The Nuking of Nagasaki: Even More Immoral and Unnecessary than Hiroshima

[RetiredGySgt]

The victors write the history books. It's easy to find evidence that the Japanese were so desperate for reasonable surrender terms that they went to Stalin. "Give 'em Hell Harry" refused to even send an envoy. The hangup in the FDR doctrine of "unconditional surrender" was the Japanese Emperor. The Japanese holdouts wanted to keep the Emperor from being executed but Truman refused to consider it. Ironically the Emperor's life was spared after Truman authorized the incineration of a million Japanese civilians. God help us but the only nuclear attack in history is on the soul of America.

That is a bald faced LIE, ALL the Japanese ever offered was Ceasefire and return to 41 start lines with no concessions in China.

 

[Anathema]

... God help us but the only nuclear attack in history is on the soul of America.

I’m more than happy to have it on my Soul as an American.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

It was a combination of both. I posted the link. Do fuck yourself you antisemitic asshole.

You can post whatever links you want.. The A-bombs just weren't all that impressive (small compared to today's bombs). The fact that 100 new battled hardened divisions of Rape-y Soviets just showed up on their western flank did.

Your opinion is meaningless to me. I hope you are offended

 

[sparky]

You people are beyond stupid when you listen to revisionist stories about how Japan was gonna surrender, lets talk FACTS shall we

Sure

Truman was as racist as a human being could get, used the N word , and considered Asians below the N word

Manchuria ,along with Japans back yard was up for grabs

And the Russians , who offe'd their OWN czar, would have thought nothing of publicly executing an emperor

Now the Japanese did have quite the squabble among higher up's after Fat man and Little boy debuted, but it was all about a surrender negotiation that had BEEN on the table, vs. one they (the bomb) created for them

~S~

 

[Weatherman2020]

Most of the Soviets lost were civilians who were handed a stick and told to charge the German lines or be shot on the spot.

Commies at their finest.

Um, yeah, given the Germans were going to turn them into lampshades and bars of soap, they didn't need that much coaxing.

By 1945, they were battle-hardened divisions... Ones that raped the crap out of Germany and were looking for more in Japan.

Look at the loss of life on just Okinawa and you have your answer on what the mainland invasion was going to be like.

Actually, not really. Most of the hard-core divisions were deployed in China or had been lost in the Pacific. What they had left in Japan were the reserves, not well armed, not well trained.

It would have made Fallujah look like a playground.

 

[Weatherman2020]

we've been over this a million times
it was necessary -- plain and simple

Why?

What would have happened if we didn’t kill 150,000 civilians?

no surrender and MORE Japanese dead than at Hiroshima and Nagasaki
......for the millionth time--even after the bombs --the vote to surrender was TIED
get it??

and---MORE would've died if we did NOT bomb them!!!!!!!!!!!
How Hiroshima and Nagasaki Saved Millions of Lives

AND more died in the Tokyo conventional bombing LONG before the A bombs and no surrender---ETC

We had a bomb
Nobody else did

There was no reason to invade
Was two bombs on densely populated civilian cities the only option to get them to realize the war was lost?

We had a bomb
Nobody else did

There was no reason to invade

Correct. That’s why we kept bombing until they said uncle.

 

[elektra]

You people are beyond stupid when you listen to revisionist stories about how Japan was gonna surrender, lets talk FACTS shall we

Sure

Truman was as racist as a human being could get, used the N word , and considered Asians below the N word

Manchuria ,along with Japans back yard was up for grabs

And the Russians , who offe'd their OWN czar, would have thought nothing of publicly executing an emperor

Now the Japanese did have quite the squabble among higher up's after Fat man and Little boy debuted, but it was all about a surrender negotiation that had BEEN on the table, vs. one they (the bomb) created for them

~S~

Oh my God, Truman used the N word? That would make the Democrats racist! I guess we can not argue there.

The Japanese? Too vague in relation to the facts of history.

What was on the table? Care to enlighten us so that there is at least a bit of revisionist history to converse about.

 

[Weatherman2020]

we've been over this a million times
it was necessary -- plain and simple

Why?

