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I like the way you put "enlightened" in quotes, as if I have ever said that.And did I mention your silly belief that anyone who disagrees with your "enlightened" POV is "an obedient Trumpster?"Agreed, there's no one as intellectually complex as an obedient Trumpster.Yup, because you aren't nearly as capable of complex thought as are most Americans.I'll take that as a "yes". Good.There can be and certainly are what could be deemed socialist policies in our capitalism and we adjust the mix regularly. What Bernie and the Socialist Democrats want is to - and I quote - "fundamentally transform" our economy. For some reason you ignore that pesky fact, Comrade, and would have others do the same.Can there be a point of equilibrium between pure socialism and pure capitalism?
Yes or no?
Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) - Workings towards a better future for all.
Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives...
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Ya got me on that one.
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Typical dumb stupid shit.Horse poop. You refuse to accept that many if not most Americans are at least as capable as you of discerning nuance. Whatever Bernie is - or thinks he is - he represents the "free stuff" wing of the "new & improved" Democrat Socialist Party. His (mostly young) sycophants desperately want the US to be "fundamentally transformed" but haven't the knowledge or life experience to understand that socialism is a slippery slope that invariably leads to ruin."Boogeyman" really is a good way to describe it. The problem is that most on the Right have been conditioned (by the usual suspects) to see virtually everything in a binary state...
Bernie's brand may be mythical but socialism is very real. Just say "no."
Dumb again. Why do you support the .1%? You have nothing in common with them.Topic is Democrats desire to gut the American economic system that has created the greatest nation on earth.Can there be a point of equilibrium between pure socialism and pure capitalism?Horse poop. You refuse to accept that many if not most Americans are at least as capable as you to discern nuance. Whatever Bernie is - or thinks he is - he represents the "free stuff" wing of the "new & improved" Democrat Socialist Party. His (mostly young) sycophants desperately want the US to be "fundamentally transformed" but haven't the knowledge or life experience to understand that socialism is a slippery slope that invariably leads to ruin."Boogeyman" really is a good way to describe it. The problem is that most on the Right have been conditioned (by the usual suspects) to see virtually everything in a binary state...
Bernie's brand may be mythical but socialism is very real. Just say "no."
Yes or no?
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That really your best rebuttal for Comrade Sanders statements?Calling people monkeys for quoting Comrade Sanders. Typical Bernie Bro.True ignorance is common in the land of the (not) free. The billionaire’s media sees to that. This is yet another perfect example. This myth is believed by many on the right and left. The 1% who run everything don’t much like Bernie, so their media makes sure to dupe millions into thinking as they do.
They have "Democratic Socialism" in Venezuela.
They are eating their dogs right now.
It wasn't the "Billionaires" who rejected Bernie, it was regular folks who realized that for all it's flaws, Capitalism is better than the alternative.
I also think that Bernie was always more hype than reality. Even in the states he's "won", he's performed less well than he did in 2016.
Iowa He got 49% of the vote in 2016. In 2020 he got 26%
New Hampshire He got 60% of the vote in 2016. In 2020 he got 25%
Nevada He got 47% of the vote in 2016. In 2020 he got 40%
Colorado He got 59% of the vote in 2016. In 2020 he got 36%
California He got 46% of the vote in 2016. In 2020 he got 33%
Even Vermont, his HOME STATE, he got 50% of the vote, compared to the 86% he got in 2016.
I am starting to suspect a lot of his support in 2016 was less "We want us some socialism" and more "We really don't like Hillary!"
A Soros website cannot erase decades of Bernie quotes.True ignorance is common in the land of the (not) free. The billionaire’s media sees to that. This is yet another perfect example. This myth is believed by many on the right and left. The 1% who run everything don’t much like Bernie, so their media makes sure to dupe millions into thinking as they do.
