The Nuking of Nagasaki: Even More Immoral and Unnecessary than Hiroshima

[elektra]

None of which has anything to do with either nation's economic system.

This is all flying blithely over your head, isn't it.

Yes, how you can describe Marxism only as an economic system, when it is not, is definitely over my head.

You really do not know anything, do you, Marxism is only an economic system?

 

[elektra]

[ It's a bit late to be "saving millions of horrific Russian deaths" when they've already paid with twenty million of them turning the tide of Naziism back.

This is all flying blithely over your head, isn't it.

It is late to be saving millions of russian from death at the hands of Marxism? Then you do not know history, period. Millions died of Marxism, of socialism, after WW II. Millions in Russia, Millions sent to the Gulag. It is said the roads were laid with dead Russians, literally.

Marxism spread to China, Mao Tse Tung? From the USSR? And on to Cambodia and Vietnam. How many died? Millions. How many suffered, millions. Tens of millions? A hundred million?

Marxism is a way of life, not simply an economic system. Anyone who has lived under Marxism knows that deadly truth. Only those who have never lived under Marxism ignore the truth as you do.

 

[elektra]

That doesn't add up. The Soviet advance was part of defeating Japan. It was faced with nukes from afar plus Russians up close. Simultaneous, not serial.

What does not add up is your math. 1+2=russia?

Japan was not faced with nukes from afar, they were faced with nukes and ground zero, in two major cities.

Russians up close? The russians never set foot in japan, the russians never stepped into the water from china?
The Russians never ever were going to be a threat to Japan on the Japanese mainland.

And like we are told here, the Japanese were starving and defeated, when Russia entered China to attack those already beaten by the USA. It certainly was not the Russian war with Germany that made Japan so weak, that a russian army could attack the Japanese in China.

USSR was in no position to invade or dominate anything after bearing the brunt of the war in Europe

Yep, Russia was in no position to attack anything, other than a small army of japanese in china that were already defeated by the USA's war in the Pacific.

 

[harmonica]

Why?

Because the bombs dropped might have failed or the planes downed, I suppose that was one reason to drop them sooner so as to test them.

Anyway it all worked out for the better

The fish was all cooked

they did test them at the Trinity test

They were not dropped from planes nor were there enemy planes to shoot down the B29

Next

A tower was used no altitude fuse needed

yes--I know
........but you don't want to '''test''' an air droppable ''device'' that cost mucho $$$$$$$ and took years to make ..that would be idiotic

Not for the first test perhaps, but would you want to give the enemy unexploded plutonium if the altitude fuse failed? Testing is crucial, test test and test again, then start testing

1. there would not be much left of it from that altitude
2. they would not know at first if it was nuclear
3. they would not be able to use/know how/etc the plutonium for some time

 

[Vandalshandle]

Another major reason that we sought an end to the war as soon as possible, was because the Soviets had just joined in, and would have invaded Japan, if we had not invaded, ourselves, or ended the war with nuclear weapons, first. The end result would have been a Soviet Japan, which would have destabilized the entire Pacific rim. That would have changed history dramatically for the worst, as far as the free world was concerned, not to mention for the Japanese.

The Soviets were supposed to join in. We asked them to.

Prior to that they asked us to join in in Europe, and we dithered in Africa.

I am aware of that, but we knew that we had to defeat Japan before the Soviets could invade her.

That doesn't add up. The Soviet advance was part of defeating Japan. It was faced with nukes from afar plus Russians up close. Simultaneous, not serial.

I don't understand what I am saying that does not add up.

The Soviets agreed to declare war on Japan after Germany was defeated. That agreement predates the atomic bomb by years. The soviets kept that agreement, and started advancing toward Japan from the West. We were not in a position to but Japan under a siege to starve them into giving up, because the Soviets would have continued their advance from the west, and even invade the islands. If we had not invaded the islands, or if we had not ended the war before they could do that, the Soviets would have done the same thing they did in Germany. If we had not used the atomic bomb, we would have been forced to invade Japan to beat the soviets to it, which would have resulted in a million casualties. If we allowed the Soviets to invade Japan, Japan would have ended up as another East Germany.

 

[anynameyouwish]

so we had to nuke 2 cities full of grand parents and children because they didn't have a navy but t hey did have an army so we couldn't nuke the army because we needed them to say "UNCLE" so we kill a whole bunch of innocent grandparents and children because conservatives love killing people...

ok

you win

you had to kill those old people to make them say "uncle"

July 30th, 900 sailors were killed by the Japanese. Yet you make the outrageous claim that the japanese had no navy? August 18th the last B29 is shot down by the japanese, 9 days after Nagasaki, 6 days after the japanese cry "uncle". If I can use your pathetic term.