What would have happened if we didn’t kill 150,000 civilians?

no surrender and MORE Japanese dead than at Hiroshima and Nagasaki
......for the millionth time--even after the bombs --the vote to surrender was TIED
get it??

and---MORE would've died if we did NOT bomb them!!!!!!!!!!!
How Hiroshima and Nagasaki Saved Millions of Lives

AND more died in the Tokyo conventional bombing LONG before the A bombs and no surrender---ETC

We had a bomb
Nobody else did

There was no reason to invade
Was two bombs on densely populated civilian cities the only option to get them to realize the war was lost?

what do you not understand?
...do you people know we ''ran out of targets and low on conventional bombs'' BEFORE the A-bombs
we destroyed all of their major cities
and they were NOT surrendering
there--in big black letters

also---Germany was NOT surrendering UNTIL the Russians took over the Reichstag
they were NOT surrendering

please--all of you Great Politicians/ MILITARY leaders---please tell me what you would done??????!!!!!

There were plenty of targets

We could have chose a military target on a remote island. Completely obliterated it and documented the results. Allow Japan to evaluate what had happened and give them thirty days to unconditionally surrender.
Terms are....next one hits Tokyo

There were plenty of targets

Nope. Most of Japan infrastructure was fire bombed to ashes at that point.

 

[sparky]

Truman used the N word

“I think one man is just as good as another,” he said, “as long as he’s honest and decent and not a ****** or a Chinaman.”

The Conversion Of Harry Truman | AMERICAN HERITAGE

~S~

 

[sparky]

What was on the table? Care to enlighten us so that there is at least a bit of revisionist history to converse about.

~S~

 

[Weatherman2020]

Truman used the N word

“I think one man is just as good as another,” he said, “as long as he’s honest and decent and not a ****** or a Chinaman.”

The Conversion Of Harry Truman | AMERICAN HERITAGE

~S~

The n word then was as common as black is today.

 

[elektra]

Henry Stimson, Secretary of War

http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/ps/japan/stimson_harpers.pdf

My chief purpose was to end the war in victory with the least possible cost in the lives of the men in the armies which I had helped to raise. In the light of the alternatives which, on a fair estimate, were open to us I believe that no man in our position and subject to our responsibilities, holding in his hands a weapon of such possibilities for accomplishing this purpose and saving those lives, could have failed to use it and afterwards looked his countrymen in the face.

 

[whitehall]

The victors write the history books. It's easy to find evidence that the Japanese were so desperate for reasonable surrender terms that they went to Stalin. "Give 'em Hell Harry" refused to even send an envoy. The hangup in the FDR doctrine of "unconditional surrender" was the Japanese Emperor. The Japanese holdouts wanted to keep the Emperor from being executed but Truman refused to consider it. Ironically the Emperor's life was spared after Truman authorized the incineration of a million Japanese civilians. God help us but the only nuclear attack in history is on the soul of America.

That is a bald faced LIE, ALL the Japanese ever offered was Ceasefire and return to 41 start lines with no concessions in China.

Wouldn't a "cease fire" be good enough to prevent the innocent citizens of two cities from becoming the victims of the horrors of the worst nightmare in the 20th century and beyond? The dirty little secret is that the egg heads who developed the monstrosity were desperate to see how effective it would be on humans and the Japanese were the likely targets and little timid dumb Harry Truman was the ideal guy to sign the order. Don't worry about your legacy Harry, the mainstream media will take care of it.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The victors write the history books. It's easy to find evidence that the Japanese were so desperate for reasonable surrender terms that they went to Stalin. "Give 'em Hell Harry" refused to even send an envoy. The hangup in the FDR doctrine of "unconditional surrender" was the Japanese Emperor. The Japanese holdouts wanted to keep the Emperor from being executed but Truman refused to consider it. Ironically the Emperor's life was spared after Truman authorized the incineration of a million Japanese civilians. God help us but the only nuclear attack in history is on the soul of America.

That is a bald faced LIE, ALL the Japanese ever offered was Ceasefire and return to 41 start lines with no concessions in China.

Wouldn't a "cease fire" be good enough to prevent the innocent citizens of two cities from becoming the victims of the horrors of the worst nightmare in the 20th century and beyond? The dirty little secret is that the egg heads who developed the monstrosity were desperate to see how effective it would be on humans and the Japanese were the likely targets and little timid dumb Harry Truman was the ideal guy to sign the order. Don't worry about your legacy Harry, the mainstream media will take care of it.

So after 4 years of bloody war with MILLIONS dead we should just forgive the Japanese and leave them alone ohh and allow them to continue to ravage China..... Good god you ARE stupid.

 

[elektra]

Truman used the N word

“I think one man is just as good as another,” he said, “as long as he’s honest and decent and not a ****** or a Chinaman.”

The Conversion Of Harry Truman | AMERICAN HERITAGE

~S~

No quote of what is relevant?

