The NRA is still in the fight for our Rights against Black Face wearing Governor....

[JoeB131]

Sorry, the myth that only peaceful potheads are doing hard time is a joke. In fact....in too many cases violent thugs get lighter sentences than they deserve because democrat judges let them plead out on gun charges.....

Odd that we produce millions of people who need to be locked up, but Germany and Japan only need to lock up less than 80K.

How is that?

 

[2aguy]

Sorry, the myth that only peaceful potheads are doing hard time is a joke. In fact....in too many cases violent thugs get lighter sentences than they deserve because democrat judges let them plead out on gun charges.....

Odd that we produce millions of people who need to be locked up, but Germany and Japan only need to lock up less than 80K.

How is that?

Yes...."The Great Society" created single teenage girl run homes......with children from different males without fathers.....that has been the single biggest driving factor in our crime population. Now, Europe has reached critical mass with their welfare states, having been set back by the War......dittos Japan, but their conformist, police state has managed to keep them in check.........

 

[JoeB131]

Yes...."The Great Society" created single teenage girl run homes......with children from different males without fathers.....that has been the single biggest driving factor in our crime population. Now, Europe has reached critical mass with their welfare states, having been set back by the War......dittos Japan, but their conformist, police state has managed to keep them in check........

Again, you'd cut all the legs off a frog, yell "Jump", and conclude that a frog with no legs is deaf.

We have a problem the rest of those countries don't have for one reason and one reason only.

We let any idiot who wants a gun have a gun.

 

[2aguy]

Yes...."The Great Society" created single teenage girl run homes......with children from different males without fathers.....that has been the single biggest driving factor in our crime population. Now, Europe has reached critical mass with their welfare states, having been set back by the War......dittos Japan, but their conformist, police state has managed to keep them in check........

Again, you'd cut all the legs off a frog, yell "Jump", and conclude that a frog with no legs is deaf.

We have a problem the rest of those countries have for one reason and one reason only.

We let any idiot who wants a gun have a gun.

No...you are wrong. Europe actually experienced the destruction of World War 2, we did not. Our "Great Society" destroyed our inner city families, replacing them with young, teenage girls having children with multiple males without a father in the home. This gave us young males without anyone to train them to be men...and our crime rates went through the roof.....then, from the 1990s over 26 years, more Americans, not less, bought, owned and carried guns....and our gun murder rate went down 49%......your theory doesn't explain that. As more Americans owned, and carried guns over the last 26 years our gun crime rate went down 75%, the exact opposite of what you and your theory say would happen....the exact opposite....

When a theory is not supported by the actual results....the theory is wrong.....your theory is wrong.

Then, you apply your theory to Britain.....more guns = more gun crime? Britain had a low gun murder and crime rate before they banned guns...... They banned and confiscated guns.....their gun crime and murder rate spiked for 10 years... then returned to the low level it had been before they banned guns.....

Your theory can't explain that.....so your theory doesn't work...it is wrong.

 

[JoeB131]

No...you are wrong. Europe actually experienced the destruction of World War 2, we did not. Our "Great Society" destroyed our inner city families, replacing them with young, teenage girls having children with multiple males without a father in the home.

Uh, guy, get real. Nobody says, "I'm going have a bunch of babies to get that sweet, sweet welfare money." In fact, most people on welfare are only on it for a few years.

hen, from the 1990s over 26 years, more Americans, not less, bought, owned and carried guns....and our gun murder rate went down 49%......your theory doesn't explain that. As more Americans owned, and carried guns over the last 26 years our gun crime rate went down 75%, the exact opposite of what you and your theory say would happen....the exact opposite....

What happened in the 1990's was that after we legalized birth control and abortion, the number of unwanted kids declined, and we were all better off for it. But because guns are so easy to get, we still have crime rates that are worse than wars in some countries.

