The One Question No One So Far Can Answer

[bripat9643]

I've posed this hypothetical question to a couple of members and so far no one seems up to the task of providing an answer. So now I'm posing it the whole board.

Ok, here's a hypothetical scenario. Let's say a Trump associate spoke to a Russian representative. The Russian told him we have some really bad shit on the hildabitch and the representative said wow, it would sure help us if you released it on Tuesday and they did exactly that.

Tell me, what specific law would have been broken? Don't give me an opinion, quote the law.

Any takers?

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Conspiracy

Really? What exactly did the conspire to do?

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That is what the investigations are all about. You asked what laws may have been broken. Change your hypothetical scenario to include other meetings where the Russians may have mentioned some kind of cooperation with a trump administration with sanctions. If the trump administration or campaign official showed a willingness to cooperate and a later representative met with the Russians and got an offer or suggestion that illegally obtained emails would be leaked, that would be a conspiracy to obtain or have use of illegally obtained espionage products, hence, a criminal conspiracy. I am not trying to argue the merits of the case, rather, answering your original question about what law may have been violated.

We aren't talking about "hypotheticals." We are talking about facts. You're admitting you have none. That's the story of this entire hoax: no facts, just accusations and "hypotheticals."

 

[Ame®icano]

What law was broken?
Good question!
And guess what, we're going to find out because the FBI is independent and career prosecutors will not be deterred, slowed maybe by Trumps obvious attempt to obstruct justice, but the truth will eventually come out.
Then Trumps Chumps will have to decide whether it country before party.
For the sake of democracy let's hope they choose the former.

What exactly is that "Trump's obvious attempt to obstruct the justice"?

 

[bripat9643]

I've posed this hypothetical question to a couple of members and so far no one seems up to the task of providing an answer. So now I'm posing it the whole board.

Ok, here's a hypothetical scenario. Let's say a Trump associate spoke to a Russian representative. The Russian told him we have some really bad shit on the hildabitch and the representative said wow, it would sure help us if you released it on Tuesday and they did exactly that.

Tell me, what specific law would have been broken? Don't give me an opinion, quote the law.

Any takers?

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In your scenario, probably no law is being broken. If they were complicit in spreading false Informstion to influence an election then they are probably flirting with treason. If they told the Russians not to react to sanctions because the new administration will be more forgiving then I'm guessing that's a violation... not sure which exact law it's breaking though. Perhaps treason as well. Undermining our government

Spreading false information in an election is treason?
Tell us again about Romney never pays taxes.

Every time Dims open their mouths they are spreading false information. Throw them in prison and throw away the key?

Funny chit coming from an asshole that voted for Trump.

What was his truth rating during the campaign?

His truth rating was 10 times better than any Dim running for office.

 

[task0778]

I've posed this hypothetical question to a couple of members and so far no one seems up to the task of providing an answer. So now I'm posing it the whole board.

Ok, here's a hypothetical scenario. Let's say a Trump associate spoke to a Russian representative. The Russian told him we have some really bad shit on the hildabitch and the representative said wow, it would sure help us if you released it on Tuesday and they did exactly that.

Tell me, what specific law would have been broken? Don't give me an opinion, quote the law.

Any takers?

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In your scenario, probably no law is being broken. If they were complicit in spreading false Informstion to influence an election then they are probably flirting with treason. If they told the Russians not to react to sanctions because the new administration will be more forgiving then I'm guessing that's a violation... not sure which exact law it's breaking though. Perhaps treason as well. Undermining our government

Spreading false information in an election is treason?
Tell us again about Romney never pays taxes.

Every time Dims open their mouths they are spreading false information. Throw them in prison and throw away the key?

Funny chit coming from an asshole that voted for Trump.

What was his truth rating during the campaign?

Not as bad as Clinton's, every time she opened her mouth she was lying.

 

[RealDave]

I've posed this hypothetical question to a couple of members and so far no one seems up to the task of providing an answer. So now I'm posing it the whole board.

Ok, here's a hypothetical scenario. Let's say a Trump associate spoke to a Russian representative. The Russian told him we have some really bad shit on the hildabitch and the representative said wow, it would sure help us if you released it on Tuesday and they did exactly that.

Tell me, what specific law would have been broken? Don't give me an opinion, quote the law.

Any takers?