 

[elektra]

What was on the table? Care to enlighten us so that there is at least a bit of revisionist history to converse about.

~S~

This video explains that truman used the bomb as just another piece of artillery. Simply the biggest bomb, not so different than any other large weapon we could use. The video also explains that the japanese were not going to surrender until the bomb got dropped on hiroshima, which changed the emperors mind. The video then explains the 2nd bomb was needed to convince the Japanese military. I dont have time to listen the part that explains revisionist history so I can not comment on that. Surprisingly, the bits I did listen certainly confirm my posts.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Henry Stimson, Secretary of War

http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/ps/japan/stimson_harpers.pdf

My chief purpose was to end the war in victory with the least possible cost in the lives of the men in the armies which I had helped to raise. In the light of the alternatives which, on a fair estimate, were open to us I believe that no man in our position and subject to our responsibilities, holding in his hands a weapon of such possibilities for accomplishing this purpose and saving those lives, could have failed to use it and afterwards looked his countrymen in the face.

That is obscenely absurd and revisionist. Stimson didn't even really write that article. He was pressured into "writing" it, and then his "draft" was heavily edited by others. By the time he "wrote" it, he was quite ill.

Months before we nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan was already prostrate, starving, and virtually powerless. The home islands were cut off from China. The Japanese people were approaching the point of starvation. Japan was virtually defenseless against air and naval attacks. Consider:

-- In July 1945 the Japanese government was forced to impose yet another cut in staple food rations: a cut of 10%, in fact. As a result, the food ration per person fell below 1700 calories, well below the minimum needed to maintain basic health. The United States Strategic Bombing Survey, published in 1946, noted.

Undernourishment produced a major increase in the incidence of beriberi and tuberculosis. It also had an important effect on the efficiency and morale of the people, and contributed to absenteeism among workers. (p. 21)​

-- Cases of night blindness due to malnutrition became common.

-- Japan was even running so low on rice that the government announced a program to process acorns as a substitute for rice.

-- The food shortage became so bad that the government actually published articles and booklets on how to eat food no one would usually eat, such as “Food Substitution: How to Eat Things People Normally Wouldn’t Eat.” One government booklet advised citizens to eat locusts and insect pupas.

-- Japan was running so low on fuel that the government began exploring pine-root oil as a fuel substitute for aircraft.

-- By October 1944, many new fighter pilots were being trained with films instead of live flight training in order to save fuel:

The Toho Motion Picture Company constructed a lake in Setagaya and filled it with six-foot models of U.S. warships. Atop a tower a movie camera on a boom took pictures of the vessels from various angles, simulating different speeds of approach. These films were shown as a substitute for flight training in order to save fuel. (John Toland, The Rising Sun: The Rise and Fall of the Japanese Empire 1936-1945, New York: Random House, 2003 Modern Library Paperback Edition, p. 536)​

-- Japan was running so low on metal that its military aircraft were increasingly made with larger amounts of wood. In fact, in July the government announced it had established a department to make planes out of wood.

-- Starting in early 1944 the lack of metals became so severe, due to the U.S. naval blockade, that the Japanese government was forced to start confiscating and melting bridge railings, metal fences, metal statues (even those in Buddhist temples), gate posts, notice boards, and even household items.

-- Although Japan built underground aircraft factories, raw materials were in such short supply that only 10—yes, just 10—aircraft were manufactured in those factories.

-- In March 1945, imports of crude oil, rubber, coal, and iron ore ceased.

-- By June 1945, Japan had a grand total of 9,000 planes of any kind. Most of these were trainers or old planes designed for kamikaze raids, and less than half of them were properly equipped for such raids. Many of those planes could not have been flown anyway due to the lack of fuel.

-- By early 1945, the vast majority of Japan’s merchant vessels had been destroyed.

-- By June 1945, the Japanese Navy’s surface fleet had essentially ceased to exist. The United States Strategic Bombing Survey reported,

After the liberation of the Philippines and the capture of Okinawa, oil imports into Japan were completely cut off; fuel oil stocks had been exhausted, and the few remaining Japanese warships, being without fuel, were decommissioned or were covered with camouflage and used only as antiaircraft platforms. Except for its shore-based Kamikaze air force and surface and undersea craft adapted for anti-invasion suicide attack, the Japanese Navy had ceased to exist. (p. 11)​

-- By June 1945, every major Japanese port was mined by the U.S. Navy and the Air Force. Indeed, U.S. Navy mines closed the Shimonoseki Straights, which cut off naval activity between the Japanese main islands of Honshu and Kyushu. U.S. Navy mines also shut down 18 of Japan’s 21 naval repair yards on the Inland Sea. Hiroshima’s port was shut down. Nagasaki’s port, formerly a major port, became nearly worthless.