MARCH 5, 2020
The Myth of Sanders’ “Socialism”
by M. G. PIETY
Fox News has an all-out frontal assault on Bernie Sanders’ purported “socialism.” It is a sad statement on the level of ignorance in this country that anyone could take seriously the charge that Sanders is a socialist. What Sanders is advocating is something approaching the social-welfare systems of other economically developed countries and that’s a far cry from the socialism Fox News is using as a boogeyman to frighten conservatives. The “socialism” Fox is decrying is the old-fashioned Stalinist-Maoist kind where all important industries are nationalized, most of the private property of the wealthy is seized by the state, and there are no such things as individual rights and freedoms because the very idea of “individuals” is considered capitalist propaganda.
The Myth of Sanders' "Socialism" - CounterPunch.org
Bernie Sanders in 1972: 'I don't mind people calling me a communist'
Like trained monkeys, many on the right and left do as the billionaires instruct. Unknowingly.
Wingers like you hear what they want to hear. No critical thinking required.
It is not a debate of communism vs capitalism, so much as a debate of political ideology. It will always be easy to lure young people into communism with the promise of free shit, this is nothing new. People don't like to work, so it is not that hard to vote for free shit. As people get life experience, education, and values, they begin to see the real cost of the free shit. This is what the debate is about.I certainly understand and appreciate the "slippery slope" idea. And agree with it.You are missing a critical part of this "conditioning" of the right, which is how the right has learned to recognize the profound effect of progressive changes over time. Give them an inch, and they take miles. Bernie is a commie who needs to be shut down immediately."Boogeyman" really is a good way to describe it. The problem is that most on the Right have been conditioned (by the usual suspects) to see virtually everything in a binary state. So, in their minds, there is only "capitalism" or "socialism", good or evil, black or white, one or the other. This has been drummed into them for the last 30+ years, so for many of them, it's all they've ever known.True ignorance is common in the land of the (not) free. The billionaire’s media sees to that. This is yet another perfect example. This myth is believed by many on the right and left. The 1% who run everything don’t much like Bernie, so their media makes sure to dupe millions into thinking as they do.
MARCH 5, 2020
The Myth of Sanders’ “Socialism”
by M. G. PIETY
Fox News has an all-out frontal assault on Bernie Sanders’ purported “socialism.” It is a sad statement on the level of ignorance in this country that anyone could take seriously the charge that Sanders is a socialist. What Sanders is advocating is something approaching the social-welfare systems of other economically developed countries and that’s a far cry from the socialism Fox News is using as a boogeyman to frighten conservatives. The “socialism” Fox is decrying is the old-fashioned Stalinist-Maoist kind where all important industries are nationalized, most of the private property of the wealthy is seized by the state, and there are no such things as individual rights and freedoms because the very idea of “individuals” is considered capitalist propaganda.
The Myth of Sanders' "Socialism" - CounterPunch.org
At some level, they HAVE to know that this all exists along a continuum, that the task is not to magically "beat" the "other side", but to find the right place of equilibrium.
But the problem here is that the binary thought processes with which these people have been afflicted simply don't allow for anything deeper than binary viewpoints. As a result, it's virtually impossible for them to even RECOGNIZE that a point of equilibrium might even EXIST.
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The whole purpose of this thread is to marginalize how people see Bernie's communism, in hopes that somehow nobody will notice a commie taking over our country. This thread is the work of cockroaches who work in the dark, trying to destroy America, but it won't work.
We're still at a point where the Democratic Party knows he's too far to the Left. Here's the question, though: If this trend continues throughout the Democratic Party (who knows), is the GOP absolutely certain that it is presenting capitalism in a way that it will remain an attractive alternative to what people like Sanders are selling?
This is about contrasts. Regardless of where we may be in this economic cycle, wealth disparity is not going away. And people on the ass end of it vote.
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True ignorance is common in the land of the (not) free. The billionaire’s media sees to that. This is yet another perfect example. This myth is believed by many on the right and left. The 1% who run everything don’t much like Bernie, so their media makes sure to dupe millions into thinking as they do.
