The Most Honest Assessment of Electric Car Benefits.

[gipper]

And here in Oregon, where 94% of our electricity comes from renewables, these cars are actually nearly carbon neutral.

So easy to check ...

State of Oregon: Energy in Oregon - Electricity Mix in Oregon

52 1/4% of Oregon's power come from Coal, Natural Gas, and Nuclear.

Also from that site...

Oregon's Renewable Portfolio Standard requires that 50 percent of the electricity Oregonians use come from renewable resources by 2040.

Maybe OldCrock is thinking 94% by the year 2100. Man is he full of a crock of shit. Or maybe he is just your typical AGW LIAR!!!

 

[fncceo]

And here in Oregon, where 94% of our electricity comes from renewables, these cars are actually nearly carbon neutral.

So easy to check ...

State of Oregon: Energy in Oregon - Electricity Mix in Oregon

52 1/4% of Oregon's power come from Coal, Natural Gas, and Nuclear.

Also from that site...

Oregon's Renewable Portfolio Standard requires that 50 percent of the electricity Oregonians use come from renewable resources by 2040.

Maybe OldCrock is thinking 94% by the year 2100. Man is he full of a crock of shit. Or maybe he is just your typical AGW LIAR!!!

Old Rocks is a true believer ... he will believe anything that supports his faith. He will even knowingly lie to convert others to his faith. It's a characteristic shared by most religious zealots.

 

[fncceo]

"In a 2013 report, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Design for the Environment program concluded that batteries using nickel and cobalt, like lithium-ion batteries, have the “highest potential for environmental impacts”. It cited negative consequences like mining, global warming, environmental pollution and human health impacts."

Lithium-ion batteries just won’t store the amount of energy required to be as useful as Musk promises, says Milnes: “Personally I think the Tesla factory producing hundreds of thousands more lithium-ion batteries is really short sighted because those batteries are just never going to hold the amount of energy we need them to.”

Tesla's new batteries may be harder on the environment than you think

The link and quotes above are from "The Guardian", one of Britain's most left-wing newspapers.

 

[gipper]

"In a 2013 report, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Design for the Environment program concluded that batteries using nickel and cobalt, like lithium-ion batteries, have the “highest potential for environmental impacts”. It cited negative consequences like mining, global warming, environmental pollution and human health impacts."

Lithium-ion batteries just won’t store the amount of energy required to be as useful as Musk promises, says Milnes: “Personally I think the Tesla factory producing hundreds of thousands more lithium-ion batteries is really short sighted because those batteries are just never going to hold the amount of energy we need them to.”

Tesla's new batteries may be harder on the environment than you think

The link and quotes above are from "The Guardian", one of Britain's most left-wing newspapers.

This is the thing about the 'green movement.' Most of what they believe and espouse, is bull shit.

Just as their leaders Al Goreleoni, Obama, Clinton, Leonardo DiCraprio and so many others, who are clearly hypocrites, propagandists, and opportunists...it is all based on lies designed to enrich a few and further empower centralized governments.

 

[there4eyeM]

Let's not put all progress toward a sustainable, renewable future in the same basket with mere opportunists. It remains an admirable goal and one that needs to be seriously examined. Anyone interested in decentralizing power should be motivated.

 

[fncceo]

"In a 2013 report, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Design for the Environment program concluded that batteries using nickel and cobalt, like lithium-ion batteries, have the “highest potential for environmental impacts”. It cited negative consequences like mining, global warming, environmental pollution and human health impacts."

Lithium-ion batteries just won’t store the amount of energy required to be as useful as Musk promises, says Milnes: “Personally I think the Tesla factory producing hundreds of thousands more lithium-ion batteries is really short sighted because those batteries are just never going to hold the amount of energy we need them to.”

Tesla's new batteries may be harder on the environment than you think

The link and quotes above are from "The Guardian", one of Britain's most left-wing newspapers.

This is the thing about the 'green movement.' Most of what they believe and espouse, is bull shit.

Just as their leaders Al Goreleoni, Obama, Clinton, Leonardo DiCraprio and so many others, who are clearly hypocrites, propagandists, and opportunists...it is all based on lies designed to enrich a few and further empower centralized governments.

Like many religious zealots in the past, the green acolytes of today believe they are the saviors of the world. Also, like the inquisitors of old, they rely heavily on making people afraid of a catastrophic threat and simultaneously hold out the only thing that can save us from that threat.... and they don't take kindly to those who reject their efforts to save us.

 

[fncceo]

Let's not put all progress toward a sustainable, renewable future in the same basket with mere opportunists. It remains an admirable goal and one that needs to be seriously examined. Anyone interested in decentralizing power should be motivated.

Improvements in technology is ALWAYS a desirable goal. But, let's not confuse actual scientific progress with old technology with a new paint job.