And how many Americans were crying, "uncle", in the torture camps!!!! How many you piece of shit. They were literally crying uncle, being beaten with bats, suffering, dying, yes americans crying uncle, for their lives, so that they could see their grandparents, and children.

How many died because of people like you! You would of had every american die by torture. You are a problem, your kind have been around since WW II. Afraid to fight, weak, pathetic, allowing americans to cry uncle under extreme torture.

Why, because you hate america so much you would have our men die of cruel torture and beatings under the worst conditions.

Cry uncle, yep, our american prisoners of war cried uncle and they got no quarter.

 

[anynameyouwish]

so we had to nuke 2 cities full of grand parents and children because they didn't have a navy but t hey did have an army so we couldn't nuke the army because we needed them to say "UNCLE" so we kill a whole bunch of innocent grandparents and children because conservatives love killing people...

ok

you win

you had to kill those old people to make them say "uncle"

July 30th, 900 sailors were killed by the Japanese. Yet you make the outrageous claim that the japanese had no navy? August 18th the last B29 is shot down by the japanese, 9 days after Nagasaki, 6 days after the japanese cry "uncle". If I can use your pathetic term.

And how many Americans were crying, "uncle", in the torture camps!!!! How many you piece of shit. They were literally crying uncle, being beaten with bats, suffering, dying, yes americans crying uncle, for their lives, so that they could see their grandparents, and children.

How many died because of people like you! You would of had every american die by torture. You are a problem, your kind have been around since WW II. Afraid to fight, weak, pathetic, allowing americans to cry uncle under extreme torture.

Why, because you hate america so much you would have our men die of cruel torture and beatings under the worst conditions.

Cry uncle, yep, our american prisoners of war cried uncle and they got no quarter.

"And how many Americans were crying, "uncle", in the torture camps!!!! How many you piece of shit. "


I've been told by conservatives that the first person to resort to insults is losing the argument.


You are losing the argument.

I'm sure that because you are a conservative you are making wild, dangerous and false accusations.

(like trump!)



"They were literally crying uncle, being beaten with bats, suffering, dying, yes americans crying uncle, for their lives, so that they could see their grandparents, and children."

And for those crimes against humanity japanese military and government should have been punished severely. If you had nuked an army or the emporers palace I wouldn't take issue.

And they obviously debated whether to nuke a city or a military target.

They chose a city.....2 cities...

I would have nuked a military target. That would have ended the war even sooner!

Think about it....on your right is an army of huns....

to your left is a city of old people and children....

the army of huns is trying to kill you

the old people and children are not.

So....who do you nuke?

the army?

or the old folks and the children?


"How many died because of people like you! You would of had every american die by torture. You are a problem, your kind have been around since WW II. Afraid to fight, weak, pathetic, allowing americans to cry uncle under extreme torture."

and now you have gone off the deep end and started accusing me of vile crimes that are untrue.

These are disgusting and deplorable LIES!

If you truly believe these vile lies then I have no doubt you would want to kill ME, to......right?




"Why, because you hate america so much you would have our men die of cruel torture and beatings under the worst conditions."

more deranged lies.

and that is why rational people can never try to discuss issues with conservatives.


YOU leap to erroneous and dangerous and false conclusions.

You are practically insane.

 

[harmonica]

so we had to nuke 2 cities full of grand parents and children because they didn't have a navy but t hey did have an army so we couldn't nuke the army because we needed them to say "UNCLE" so we kill a whole bunch of innocent grandparents and children because conservatives love killing people...

ok

you win

you had to kill those old people to make them say "uncle"

July 30th, 900 sailors were killed by the Japanese. Yet you make the outrageous claim that the japanese had no navy? August 18th the last B29 is shot down by the japanese, 9 days after Nagasaki, 6 days after the japanese cry "uncle". If I can use your pathetic term.

And how many Americans were crying, "uncle", in the torture camps!!!! How many you piece of shit. They were literally crying uncle, being beaten with bats, suffering, dying, yes americans crying uncle, for their lives, so that they could see their grandparents, and children.

How many died because of people like you! You would of had every american die by torture. You are a problem, your kind have been around since WW II. Afraid to fight, weak, pathetic, allowing americans to cry uncle under extreme torture.