MARCH 5, 2020
The Myth of Sanders’ “Socialism”
by M. G. PIETY
Fox News has an all-out frontal assault on Bernie Sanders’ purported “socialism.” It is a sad statement on the level of ignorance in this country that anyone could take seriously the charge that Sanders is a socialist. What Sanders is advocating is something approaching the social-welfare systems of other economically developed countries and that’s a far cry from the socialism Fox News is using as a boogeyman to frighten conservatives. The “socialism” Fox is decrying is the old-fashioned Stalinist-Maoist kind where all important industries are nationalized, most of the private property of the wealthy is seized by the state, and there are no such things as individual rights and freedoms because the very idea of “individuals” is considered capitalist propaganda.
The Myth of Sanders' "Socialism" - CounterPunch.org
He wasn’t? He took power by force? How do you know if the election was decided by a popular vote that more people in blue states would not vote for him?I appreciate your support for Donald Trump. It was hard becoming President with no prior political experience.
Trump wasn't elected. the people said no.
I support the 1% because they are Americans and their right to chase the American dream is not nullified because of their money.Dumb again. Why do you support the .1%? You have nothing in common with them.Topic is Democrats desire to gut the American economic system that has created the greatest nation on earth.Can there be a point of equilibrium between pure socialism and pure capitalism?Horse poop. You refuse to accept that many if not most Americans are at least as capable as you to discern nuance. Whatever Bernie is - or thinks he is - he represents the "free stuff" wing of the "new & improved" Democrat Socialist Party. His (mostly young) sycophants desperately want the US to be "fundamentally transformed" but haven't the knowledge or life experience to understand that socialism is a slippery slope that invariably leads to ruin."Boogeyman" really is a good way to describe it. The problem is that most on the Right have been conditioned (by the usual suspects) to see virtually everything in a binary state...
Bernie's brand may be mythical but socialism is very real. Just say "no."
Yes or no?
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Yeah FDR was a fuckin commie too. We need to get rid of all social programs, after all we don’t want that commie shit. We need to make sure the wealthy oligarchy gets government protection, but the rest of us get rugged capitalism.You are missing a critical part of this "conditioning" of the right, which is how the right has learned to recognize the profound effect of progressive changes over time. Give them an inch, and they take miles. Bernie is a commie who needs to be shut down immediately."Boogeyman" really is a good way to describe it. The problem is that most on the Right have been conditioned (by the usual suspects) to see virtually everything in a binary state. So, in their minds, there is only "capitalism" or "socialism", good or evil, black or white, one or the other. This has been drummed into them for the last 30+ years, so for many of them, it's all they've ever known.True ignorance is common in the land of the (not) free. The billionaire’s media sees to that. This is yet another perfect example. This myth is believed by many on the right and left. The 1% who run everything don’t much like Bernie, so their media makes sure to dupe millions into thinking as they do.
MARCH 5, 2020
The Myth of Sanders’ “Socialism”
by M. G. PIETY
Fox News has an all-out frontal assault on Bernie Sanders’ purported “socialism.” It is a sad statement on the level of ignorance in this country that anyone could take seriously the charge that Sanders is a socialist. What Sanders is advocating is something approaching the social-welfare systems of other economically developed countries and that’s a far cry from the socialism Fox News is using as a boogeyman to frighten conservatives. The “socialism” Fox is decrying is the old-fashioned Stalinist-Maoist kind where all important industries are nationalized, most of the private property of the wealthy is seized by the state, and there are no such things as individual rights and freedoms because the very idea of “individuals” is considered capitalist propaganda.
The Myth of Sanders' "Socialism" - CounterPunch.org
At some level, they HAVE to know that this all exists along a continuum, that the task is not to magically "beat" the "other side", but to find the right place of equilibrium.
But the problem here is that the binary thought processes with which these people have been afflicted simply don't allow for anything deeper than binary viewpoints. As a result, it's virtually impossible for them to even RECOGNIZE that a point of equilibrium might even EXIST.