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Seeing as nothing crazy was released in said emails Hillary's evilness is obviously not the motive. The more likely motive is that Putin wanted someone in office who would get rid of Obama placed sanctions because it hurt their economy immensely. Putin wanted an easily manipulated puppet in our WH, which he clearly found in Trump.

US defines treason as levying war against our nation or providing aid and comfort to any enemy.

The answer is treason. Donnie should rot in jail like the traitor he is.

Since we are not at war with Russia, nor is it a declared enemy of the United States, how does any of this constitute treason??

I get it. If I sell government documents to Iran, it is not treason.

 

[OKTexas]

I've posed this hypothetical question to a couple of members and so far no one seems up to the task of providing an answer. So now I'm posing it the whole board.

Ok, here's a hypothetical scenario. Let's say a Trump associate spoke to a Russian representative. The Russian told him we have some really bad shit on the hildabitch and the representative said wow, it would sure help us if you released it on Tuesday and they did exactly that.

Tell me, what specific law would have been broken? Don't give me an opinion, quote the law.

Any takers?

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So, you have no problem if a campaign welcomes foreign interference in an election instead of standing up for our democracy.

You must be a Trumpette.

I asked a specific legal question, if you don't want to address it move on.

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I answered it. They knew our country was under cyber attack, & yet said nothing.

I am sure that you think that is a good thing.

Criminal: "I broke into your neighbor's house & stole all this money. I'll buy you a new car."

OKdumbass texas: "Cool"

1. Who is this "they"?
2. I think everyone in the country already knew this country was and is currently under cyber attack, it's only been in the news for years.
3. Even you most ridiculous is false, I like my neighbors. But get back to me when you lose you situational outrage, you seem to have no problem with people using illegally obtained or leaked information about your opponents.

That said if you can come up with a law the Trump associate in my scenario broke I'd be happy to hear it.

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[bripat9643]

I've posed this hypothetical question to a couple of members and so far no one seems up to the task of providing an answer. So now I'm posing it the whole board.

Ok, here's a hypothetical scenario. Let's say a Trump associate spoke to a Russian representative. The Russian told him we have some really bad shit on the hildabitch and the representative said wow, it would sure help us if you released it on Tuesday and they did exactly that.

Tell me, what specific law would have been broken? Don't give me an opinion, quote the law.

Any takers?

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There probably is none Just the stink will remain on Republican politics forever And jfmi How loud will you howl if the shoe is on the other foot some day??

So you're saying no laws were broken, thanks.

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Hey I'm not a lawyer That's just my opinion But again imo it would make republicans look like shitheads Even worse than whats thought of them today

What would make them "look like shitheads," one of your totally unsubstantiated "hypotheticals?"

 

[Slade3200]

Interesting question, and outside of saying "there has to be SOME kind of law being broken", I definitely don't know. So let's try this from the opposite angle:

What if Hillary had won, and all the same accusations were made about her campaign and China?

Certainly the GOP would be all over it, but what would be their reason?
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The GOP would be all over it. The MSM would take Hillary's side and call it a witch hunt. There would be hearing until it is called old news. It would simply be part of the right wing conspiracy against the Clintons.

If Hillary won there would be hearing after hearing going after her for the email server and Clinton foundation accusations

And the MSM would take her side....not investigate. Clinton and the MSN would pronounce it an old story and move on.

Probably, just as the conservative media would cover it 24/7, just like Benghazi. We live in a grossly partisan and divided country and it is polluting our political system.

You mean one cable network would cover it? Yeah, that is exactly equivalent!

You mean the biggest news media cable network in our country? Yeah that one

 

[RealDave]

I've posed this hypothetical question to a couple of members and so far no one seems up to the task of providing an answer. So now I'm posing it the whole board.

Ok, here's a hypothetical scenario. Let's say a Trump associate spoke to a Russian representative. The Russian told him we have some really bad shit on the hildabitch and the representative said wow, it would sure help us if you released it on Tuesday and they did exactly that.

Tell me, what specific law would have been broken? Don't give me an opinion, quote the law.

Any takers?

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So, you have no problem if a campaign welcomes foreign interference in an election instead of standing up for our democracy.

You must be a Trumpette.

I asked a specific legal question, if you don't want to address it move on.

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I answered it. They knew our country was under cyber attack, & yet said nothing.

I am sure that you think that is a good thing.

Criminal: "I broke into your neighbor's house & stole all this money. I'll buy you a new car."