Then, you apply your theory to Britain.....more guns = more gun crime? Britain had a low gun murder and crime rate before they banned guns...... They banned and confiscated guns.....their gun crime and murder rate spiked for 10 years... then returned to the low level it had been before they banned guns.....

Yeah, let's look at that.

The US has 19,000 homicides a year- 14,000 with guns.

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

The UK has an average of 200 homicides a year (they had a spike in 2016 up to 800) of which only 11 are committed with guns.

Guns in the United Kingdom — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Hmmmm.... Hmmmmm.... this isn't complicated, buddy.



The UK has 500 Homicides a year,

 

[2aguy]

No...you are wrong. Europe actually experienced the destruction of World War 2, we did not. Our "Great Society" destroyed our inner city families, replacing them with young, teenage girls having children with multiple males without a father in the home.

Uh, guy, get real. Nobody says, "I'm going have a bunch of babies to get that sweet, sweet welfare money." In fact, most people on welfare are only on it for a few years.

hen, from the 1990s over 26 years, more Americans, not less, bought, owned and carried guns....and our gun murder rate went down 49%......your theory doesn't explain that. As more Americans owned, and carried guns over the last 26 years our gun crime rate went down 75%, the exact opposite of what you and your theory say would happen....the exact opposite....

What happened in the 1990's was that after we legalized birth control and abortion, the number of unwanted kids declined, and we were all better off for it. But because guns are so easy to get, we still have crime rates that are worse than wars in some countries.

Then, you apply your theory to Britain.....more guns = more gun crime? Britain had a low gun murder and crime rate before they banned guns...... They banned and confiscated guns.....their gun crime and murder rate spiked for 10 years... then returned to the low level it had been before they banned guns.....

Yeah, let's look at that.

The US has 19,000 homicides a year- 14,000 with guns.

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

The UK has an average of 200 homicides a year (they had a spike in 2016 up to 800) of which only 11 are committed with guns.

Guns in the United Kingdom — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Hmmmm.... Hmmmmm.... this isn't complicated, buddy.



The UK has 500 Homicides a year,

Moron.....Britain has always had a low murder rate and a low gun murder rate, long before they banned guns.....their criminals don't murder people as easily as our criminals do.......going back, once again to a 75% our of wedlock birth rate among our minority populations in our inner cities........that is the cause of crime, broken homes, not John and Jane Q. Citizen owning and carrying a gun for self defense.....

Your theory can't explain the most basic point of your argument.....so your theory is crap.

This is why we have gun crime....democrat judges letting violent gun criminals out of jail on bond, and out of prison on light sentences.....

Here we have a felon, caught with an illegal gun, given probation, and caught again with an illegal gun......

CWB Chicago: Déjà vu: Man on probation for having a gun in a car is charged with.... having a gun in a car again

A man who is on probation for having a gun in a car in the Old Town neighborhood is back in jail, accused of (wait for it) having a gun in a car in the Old Town neighborhood last week.

Police working a concentrated mission on the 1200 block of North Sedgwick following a recent shooting pulled Coby Underwood over around 9:30 p.m. on July 6th because his van had only one working headlight, according to a CPD report. Officers reportedly smelled pot coming from the van, and they asked the occupants to step out.

Two handguns were found behind a loose panel next to the rear passenger seat and cops located heroin and crack cocaine in the car, too, police said.

Police said Underwood, 19, told them that he owned the vehicle, but had no knowledge of any firearms or drugs being inside.

Underwood is charged with three narcotics possession charges and misdemeanor unlawful use of a weapon on public lands (a prosecutor refused to file a felony gun charge).

Judge Sandra Ortiz set bail at $5,000 on the new charges. However, Underwood was also ordered held without bail on a violation of probation.

In December 2017, officers received a tip about a suspicious person in the1300 block of Hudson.

At the scene, officers found a car with Underwood and another man sitting in the back seat. Police said they found a loaded handgun with an extended magazine, cocaine, and pot near where he was sitting.

