to me; i have an argument and don't need to appeal to emotions.

State capitalism merely means States use capitalism for capital intensive purposes.

Your argument is the socialism mindset of gimme, gimme, gimme. That's OK. All you're doing is admitting you CAN'T do for yourself.

Only the right wing, is that cognitively dissonant. Henry Ford, the Capitalist, doubled autoworker wages not minimum wages and introduced, the efficiency wage and realized gains from efficiency.

Your argument is a capital mindset of slackers who are are too brain addled by corporate welfare and tax holidays, to make like real Capitalists.

Socialism requires a work ethic, even from the Age of Iron.

 

[danielpalos]

equal protection of the law is an entitlement. why not solve simple poverty on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States?

I have a solution to poverty. Garner some skills worth a better financial gain.

You don't solve poverty by giving people something in an amount more than they can earn. They have no incentive to work if you give them more than they could ever make working.

actually, yes, we do. unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed, solves simple poverty. it has to do with capitalism and ensuring capital circulates, not a work ethic.

No it doesn't it fosters dependence and no one wants to hire anyone with long term unemployment issues.


It tells us they are a lazy whinny fuck


.

capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment; any other fantasies you want to try to sell.

 

[Conservative65]

What is the name of that type of Capitalism??????

it could be called, State Capitalism.

You mean socialism made to appear as if it's not socialism?

doesn't matter to me; i have an argument and don't need to appeal to emotions.

State capitalism merely means States use capitalism for capital intensive purposes.

Your argument is the socialism mindset of gimme, gimme, gimme. That's OK. All you're doing is admitting you CAN'T do for yourself.

Only the right wing, is that cognitively dissonant. Henry Ford, the Capitalist, doubled autoworker wages not minimum wages and introduced, the efficiency wage and realized gains from efficiency.

Your argument is a capital mindset of slackers who are are too brain addled by corporate welfare and tax holidays, to make like real Capitalists.

Socialism requires a work ethic, even from the Age of Iron.

Work ethic and socialism are polar opposites.

 

[RASTAMEN]

it could be called, State Capitalism.

You mean socialism made to appear as if it's not socialism?

doesn't matter to me; i have an argument and don't need to appeal to emotions.

State capitalism merely means States use capitalism for capital intensive purposes.

Your argument is the socialism mindset of gimme, gimme, gimme. That's OK. All you're doing is admitting you CAN'T do for yourself.

Only the right wing, is that cognitively dissonant. Henry Ford, the Capitalist, doubled autoworker wages not minimum wages and introduced, the efficiency wage and realized gains from efficiency.

Your argument is a capital mindset of slackers who are are too brain addled by corporate welfare and tax holidays, to make like real Capitalists.

Socialism requires a work ethic, even from the Age of Iron.

Work ethic and socialism are polar opposites.

The military will beg to differ with you.

 

[Dragonlady]

some on the left believe in merely simplifying Government to lower our Tax burden.

It works everywhere else in the world. American Conservatives want programs to fail, so they attach so much administration to the programs that they're inefficient, expensive, and so niggardly that they didn't do the job they were intended to do. Food stamps being a prime example.

Americans are supposed to be the "can do" nation. You went to the moon, but your health care system spends 1/3 of your health care $$$ on administration. My government pays less than 10% of it's health care $$$ on administration. Some European nations have it down to 5%. No first world nation except the US spends more than 10% on administration.

That's because insurance companies fight to retain every premium dollar they can. And in doing so, they don't care how much money they spend.

 

[Dragonlady]

it could be called, State Capitalism.

You mean socialism made to appear as if it's not socialism?

doesn't matter to me; i have an argument and don't need to appeal to emotions.

State capitalism merely means States use capitalism for capital intensive purposes.

Your argument is the socialism mindset of gimme, gimme, gimme. That's OK. All you're doing is admitting you CAN'T do for yourself.

Only the right wing, is that cognitively dissonant. Henry Ford, the Capitalist, doubled autoworker wages not minimum wages and introduced, the efficiency wage and realized gains from efficiency.

Your argument is a capital mindset of slackers who are are too brain addled by corporate welfare and tax holidays, to make like real Capitalists.

Socialism requires a work ethic, even from the Age of Iron.

Work ethic and socialism are polar opposites.

Your ignorance knows no bounds. According to you countries like Canada, Norway, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and Germany, which are highly socialized countries should be slacker heaven, with our cradle to the grave social programs. Instead, these countries have happier, healthier, and more upwardly mobile populations than the United States.