The fact is ... any technology that has to be lawfully mandated into existence isn't innovation, it's propaganda.

 

[there4eyeM]

Let's not put all progress toward a sustainable, renewable future in the same basket with mere opportunists. It remains an admirable goal and one that needs to be seriously examined. Anyone interested in decentralizing power should be motivated.

Improvements in technology is ALWAYS a desirable goal. But, let's not confuse actual scientific progress with old technology with a new paint job.

The fact is ... any technology that has to be lawfully mandated into existence isn't innovation, it's propaganda.

Nuclear "weapons" certainly would be a primary example.

 

[fncceo]

Nuclear "weapons" certainly would be a primary example.

Nuclear power, however, was a quantum leap in man's ability to produce clean, sustainable power.

 

[there4eyeM]

Nuclear "weapons" certainly would be a primary example.

Nuclear power, however, was a quantum leap in man's ability to produce clean, sustainable power.

Using the past tense would indicate this is not for the future. What is present is neither clean nor sustainable, propaganda to the contrary. It was a "quantum leap" in centralization to the benefit of a power élite.
Don't worry, though, it is too tiring to go through this whole argument again; this is all you'll see from this poster about this.
'bye.

 

[Crick]

And here in Oregon, where 94% of our electricity comes from renewables, these cars are actually nearly carbon neutral.

So easy to check ...

State of Oregon: Energy in Oregon - Electricity Mix in Oregon

52 1/4% of Oregon's power come from Coal, Natural Gas, and Nuclear.

Also from that site...

Oregon's Renewable Portfolio Standard requires that 50 percent of the electricity Oregonians use come from renewable resources by 2040.

Maybe OldCrock is thinking 94% by the year 2100. Man is he full of a crock of shit. Or maybe he is just your typical AGW LIAR!!!

Old Rocks is a true believer ... he will believe anything that supports his faith. He will even knowingly lie to convert others to his faith. It's a characteristic shared by most religious zealots.

Your enemies are religious zealots. That's a handy argument. I see it allows you to put up dramatic imagery without ever once addressing the merits of his actual arguments or presenting your own opinions on the topics under discussion.

 

[gipper]

And here in Oregon, where 94% of our electricity comes from renewables, these cars are actually nearly carbon neutral.

So easy to check ...

State of Oregon: Energy in Oregon - Electricity Mix in Oregon

52 1/4% of Oregon's power come from Coal, Natural Gas, and Nuclear.

Also from that site...

Oregon's Renewable Portfolio Standard requires that 50 percent of the electricity Oregonians use come from renewable resources by 2040.

Maybe OldCrock is thinking 94% by the year 2100. Man is he full of a crock of shit. Or maybe he is just your typical AGW LIAR!!!

Old Rocks is a true believer ... he will believe anything that supports his faith. He will even knowingly lie to convert others to his faith. It's a characteristic shared by most religious zealots.

Your enemies are religious zealots. That's a handy argument. I see it allows you to put up dramatic imagery without ever once addressing the merits of his actual arguments or presenting your own opinions on the topics under discussion.

The addressing of the 'merits' of the AGW argument has been done ad nauseum.

Clearly, there is nothing to the argument. So no need to address the merits, because there aren't any.

 

[Muhammed]

Not surprising, but the video implies that all electricity is generated by coal, when , in fact, as of 2017, only 30.1% of our electricity was goal generated.

You are simply lying your ass off again.

Nowhere in that video does it imply that all electricity is generated by coal, jackass.

Why are you so consistently wrong about everything?

 

[skookerasbil]

And here in Oregon, where 94% of our electricity comes from renewables, these cars are actually nearly carbon neutral.

So easy to check ...

State of Oregon: Energy in Oregon - Electricity Mix in Oregon

52 1/4% of Oregon's power come from Coal, Natural Gas, and Nuclear.

Also from that site...

Oregon's Renewable Portfolio Standard requires that 50 percent of the electricity Oregonians use come from renewable resources by 2040.

Maybe OldCrock is thinking 94% by the year 2100. Man is he full of a crock of shit. Or maybe he is just your typical AGW LIAR!!!

Old Rocks is a true believer ... he will believe anything that supports his faith. He will even knowingly lie to convert others to his faith. It's a characteristic shared by most religious zealots.

Your enemies are religious zealots. That's a handy argument. I see it allows you to put up dramatic imagery without ever once addressing the merits of his actual arguments or presenting your own opinions on the topics under discussion.

Ummm....s0n....just a little heads up.

You know how many people call skeptics part of a religion? About 17 people..... not that you've ever shown any real understanding of a bell curve anyway!!

 

[skookerasbil]

And here in Oregon, where 94% of our electricity comes from renewables, these cars are actually nearly carbon neutral.

So easy to check ...