Last July, Underwood pleaded guilty to unlawful use of a weapon and was sentenced to 18-months probation.

Eleven additional felony charges approved by a grand jury were dropped in the deal that was okayed by Judge Catherine Haberkorn.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Sorry, the myth that only peaceful potheads are doing hard time is a joke. In fact....in too many cases violent thugs get lighter sentences than they deserve because democrat judges let them plead out on gun charges.....

Odd that we produce millions of people who need to be locked up, but Germany and Japan only need to lock up less than 80K.

How is that?

Your policie

 

[2aguy]

No...you are wrong. Europe actually experienced the destruction of World War 2, we did not. Our "Great Society" destroyed our inner city families, replacing them with young, teenage girls having children with multiple males without a father in the home.

Uh, guy, get real. Nobody says, "I'm going have a bunch of babies to get that sweet, sweet welfare money." In fact, most people on welfare are only on it for a few years.

hen, from the 1990s over 26 years, more Americans, not less, bought, owned and carried guns....and our gun murder rate went down 49%......your theory doesn't explain that. As more Americans owned, and carried guns over the last 26 years our gun crime rate went down 75%, the exact opposite of what you and your theory say would happen....the exact opposite....

What happened in the 1990's was that after we legalized birth control and abortion, the number of unwanted kids declined, and we were all better off for it. But because guns are so easy to get, we still have crime rates that are worse than wars in some countries.

Then, you apply your theory to Britain.....more guns = more gun crime? Britain had a low gun murder and crime rate before they banned guns...... They banned and confiscated guns.....their gun crime and murder rate spiked for 10 years... then returned to the low level it had been before they banned guns.....

Yeah, let's look at that.

The US has 19,000 homicides a year- 14,000 with guns.

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

The UK has an average of 200 homicides a year (they had a spike in 2016 up to 800) of which only 11 are committed with guns.

Guns in the United Kingdom — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Hmmmm.... Hmmmmm.... this isn't complicated, buddy.



The UK has 500 Homicides a year,

Your theory.... More Guns = More Gun Crime....

Over the 26 years from the 1990s to today, more Americans own and actually carry guns....

More Guns.

During that last 26 years when you say that more guns = more gun crime......gun murder went down 49%, gun crime went down 75%, violent crime went down 72%.

Less Gun Crime, not more.

Your theory is wrong, that is what happens in science when a theory can't explain the results.....

You bring up countries like Britain and Japan that never had high murder rates, never had high gun murder rates.......and Britain had low gun murder rates when guns were not banned and confiscated....so again, your theory doesn't work......

You anti-gun extremists don't understand the basic fact that the criminals in other countries do not commit murder, yet, with the lack of control that our criminals do it.

What you also do not see because you are blinded by your hatred of guns and gun owners, is that Europe and it's welfare statism is causing the exact same violence problem that we had in going out of the 1960s.....with the same causes....single teenage mothers, attacks on the police, reductions in police manpower and resources and a belief that letting violent criminals loose on society is a good thing....

You are too stupid to see the truth.

 

[Pilot1]

The Right of THE PEOPLE to Keep and Bear Arms is NOT tied to being in the Militia. It says Right of the People, not the Right of the Government. However, even if it were tied to being in the Militia the unorganized militia which this references means all able bodied men who must own firearms privately in order to fulfill that role.

 

[JoeB131]

Moron.....Britain has always had a low murder rate and a low gun murder rate, long before they banned guns.....t

Exactly, because they don't let any idiot who wanted a gun have one.

You anti-gun extremists don't understand the basic fact that the criminals in other countries do not commit murder, yet, with the lack of control that our criminals do it.

Quite right. Because they can't get guns and stabbing or strangling someone to death is actually hard work. GUns make murder easy. That's why they don't have our murder rates.