Why, because you hate america so much you would have our men die of cruel torture and beatings under the worst conditions.

Cry uncle, yep, our american prisoners of war cried uncle and they got no quarter.

"And how many Americans were crying, "uncle", in the torture camps!!!! How many you piece of shit. "


I've been told by conservatives that the first person to resort to insults is losing the argument.


You are losing the argument.

I'm sure that because you are a conservative you are making wild, dangerous and false accusations.

(like trump!)



"They were literally crying uncle, being beaten with bats, suffering, dying, yes americans crying uncle, for their lives, so that they could see their grandparents, and children."

And for those crimes against humanity japanese military and government should have been punished severely. If you had nuked an army or the emporers palace I wouldn't take issue.

And they obviously debated whether to nuke a city or a military target.

They chose a city.....2 cities...

I would have nuked a military target. That would have ended the war even sooner!

Think about it....on your right is an army of huns....

to your left is a city of old people and children....

the army of huns is trying to kill you

the old people and children are not.

So....who do you nuke?

the army?

or the old folks and the children?


"How many died because of people like you! You would of had every american die by torture. You are a problem, your kind have been around since WW II. Afraid to fight, weak, pathetic, allowing americans to cry uncle under extreme torture."

and now you have gone off the deep end and started accusing me of vile crimes that are untrue.

These are disgusting and deplorable LIES!

If you truly believe these vile lies then I have no doubt you would want to kill ME, to......right?




"Why, because you hate america so much you would have our men die of cruel torture and beatings under the worst conditions."

more deranged lies.

and that is why rational people can never try to discuss issues with conservatives.


YOU leap to erroneous and dangerous and false conclusions.

You are practically insane.

military target would not have the shock effect that hitting a city did
which military target would you have hit?

 

[anynameyouwish]

so we had to nuke 2 cities full of grand parents and children because they didn't have a navy but t hey did have an army so we couldn't nuke the army because we needed them to say "UNCLE" so we kill a whole bunch of innocent grandparents and children because conservatives love killing people...

ok

you win

you had to kill those old people to make them say "uncle"

July 30th, 900 sailors were killed by the Japanese. Yet you make the outrageous claim that the japanese had no navy? August 18th the last B29 is shot down by the japanese, 9 days after Nagasaki, 6 days after the japanese cry "uncle". If I can use your pathetic term.

And how many Americans were crying, "uncle", in the torture camps!!!! How many you piece of shit. They were literally crying uncle, being beaten with bats, suffering, dying, yes americans crying uncle, for their lives, so that they could see their grandparents, and children.

How many died because of people like you! You would of had every american die by torture. You are a problem, your kind have been around since WW II. Afraid to fight, weak, pathetic, allowing americans to cry uncle under extreme torture.

Why, because you hate america so much you would have our men die of cruel torture and beatings under the worst conditions.

Cry uncle, yep, our american prisoners of war cried uncle and they got no quarter.

This appeal to emotion fallacy is a failed and transparent attempt at changing the subject. The frequent brutality of the Japanese military against prisoners of war is not in contention here.

You are an idiot, how else do you explain such a sexually deprived user name.

Yes, I understand you wish to deflect from the subject, ending the war so that the american prisoners of war may live.

Of all the arguments, this is the one you desire to be talked about the least, if at all.

Dropping two bombs saved the lives of American pow,

It ended thier horror.

Your protest is pitiful and disgusting.

so we had to nuke 2 cities full of grand parents and children because they didn't have a navy but t hey did have an army so we couldn't nuke the army because we needed them to say "UNCLE" so we kill a whole bunch of innocent grandparents and children because conservatives love killing people...

ok

you win

you had to kill those old people to make them say "uncle"

July 30th, 900 sailors were killed by the Japanese. Yet you make the outrageous claim that the japanese had no navy? August 18th the last B29 is shot down by the japanese, 9 days after Nagasaki, 6 days after the japanese cry "uncle". If I can use your pathetic term.

And how many Americans were crying, "uncle", in the torture camps!!!! How many you piece of shit. They were literally crying uncle, being beaten with bats, suffering, dying, yes americans crying uncle, for their lives, so that they could see their grandparents, and children.

How many died because of people like you! You would of had every american die by torture. You are a problem, your kind have been around since WW II. Afraid to fight, weak, pathetic, allowing americans to cry uncle under extreme torture.