.
The whole purpose of this thread is to marginalize how people see Bernie's communism, in hopes that somehow nobody will notice a commie taking over our country. This thread is the work of cockroaches who work in the dark, trying to destroy America, but it won't work.
They are transnational capitalists silly. Wake the fuck up.I support the 1% because they are Americans and their right to chase the American dream is not nullified because of their money.Dumb again. Why do you support the .1%? You have nothing in common with them.Topic is Democrats desire to gut the American economic system that has created the greatest nation on earth.Can there be a point of equilibrium between pure socialism and pure capitalism?Horse poop. You refuse to accept that many if not most Americans are at least as capable as you to discern nuance. Whatever Bernie is - or thinks he is - he represents the "free stuff" wing of the "new & improved" Democrat Socialist Party. His (mostly young) sycophants desperately want the US to be "fundamentally transformed" but haven't the knowledge or life experience to understand that socialism is a slippery slope that invariably leads to ruin."Boogeyman" really is a good way to describe it. The problem is that most on the Right have been conditioned (by the usual suspects) to see virtually everything in a binary state...
Bernie's brand may be mythical but socialism is very real. Just say "no."
Yes or no?
.
True ignorance is common in the land of the (not) free. The billionaire’s media sees to that. This is yet another perfect example. This myth is believed by many on the right and left. The 1% who run everything don’t much like Bernie, so their media makes sure to dupe millions into thinking as they do.
MARCH 5, 2020
The Myth of Sanders’ “Socialism”
by M. G. PIETY
Fox News has an all-out frontal assault on Bernie Sanders’ purported “socialism.” It is a sad statement on the level of ignorance in this country that anyone could take seriously the charge that Sanders is a socialist. What Sanders is advocating is something approaching the social-welfare systems of other economically developed countries and that’s a far cry from the socialism Fox News is using as a boogeyman to frighten conservatives. The “socialism” Fox is decrying is the old-fashioned Stalinist-Maoist kind where all important industries are nationalized, most of the private property of the wealthy is seized by the state, and there are no such things as individual rights and freedoms because the very idea of “individuals” is considered capitalist propaganda.
The Myth of Sanders' "Socialism" - CounterPunch.org
Typical dumb stupid shit.Horse poop. You refuse to accept that many if not most Americans are at least as capable as you of discerning nuance. Whatever Bernie is - or thinks he is - he represents the "free stuff" wing of the "new & improved" Democrat Socialist Party. His (mostly young) sycophants desperately want the US to be "fundamentally transformed" but haven't the knowledge or life experience to understand that socialism is a slippery slope that invariably leads to ruin."Boogeyman" really is a good way to describe it. The problem is that most on the Right have been conditioned (by the usual suspects) to see virtually everything in a binary state...
Bernie's brand may be mythical but socialism is very real. Just say "no."
The oligarchy loves fools like you.
They are Americans.They are transnational capitalists silly. Wake the fuck up.I support the 1% because they are Americans and their right to chase the American dream is not nullified because of their money.Dumb again. Why do you support the .1%? You have nothing in common with them.Topic is Democrats desire to gut the American economic system that has created the greatest nation on earth.Can there be a point of equilibrium between pure socialism and pure capitalism?Horse poop. You refuse to accept that many if not most Americans are at least as capable as you to discern nuance. Whatever Bernie is - or thinks he is - he represents the "free stuff" wing of the "new & improved" Democrat Socialist Party. His (mostly young) sycophants desperately want the US to be "fundamentally transformed" but haven't the knowledge or life experience to understand that socialism is a slippery slope that invariably leads to ruin.
Bernie's brand may be mythical but socialism is very real. Just say "no."
Yes or no?