What you also do not see because you are blinded by your hatred of guns and gun owners, is that Europe and it's welfare statism is causing the exact same violence problem that we had in going out of the 1960s.....with the same causes....single teenage mothers, attacks on the police, reductions in police manpower and resources and a belief that letting violent criminals loose on society is a good thing....

Here's the problem with that argument. THE EUROPEANS HAVE MORE EXTENSIVE WELFARE THAN WE HAVE!!!

I would LOVE to have a European style welfare state, instead of this working yourself to fucking death to make a few rich assholes richer society we have.

The fact is, they have more welfare, more comprehensive welfare, they throw very few people in prison and they don't have guns.

And their crime rates are a fraction of what our are.

 

[JoeB131]

The Right of THE PEOPLE to Keep and Bear Arms is NOT tied to being in the Militia. It says Right of the People, not the Right of the Government. However, even if it were tied to being in the Militia the unorganized militia which this references means all able bodied men who must own firearms privately in order to fulfill that role.

Or we ban private gun ownership, as there is ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD REASON FOR IT, and limit guns to well-regulated militias such as the police and the military.

 

[KGB]

YOu mean cities and states deciding what they want their gun laws to be?

I mean, that's terrible, but some of us don't want to live next store to gun nuts.

Cities & states don’t get the power to override the US Constitution.

DUI checkpoints override the Constitution. It`s a public safety issue Vladimir just like seat belts.

DUI checkpoints are in response to an illegal activity, drunk driving. They aren’t checkpoints to check your papers. Owning a gun is a right not a crime.

So all of our firearms are in the hands of law abiding citizens?

When a criminal uses a gun to commit a crime you go after the criminal. You don’t punish the law abiding citizen who exercises their rights in a responsible manner.

 

[KGB]

The Right of THE PEOPLE to Keep and Bear Arms is NOT tied to being in the Militia. It says Right of the People, not the Right of the Government. However, even if it were tied to being in the Militia the unorganized militia which this references means all able bodied men who must own firearms privately in order to fulfill that role.

Or we ban private gun ownership, as there is ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD REASON FOR IT, and limit guns to well-regulated militias such as the police and the military.

How about this...don’t want a gun, don’t buy one. Quit telling other people what they need or don’t need to protect themselves & their families. It’s been explained to you many times that owning a gun is an individual right protected by the Constitution.

Militias aren’t official law enforcement agencies or standing armies like the US military. Well regulated means well trained.

 

[2aguy]

The Right of THE PEOPLE to Keep and Bear Arms is NOT tied to being in the Militia. It says Right of the People, not the Right of the Government. However, even if it were tied to being in the Militia the unorganized militia which this references means all able bodied men who must own firearms privately in order to fulfill that role.

Or we ban private gun ownership, as there is ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD REASON FOR IT, and limit guns to well-regulated militias such as the police and the military.

Except for the victims of rape, robbery and murder who are alive today because they had a gun...you mean except for them....

Or for the 12 million Europeans, who didn't have guns, who were murdered by their governments....or the 25 million Russians, 70 million Chinese, 1/3 of Cambodians, also unarmed, also murdered by their governments, dittos the Rwandans, and Cubans and the Mexicans to our southern border...all unarmed, all murdered....because they didn't have access to guns....

And the 1.1 million Americans each year who use their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder...you know, lives saved.....except for them...right?

 

[2aguy]

Moron.....Britain has always had a low murder rate and a low gun murder rate, long before they banned guns.....t

Exactly, because they don't let any idiot who wanted a gun have one.

You anti-gun extremists don't understand the basic fact that the criminals in other countries do not commit murder, yet, with the lack of control that our criminals do it.

Quite right. Because they can't get guns and stabbing or strangling someone to death is actually hard work. GUns make murder easy. That's why they don't have our murder rates.

What you also do not see because you are blinded by your hatred of guns and gun owners, is that Europe and it's welfare statism is causing the exact same violence problem that we had in going out of the 1960s.....with the same causes....single teenage mothers, attacks on the police, reductions in police manpower and resources and a belief that letting violent criminals loose on society is a good thing....