OKdumbass texas: "Cool"

1. Who is this "they"?
2. I think everyone in the country already knew this country was and is currently under cyber attack, it's only been in the news for years.
3. Even you most ridiculous is false, I like my neighbors. But get back to me when you lose you situational outrage, you seem to have no problem with people using illegally obtained or leaked information about your opponents.

That said if you can come up with a law the Trump associate in my scenario broke I'd be happy to hear it.

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1) Go back & read your initial post dumbass.
2) In your example, the Campaign person was told.
3) My example is exactly what happened in your hypothetical story.

Go back & read it. Are you sofa king stupid thart you forgot you wrote it?

Knowing a crime happened & it was to your favor & you say nothing, you are an accessory after the fact.

 

[CowboyTed]

I've posed this hypothetical question to a couple of members and so far no one seems up to the task of providing an answer. So now I'm posing it the whole board.

Ok, here's a hypothetical scenario. Let's say a Trump associate spoke to a Russian representative. The Russian told him we have some really bad shit on the hildabitch and the representative said wow, it would sure help us if you released it on Tuesday and they did exactly that.

Tell me, what specific law would have been broken? Don't give me an opinion, quote the law.

Any takers?

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The Information was obtained by breaking the law by hacking the DNC servers...

To then use that to gain advantage is collusion with that crime.

The servers weren't hacked.

You can't even prove that.

And there is no law against publishing or republishing information put on the Internet.

Who has the DNC filed charges against?

Anyone?

All they have is the early launch of their 2018 campaign based on ONE PLANK.

An unprovable and outlandish story of Russian Collusion already shot down by the NSA, FBI, CIA, NIS, & Treasury Department. There is NO EVIDENCE.

All the DNC has are flimsy accusations and some Dead DNC staffers who imo, were the Leakers.

Podesta's password was password.

Go sit on a sharp spike.

It'd be more entertaining to watch than to daily see Lefty Melt here every day over his failed plots to overthrow and subvert Democracy.

I don't have to prove it... The FBI are investigaing a possible crime and it is there findings and recommendations which we will see in due course...

The question which I would ask, If Trump is innocent why not have a fully independent investigation and special prosecutor, This could exonorate Trump quickly (if innocent) and he can get on with his work... So far Trump's Admin have behaved like they are hiding stuff and they are making themselves look guilty...

 

[RealDave]

I've posed this hypothetical question to a couple of members and so far no one seems up to the task of providing an answer. So now I'm posing it the whole board.

Ok, here's a hypothetical scenario. Let's say a Trump associate spoke to a Russian representative. The Russian told him we have some really bad shit on the hildabitch and the representative said wow, it would sure help us if you released it on Tuesday and they did exactly that.

Tell me, what specific law would have been broken? Don't give me an opinion, quote the law.

Any takers?

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There probably is none Just the stink will remain on Republican politics forever And jfmi How loud will you howl if the shoe is on the other foot some day??

So you're saying no laws were broken, thanks.

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Hey I'm not a lawyer That's just my opinion But again imo it would make republicans look like shitheads Even worse than whats thought of them today

What would make them "look like shitheads," one of your totally unsubstantiated "hypotheticals?"

You would defend Trump if he raped a 13 year old girl. Oh wait........

 

[Slade3200]

I've posed this hypothetical question to a couple of members and so far no one seems up to the task of providing an answer. So now I'm posing it the whole board.

Ok, here's a hypothetical scenario. Let's say a Trump associate spoke to a Russian representative. The Russian told him we have some really bad shit on the hildabitch and the representative said wow, it would sure help us if you released it on Tuesday and they did exactly that.

Tell me, what specific law would have been broken? Don't give me an opinion, quote the law.

Any takers?

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In your scenario, probably no law is being broken. If they were complicit in spreading false Informstion to influence an election then they are probably flirting with treason. If they told the Russians not to react to sanctions because the new administration will be more forgiving then I'm guessing that's a violation... not sure which exact law it's breaking though. Perhaps treason as well. Undermining our government

If spreading false in formation to win an election was a crimes, then every Democrat in the country would be in prison.

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Dems and Reps that spread false information while campaigning should be held accountable. This situation involved more extreme measures that do break laws like hacking and the theft of private information. Also goes into trolling and the spreading of false news Stories

"Spreading false information" is what we call "freedom of speech." If it was a crime, then all Dims would be in prison.