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Well, that's the theory. Start paying taxes and your mind begins to change. And Sanders' base is largely the young.It is not a debate of communism vs capitalism, so much as a debate of political ideology. It will always be easy to lure young people into communism with the promise of free shit, this is nothing new. People don't like to work, so it is not that hard to vote for free shit. As people get life experience, education, and values, they begin to see the real cost of the free shit. This is what the debate is about.I certainly understand and appreciate the "slippery slope" idea. And agree with it.You are missing a critical part of this "conditioning" of the right, which is how the right has learned to recognize the profound effect of progressive changes over time. Give them an inch, and they take miles. Bernie is a commie who needs to be shut down immediately."Boogeyman" really is a good way to describe it. The problem is that most on the Right have been conditioned (by the usual suspects) to see virtually everything in a binary state. So, in their minds, there is only "capitalism" or "socialism", good or evil, black or white, one or the other. This has been drummed into them for the last 30+ years, so for many of them, it's all they've ever known.True ignorance is common in the land of the (not) free. The billionaire’s media sees to that. This is yet another perfect example. This myth is believed by many on the right and left. The 1% who run everything don’t much like Bernie, so their media makes sure to dupe millions into thinking as they do.
MARCH 5, 2020
The Myth of Sanders’ “Socialism”
by M. G. PIETY
Fox News has an all-out frontal assault on Bernie Sanders’ purported “socialism.” It is a sad statement on the level of ignorance in this country that anyone could take seriously the charge that Sanders is a socialist. What Sanders is advocating is something approaching the social-welfare systems of other economically developed countries and that’s a far cry from the socialism Fox News is using as a boogeyman to frighten conservatives. The “socialism” Fox is decrying is the old-fashioned Stalinist-Maoist kind where all important industries are nationalized, most of the private property of the wealthy is seized by the state, and there are no such things as individual rights and freedoms because the very idea of “individuals” is considered capitalist propaganda.
The Myth of Sanders' "Socialism" - CounterPunch.org
At some level, they HAVE to know that this all exists along a continuum, that the task is not to magically "beat" the "other side", but to find the right place of equilibrium.
But the problem here is that the binary thought processes with which these people have been afflicted simply don't allow for anything deeper than binary viewpoints. As a result, it's virtually impossible for them to even RECOGNIZE that a point of equilibrium might even EXIST.
.
The whole purpose of this thread is to marginalize how people see Bernie's communism, in hopes that somehow nobody will notice a commie taking over our country. This thread is the work of cockroaches who work in the dark, trying to destroy America, but it won't work.
We're still at a point where the Democratic Party knows he's too far to the Left. Here's the question, though: If this trend continues throughout the Democratic Party (who knows), is the GOP absolutely certain that it is presenting capitalism in a way that it will remain an attractive alternative to what people like Sanders are selling?
This is about contrasts. Regardless of where we may be in this economic cycle, wealth disparity is not going away. And people on the ass end of it vote.
.
Hitler built great highways!What kind of slippery slope bullshit is this?You’ve been duped or maybe you’re just dumb. Do you really think EVERYTHING Castro did was bad?What is missing in this debate is honesty, as always.
I would guess when FDR pushed for social security, many called him a socialist. I don’t believe most Americans consider Canada and Western Europe socialist nations, yet Bernie is advocating for policies much like those nations.
The extreme wealthy seem to really like socialism and our government does all it can to give it to them. Bernie is demanding the government help the poor and working class, like they do for the 1%. For this, he’s labeled a god damned commie. LOL.
Well, he doesn't help himself by praising Fidel Castro to the people who barely got away from him in leaky boats.
Everything Hitler did wasn't bad either. Should we therefore praise him?
Ignorant bullshit
What kind of slippery slope bullshit is this?You’ve been duped or maybe you’re just dumb. Do you really think EVERYTHING Castro did was bad?What is missing in this debate is honesty, as always.
I would guess when FDR pushed for social security, many called him a socialist. I don’t believe most Americans consider Canada and Western Europe socialist nations, yet Bernie is advocating for policies much like those nations.