Why, because you hate america so much you would have our men die of cruel torture and beatings under the worst conditions.

Cry uncle, yep, our american prisoners of war cried uncle and they got no quarter.

This appeal to emotion fallacy is a failed and transparent attempt at changing the subject. The frequent brutality of the Japanese military against prisoners of war is not in contention here.

You are an idiot, how else do you explain such a sexually deprived user name.

Yes, I understand you wish to deflect from the subject, ending the war so that the american prisoners of war may live.

Of all the arguments, this is the one you desire to be talked about the least, if at all.

Dropping two bombs saved the lives of American pow,

It ended thier horror.

Your protest is pitiful and disgusting.

you murdered US soldiers!


YOU MURDERED US SOLDIERS!

by choosing 2 cities instead of 2 military targets you actually prolonged the war!

japanese soldiers who were NOT NUKED lived to kill more American troops!

If you had nuked these military targets instead of cities those japanese soldiers would have been dead and unable to kill any more US troops.


YOU caused the death of MORE US TROOPS by NOT nuking a military target and choosing, instead, to kill grandparents and children,

 

[harmonica]

so we had to nuke 2 cities full of grand parents and children because they didn't have a navy but t hey did have an army so we couldn't nuke the army because we needed them to say "UNCLE" so we kill a whole bunch of innocent grandparents and children because conservatives love killing people...

ok

you win

you had to kill those old people to make them say "uncle"

July 30th, 900 sailors were killed by the Japanese. Yet you make the outrageous claim that the japanese had no navy? August 18th the last B29 is shot down by the japanese, 9 days after Nagasaki, 6 days after the japanese cry "uncle". If I can use your pathetic term.

And how many Americans were crying, "uncle", in the torture camps!!!! How many you piece of shit. They were literally crying uncle, being beaten with bats, suffering, dying, yes americans crying uncle, for their lives, so that they could see their grandparents, and children.

How many died because of people like you! You would of had every american die by torture. You are a problem, your kind have been around since WW II. Afraid to fight, weak, pathetic, allowing americans to cry uncle under extreme torture.

Why, because you hate america so much you would have our men die of cruel torture and beatings under the worst conditions.

Cry uncle, yep, our american prisoners of war cried uncle and they got no quarter.

This appeal to emotion fallacy is a failed and transparent attempt at changing the subject. The frequent brutality of the Japanese military against prisoners of war is not in contention here.

You are an idiot, how else do you explain such a sexually deprived user name.

Yes, I understand you wish to deflect from the subject, ending the war so that the american prisoners of war may live.

Of all the arguments, this is the one you desire to be talked about the least, if at all.

Dropping two bombs saved the lives of American pow,

It ended thier horror.

Your protest is pitiful and disgusting.

so we had to nuke 2 cities full of grand parents and children because they didn't have a navy but t hey did have an army so we couldn't nuke the army because we needed them to say "UNCLE" so we kill a whole bunch of innocent grandparents and children because conservatives love killing people...

ok

you win

you had to kill those old people to make them say "uncle"

July 30th, 900 sailors were killed by the Japanese. Yet you make the outrageous claim that the japanese had no navy? August 18th the last B29 is shot down by the japanese, 9 days after Nagasaki, 6 days after the japanese cry "uncle". If I can use your pathetic term.

And how many Americans were crying, "uncle", in the torture camps!!!! How many you piece of shit. They were literally crying uncle, being beaten with bats, suffering, dying, yes americans crying uncle, for their lives, so that they could see their grandparents, and children.

How many died because of people like you! You would of had every american die by torture. You are a problem, your kind have been around since WW II. Afraid to fight, weak, pathetic, allowing americans to cry uncle under extreme torture.

Why, because you hate america so much you would have our men die of cruel torture and beatings under the worst conditions.

Cry uncle, yep, our american prisoners of war cried uncle and they got no quarter.

This appeal to emotion fallacy is a failed and transparent attempt at changing the subject. The frequent brutality of the Japanese military against prisoners of war is not in contention here.

You are an idiot, how else do you explain such a sexually deprived user name.

Yes, I understand you wish to deflect from the subject, ending the war so that the american prisoners of war may live.

Of all the arguments, this is the one you desire to be talked about the least, if at all.

Dropping two bombs saved the lives of American pow,

It ended thier horror.

Your protest is pitiful and disgusting.

you murdered US soldiers!


