The Number of Lives That are Saved by Guns is Never Talked About.

[Donald H]

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But this is a gun control thread with a new twist! The pro-gun side frequently complains about no discussion taking place on guns saving lives.

This is for providing that opportunity! Can they fill a whole page with valid complaints?

 

[progressive hunter]

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But this is a gun control thread with a new twist! The pro-gun side frequently complains about no discussion taking place on guns saving lives.

This is for providing that opportunity! Can they fill a whole page with valid complaints?

theres been so many discussions about this its over discussed,, its the left that acts like it never happens even if you post story after story,,

 

[M14 Shooter]

Try to keep up.

Progressive Propaganda: The 2nd Amendment Edition

As is always the case, the left has been caught in a web of lies. As is always the case, a firearm wasn’t the problem. As is always the case, it was left-wing policy that lead to the deaths of children. “It was so many things. I had three students bring knives to my classroom. One was out of the...

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[johngaltshrugged]

According to the surveys & stats, there are over 2 million defensive gun uses every year in the US.
This far outpaces the actual deaths from guns even when they include suicides to gaslight the sheeple

Unpublished CDC Study Confirms More than 2 Million Defensive Handgun Uses Annually​

An unpublished Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) study confirms Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck’s findings of more than two million defensive handgun uses (DGUs) per year.

Unpublished CDC Study Confirms More than 2 Million Defensive Handgun Uses Annually

An unpublished Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) study confirms Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck’s findings of more than two million defensive handgun uses (DGUs) per year.

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[Donald H]

According to the surveys & stats, there are over 2 million defensive gun uses every year in the US.
This far outpaces the actual deaths from guns even when they include suicides to gaslight the sheeple

Unpublished CDC Study Confirms More than 2 Million Defensive Handgun Uses Annually​

An unpublished Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) study confirms Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck’s findings of more than two million defensive handgun uses (DGUs) per year.

Unpublished CDC Study Confirms More than 2 Million Defensive Handgun Uses Annually

An unpublished Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) study confirms Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck’s findings of more than two million defensive handgun uses (DGUs) per year.

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During the Vietnam war there were hundreds of millions of lives saved, while America's guns only killed hundreds of thousands!

That's another example of your argument being valid, and the reason why this thread was so needed to make the point on guns saving lives!

 

[Donald H]

6 comments total so far and 3 of them are mine?

What the fk is that all about? Did I throw a bucket of cold water on the discussion with my previous comment on how guns saved lives?

 

[progressive hunter]

6 comments total so far and 3 of them are mine?

What the fk is that all about? Did I throw a bucket of cold water on the discussion with my previous comment on how guns saved lives?

more like we all know youre full of shit and we are waiting for the other shoe to drop,,,

that and this has been discussed so much already its just a waste of time,,

 

[Donald H]

This is a case of the empty bottles not making the loudest noise.

 

[johngaltshrugged]

During the Vietnam war there were hundreds of millions of lives saved, while America's guns only killed hundreds of thousands!

That's another example of your argument being valid, and the reason why this thread was so needed to make the point on guns saving lives!

Comparing citizens of the US protecting themselves with a firearm to an actual shooting war between countries is what is known as a false equivalency.
It's along the same lines of saying gun suicides should be counted the same as gun homicides.

Get back to me when law abiding citizens are using fighter planes, flame throwers, grenades, rocket launchers, land mines, artillery, mortars, machine guns, bombs, napalm, attack choppers & acting in a coordinated fashion under orders from a central authority.

 

[Donald H]

Comparing citizens of the US protecting themselves with a firearm to an actual shooting war between countries is what is known as a false equivalency.

Yes, I can agree with that.
But are the many mass shootings citizens protecting themselves.

It's along the same lines of saying gun suicides should be counted the same as gun homicides.

I wouldn't say exactly that. They're no more connected than the fact that the gun is the chosen method for both in many cases.

Get back to me when law abiding citizens are using fighter planes, flame throwers, grenades, rocket launchers, land mines, artillery, mortars, machine guns, bombs, napalm, attack choppers & acting in a coordinated fashion under orders from a central authority.

You've gone off john, into a gungoon's unrelated screed and I don't answer that sort of unhelpful exaggerations.

 

[2aguy]

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But this is a gun control thread with a new twist! The pro-gun side frequently complains about no discussion taking place on guns saving lives.

This is for providing that opportunity! Can they fill a whole page with valid complaints?

Here.....

Lives saved....based on research? By law abiding gun owners using guns to stop criminals?



Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct



that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—

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A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)


2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3887145

Clinton's study by the DOJ....

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users.

This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.



n the third column of Table 6.2, we apply the Kleck and Gertz (1995) criteria for "genuine" DGUs (type A), leaving us with just 19 respondents. They represent 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known Kleck and Gertz estimate of 2.5 million, shown in the last

While ours is smaller, it is staistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. to the when we include the multiple DGUs victim. defensive reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 milli

While ours is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference petrator; in most cases (69 percent), the is due to sampling error. Note that when we include the multiple DGUs reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 million DGUs.
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As shown in Table 6.6, the defender fired his or her gun in 27 percent of these incidents (combined "fire warning shots" and "fire at perpetrator" percentages, though some respondents reported firing both warning shots and airning at the perpetrator). Forty percent of these were "warning shots," and about a third were aimed at the perpetrator but missed. The perpetrator was wounded by the crime victim in eight percent of all DGUs. In nine percent of DGUs the victim captured and held the perpetrator at gunpoint until the police could arrive.

Obama's study...

Defensive Use of Guns

Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2013. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence |The National Academies Press.

Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence |The National Academies Press

 

[Donald H]

Here.....

Lives saved....based on research? By law abiding gun owners using guns to stop criminals?



Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct



that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—

You're a fanatical crazed fkng gungoon and I don't consider you relvant.

We've moved on to hearing no objections of claiming that guns aren't to blame.

 

[progressive hunter]

 

[progressive hunter]

There's no link.
But this is a gun control thread with a new twist! The pro-gun side frequently complains about no discussion taking place on guns saving lives.

This is for providing that opportunity! Can they fill a whole page with valid complaints?