There are constraints to our freedom of speech in case you didn't get the memo. Libel, slander, and how the information is gathered all pose potential illegal activity

 

[Rexx Taylor]

what about all of those calls between Trump staff and Russian people? why is it taking so long to find the records?

 

[bripat9643]

so? what would you do to the Russian guy? tell us please.

Not much you can do to the Russian guy/guys.

You can impanel grand jurie(s) to compel the under oath testimonies of Stone, Flynn, Bannon, the President, the VP, etc and as we saw with Whitewater, it can go ANYWHERE from there. Those who don’t testify can be held in contempt with any punitive action taken as a result. As I recall, jail time is usually a remedy for that.

You can also subpoena the hacker(s). I doubt they’d show up. But it would be fun to monitor their bank accounts (they’d be fools to get paid in rubles) and watch them swell and trace that money back to Washington, New York or Mura Lago….

“What did the President know and when did he know it…..”

why do you need to impanel a grand jury exactly. what you got?

At least 4 people with ties to the campaign or the President himself had high level contacts with Russian that they lied about/didn’t disclose fully.

The AG had to correct his testimony when he wasn’t honest.
Michael Flynn had to resign when he lied about the nature of his contact
Paul Manafort had to resign due to his ties to the Russian Government
Roger Stone has interactions with a Hacker (aka criminal) who is credited with hacking the President’s political opponents; knew about a yet-to-be-released hack 6 weeks in advance.

Your move.

so why no grand jury? indictments? if you have all of this? what do you think it actually means? what do you think happened? come on dude, post something of significance that backs your fking claim.

Time will tell. The investigation continues and from the actions of Trump and the cartoonish temperament of his worshipers like yourself….the noose seems to be getting tighter.

If there is a Grand Jury empaneled…it can go anywhere; we’re talking Trump U, his tax records, all of the shady dealings.

 

[edward37]

what about all of those calls between Trump staff and Russian people? why is it taking so long to find the records?

Pretty soon rex the hammer will drop and crush the orange rectum

 

[OKTexas]

I've posed this hypothetical question to a couple of members and so far no one seems up to the task of providing an answer. So now I'm posing it the whole board.

Ok, here's a hypothetical scenario. Let's say a Trump associate spoke to a Russian representative. The Russian told him we have some really bad shit on the hildabitch and the representative said wow, it would sure help us if you released it on Tuesday and they did exactly that.

Tell me, what specific law would have been broken? Don't give me an opinion, quote the law.

Any takers?

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Would the answer be different if it was Bernie Sanders who phished Podesta?

Why would Sanders give it to Wikileas or Gufficer? But if you could prove he did, he would be in a heap of trouble just as the Russians are if we can get our hands on them.

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[bripat9643]

I've posed this hypothetical question to a couple of members and so far no one seems up to the task of providing an answer. So now I'm posing it the whole board.

Ok, here's a hypothetical scenario. Let's say a Trump associate spoke to a Russian representative. The Russian told him we have some really bad shit on the hildabitch and the representative said wow, it would sure help us if you released it on Tuesday and they did exactly that.

Tell me, what specific law would have been broken? Don't give me an opinion, quote the law.

Any takers?

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In your scenario, probably no law is being broken. If they were complicit in spreading false Informstion to influence an election then they are probably flirting with treason. If they told the Russians not to react to sanctions because the new administration will be more forgiving then I'm guessing that's a violation... not sure which exact law it's breaking though. Perhaps treason as well. Undermining our government

If spreading false in formation to win an election was a crimes, then every Democrat in the country would be in prison.

Sent from my SM-G935P using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

Dems and Reps that spread false information while campaigning should be held accountable. This situation involved more extreme measures that do break laws like hacking and the theft of private information. Also goes into trolling and the spreading of false news Stories

"Spreading false information" is what we call "freedom of speech." If it was a crime, then all Dims would be in prison.

There are constraints to our freedom of speech in case you didn't get the memo. Libel, slander, and how the information is gathered all pose potential illegal activity

"Spreading false information" isn't one of those limitations, and only a Stalinist would think it was.

 

[bripat9643]

I'm trying to keep this thread focused on legality, morality can be discussed another time. But that said, remind us again who's techniques your dear leader taught and the hildabitch wrote her senior thesis on.