Here's the problem with that argument. THE EUROPEANS HAVE MORE EXTENSIVE WELFARE THAN WE HAVE!!!

I would LOVE to have a European style welfare state, instead of this working yourself to fucking death to make a few rich assholes richer society we have.

The fact is, they have more welfare, more comprehensive welfare, they throw very few people in prison and they don't have guns.

And their crime rates are a fraction of what our are.

The European out of wedlock birth rate hadn't reached the same destructive level that we have reached in our inner cities.....that is no longer true, which is why their violence rates are spiking.

The only reason their welfare state has managed to this point is everything good in their lives is provided by the U.S.....their military, their technological and medical innovation....all provided for them by us....because they can't afford those things with their welfare state....

 

[August West]

The Right of THE PEOPLE to Keep and Bear Arms is NOT tied to being in the Militia. It says Right of the People, not the Right of the Government. However, even if it were tied to being in the Militia the unorganized militia which this references means all able bodied men who must own firearms privately in order to fulfill that role.

Or we ban private gun ownership, as there is ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD REASON FOR IT, and limit guns to well-regulated militias such as the police and the military.

How about this...don’t want a gun, don’t buy one. Quit telling other people what they need or don’t need to protect themselves & their families. It’s been explained to you many times that owning a gun is an individual right protected by the Constitution.

Militias aren’t official law enforcement agencies or standing armies like the US military. Well regulated means well trained.

Where do you train and who is your commander?

 

[Pilot1]

The Right of THE PEOPLE to Keep and Bear Arms is NOT tied to being in the Militia. It says Right of the People, not the Right of the Government. However, even if it were tied to being in the Militia the unorganized militia which this references means all able bodied men who must own firearms privately in order to fulfill that role.

Or we ban private gun ownership, as there is ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD REASON FOR IT, and limit guns to well-regulated militias such as the police and the military.

How about this...don’t want a gun, don’t buy one. Quit telling other people what they need or don’t need to protect themselves & their families. It’s been explained to you many times that owning a gun is an individual right protected by the Constitution.

Militias aren’t official law enforcement agencies or standing armies like the US military. Well regulated means well trained.

Where do you train and who is your commander?

That has absolutely NO RELEVANCE to the Right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms. None.

Right of THE PEOPLE. NOT Right of the Government.

 

[August West]

YOu mean cities and states deciding what they want their gun laws to be?

I mean, that's terrible, but some of us don't want to live next store to gun nuts.

Cities & states don’t get the power to override the US Constitution.

DUI checkpoints override the Constitution. It`s a public safety issue Vladimir just like seat belts.

DUI checkpoints are in response to an illegal activity, drunk driving. They aren’t checkpoints to check your papers. Owning a gun is a right not a crime.

So all of our firearms are in the hands of law abiding citizens?

When a criminal uses a gun to commit a crime you go after the criminal. You don’t punish the law abiding citizen who exercises their rights in a responsible manner.

You were punished when a criminal committed a crime with a gun? Tell us about this punishment.

 

[JoeB131]

How about this...don’t want a gun, don’t buy one. Quit telling other people what they need or don’t need to protect themselves & their families. It’s been explained to you many times that owning a gun is an individual right protected by the Constitution.

No, the constitution only protects the right of a state to have a militia.

The problem with you gun nuts is that your twisted fetish affects us all. We all live in a world of active shooter drills, security guards, key-lock doors and so on because of your sick fetish.

 

[JoeB131]

The European out of wedlock birth rate hadn't reached the same destructive level that we have reached in our inner cities.....that is no longer true, which is why their violence rates are spiking.

Someone was never killed by a lack of a father.

Guns, on the other hand, are pretty fucking deadly.

Killed by lack of a Dad- 0
Killed by guns - 33,000