Your country is going down the tubes with infighting and selfishness. When you all pulled together, and helped one another, the rising tide raised all boats. Since Reagan, the upper classes are pushing the working poor out of the boat.

 

[Conservative65]

You mean socialism made to appear as if it's not socialism?

doesn't matter to me; i have an argument and don't need to appeal to emotions.

State capitalism merely means States use capitalism for capital intensive purposes.

Your argument is the socialism mindset of gimme, gimme, gimme. That's OK. All you're doing is admitting you CAN'T do for yourself.

Only the right wing, is that cognitively dissonant. Henry Ford, the Capitalist, doubled autoworker wages not minimum wages and introduced, the efficiency wage and realized gains from efficiency.

Your argument is a capital mindset of slackers who are are too brain addled by corporate welfare and tax holidays, to make like real Capitalists.

Socialism requires a work ethic, even from the Age of Iron.

Work ethic and socialism are polar opposites.

The military will beg to differ with you.

The military isn't socialism.

 

[Conservative65]

You mean socialism made to appear as if it's not socialism?

doesn't matter to me; i have an argument and don't need to appeal to emotions.

State capitalism merely means States use capitalism for capital intensive purposes.

Your argument is the socialism mindset of gimme, gimme, gimme. That's OK. All you're doing is admitting you CAN'T do for yourself.

Only the right wing, is that cognitively dissonant. Henry Ford, the Capitalist, doubled autoworker wages not minimum wages and introduced, the efficiency wage and realized gains from efficiency.

Your argument is a capital mindset of slackers who are are too brain addled by corporate welfare and tax holidays, to make like real Capitalists.

Socialism requires a work ethic, even from the Age of Iron.

Work ethic and socialism are polar opposites.

Your ignorance knows no bounds. According to you countries like Canada, Norway, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and Germany, which are highly socialized countries should be slacker heaven, with our cradle to the grave social programs. Instead, these countries have happier, healthier, and more upwardly mobile populations than the United States.

Your country is going down the tubes with infighting and selfishness. When you all pulled together, and helped one another, the rising tide raised all boats. Since Reagan, the upper classes are pushing the working poor out of the boat.

The freeloaders in this county that live on cradle to grave social welfare programs are happy. They're getting for nothing what the rest of us are willing and are capable of earning.

Nothing selfish about the person earning it wanting to keep it. There damn sure is plenty of selfishness by those thinking they have any claim to anything someone else earned.

Since LBJ, the poor have wanted to ride the boat but not do their part to make it run.

 

[imawhosure]

You mean socialism made to appear as if it's not socialism?

doesn't matter to me; i have an argument and don't need to appeal to emotions.

State capitalism merely means States use capitalism for capital intensive purposes.

Your argument is the socialism mindset of gimme, gimme, gimme. That's OK. All you're doing is admitting you CAN'T do for yourself.

Only the right wing, is that cognitively dissonant. Henry Ford, the Capitalist, doubled autoworker wages not minimum wages and introduced, the efficiency wage and realized gains from efficiency.

Your argument is a capital mindset of slackers who are are too brain addled by corporate welfare and tax holidays, to make like real Capitalists.

Socialism requires a work ethic, even from the Age of Iron.

Work ethic and socialism are polar opposites.

Your ignorance knows no bounds. According to you countries like Canada, Norway, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and Germany, which are highly socialized countries should be slacker heaven, with our cradle to the grave social programs. Instead, these countries have happier, healthier, and more upwardly mobile populations than the United States.

Your country is going down the tubes with infighting and selfishness. When you all pulled together, and helped one another, the rising tide raised all boats. Since Reagan, the upper classes are pushing the working poor out of the boat.

doesn't matter to me; i have an argument and don't need to appeal to emotions.

State capitalism merely means States use capitalism for capital intensive purposes.

Your argument is the socialism mindset of gimme, gimme, gimme. That's OK. All you're doing is admitting you CAN'T do for yourself.

Only the right wing, is that cognitively dissonant. Henry Ford, the Capitalist, doubled autoworker wages not minimum wages and introduced, the efficiency wage and realized gains from efficiency.

Your argument is a capital mindset of slackers who are are too brain addled by corporate welfare and tax holidays, to make like real Capitalists.

Socialism requires a work ethic, even from the Age of Iron.

Work ethic and socialism are polar opposites.

Your ignorance knows no bounds. According to you countries like Canada, Norway, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and Germany, which are highly socialized countries should be slacker heaven, with our cradle to the grave social programs. Instead, these countries have happier, healthier, and more upwardly mobile populations than the United States.