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So yet again, the defense of Trump boils down to “others did it too”; i.e. Trump is no different than Clinton, Obama, Bush … Are you ready to sacrifice the BS that he is “different” because as soon as anyone questions your messiah, the rationalization is crying about Obama (which is in bounds I guess) but Clinton hasn’t been in office in nearly 2 decades. Time to turn the page.

If you’re trying to keep the thread focused on legality; why does one of the President’s top advisors keep tabs on Guccifer 2.0 (a Russian Hacker)? How does one of the President’s Men (to introduce the Nixonian parlance because that seems to be where we’re going) know six months ahead of the fact that John Podesta is going to be hacked?

Hacking a computer is illegal.

Child, you're the one that brought up the ends justifies the means mantra, that was the whole premise behind Alinsky's teaching, a premise revered by your dear leader and the hildabitch.

Now can you get back to the topic of legality?

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If you’re trying to keep the thread focused on legality; why does one of the President’s top advisors keep tabs on Guccifer 2.0 (a Russian Hacker)? How does one of the President’s Men (to introduce the Nixonian parlance because that seems to be where we’re going) know six months ahead of the fact that John Podesta is going to be hacked?

Hacking a computer is illegal

Podesta wasn't hacked, he fell for a phishing scam and provided his password.

WASHINGTON, Oct. 20 (UPI) -- John Podesta, Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, had his email hacked by Russian operatives, security researchers confirmed Thursday.

Podesta's Gmail account was hacked using a fake login page with a URL associated with the hacker persona Fancy Bear, which has been tied to Russian interests. The connection was first reported by Motherboard. Politico reported it had also confirmed with a cybersecurity firm the connection between Podesta's hacked account and Fancy Bear.

U.S. intelligence officials have said Fancy Bear was behind the months-long effort to hack the Democratic National Committee and other Democratic groups. Clinton charged in Wednesday's debate that Russia was hacking Democrats exclusively in a bid to help sway the election.

Fancy Bear was also behind the hack of former Secretary of State Colin Powell's email.

Podesta's email was hacked using what's known as a spear-phishing technique. Podesta was sent a fake bit.ly link that redirected him to a site built to look exactly like his usual Gmail login, but that instead enabled the hackers to get his password and recode his email to allow them access.

The same bit.ly URL was used in all the hacking attempts of the the DNC, Powell and other Democrats.

John Podesta Wasn't 'Hacked,' He Fell For An Email Phishing Scam

Hacking is a crime, idiot.

Which Trump campaign member is guilty of hacking?

 

[bripat9643]

I've posed this hypothetical question to a couple of members and so far no one seems up to the task of providing an answer. So now I'm posing it the whole board.

Ok, here's a hypothetical scenario. Let's say a Trump associate spoke to a Russian representative. The Russian told him we have some really bad shit on the hildabitch and the representative said wow, it would sure help us if you released it on Tuesday and they did exactly that.

Tell me, what specific law would have been broken? Don't give me an opinion, quote the law.

Any takers?

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The Information was obtained by breaking the law by hacking the DNC servers...

To then use that to gain advantage is collusion with that crime.

So the ruskies would be breaking the law, yes, but how would the Trump team?

Well, Roger Stone knew full well that John Podesta was going to be hacked six weeks before Guccifer released the e-mails. It may not have broken any laws…but is that really the standard you want for your President…someone who knowingly works with criminals (Hacking is a crime) to injure your political opponent?

That's another Dim lie.

 

[bripat9643]

why do you need to impanel a grand jury exactly. what you got?

At least 4 people with ties to the campaign or the President himself had high level contacts with Russian that they lied about/didn’t disclose fully.

The AG had to correct his testimony when he wasn’t honest.
Michael Flynn had to resign when he lied about the nature of his contact
Paul Manafort had to resign due to his ties to the Russian Government
Roger Stone has interactions with a Hacker (aka criminal) who is credited with hacking the President’s political opponents; knew about a yet-to-be-released hack 6 weeks in advance.

Your move.

so why no grand jury? indictments? if you have all of this? what do you think it actually means? what do you think happened? come on dude, post something of significance that backs your fking claim.

Time will tell. The investigation continues and from the actions of Trump and the cartoonish temperament of his worshipers like yourself….the noose seems to be getting tighter.

If there is a Grand Jury empaneled…it can go anywhere; we’re talking Trump U, his tax records, all of the shady dealings.

well we do know a broken clock is right two times a day. and that's about it. so good luck with waiting. I'm not. I've moved on. as has the president.

Time will tell…