The Electoral College is as outdated as the 2nd Amendment

[justoffal]

Presidents should be elected based on national popular votes - not electoral votes based on acreage and just rubber-stamped by partisans!

Popular vote - not acres!

In each state, whichever party garners a majority of popular votes, regardless of how narrow the margin, wins all the electoral votes. By forcing residents in each state ultimately to vote as a block, the system is supposed to ensure that small states' interests are not drowned out by those of larger states.

U.S. Electoral Vote Map

Nah....you're actually full of it. Look at the map. The high population areas already have the advantage. How do you not see this? You're asking the individual states to basically surrender their borders...
Shoo....shoo....nasty smelling collectivist!

 

[justoffal]

California only has 55 electoral votes. However, all states should just shut the fuck up when someone wins the national popular vote!

A better solution would be to district out the Electoral votes so that they can be parsed by region. California would never allow this because they enjoy being the bully on the block. If that happened up to 20 of those ECV's would go to the GOP. Be careful what you wish for.

 

[justoffal]

Lol if it doesn't fit a libstains agenda - it's outdated.

Constant attacks on opposing forces is what defines progressivism. Progressivism is misnamed. It does not seek to progress it seeks to consume.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Presidents should be elected based on national popular votes - not electoral votes based on acreage and just rubber-stamped by partisans!

Popular vote - not acres!

In each state, whichever party garners a majority of popular votes, regardless of how narrow the margin, wins all the electoral votes. By forcing residents in each state ultimately to vote as a block, the system is supposed to ensure that small states' interests are not drowned out by those of larger states.

U.S. Electoral Vote Map

The problem is the right wing don't care because they benefit from it, and they'll make silly arguments as to why the EC needs to stay.

 

[justoffal]

The problem is the right wing don't care because they benefit from it, and they'll make silly arguments as to why the EC needs to stay.

Look at the electoral map. Which states lead the way in sheer EC bulk? California and New York. Florida is almost purple these days and Texas is getting there too whereas neither Cali or NY are even close to being purple. You don't want participation you want totalitarianism.

 

[frigidweirdo]

A better solution would be to district out the Electoral votes so that they can be parsed by region. California would never allow this because they enjoy being the bully on the block. If that happened up to 20 of those ECV's would go to the GOP. Be careful what you wish for.

Well, it'd still be unfair.

In 2022 the Democrats had 15.6 million more votes in the senate than Republicans from the three previous elections 2022, 2020 and 2018.

Yet the Reps control the Senate. Why? Because Republican states are, combined, smaller than Democratic states.

2002 was the last time Republicans had more votes than Democrats for the previous three elections.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Look at the electoral map. Which states lead the way in sheer EC bulk? California and New York. Florida is almost purple these days and Texas is getting there too whereas neither Cali or NY are even close to being purple. You don't want participation you want totalitarianism.

Doesn't matter. See my previous post about the number of votes in the Senate.

 

[justoffal]

Well, it'd still be unfair.

In 2022 the Democrats had 15.6 million more votes in the senate than Republicans from the three previous elections 2022, 2020 and 2018.

Yet the Reps control the Senate. Why? Because Republican states are, combined, smaller than Democratic states.

2002 was the last time Republicans had more votes than Democrats for the previous three elections.

I understand that.....but there's this thing called a state. You put them all together and some smart fella came up with the nick name United.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I understand that.....but there's this thing called a state. You put them all together and some smart fella came up with the nick name United.

Yes, but the problem now is that statehood is connected to the Senate. Puerto Rico can't become a state because the Reps don't want to lose their advantage.

The system has become about controlling the power, and NOT about the states any more.

Something has to change. How "united" are the states when there are only two political parties? Not very. It solidifies the hatred.

In Germany it's not like that because EVERYONE GETS A FAIR SAY in the running of their country.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well, it'd still be unfair.

In 2022 the Democrats had 15.6 million more votes in the senate than Republicans from the three previous elections 2022, 2020 and 2018.

Yet the Reps control the Senate. Why? Because Republican states are, combined, smaller than Democratic states.

2002 was the last time Republicans had more votes than Democrats for the previous three elections.

In 2022 the Democrats had 15.6 million more votes in the senate than Republicans from the three previous elections 2022, 2020 and 2018.

Where did you get those numbers? Link?
How much of that had to do with California?
The Senate isn't all elected in 2022, why do we care about Dem votes in 2022?
The Senate isn't elected by national popular vote.
Should a Dem senator who won by a 1,000,000-vote margin have more power than a Republican senator who won by a 5000-vote margin? Why?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, but the problem now is that statehood is connected to the Senate. Puerto Rico can't become a state because the Reps don't want to lose their advantage.

The system has become about controlling the power, and NOT about the states any more.

Something has to change. How "united" are the states when there are only two political parties? Not very. It solidifies the hatred.

In Germany it's not like that because EVERYONE GETS A FAIR SAY in the running of their country.

Yes, but the problem now is that statehood is connected to the Senate.

Statehood has always been connected to the Senate.
Why is that a problem now?

 

[Papageorgio]

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More lies from the left wing.

 

[justoffal]

Yes, but the problem now is that statehood is connected to the Senate. Puerto Rico can't become a state because the Reps don't want to lose their advantage.

The system has become about controlling the power, and NOT about the states any more.

Something has to change. How "united" are the states when there are only two political parties? Not very. It solidifies the hatred.

