The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[QuickHitCurepon]

Explain to me then why the officers in the Rodney King beating got an acquittal but were later charged for civil rights violations.

because they worked for the city government

They were charged with civil right violations because they were within inches of beating Rodney King to death when he didn't resist. Their first trial was a mockery of justice.

whatever

but that is not what asked

they got charged with using or permitting unreasonable force under "color of law"

which is different then zimmermans case

secondarily only two of the four cops had been found guilty

Yea, it's different. The part where IT is important is to show that double jeopardy is not the end-all many widely believe it is.

As now, they could have used the same double jeopardy excuse then with the officers that beat Rodney King.

We also have a black president now who is clearly sympathetic IMO to complete Justice for Trayvon. And then we have a black attorney general.

 

[Ravi]

If you have the barrel of a gun pointed at you by an attacker are actually allowed to shoot first. Thoughtful of them to allow you this freedom.

That's not what the law says, dillo. Don't tell me that you are another one that believes this law only covers people with guns.

Normally it does. Going back to Texas, in 1990 my Dad cut a dirt bag to ribbons with a fillet knife. They charged him with aggravated assault.

I don't know what the law in Texas says. I posted the Florida law and it clearly states that one may be proactively defensive.

 

[JimBowie1958]

There’s no shortage of bad prosecutors in America, but these four go above and beyond.

1. Florida State Attorney Angela Corey

The Marissa Alexander conviction prompted celebrity lawyer and legal commentator Mark Geragos to tell CNN that Angela Corey was “a menace” who needed to be disbarred and removed from office. Rev. Jesse Jackson visited the 32-year-old mother after the sentence and told the local papers, correctly, “It’s not beyond her influence,” to have sought a different charge and jail term.” And that was before the Trayvon Martin verdict, where even the New York Times explained that Corey could have filed different charges against Zimmerman with lower legal hurdles to clear to obtain a conviction.

More: 4 of America's Most Abusive Prosecutors

Wow, we agree on something. Corey put Marissa Alexander a mother in prison for defending herself with a gun that she had fired into the floor, IIRC, and the lady got like 20 years. Cant find a link right now for some reason.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Explain to me then why the officers in the Rodney King beating got an acquittal but were later charged for civil rights violations.

because they worked for the city government

They were charged with civil right violations because they were within inches of beating Rodney King to death when he didn't resist. Their first trial was a mockery of justice.

whatever

but that is not what asked

they got charged with using or permitting unreasonable force under "color of law"

which is different then zimmermans case

secondarily only two of the four cops had been found guilty

Also, there was a videotape of the Rodney King beating. So far as anyone knows, there's no tape of the Martin shooting.

 

[FireFly]

Quick? I hate to point out the painfully obvious here but the FBI looked into this case and found nothing that would make it a civil right's violation case.

The idiot is anything but Quick. He keeps rehashing shit that has been proven wrong 100's of times in these threads and at trial.

He never read witness statements, police reports or watched the trial. He is posting media talking points.

 

[jon_berzerk]

They were charged with civil right violations because they were within inches of beating Rodney King to death when he didn't resist. Their first trial was a mockery of justice.

whatever

but that is not what asked

they got charged with using or permitting unreasonable force under "color of law"

which is different then zimmermans case

secondarily only two of the four cops had been found guilty

Also, there was a videotape of the Rodney King beating. So far as anyone knows, there's no tape of the Martin shooting.

true

 

[koshergrl]

And you are going by some FBI report that was mainly about racial-profiling?

That really states FBI policy there. Damn, and I thought I had stopped laughing.

Explain to me then why the officers in the Rodney King beating got an acquittal but were later charged for civil rights violations. Just because people are too smart now not to riot doesn't mean it would always take a full-scale riot for civil rights violations to be taken just as seriously.

Explain to me then why the officers in the Rodney King beating got an acquittal but were later charged for civil rights violations.

because they worked for the city government

They were charged with civil right violations because they were within inches of beating Rodney King to death when he didn't resist. Their first trial was a mockery of justice.

That's what you yahoos always say when the system works. "Try, try again". You can't seem to internalize the fact that in this country, we have a justice system that doesn't allow progressive dipshits to keep trying people until they get the verdict they like....or barring that, just doing away with trials altogether.