YOU MURDERED US SOLDIERS!

by choosing 2 cities instead of 2 military targets you actually prolonged the war!

japanese soldiers who were NOT NUKED lived to kill more American troops!

If you had nuked these military targets instead of cities those japanese soldiers would have been dead and unable to kill any more US troops.


YOU caused the death of MORE US TROOPS by NOT nuking a military target and choosing, instead, to kill grandparents and children,

what???!!!!!

 

[Frannie]

Because the bombs dropped might have failed or the planes downed, I suppose that was one reason to drop them sooner so as to test them.

Anyway it all worked out for the better

The fish was all cooked

they did test them at the Trinity test

They were not dropped from planes nor were there enemy planes to shoot down the B29

Next

A tower was used no altitude fuse needed

yes--I know
........but you don't want to '''test''' an air droppable ''device'' that cost mucho $$$$$$$ and took years to make ..that would be idiotic

Not for the first test perhaps, but would you want to give the enemy unexploded plutonium if the altitude fuse failed? Testing is crucial, test test and test again, then start testing

1. there would not be much left of it from that altitude
2. they would not know at first if it was nuclear
3. they would not be able to use/know how/etc the plutonium for some time

And they would have just wasted one of the most expensive exotic substances on the Earth

 

[Frannie]

so we had to nuke 2 cities full of grand parents and children because they didn't have a navy but t hey did have an army so we couldn't nuke the army because we needed them to say "UNCLE" so we kill a whole bunch of innocent grandparents and children because conservatives love killing people...

ok

you win

you had to kill those old people to make them say "uncle"

July 30th, 900 sailors were killed by the Japanese. Yet you make the outrageous claim that the japanese had no navy? August 18th the last B29 is shot down by the japanese, 9 days after Nagasaki, 6 days after the japanese cry "uncle". If I can use your pathetic term.

And how many Americans were crying, "uncle", in the torture camps!!!! How many you piece of shit. They were literally crying uncle, being beaten with bats, suffering, dying, yes americans crying uncle, for their lives, so that they could see their grandparents, and children.

How many died because of people like you! You would of had every american die by torture. You are a problem, your kind have been around since WW II. Afraid to fight, weak, pathetic, allowing americans to cry uncle under extreme torture.

Why, because you hate america so much you would have our men die of cruel torture and beatings under the worst conditions.

Cry uncle, yep, our american prisoners of war cried uncle and they got no quarter.

"And how many Americans were crying, "uncle", in the torture camps!!!! How many you piece of shit. "


I've been told by conservatives that the first person to resort to insults is losing the argument.


You are losing the argument.

I'm sure that because you are a conservative you are making wild, dangerous and false accusations.

(like trump!)



"They were literally crying uncle, being beaten with bats, suffering, dying, yes americans crying uncle, for their lives, so that they could see their grandparents, and children."

And for those crimes against humanity japanese military and government should have been punished severely. If you had nuked an army or the emporers palace I wouldn't take issue.

And they obviously debated whether to nuke a city or a military target.

They chose a city.....2 cities...

I would have nuked a military target. That would have ended the war even sooner!

Think about it....on your right is an army of huns....

to your left is a city of old people and children....

the army of huns is trying to kill you

the old people and children are not.

So....who do you nuke?

the army?

or the old folks and the children?


"How many died because of people like you! You would of had every american die by torture. You are a problem, your kind have been around since WW II. Afraid to fight, weak, pathetic, allowing americans to cry uncle under extreme torture."

and now you have gone off the deep end and started accusing me of vile crimes that are untrue.

These are disgusting and deplorable LIES!

If you truly believe these vile lies then I have no doubt you would want to kill ME, to......right?




"Why, because you hate america so much you would have our men die of cruel torture and beatings under the worst conditions."

more deranged lies.

and that is why rational people can never try to discuss issues with conservatives.


YOU leap to erroneous and dangerous and false conclusions.

You are practically insane.

Is it fun being a triggered retard

 

[Frannie]

Another major reason that we sought an end to the war as soon as possible, was because the Soviets had just joined in, and would have invaded Japan, if we had not invaded, ourselves, or ended the war with nuclear weapons, first. The end result would have been a Soviet Japan, which would have destabilized the entire Pacific rim. That would have changed history dramatically for the worst, as far as the free world was concerned, not to mention for the Japanese.

The Soviets were supposed to join in. We asked them to.

Prior to that they asked us to join in in Europe, and we dithered in Africa.