-- By early 1945, few Japanese stores remained open because there were so few commercial goods being produced or imported.

-- As mentioned earlier, Japan was virtually defenseless against air attacks. By June 1945, the odds of a U.S. bomber being shot down in a bombing raid over Japan were 3 out of 1,000.

Given these facts, it is no surprise that there was such a strong civilian backlash against war veterans and the military in general after the war.

By June 1945, Japan posed no threat to us. The Japanese were purely on the defensive and their situation was only getting worse by the day because of our virtually total naval embargo and total control of the air. Thus, it should come as no surprise that the United States Strategic Bombing Survey concluded that “in all probability” Japan would have surrendered before 1 November 1945 even if we had not dropped nukes and even if the Soviets had not invaded:

Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated. (p. 26)​

So this nonsense that we had to use nukes to "save hundreds of thousands of lives" is gross revisionism of the basest kind. Again, weeks before Hiroshima, we knew from multiple sources that Japan's civilian leaders, including the emperor, wanted to surrender, and that their only condition was that the emperor not be deposed, which was exactly the arrangement that we later accepted--after we had nuked two cities.

 

[Unkotare]

The conditions offered were the same ones we ultimately accepted after slaughtering hundreds of thousands of civilians.

 

[elektra]

Henry Stimson, Secretary of War

http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/ps/japan/stimson_harpers.pdf

My chief purpose was to end the war in victory with the least possible cost in the lives of the men in the armies which I had helped to raise. In the light of the alternatives which, on a fair estimate, were open to us I believe that no man in our position and subject to our responsibilities, holding in his hands a weapon of such possibilities for accomplishing this purpose and saving those lives, could have failed to use it and afterwards looked his countrymen in the face.

That is obscenely absurd and revisionist. Stimson didn't even really write that article. He was pressured into "writing" it, and then his "draft" was heavily edited by others. By the time he "wrote" it, he was quite ill.

Months before we nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan was already prostrate, starving, and virtually powerless. The home islands were cut off from China. The Japanese people were approaching the point of starvation. Japan was virtually defenseless against air and naval attacks. Consider:

-- In July 1945 the Japanese government was forced to impose yet another cut in staple food rations: a cut of 10%, in fact. As a result, the food ration per person fell below 1700 calories, well below the minimum needed to maintain basic health. The United States Strategic Bombing Survey, published in 1946, noted.

Undernourishment produced a major increase in the incidence of beriberi and tuberculosis. It also had an important effect on the efficiency and morale of the people, and contributed to absenteeism among workers. (p. 21)​

-- Cases of night blindness due to malnutrition became common.

-- Japan was even running so low on rice that the government announced a program to process acorns as a substitute for rice.

-- The food shortage became so bad that the government actually published articles and booklets on how to eat food no one would usually eat, such as “Food Substitution: How to Eat Things People Normally Wouldn’t Eat.” One government booklet advised citizens to eat locusts and insect pupas.

-- Japan was running so low on fuel that the government began exploring pine-root oil as a fuel substitute for aircraft.

-- By October 1944, many new fighter pilots were being trained with films instead of live flight training in order to save fuel:

The Toho Motion Picture Company constructed a lake in Setagaya and filled it with six-foot models of U.S. warships. Atop a tower a movie camera on a boom took pictures of the vessels from various angles, simulating different speeds of approach. These films were shown as a substitute for flight training in order to save fuel. (John Toland, The Rising Sun: The Rise and Fall of the Japanese Empire 1936-1945, New York: Random House, 2003 Modern Library Paperback Edition, p. 536)​

-- Japan was running so low on metal that its military aircraft were increasingly made with larger amounts of wood. In fact, in July the government announced it had established a department to make planes out of wood.

-- Starting in early 1944 the lack of metals became so severe, due to the U.S. naval blockade, that the Japanese government was forced to start confiscating and melting bridge railings, metal fences, metal statues (even those in Buddhist temples), gate posts, notice boards, and even household items.

-- Although Japan built underground aircraft factories, raw materials were in such short supply that only 10—yes, just 10—aircraft were manufactured in those factories.

-- In March 1945, imports of crude oil, rubber, coal, and iron ore ceased.