 

[Snookie]

They were charged with civil right violations because they were within inches of beating Rodney King to death when he didn't resist. Their first trial was a mockery of justice.

whatever

but that is not what asked

they got charged with using or permitting unreasonable force under "color of law"

which is different then zimmermans case

secondarily only two of the four cops had been found guilty

Also, there was a videotape of the Rodney King beating. So far as anyone knows, there's no tape of the Martin shooting.

There probably was but Zimmerman's friends probably destroyed it. Most likely Tafee.

 

[Oldstyle]

If you want to debate about whether he said "coons" or not, great. I'm ready to go.

The FBI never made any reports that they were not interested in pursuing civil rights charges for Zimmerman. Making silly side remarks won't change that. Instead of trying to change the issue, why don't you act grown-up and post a link to show that the FBI is not interested in charging GZ with civil rights violations? LMAO

Quick? I hate to point out the painfully obvious here but the FBI looked into this case and found nothing that would make it a civil right's violation case. The FBI is overseen by Eric Holder. You REALLY think that if there WAS something there that was a violation of Trayvon Martin's civil rights that the FBI wouldn't have come down on Zimmerman with the full might of the Federal Government? You obviously haven't been paying attention to how things work under Holder...

And you are going by some FBI report that was mainly about racial-profiling?

That really states FBI policy there. Damn, and I thought I had stopped laughing.

Explain to me then why the officers in the Rodney King beating got an acquittal but were later charged for civil rights violations. Just because people are too smart now not to riot doesn't mean it would always take a full-scale riot for civil rights violations to be taken just as seriously.

The officers in the Rodney King beating were convicted of violating King's civil rights because they viciously beat him and the LAPD had an obvious history of civil rights violations. How are these two cases even REMOTELY alike? Rodney King never hit one of the cops...Trayvon Martin beat the shit out of George Zimmerman...a man who had an obvious history of HELPING blacks. If people really were "smart" about this they would understand that this never was a Rodney King type event and never will be.

 

[testarosa]

There’s no shortage of bad prosecutors in America, but these four go above and beyond.

1. Florida State Attorney Angela Corey

The Marissa Alexander conviction prompted celebrity lawyer and legal commentator Mark Geragos to tell CNN that Angela Corey was “a menace” who needed to be disbarred and removed from office. Rev. Jesse Jackson visited the 32-year-old mother after the sentence and told the local papers, correctly, “It’s not beyond her influence,” to have sought a different charge and jail term.” And that was before the Trayvon Martin verdict, where even the New York Times explained that Corey could have filed different charges against Zimmerman with lower legal hurdles to clear to obtain a conviction.

More: 4 of America's Most Abusive Prosecutors

This is the real story of the Marissa Alexander case. pRick Scott would probably have commuted her but now this is twisted and representing the Z case and he'll probably let her rot in there. This is not self defense this is minimum sentencing. She was offered 3 years and turned it down. She's is not an angelic participant in this case.

A closer examination of the facts in Marissa Alexander’s case, however, reveals why a judge rejected Alexander’s pre-trial “Stand Your Ground” defense — a specific defense under Florida law that George Zimmerman never asserted — and why a jury eventually convicted her on multiple charges, resulting in a mandatory prison sentence of at least 20 years. If Alexander’s case suggests a failure of the legal system to mete out appropriate justice, then the problem lies with Florida’s mandatory minimum sentencing requirements, not with the state’s self-defense laws.

After only 12 minutes of deliberation, a jury convicted Alexander on all three counts of aggravated assault.

FACTS OF THE ALEXANDER CASE

According to court documents, on July 31, 2010, Alexander left her newborn child in the hospital days after giving birth to visit the home of Rico Gray, her husband. Although Gray and Alexander had just been married in May of 2010, Alexander had not lived in Gray’s home for the two months prior to the shooting. When Alexander arrived at the home, Gray was not there. She parked her car in the garage, spent the night in the home, but did not see Gray until he returned home the next morning with his two sons.

When Gray returned, the family ate breakfast together without incident. The trouble began when Alexander gave her phone to Gray so he could see pictures of their newborn, who was still in the hospital. After giving the phone to Gray, Alexander went to use the bathroom in the home’s master bedroom. While looking at the pictures, Gray noticed text messages between Alexander and her ex-husband, Lincoln Alexander, which prompted Gray to confront Alexander about whether the baby was his or Lincoln Alexander’s.

An argument then ensued between Gray and Alexander, and Gray initially prevented Alexander from leaving the bathroom during the altercation. Alexander eventually managed to get around Gray to exit the bathroom.