I am aware of that, but we knew that we had to defeat Japan before the Soviets could invade her.

That doesn't add up. The Soviet advance was part of defeating Japan. It was faced with nukes from afar plus Russians up close. Simultaneous, not serial.

I don't understand what I am saying that does not add up.

The Soviets agreed to declare war on Japan after Germany was defeated. That agreement predates the atomic bomb by years. The soviets kept that agreement, and started advancing toward Japan from the West. We were not in a position to but Japan under a siege to starve them into giving up, because the Soviets would have continued their advance from the west, and even invade the islands. If we had not invaded the islands, or if we had not ended the war before they could do that, the Soviets would have done the same thing they did in Germany. If we had not used the atomic bomb, we would have been forced to invade Japan to beat the soviets to it, which would have resulted in a million casualties. If we allowed the Soviets to invade Japan, Japan would have ended up as another East Germany.

The Soviets never were a US ally, Patton knew this, depending on Stalin would be like inviting killer bees into your home to make honey

 

[Kilroy2]

[/QUOTE]military target would not have the shock effect that hitting a city did
which military target would you have hit?[/QUOTE]


unfortunately it is illegal to bomb civilian targets and the US signed and congress ratified acceptance of the Geneva Conventions Protocols 1

An attack or action must be intended to help in the military defeat of the enemy; it must be an attack on a military objective, and the harm caused to civilians or civilian property must be proportional and not excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated.

Even though they say there were industrial war factories in the 2 cities, the fact remains Japan navy and air force were already defeated. In one year leading up to the peace treaty, The US was dropping bombs like crazy with no interference. One such incident in Mar where bombers using fire bombs turned Tokyo into a blazing infernal killing more than 100,000 people. It took two nuclear bombs to meet that same target but I guess those cities had lessor population than Tokyo.

The question would be was there a moral obligation to not cause excessive harm to civilians by the US agreeing to the Geneva convention

To be legal, aerial operations must comply with the principles of humanitarian law military necessity, distinction , and proportionality

proportionality would be my concern as it appears to be excessive indiscriminate bombing

which does create a moral dilemma when do civilian casualties become excessive

nuclear weapons which destroy a greatly extended area beyond military necessity even fire bombing a city is excessive.

The conventions are there to protect civilians and limit barbarity which in war is hard to control

as a signee did the US have a moral obligation to adhere to the genova convention

 

[M14 Shooter]

as a signee did the US have a moral obligation to adhere to the genova convention

If so, the US violated this moral obligation ling before the nukes were dropped.
So...?

 

[elektra]

so we had to nuke 2 cities full of grand parents and children because they didn't have a navy but t hey did have an army so we couldn't nuke the army because we needed them to say "UNCLE" so we kill a whole bunch of innocent grandparents and children because conservatives love killing people...

ok

you win

you had to kill those old people to make them say "uncle"

July 30th, 900 sailors were killed by the Japanese. Yet you make the outrageous claim that the japanese had no navy? August 18th the last B29 is shot down by the japanese, 9 days after Nagasaki, 6 days after the japanese cry "uncle". If I can use your pathetic term.

And how many Americans were crying, "uncle", in the torture camps!!!! How many you piece of shit. They were literally crying uncle, being beaten with bats, suffering, dying, yes americans crying uncle, for their lives, so that they could see their grandparents, and children.

How many died because of people like you! You would of had every american die by torture. You are a problem, your kind have been around since WW II. Afraid to fight, weak, pathetic, allowing americans to cry uncle under extreme torture.

Why, because you hate america so much you would have our men die of cruel torture and beatings under the worst conditions.

Cry uncle, yep, our american prisoners of war cried uncle and they got no quarter.

This appeal to emotion fallacy is a failed and transparent attempt at changing the subject. The frequent brutality of the Japanese military against prisoners of war is not in contention here.

You are an idiot, how else do you explain such a sexually deprived user name.

Yes, I understand you wish to deflect from the subject, ending the war so that the american prisoners of war may live.

Of all the arguments, this is the one you desire to be talked about the least, if at all.

Dropping two bombs saved the lives of American pow,

It ended thier horror.

Your protest is pitiful and disgusting.

so we had to nuke 2 cities full of grand parents and children because they didn't have a navy but t hey did have an army so we couldn't nuke the army because we needed them to say "UNCLE" so we kill a whole bunch of innocent grandparents and children because conservatives love killing people...

ok

you win

you had to kill those old people to make them say "uncle"

July 30th, 900 sailors were killed by the Japanese. Yet you make the outrageous claim that the japanese had no navy? August 18th the last B29 is shot down by the japanese, 9 days after Nagasaki, 6 days after the japanese cry "uncle". If I can use your pathetic term.