State of Oregon: Energy in Oregon - Electricity Mix in Oregon

52 1/4% of Oregon's power come from Coal, Natural Gas, and Nuclear.

Also from that site...

Oregon's Renewable Portfolio Standard requires that 50 percent of the electricity Oregonians use come from renewable resources by 2040.

Maybe OldCrock is thinking 94% by the year 2100. Man is he full of a crock of shit. Or maybe he is just your typical AGW LIAR!!!

Old Rocks is a true believer ... he will believe anything that supports his faith. He will even knowingly lie to convert others to his faith. It's a characteristic shared by most religious zealots.

Your enemies are religious zealots. That's a handy argument. I see it allows you to put up dramatic imagery without ever once addressing the merits of his actual arguments or presenting your own opinions on the topics under discussion.

The addressing of the 'merits' of the AGW argument has been done ad nauseum.

Clearly, there is nothing to the argument. So no need to address the merits, because there aren't any.

Indeed..... and public policy makers in Western governments give it to 0 credence. Its validity only stands in the tiny climate science community..... but nowhere in the real world!

 

[Old Rocks]

Electric cars ... transport of the future...

Model T Ford, 1911

2018 Ford Crown Victoria

2018 Tesla Model S

2018 Tesla Model 3

Seems to me that both the ICE's have changed a bit in the last 117 years. So what was your point?

 

[Old Rocks]

There were those that just wouldn't tolerate indoor toilets too.

Replace the ICE engine with electric is replacing a marble bathroom with slit latrine.

And it can only be done by force.

If that's what you want to worry about, feel free to do so.

Not a worry ... a prediction.

LOL By 2030, EV's will be the dominate autos. People will laugh at the slow clunky ICE's.

 

[Old Rocks]

And here in Oregon, where 94% of our electricity comes from renewables, these cars are actually nearly carbon neutral.

So easy to check ...

State of Oregon: Energy in Oregon - Electricity Mix in Oregon

52 1/4% of Oregon's power come from Coal, Natural Gas, and Nuclear.

You are correct. I read another article, and read a future projection for the present. Here is the correct figure. Note that Oregon is still #1 for the use of renewable energy by percentage in the states. Thank you for the correction. One point to note, if all the renewable energy that Oregon produces were used in state, that figure for Oregon would be much higher. Much of what we produce is sold to California.

 

[airplanemechanic]

It's not the electric car I hate, it's the current fleet of electric cars. They look like gumballs.

Except for the Tesla Model S. OMG I think I could have a cargasm in that car.

 

[Old Rocks]

"In a 2013 report, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Design for the Environment program concluded that batteries using nickel and cobalt, like lithium-ion batteries, have the “highest potential for environmental impacts”. It cited negative consequences like mining, global warming, environmental pollution and human health impacts."

Lithium-ion batteries just won’t store the amount of energy required to be as useful as Musk promises, says Milnes: “Personally I think the Tesla factory producing hundreds of thousands more lithium-ion batteries is really short sighted because those batteries are just never going to hold the amount of energy we need them to.”

Tesla's new batteries may be harder on the environment than you think

The link and quotes above are from "The Guardian", one of Britain's most left-wing newspapers.

Oh my. So Tesla's 100 MW battery in South Australia is a failure, right? LOL

Tesla's Massive Battery in South Australia Made $1 Million AUD in Only a Few Days

Summer energy demand rising

The system is able to switch from charging to discharging in just seconds, a feature that allows Neoen to take advantage of energy swings. As summer energy demand increases during the very hot Australian summer, Tesla’s battery was paid up to $1000/MWh to charge itself. The Australian Energy Review thinks that at that price it may have cleared up to $1 million in the last few days. The Review writes: “Another view of this data is presented below, showing the actual price achieved during the buying (charging) and selling (generation). It’s hard to be sure, but it might have made around $1 million over the two days from the wholesale market.”

Source: Dylan McConnell from Climate and Clean Energy College via Renew Economy

Tesla to build new plants
The system is also working out for the government. Last month it reacted to the crash of a coal plant in just milliseconds, faster than the energy observer could even keep track of the changes. Renew Economy's Giles Parkinson said that the system is still being tested and that these impressive results could just be the tip of the iceberg of what it could really be capable of. The success of the battery pack and windfarm is such that other states in Australia are keen to get their own version. Australian media reported recently that Tesla had won the contract to build a 20 MW battery system to support the 204 MW wind farm at the Bulgana Green Power Hub.

Government's risk pays off

Tesla’s involvement in South Australia’s energy sector was kickstarted after the state experienced widespread power failures due to severe weather in the Summer of 2016. Tesla boasted they could fix South Australia’s energy problems within 100 days or the solution would be free. After receiving 91 proposals from energy providers around the world, The South Australian Government accepted Tesla's proposition. The 100 MW/129 MWh Powerpack system went live on December 1st, 2017.