Your country is going down the tubes with infighting and selfishness. When you all pulled together, and helped one another, the rising tide raised all boats. Since Reagan, the upper classes are pushing the working poor out of the boat.

The freeloaders in this county that live on cradle to grave social welfare programs are happy. They're getting for nothing what the rest of us are willing and are capable of earning.

Nothing selfish about the person earning it wanting to keep it. There damn sure is plenty of selfishness by those thinking they have any claim to anything someone else earned.

Since LBJ, the poor have wanted to ride the boat but not do their part to make it run.

What Dragon doesn't tell you is----->who basically protects these countries! Let them protect themselves and have to do defense spending, and watch how fast they are broke. These countries are the welfare queens of the world!

Ask yourselves, who saved their asses in WWII? They were sooooooooooo formidable, the Nazis rolled right over them like wet tissue paper. Who won the cold war for them? Why do YOU PEOPLE think Trump is talking about other countries ponying up some more cash! The only think between these countries today and a Russian garrot is the United States.

Yep, yep, they want protection, pony up some cash! And if ya don't want protection, then become a satellite of Russia. It ought to be ok with ya though, since you love socialism so much....you will fit right in-)

 

[Wyatt earp]

Lefty narrative! You tell everyone on this board, what percentage is fair! Tell them-) Do you know what percentage Americans would have to pay to keep your crazy schemes afloat, lol.

You people can not govern, period! Look at Ocare....transfer 700 billion, 6 years later, el broko! Typical lefty program, and then you demand that Trump and the Repubs fix it! Why in the hell didn't your guys fix it, lol!

taxing the rich into Heaven by solving simple poverty is fair and moral.

Since when do YOU get to decide what is fair and moral? Who made you king!

i am merely echoing the teachings of Jesus the Christ. what is your excuse?

Jesus never used the government to force people to do anything. You're echoing what you learned by sticking you head up a lefty's asshole.

Screw Jesus and God!!!! You conservatives ALL go running to the god dam bible to try and win your point view........that is so fucking archaic!!!! FREEDOM FROM RELIGION--FREEDOM FOR RELIGION. The U.S. is not M.E. TALIBAN RELIGIOUS COUNTRY!!!!

You stupid pin head..


It is not freedom from religion


It is fucking freedom of religion


Learn the god damn difference

.

 

[danielpalos]

it could be called, State Capitalism.

You mean socialism made to appear as if it's not socialism?

doesn't matter to me; i have an argument and don't need to appeal to emotions.

State capitalism merely means States use capitalism for capital intensive purposes.

Your argument is the socialism mindset of gimme, gimme, gimme. That's OK. All you're doing is admitting you CAN'T do for yourself.

Only the right wing, is that cognitively dissonant. Henry Ford, the Capitalist, doubled autoworker wages not minimum wages and introduced, the efficiency wage and realized gains from efficiency.

Your argument is a capital mindset of slackers who are are too brain addled by corporate welfare and tax holidays, to make like real Capitalists.

Socialism requires a work ethic, even from the Age of Iron.

Work ethic and socialism are polar opposites.

nope. you merely don't understand the concepts. socialism may require a work ethic. capitalism requires voluntary social transactions that involve mutually beneficial trade.

 

[danielpalos]

doesn't matter to me; i have an argument and don't need to appeal to emotions.

State capitalism merely means States use capitalism for capital intensive purposes.

Your argument is the socialism mindset of gimme, gimme, gimme. That's OK. All you're doing is admitting you CAN'T do for yourself.

Only the right wing, is that cognitively dissonant. Henry Ford, the Capitalist, doubled autoworker wages not minimum wages and introduced, the efficiency wage and realized gains from efficiency.

Your argument is a capital mindset of slackers who are are too brain addled by corporate welfare and tax holidays, to make like real Capitalists.

Socialism requires a work ethic, even from the Age of Iron.

Work ethic and socialism are polar opposites.

The military will beg to differ with you.

The military isn't socialism.

it is outright communism. only the right wing, never gets it.

 

[danielpalos]

doesn't matter to me; i have an argument and don't need to appeal to emotions.

State capitalism merely means States use capitalism for capital intensive purposes.

Your argument is the socialism mindset of gimme, gimme, gimme. That's OK. All you're doing is admitting you CAN'T do for yourself.

Only the right wing, is that cognitively dissonant. Henry Ford, the Capitalist, doubled autoworker wages not minimum wages and introduced, the efficiency wage and realized gains from efficiency.

Your argument is a capital mindset of slackers who are are too brain addled by corporate welfare and tax holidays, to make like real Capitalists.