And how many Americans were crying, "uncle", in the torture camps!!!! How many you piece of shit. They were literally crying uncle, being beaten with bats, suffering, dying, yes americans crying uncle, for their lives, so that they could see their grandparents, and children.

How many died because of people like you! You would of had every american die by torture. You are a problem, your kind have been around since WW II. Afraid to fight, weak, pathetic, allowing americans to cry uncle under extreme torture.

Why, because you hate america so much you would have our men die of cruel torture and beatings under the worst conditions.

Cry uncle, yep, our american prisoners of war cried uncle and they got no quarter.

This appeal to emotion fallacy is a failed and transparent attempt at changing the subject. The frequent brutality of the Japanese military against prisoners of war is not in contention here.

You are an idiot, how else do you explain such a sexually deprived user name.

Yes, I understand you wish to deflect from the subject, ending the war so that the american prisoners of war may live.

Of all the arguments, this is the one you desire to be talked about the least, if at all.

Dropping two bombs saved the lives of American pow,

It ended thier horror.

Your protest is pitiful and disgusting.

you murdered US soldiers!


YOU MURDERED US SOLDIERS!

by choosing 2 cities instead of 2 military targets you actually prolonged the war!

japanese soldiers who were NOT NUKED lived to kill more American troops!

If you had nuked these military targets instead of cities those japanese soldiers would have been dead and unable to kill any more US troops.


YOU caused the death of MORE US TROOPS by NOT nuking a military target and choosing, instead, to kill grandparents and children,

Now the bombs prolonged the war? I guess it depends on what time it is and if you arguing Russia ended the war or not? But of course your side was preaching the war was over? Months before?

What military target should we have nuked?

 

[elektra]

"And how many Americans were crying, "uncle", in the torture camps!!!! How many you piece of shit. "


I've been told by conservatives that the first person to resort to insults is losing the argument.


You are losing the argument.

I'm sure that because you are a conservative you are making wild, dangerous and false accusations.

(like trump!)

You are practically insane.

I guess, because you insulted me first, and I never insulted you, that would mean by the rule you just introduced, you lose?

 

[elektra]

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"And how many Americans were crying, "uncle", in the torture camps!!!! How many you piece of shit. "

I've been told by conservatives that the first person to resort to insults is losing the argument.

I'm sure that because you are a conservative you are making wild, dangerous and false accusations.

(like trump!)
"They were literally crying uncle, being beaten with bats, suffering, dying, yes americans crying uncle, for their lives, so that they could see their grandparents, and children."

And for those crimes against humanity japanese military and government should have been punished severely. If you had nuked an army or the emporers palace I wouldn't take issue.

And they obviously debated whether to nuke a city or a military target.

They chose a city.....2 cities...

I would have nuked a military target. That would have ended the war even sooner!

Think about it....on your right is an army of huns....

to your left is a city of old people and children....

the army of huns is trying to kill you

the old people and children are not.

So....who do you nuke?

the army?

or the old folks and the children?

"How many died because of people like you! You would of had every american die by torture. You are a problem, your kind have been around since WW II. Afraid to fight, weak, pathetic, allowing americans to cry uncle under extreme torture."

and now you have gone off the deep end and started accusing me of vile crimes that are untrue.

These are disgusting and deplorable LIES!

If you truly believe these vile lies then I have no doubt you would want to kill ME, to......right?

Yes, we see the DemoRATs are psycho killers, you are so afraid of your own shadow, you would hang black people in the year 1900 while hiding under sheets.

You are no different, with your crazy psycho fear, I know that when you say conservatives would kill, it really means you will be the first one to grap a rope and look for a black man. Yes, the KKK and all the leaders were white demoRATs. Now the demoRATs have a new boogeyman to fear. A person that has never been in politics? How irrational your fear and hatred is.

I am so glad you took the time to display for everyone to see, the type of psychotic person we are up against, and what they will do.

You will kill what you fear, given half a chance.


"Why, because you hate america so much you would have our men die of cruel torture and beatings under the worst conditions."

more deranged lies.

and that is why rational people can never try to discuss issues with conservatives.


YOU leap to erroneous and dangerous and false conclusions.