-- By June 1945, Japan had a grand total of 9,000 planes of any kind. Most of these were trainers or old planes designed for kamikaze raids, and less than half of them were properly equipped for such raids. Many of those planes could not have been flown anyway due to the lack of fuel.

-- By early 1945, the vast majority of Japan’s merchant vessels had been destroyed.

-- By June 1945, the Japanese Navy’s surface fleet had essentially ceased to exist. The United States Strategic Bombing Survey reported,

After the liberation of the Philippines and the capture of Okinawa, oil imports into Japan were completely cut off; fuel oil stocks had been exhausted, and the few remaining Japanese warships, being without fuel, were decommissioned or were covered with camouflage and used only as antiaircraft platforms. Except for its shore-based Kamikaze air force and surface and undersea craft adapted for anti-invasion suicide attack, the Japanese Navy had ceased to exist. (p. 11)​

-- By June 1945, every major Japanese port was mined by the U.S. Navy and the Air Force. Indeed, U.S. Navy mines closed the Shimonoseki Straights, which cut off naval activity between the Japanese main islands of Honshu and Kyushu. U.S. Navy mines also shut down 18 of Japan’s 21 naval repair yards on the Inland Sea. Hiroshima’s port was shut down. Nagasaki’s port, formerly a major port, became nearly worthless.

-- By early 1945, few Japanese stores remained open because there were so few commercial goods being produced or imported.

-- As mentioned earlier, Japan was virtually defenseless against air attacks. By June 1945, the odds of a U.S. bomber being shot down in a bombing raid over Japan were 3 out of 1,000.

Given these facts, it is no surprise that there was such a strong civilian backlash against war veterans and the military in general after the war.

By June 1945, Japan posed no threat to us. The Japanese were purely on the defensive and their situation was only getting worse by the day because of our virtually total naval embargo and total control of the air. Thus, it should come as no surprise that the United States Strategic Bombing Survey concluded that “in all probability” Japan would have surrendered before 1 November 1945 even if we had not dropped nukes and even if the Soviets had not invaded:

Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated. (p. 26)​

So this nonsense that we had to use nukes to "save hundreds of thousands of lives" is gross revisionism of the basest kind. Again, weeks before Hiroshima, we knew from multiple sources that Japan's civilian leaders, including the emperor, wanted to surrender, and that their only condition was that the emperor not be deposed, which was exactly the arrangement that we later accepted--after we had nuked two cities.

Nice cut and paste. Fortunate for me, I have many books to rely on. I actually bought them cause so many people cherry picked I thought how great it would be to see the stuff in proper context.

I wonder if th here is ac mt truth in what you ssd's tate?

Japan was already beat, ssf starving Helpless? Virtually powerless?

Yet they fought the battle of Okinawa literally 2 months after you claim the Japanese were beat. By June 22nd, months after you claim the Japanese are powerless, they kill 14,000 of our men?

End of July they kill 900 sailors

Beaten, ready to surrender, but still killing thousands?

You are more than a bit wrong.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Henry Stimson, Secretary of War

http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/ps/japan/stimson_harpers.pdf

My chief purpose was to end the war in victory with the least possible cost in the lives of the men in the armies which I had helped to raise. In the light of the alternatives which, on a fair estimate, were open to us I believe that no man in our position and subject to our responsibilities, holding in his hands a weapon of such possibilities for accomplishing this purpose and saving those lives, could have failed to use it and afterwards looked his countrymen in the face.

That is obscenely absurd and revisionist. Stimson didn't even really write that article. He was pressured into "writing" it, and then his "draft" was heavily edited by others. By the time he "wrote" it, he was quite ill.

Months before we nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan was already prostrate, starving, and virtually powerless. The home islands were cut off from China. The Japanese people were approaching the point of starvation. Japan was virtually defenseless against air and naval attacks. Consider:

-- In July 1945 the Japanese government was forced to impose yet another cut in staple food rations: a cut of 10%, in fact. As a result, the food ration per person fell below 1700 calories, well below the minimum needed to maintain basic health. The United States Strategic Bombing Survey, published in 1946, noted.

Undernourishment produced a major increase in the incidence of beriberi and tuberculosis. It also had an important effect on the efficiency and morale of the people, and contributed to absenteeism among workers. (p. 21)​

-- Cases of night blindness due to malnutrition became common.

-- Japan was even running so low on rice that the government announced a program to process acorns as a substitute for rice.