In Germany it's not like that because EVERYONE GETS A FAIR SAY in the running of their country.

Well whatever else I agree or disagree with I agree with the fact that the two party system completely poisonous to our country. Though they fight and argue they maintain a monopoly on power at the expense of our nation.

 

[justoffal]

Yes, but the problem now is that statehood is connected to the Senate. Puerto Rico can't become a state because the Reps don't want to lose their advantage.

The system has become about controlling the power, and NOT about the states any more.

Something has to change. How "united" are the states when there are only two political parties? Not very. It solidifies the hatred.

In Germany it's not like that because EVERYONE GETS A FAIR SAY in the running of their country.

States are a voice of their own.
You can't take it away or you might as well dissolve the state legislatures and rent out the governor's Mansion.

 

[frigidweirdo]

States are a voice of their own.
You can't take it away or you might as well dissolve the state legislatures and rent out the governor's Mansion.

The first thing here is, are senators a voice for their state?

Probably not. They're a voice for their party. Generally senators will do what it takes to get reelected, which in the US is make lots of money to tell people how great they're doing, when all they're doing is making lots of money to tell them how they're doing rather than doing something.

Let's compare the EU to the USA. Both are unions of countries, however the EU is more a union of countries than the US, which is only one sovereign country.

The EU is basically run by the leaders of the member states.

The executive is split into two parts.

1) The European Council. This is made up of the heads of state of the individual countries, the president of the European Council which requires a double majority of the heads of state, the president of the European Commission who is nominated by the European Council which is the heads of state. So essentially totally controlled by the heads of state of the EU countries.

2) The European Commission, each commissioner comes from one of the 27 countries in the EU, and each commissioner is given a department. They are supposed to look after the interests of the EU and not their home country. The European Council nominates these people, the European Parliament (elected by the people) has to approve these people.

The legislature is split into the Council of the EU and the European Parliament

1) The Council of the EU. The presidency is rotated every 6 months among the leaders of the EU countries.

2) The European Parliament is elected by the people, with proportional representation within each country, that might be done regionally within those countries (like huge constituencies). But they don't get to propose laws, they just get to pass the laws that are given to them, essentially, by the heads of state for the EU countries.

Quite clearly they power in the EU is by the heads of state.

In the US senators are elected by the people and have no need to do what the state wants. In the past I guess the senators felt that need, but in the present day, it seems it's all about A) money, B) money and C) power of the political parties.

So, changing things to PR wouldn't really change anything in terms of state power.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Well whatever else I agree or disagree with I agree with the fact that the two party system completely poisonous to our country. Though they fight and argue they maintain a monopoly on power at the expense of our nation.

It was the poor voting decisions that put them there

 

[Stryder50]

Presidents should be elected based on national popular votes - not electoral votes based on acreage and just rubber-stamped by partisans!

Popular vote - not acres!

In each state, whichever party garners a majority of popular votes, regardless of how narrow the margin, wins all the electoral votes. By forcing residents in each state ultimately to vote as a block, the system is supposed to ensure that small states' interests are not drowned out by those of larger states.

U.S. Electoral Vote Map

A few states assign Electorals proportionally.
States choice whether to do proportional or winner take all.

 

[justoffal]

Presidents should be elected based on national popular votes - not electoral votes based on acreage and just rubber-stamped by partisans!

Popular vote - not acres!

In each state, whichever party garners a majority of popular votes, regardless of how narrow the margin, wins all the electoral votes. By forcing residents in each state ultimately to vote as a block, the system is supposed to ensure that small states' interests are not drowned out by those of larger states.

U.S. Electoral Vote Map

It's not based on acerage.

 

[Captain Caveman]

The first thing here is, are senators a voice for their state?

Probably not. They're a voice for their party. Generally senators will do what it takes to get reelected, which in the US is make lots of money to tell people how great they're doing, when all they're doing is making lots of money to tell them how they're doing rather than doing something.

Let's compare the EU to the USA. Both are unions of countries, however the EU is more a union of countries than the US, which is only one sovereign country.

The EU is basically run by the leaders of the member states.

The executive is split into two parts.

1) The European Council. This is made up of the heads of state of the individual countries, the president of the European Council which requires a double majority of the heads of state, the president of the European Commission who is nominated by the European Council which is the heads of state. So essentially totally controlled by the heads of state of the EU countries.

2) The European Commission, each commissioner comes from one of the 27 countries in the EU, and each commissioner is given a department. They are supposed to look after the interests of the EU and not their home country. The European Council nominates these people, the European Parliament (elected by the people) has to approve these people.

The legislature is split into the Council of the EU and the European Parliament

1) The Council of the EU. The presidency is rotated every 6 months among the leaders of the EU countries.

2) The European Parliament is elected by the people, with proportional representation within each country, that might be done regionally within those countries (like huge constituencies). But they don't get to propose laws, they just get to pass the laws that are given to them, essentially, by the heads of state for the EU countries.

Quite clearly they power in the EU is by the heads of state.

In the US senators are elected by the people and have no need to do what the state wants. In the past I guess the senators felt that need, but in the present day, it seems it's all about A) money, B) money and C) power of the political parties.

So, changing things to PR wouldn't really change anything in terms of state power.

Not one voting citizen can vote for the EU President.

 

[justoffal]

Not one voting citizen can vote for the EU President.

That one statement alone is all I need to know.