You are practically insane.

 

[anynameyouwish]

so we had to nuke 2 cities full of grand parents and children because they didn't have a navy but t hey did have an army so we couldn't nuke the army because we needed them to say "UNCLE" so we kill a whole bunch of innocent grandparents and children because conservatives love killing people...

ok

you win

you had to kill those old people to make them say "uncle"

July 30th, 900 sailors were killed by the Japanese. Yet you make the outrageous claim that the japanese had no navy? August 18th the last B29 is shot down by the japanese, 9 days after Nagasaki, 6 days after the japanese cry "uncle". If I can use your pathetic term.

And how many Americans were crying, "uncle", in the torture camps!!!! How many you piece of shit. They were literally crying uncle, being beaten with bats, suffering, dying, yes americans crying uncle, for their lives, so that they could see their grandparents, and children.

How many died because of people like you! You would of had every american die by torture. You are a problem, your kind have been around since WW II. Afraid to fight, weak, pathetic, allowing americans to cry uncle under extreme torture.

Why, because you hate america so much you would have our men die of cruel torture and beatings under the worst conditions.

Cry uncle, yep, our american prisoners of war cried uncle and they got no quarter.

"And how many Americans were crying, "uncle", in the torture camps!!!! How many you piece of shit. "


I've been told by conservatives that the first person to resort to insults is losing the argument.


You are losing the argument.

I'm sure that because you are a conservative you are making wild, dangerous and false accusations.

(like trump!)



"They were literally crying uncle, being beaten with bats, suffering, dying, yes americans crying uncle, for their lives, so that they could see their grandparents, and children."

And for those crimes against humanity japanese military and government should have been punished severely. If you had nuked an army or the emporers palace I wouldn't take issue.

And they obviously debated whether to nuke a city or a military target.

They chose a city.....2 cities...

I would have nuked a military target. That would have ended the war even sooner!

Think about it....on your right is an army of huns....

to your left is a city of old people and children....

the army of huns is trying to kill you

the old people and children are not.

So....who do you nuke?

the army?

or the old folks and the children?


"How many died because of people like you! You would of had every american die by torture. You are a problem, your kind have been around since WW II. Afraid to fight, weak, pathetic, allowing americans to cry uncle under extreme torture."

and now you have gone off the deep end and started accusing me of vile crimes that are untrue.

These are disgusting and deplorable LIES!

If you truly believe these vile lies then I have no doubt you would want to kill ME, to......right?




"Why, because you hate america so much you would have our men die of cruel torture and beatings under the worst conditions."

more deranged lies.

and that is why rational people can never try to discuss issues with conservatives.


YOU leap to erroneous and dangerous and false conclusions.

You are practically insane.

military target would not have the shock effect that hitting a city did
which military target would you have hit?

"military target would not have the shock effect that hitting a city did"


That's what the 911 terrorists believed.....

"which military target would you have hit?"

any army or navy or base or even the emperors castle

Now you say "but they didn't HAVE any army or navy left!"

and I'll respond....then it wasn't necessary to bomb any city


all we had to was land and take over

no need to incinerate children and grandparents....

 

[Doc7505]

Here's the thing. At the time, it was just another weapon in a war that saw all sorts of weapons used by all sides... Horror on a level most of us couldn't understand today.

Later on, when Nukes became an existential threat to the species, people asked why we used them, but at the time, there was no question. We were at war, they started it.

It's a wonderful case of applying modern values to people in the past who would have looked at you funny.

It did not have to be a question of whether we used them or not

Did we have to choose targets where 150,000 civilians were killed?
Could a non lethal “demonstration” have yielded the same results?

Drop one in a low populated or strictly military area and let the Japanese evaluate the results. Then tell them we have dozens just like it and would target Tokyo next

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As a person that was alive and aware at the time the two bombs were dropped on Japan, I can tell you that you're full of crap. History proves that made the right decision. The invasion of Okinawa proved that the invasion of the four main islands of Japan would be a blood bath on both sides. I suggest you read about Operation Olympic and Operation Coronet and the overall plan Operation Downfall.
Without the use the two "Atomic Bombs", The U.S. military, expecting resistance by a “fanatically hostile population,” made preparations for between 1.7 and 4 million casualties with up to 800,000 dead. Between 5 and 10 million Japanese deaths were projected. By dropping the bombs yes up to two hundred twenty five thousand died as compared to estimates of a full fledged invasion.