-- The food shortage became so bad that the government actually published articles and booklets on how to eat food no one would usually eat, such as “Food Substitution: How to Eat Things People Normally Wouldn’t Eat.” One government booklet advised citizens to eat locusts and insect pupas.

-- Japan was running so low on fuel that the government began exploring pine-root oil as a fuel substitute for aircraft.

-- By October 1944, many new fighter pilots were being trained with films instead of live flight training in order to save fuel:

The Toho Motion Picture Company constructed a lake in Setagaya and filled it with six-foot models of U.S. warships. Atop a tower a movie camera on a boom took pictures of the vessels from various angles, simulating different speeds of approach. These films were shown as a substitute for flight training in order to save fuel. (John Toland, The Rising Sun: The Rise and Fall of the Japanese Empire 1936-1945, New York: Random House, 2003 Modern Library Paperback Edition, p. 536)​

-- Japan was running so low on metal that its military aircraft were increasingly made with larger amounts of wood. In fact, in July the government announced it had established a department to make planes out of wood.

-- Starting in early 1944 the lack of metals became so severe, due to the U.S. naval blockade, that the Japanese government was forced to start confiscating and melting bridge railings, metal fences, metal statues (even those in Buddhist temples), gate posts, notice boards, and even household items.

-- Although Japan built underground aircraft factories, raw materials were in such short supply that only 10—yes, just 10—aircraft were manufactured in those factories.

-- In March 1945, imports of crude oil, rubber, coal, and iron ore ceased.

-- By June 1945, Japan had a grand total of 9,000 planes of any kind. Most of these were trainers or old planes designed for kamikaze raids, and less than half of them were properly equipped for such raids. Many of those planes could not have been flown anyway due to the lack of fuel.

-- By early 1945, the vast majority of Japan’s merchant vessels had been destroyed.

-- By June 1945, the Japanese Navy’s surface fleet had essentially ceased to exist. The United States Strategic Bombing Survey reported,

After the liberation of the Philippines and the capture of Okinawa, oil imports into Japan were completely cut off; fuel oil stocks had been exhausted, and the few remaining Japanese warships, being without fuel, were decommissioned or were covered with camouflage and used only as antiaircraft platforms. Except for its shore-based Kamikaze air force and surface and undersea craft adapted for anti-invasion suicide attack, the Japanese Navy had ceased to exist. (p. 11)​

-- By June 1945, every major Japanese port was mined by the U.S. Navy and the Air Force. Indeed, U.S. Navy mines closed the Shimonoseki Straights, which cut off naval activity between the Japanese main islands of Honshu and Kyushu. U.S. Navy mines also shut down 18 of Japan’s 21 naval repair yards on the Inland Sea. Hiroshima’s port was shut down. Nagasaki’s port, formerly a major port, became nearly worthless.

-- By early 1945, few Japanese stores remained open because there were so few commercial goods being produced or imported.

-- As mentioned earlier, Japan was virtually defenseless against air attacks. By June 1945, the odds of a U.S. bomber being shot down in a bombing raid over Japan were 3 out of 1,000.

Given these facts, it is no surprise that there was such a strong civilian backlash against war veterans and the military in general after the war.

By June 1945, Japan posed no threat to us. The Japanese were purely on the defensive and their situation was only getting worse by the day because of our virtually total naval embargo and total control of the air. Thus, it should come as no surprise that the United States Strategic Bombing Survey concluded that “in all probability” Japan would have surrendered before 1 November 1945 even if we had not dropped nukes and even if the Soviets had not invaded:

Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated. (p. 26)​

So this nonsense that we had to use nukes to "save hundreds of thousands of lives" is gross revisionism of the basest kind. Again, weeks before Hiroshima, we knew from multiple sources that Japan's civilian leaders, including the emperor, wanted to surrender, and that their only condition was that the emperor not be deposed, which was exactly the arrangement that we later accepted--after we had nuked two cities.

Again for the slow and amazingly STUPID Japan WOULD NOT surrender. We were faced with an invasion that would probably have killed 6 million Japanese and we would have lost a million troops. Again the FACTS after 2 ATOMIC Bombs the Government oif Japan REFUSED to surrender, they REFUSED. The Emperor over rode them and order the surrender and the response from the Army was an attempted Coup to stop that from happening.

Even assuming we did not invade in November, the winter months would have killed millions of starving and freezing Japanese citizens. And the Army which ran the Government DID NOT CARE.

The only terms they offered were a ceasefire return to 41 start Lines except in China where they offered no concessions and NO disarmament, no troops in Japan and NO sacking of the Emperor.