Alexander’s actions following that moment are what differentiate her case from that of George Zimmerman.

After Alexander exited the bathroom and re-entered the master bedroom, Gray left the bedroom and headed to the living room where his sons were located. At that point, Alexander left the master bedroom, passing Gray, his two children, and the unobstructed front and back doors of the house on her way to the garage. Once in the garage, she retrieved a handgun from her vehicle’s glove box and then went back into the kitchen, where she “pointed it in the direction of all three [v]ictims.” Although Gray put his hands in the air, Alexander fired the gun, “nearly missing [Gray's] head” and sending a bullet “through the kitchen wall and into the ceiling in the living room.”

Gray and his sons fled the home and immediately called 911. Alexander stayed in the home and never called 911.

Many of Alexander’s defenders correctly note that Gray had a long history of abusing Alexander and multiple other women. He had previously been charged with domestic battery on at least three separate occasions, including charges in 1994, 2006, and 2009. The 2009 incident against Alexander sent her to the hospital with head injuries after he shoved her into a bathtub.

Gray later admitted to lying in his deposition to protect Alexander.

“Gray said he lied during his deposition after conspiring with his wife in an effort to protect her,” CNN wrote in 2012 after Alexander was convicted and sentenced to 20 years in prison. “At the hearing [on Alexander's motion for a retrial], [Gray] denied threatening to kill his wife, adding, ‘I begged and pleaded for my life when she had the gun.’”

ALEXANDER’S DOMESTIC BATTERY ARREST MONTHS AFTER THE SHOOTING

Further complicating matters for Alexander, she was arrested for domestic battery against Gray on December 30, 2010, while she was out on bail and still awaiting trial on the aggravated assault charges stemming from the August incident.

“The victim [Gray] stated that his estranged wife [Alexander] had come to his residence to drop off their child,” the incident report prepared by the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office noted. “[Gray] stated that an argument ensued when he would not allow her to stay overnight at his residence.” The police report noted that Gray’s left eye appeared swollen and bloodied. Alexander fled the scene before police arrived.

When the responding officer met with Alexander approximately an hour after the incident, she initially claimed that “she did not know what this was about and that she had an alibi.” Throughout the course of her conversation with the officer, Alexander changed her story and eventually claimed that while she had been at Gray’s house, he had attacked her first with his fists after she wouldn’t stay for the night. The officer wrote that Alexander had “no visible injuries.”

Alexander was arrested and bond was revoked on her prior charges of aggravated assault against Gray and his children. She entered a plea of no contest to the domestic battery charges on March 27, 2012.

No, Marissa Alexander is Not a "Reverse Trayvon Martin" in Florida

 

[paulitician]

Maybe the MSM should start referring to the President as a 'White-African American?' Maybe it would have the opposite effect their 'White-Hispanic' Zimmerman label has? It could bring the races closer together. Who knows?

 

[Oldstyle]

whatever

but that is not what asked

they got charged with using or permitting unreasonable force under "color of law"

which is different then zimmermans case

secondarily only two of the four cops had been found guilty

Also, there was a videotape of the Rodney King beating. So far as anyone knows, there's no tape of the Martin shooting.

There probably was but Zimmerman's friends probably destroyed it. Most likely Tafee.

When the Police were doing their initial interview with George Zimmerman, Detective Serino tried to bluff Zimmerman by telling him that there WAS a video tape of the entire incident. What was Zimmerman's response? "Thank God!" He was relieved that there was going to be something to back up his story. That's most likely when Serino started to believe that George Zimmerman WAS telling him the truth.

 

[testarosa]

Also, there was a videotape of the Rodney King beating. So far as anyone knows, there's no tape of the Martin shooting.

There probably was but Zimmerman's friends probably destroyed it. Most likely Tafee.

When the Police were doing their initial interview with George Zimmerman, Detective Serino tried to bluff Zimmerman by telling him that there WAS a video tape of the entire incident. What was Zimmerman's response? "Thank God!" He was relieved that there was going to be something to back up his story. That's most likely when Serino started to believe that George Zimmerman WAS telling him the truth.

That's what happens when you watch the trial and the testimony and the evidence... you know the facts and don't just blow smoke out your butt all over the forum.

 

[paulitician]

Racism and violence are on the rapid rise amongst African Americans. I know it's not politically correct to state that, but it is the reality. The stats are there for anyone who's interested. Black on White violent crime is at an all-time high, while White on Black violent crime is almost nonexistent. It's time to start having an honest & open discussion about it. The African American community needs to begin seriously & honestly addressing their own problems from within. Nothing can get better until they do that.