Socialism requires a work ethic, even from the Age of Iron.

Work ethic and socialism are polar opposites.

Your ignorance knows no bounds. According to you countries like Canada, Norway, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and Germany, which are highly socialized countries should be slacker heaven, with our cradle to the grave social programs. Instead, these countries have happier, healthier, and more upwardly mobile populations than the United States.

Your country is going down the tubes with infighting and selfishness. When you all pulled together, and helped one another, the rising tide raised all boats. Since Reagan, the upper classes are pushing the working poor out of the boat.

The freeloaders in this county that live on cradle to grave social welfare programs are happy. They're getting for nothing what the rest of us are willing and are capable of earning.

Nothing selfish about the person earning it wanting to keep it. There damn sure is plenty of selfishness by those thinking they have any claim to anything someone else earned.

Since LBJ, the poor have wanted to ride the boat but not do their part to make it run.

what a coincidence. Jesus the Christ said the same thing about rich, and how they are going to need social welfare, to get into Heaven.

 

[Dragonlady]

nope. you merely don't understand the concepts. socialism may require a work ethic. capitalism requires voluntary social transactions that involve mutually beneficial trade.

Unfettered capitalism gives all of the power to the employer. The employees have to work to live, so they can be bullied and threatened to take the least amount of money possible, to endure the worst conditions, because without an income, their situation becomes precarious. Unions came about because of abuses by the employers - especially as it relates to work hours, conditions, and safety issues.

Unions built the American middle class, improved income and benefits, and kept income current with rates of inflation. Were all of the union leaders good guys - no. There was some corruption and abuses (see Teamsters Union), but by and large, unions did a lot of good for the American worker.

Reagan and the Republicans began the destruction of unions which continues to this day, as Republicans have used legislation to undermine unions, and corporations have used union busting activities without repercussions. Now, unions are pretty much gone. only 15% of US workers are unionized, and most of them are in the public sector.

As unions have declined, so have wages (in relation to the cost of living), workers' rights, and health and safety conditions. Corporations are now pretty much free to abuse employees at will, and then ship their jobs to Asia, if they don't like it.

 

[danielpalos]

It is one aim of the left, to use the Nurture of socialism to abolish "wage slavery" in the US.

 

[imawhosure]

It is one aim of the left, to use the Nurture of socialism to abolish "wage slavery" in the US.

PHONY! It is the aim of the left, to use socialism to control the citizenry, just like they have done in every country that socialism has been in vogue for a reasonable period of time!

 

[danielpalos]

It is one aim of the left, to use the Nurture of socialism to abolish "wage slavery" in the US.

PHONY! It is the aim of the left, to use socialism to control the citizenry, just like they have done in every country that socialism has been in vogue for a reasonable period of time!

too late for that; we already have a mixed market economy.

 

[Conservative65]

You mean socialism made to appear as if it's not socialism?

doesn't matter to me; i have an argument and don't need to appeal to emotions.

State capitalism merely means States use capitalism for capital intensive purposes.

Your argument is the socialism mindset of gimme, gimme, gimme. That's OK. All you're doing is admitting you CAN'T do for yourself.

Only the right wing, is that cognitively dissonant. Henry Ford, the Capitalist, doubled autoworker wages not minimum wages and introduced, the efficiency wage and realized gains from efficiency.

Your argument is a capital mindset of slackers who are are too brain addled by corporate welfare and tax holidays, to make like real Capitalists.

Socialism requires a work ethic, even from the Age of Iron.

Work ethic and socialism are polar opposites.

nope. you merely don't understand the concepts. socialism may require a work ethic. capitalism requires voluntary social transactions that involve mutually beneficial trade.

Socialism involves taking from those that actually work and hand it to those, for nothing, that don't have a work ethic.

 

[Conservative65]

Your argument is the socialism mindset of gimme, gimme, gimme. That's OK. All you're doing is admitting you CAN'T do for yourself.

Only the right wing, is that cognitively dissonant. Henry Ford, the Capitalist, doubled autoworker wages not minimum wages and introduced, the efficiency wage and realized gains from efficiency.

Your argument is a capital mindset of slackers who are are too brain addled by corporate welfare and tax holidays, to make like real Capitalists.

Socialism requires a work ethic, even from the Age of Iron.

Work ethic and socialism are polar opposites.

The military will beg to differ with you.

The military isn't socialism.

it is outright communism. only the right wing, never gets it.

If you think so, you're the one that doesn't get it. You likely never will, dumbass.