The extreme wealthy seem to really like socialism and our government does all it can to give it to them. Bernie is demanding the government help the poor and working class, like they do for the 1%. For this, he’s labeled a god damned commie. LOL.
Well, he doesn't help himself by praising Fidel Castro to the people who barely got away from him in leaky boats.
Everything Hitler did wasn't bad either. Should we therefore praise him?
Ignorant bullshit
Rugged capitalism? Lol, I love rugged capitalism, and I would never trade it for the bread line.Yeah FDR was a fuckin commie too. We need to get rid of all social programs, after all we don’t want that commie shit. We need to make sure the wealthy oligarchy gets government protection, but the rest of us get rugged capitalism.You are missing a critical part of this "conditioning" of the right, which is how the right has learned to recognize the profound effect of progressive changes over time. Give them an inch, and they take miles. Bernie is a commie who needs to be shut down immediately."Boogeyman" really is a good way to describe it. The problem is that most on the Right have been conditioned (by the usual suspects) to see virtually everything in a binary state. So, in their minds, there is only "capitalism" or "socialism", good or evil, black or white, one or the other. This has been drummed into them for the last 30+ years, so for many of them, it's all they've ever known.True ignorance is common in the land of the (not) free. The billionaire’s media sees to that. This is yet another perfect example. This myth is believed by many on the right and left. The 1% who run everything don’t much like Bernie, so their media makes sure to dupe millions into thinking as they do.
MARCH 5, 2020
The Myth of Sanders’ “Socialism”
by M. G. PIETY
Fox News has an all-out frontal assault on Bernie Sanders’ purported “socialism.” It is a sad statement on the level of ignorance in this country that anyone could take seriously the charge that Sanders is a socialist. What Sanders is advocating is something approaching the social-welfare systems of other economically developed countries and that’s a far cry from the socialism Fox News is using as a boogeyman to frighten conservatives. The “socialism” Fox is decrying is the old-fashioned Stalinist-Maoist kind where all important industries are nationalized, most of the private property of the wealthy is seized by the state, and there are no such things as individual rights and freedoms because the very idea of “individuals” is considered capitalist propaganda.
The Myth of Sanders' "Socialism" - CounterPunch.org
At some level, they HAVE to know that this all exists along a continuum, that the task is not to magically "beat" the "other side", but to find the right place of equilibrium.
But the problem here is that the binary thought processes with which these people have been afflicted simply don't allow for anything deeper than binary viewpoints. As a result, it's virtually impossible for them to even RECOGNIZE that a point of equilibrium might even EXIST.
.
The whole purpose of this thread is to marginalize how people see Bernie's communism, in hopes that somehow nobody will notice a commie taking over our country. This thread is the work of cockroaches who work in the dark, trying to destroy America, but it won't work.
Is Canada a socialist nation? Is all of Western Europe socialist?
Start paying taxes and your mind begins to change.
Where we disagree is that I think that political ideology and economic systems are now becoming more polarized and linked, so that each party is now making a clearer argument for its case.
True ignorance is common in the land of the (not) free. The billionaire’s media sees to that. This is yet another perfect example. This myth is believed by many on the right and left. The 1% who run everything don’t much like Bernie, so their media makes sure to dupe millions into thinking as they do.
MARCH 5, 2020
The Myth of Sanders’ “Socialism”
by M. G. PIETY
Fox News has an all-out frontal assault on Bernie Sanders’ purported “socialism.” It is a sad statement on the level of ignorance in this country that anyone could take seriously the charge that Sanders is a socialist. What Sanders is advocating is something approaching the social-welfare systems of other economically developed countries and that’s a far cry from the socialism Fox News is using as a boogeyman to frighten conservatives. The “socialism” Fox is decrying is the old-fashioned Stalinist-Maoist kind where all important industries are nationalized, most of the private property of the wealthy is seized by the state, and there are no such things as individual rights and freedoms because the very idea of “individuals” is considered capitalist propaganda.
The Myth of Sanders' "Socialism" - CounterPunch.org