 

[Oldstyle]

There probably was but Zimmerman's friends probably destroyed it. Most likely Tafee.

When the Police were doing their initial interview with George Zimmerman, Detective Serino tried to bluff Zimmerman by telling him that there WAS a video tape of the entire incident. What was Zimmerman's response? "Thank God!" He was relieved that there was going to be something to back up his story. That's most likely when Serino started to believe that George Zimmerman WAS telling him the truth.

That's what happens when you watch the trial and the testimony and the evidence... you know the facts and don't just blow smoke out your butt all over the forum.

The Police deal with these types of situations all the time...they ask questions that they already know the answers to...they repeat the same questions at different times to see if the response they get differs. People that attempt to lie...especially under stress...have a hard time staying consistent in their statements. It's the old "give them enough rope and see if they'll hang themselves" theory. You can see it taking place throughout the interviews that Zimmerman gave to officers at the scene...later on at the Police station...and later on during his walk through of the scene with detectives. The fact is...George Zimmerman didn't lawyer up and refuse to answer questions...he answered them over and over and over again...and the basic facts of his story didn't change. THAT is why the Police believed him. THAT is why Chris Serino believed him.

 

[Foxfyre]

Maybe the MSM should start referring to the President as a 'White-African American?' Maybe it would have the opposite effect their 'White-Hispanic' Zimmerman label has? It could bring the races closer together. Who knows?

Frankly I am bored with retrying the George Zimmerman case, but I I acknowledge that many of my fellow USMB members enjoy retrying the case over and over and over again. Some no doubt hope they can change the outcome. Some perhaps are justifying further persecution of George Zimmerman.

But the bottom line is that a jury of his peers declared George Zimmerman not guilty of murder and manslaughter and if we believe in individual liberty at all, that must end it. For the federal government to now go on a fishing expedition to charge Zimmerman with civil rights/hate crimes violations is an illegal and reprehensible violation of HIS civil rights and should be condemned by us all.

And it also continues to fan the flames of racism in this country.

 

[Kondor3]

Racism and violence are on the rapid rise amongst African Americans. I know it's not politically correct to state that, but it is the reality. The stats are there for anyone who's interested. Black on White violent crime is at an all-time high, while White on Black violent crime is almost nonexistent. It's time to start having an honest & open discussion about it. The African American community needs to begin seriously & honestly addressing their own problems from within. Nothing can get better until they do that.

But that would mean that American Blacks must start blaming themselves rather than White Folk, and we can't have that...

Jackson and Sharpton and their fellow-travelers would lose their relevancy...

The NEXT generation of Black American leadership will hopefully carry a different message and a firm resolve to work to better things without playing the Race Card or the Blame Game every 10 seconds...

But I suspect we'll have to wait until the last of the junior-leadership from the old 1960s Civil Rights movement dies-off, which shouldn't be long now...

 

[IlarMeilyr]

After 'Justice for Trayvon' rallies, protesters defend Zimmerman - latimes.com

Good.

 

[testarosa]

When the Police were doing their initial interview with George Zimmerman, Detective Serino tried to bluff Zimmerman by telling him that there WAS a video tape of the entire incident. What was Zimmerman's response? "Thank God!" He was relieved that there was going to be something to back up his story. That's most likely when Serino started to believe that George Zimmerman WAS telling him the truth.

That's what happens when you watch the trial and the testimony and the evidence... you know the facts and don't just blow smoke out your butt all over the forum.

The Police deal with these types of situations all the time...they ask questions that they already know the answers to...they repeat the same questions at different times to see if the response they get differs. People that attempt to lie...especially under stress...have a hard time staying consistent in their statements. It's the old "give them enough rope and see if they'll hang themselves" theory. You can see it taking place throughout the interviews that Zimmerman gave to officers at the scene...later on at the Police station...and later on during his walk through of the scene with detectives. The fact is...George Zimmerman didn't lawyer up and refuse to answer questions...he answered them over and over and over again...and the basic facts of his story didn't change. THAT is why the Police believed him. THAT is why Chris Serino believed him.

And his testimony to it was quite believable itself. It was a rather large prosecution nail.

It is what it is with this case. Or should I say it is what the police investigation originally said it was. So a year and all the fuss later...

 

[PixieStix]

I have a headache